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(WTSP)   The girl who was going to go to jail for felony science after blowing up a soda bottle with household products on school grounds will now not go to jail, thanks to Farkers and the rest of the internets   (wtsp.com) divider line 145
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2013-05-15 07:03:08 PM

HeartBurnKid: ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?

The best kind.


Not so much.  They do it if where other people aren't around and at less populated places.  Only careless morons do their little tests around unsuspecting people at populated places.
 
2013-05-15 07:03:15 PM

SilentStrider: Good.


Except that she still has to attend an idiotic course and her school is still in deliberation whether to let her come back.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that she won't have to suffer the absolute worst consequences, but there are still a couple dozen authorities here who need to be kept as far away from developing minds as we can, and our zero-tolerance system is still screwing kids over.
 
2013-05-15 07:05:40 PM

nipner: It's just sad that now kids can't be kids anymore.  I'm in my mid thirties, and would now end up in Guantanamo for some of the stupid crap I did.  Soda bottle bombs, egging cars, toilet papering houses, stealing signs.....

/nothing with permanent damage
//harmless clean fun and foolery


Quantum Apostrophe: Are Americans typically so afraid of everything that a vinegar and baking soda volcano will make them wet their pants?


I know we're on Fark, where we're not really interested in facts, just dogpiling on the latest Internet cause célèbre of the day, but let's be clear here.

This was not "harmless clean fun" with no permanent damage. It was most definitely not a vinegar and baking soda volcano.

This was drain cleaner and aluminum in a sealed container, something widely described on the YouTube videos she copied it from as a "bomb", and something which has the potential for causing a significant injury not just to herself, but to anybody else nearby.

A suspension was unquestionably called for. More wasn't, unless they have incontrovertible proof she actually intended harm to somebody.
 
2013-05-15 07:06:45 PM

ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?


The ones who may be a bit reckless but aren't afraid to experiment in order to learn. I'm almost 30 now and I get paid to do things just to see what happens. But with robots instead of chemicals.
 
2013-05-15 07:09:15 PM

YodaBlues: In Chrome: Settings --->Advanced --->Content Settings --->Plugins --> Select 'Click to play'


I can't thank you enough without abusing font size and color.
 
2013-05-15 07:09:24 PM

pedrop357: Don't do science experiments anywhere you wouldn't rub one out


She did it at school. Wait, did I say that out loud?
 
2013-05-15 07:09:45 PM
Juvenile diversion program, so in other words, it gets factored in to sentencing if she were to get caught at a college party drinking or something.  They'll find a way to keep her in the system, guaranteed.
 
2013-05-15 07:11:56 PM
You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!  10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.
 
2013-05-15 07:14:42 PM

Kome: ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?

The ones who may be a bit reckless but aren't afraid to experiment in order to learn. I'm almost 30 now and I get paid to do things just to see what happens. But with robots instead of chemicals.


Come on, man!  Doing it in your own backyard or the local woods is one thing---but AT FARKIN' SCHOOL?!  No. She shouldn't get a pass.  I mean, she SHOULD be taught a real lesson here.  Sounds like her folks aren't instilling common sense into her, either.
 
2013-05-15 07:15:26 PM
According to the news report, Kiera has a twin sister, which is sort of cool for them both, as it makes Kiera the evil twin.

Good for her and her whole family.
 
2013-05-15 07:16:37 PM

ongbok: Still will probably fark up her future.

There was a story here a little while ago about a woman who got her nursing degree but was refused a nursing license in Illinois because when she was 13 she got into an argument at school and the police were called and they arrested her. She was released to her parents and no charges were ever brought against her because she all she did was argue with a teacher, but that arrest prevented her from getting a nursing licensee.


There was another story about a guy that throughout school didn't do so hot in some courses but excelled in others. He also disagreed with the way things were being taught and would often not show up for classes. This led to discord between himself and his teachers, so much so they would not provide letters of recommendation after he graduated as well as telling him he would never amount to anything.
Because of this he ended up working menial jobs here and there and finally settling on a civil service job. A far cry from what he studied for.
While there he discovered the Theory of Relativity and won the Nobel Prize for his paper on the Photoelectric Effect.

/just sayin'
 
2013-05-15 07:18:23 PM

pedrop357: BUT, it wasn't some benign reaction, one of the key ingredients was drain cleaner. Anyone want to guess what would have happened if the reaction products had gotten on someone's skin or in their eyes.


They'd end up with clean skin and eyes?
 
2013-05-15 07:21:20 PM

gweilo8888: nipner: It's just sad that now kids can't be kids anymore.  I'm in my mid thirties, and would now end up in Guantanamo for some of the stupid crap I did.  Soda bottle bombs, egging cars, toilet papering houses, stealing signs.....

/nothing with permanent damage
//harmless clean fun and foolery

Quantum Apostrophe: Are Americans typically so afraid of everything that a vinegar and baking soda volcano will make them wet their pants?

I know we're on Fark, where we're not really interested in facts, just dogpiling on the latest Internet cause célèbre of the day, but let's be clear here.

This was not "harmless clean fun" with no permanent damage. It was most definitely not a vinegar and baking soda volcano.

This was drain cleaner and aluminum in a sealed container, something widely described on the YouTube videos she copied it from as a "bomb", and something which has the potential for causing a significant injury not just to herself, but to anybody else nearby.

A suspension was unquestionably called for. More wasn't, unless they have incontrovertible proof she actually intended harm to somebody.


I never said that she shouldn't have been suspended for a few days...  My point is that kids now are going to JAIL ferchristssake....  They are getting permanent arrest records now, for stuff that used to be handled by schools/parents.  It's ridiculous.  "Back in my day" the cops or other parents who caught us would call our parents and take us home, or schools would punish you with suspension/detention.  This girl does not need to be in alternative school and a scared-straight program for one farking mistake.

/hate that you make me sound old...
 
2013-05-15 07:29:28 PM
Ok, honors student but has to go through a diversion program?
Where she well undoubtedly associate with model citizens and learn acceptable social habits.
Or, pick up trash on the side of the road.
 
2013-05-15 07:29:29 PM

MelGoesOnTour: You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!   10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.


And they say black people pull out the race card for no particular reason. Did you even read the farking article? She's a damn honor student who by all means is an exemplary student and role model according to the principal. But don't let that stop you from pegging all black people into the same ghetto hole.
 
2013-05-15 07:31:05 PM
Heck, I made explosives that today would have landed me in prison for quite a while. I never set them off around others or any buildings, but they were quite a bit worse than what this girl did.

UrukHaiGuyz: She should be left to rot in jail! It is a well established fact that curiosity disrupts the status quo. Bad for business, you know.


"Oh oh. Two independent thought alarms in one day. The students are overstimulated. Willie! Remove all the colored chalk from the classrooms!"

" I warned ya! Didn't I warn ya?! That colored chalk was forged by Lucifer himself!"
 
2013-05-15 07:33:26 PM

MelGoesOnTour: You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!  10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.


No, she was arrested because she was black.  This is Florida, where the Civil Rights Movement was something that happened in other states.  Every report has called her an honour student, which means she has a real shot at avoiding the Sh'n'ai'ia fate.  At least, she did until she got arrested for something a white kid wouldn't have been, since Floridians seem incapable of treating black people like people.

/also, that's not how you express odds.
 
2013-05-15 07:33:31 PM

A. Snatchfold: MelGoesOnTour: You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!   10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.

And they say black people pull out the race card for no particular reason. Did you even read the farking article? She's a damn honor student who by all means is an exemplary student and role model according to the principal. But don't let that stop you from pegging all black people into the same ghetto hole.


I'm not "pegging" people. But I'd be willing to bet that if the situation was turned around and it was, say, a white band-geek kid, the press would be all over it like "angry white boy on the rampage".
 
2013-05-15 07:35:10 PM
baking soda and foil will do the trick in a two litter bottle...90 seconds and boom...did it twenty years ago many times on the fifty yard line of the junior high i attended...not smart, but noone was ever hurt
 
2013-05-15 07:35:55 PM

Outrageous Muff: So we are sucking our own dicks over something we had no hand in like reddit?


like
 
2013-05-15 07:38:02 PM
The face she was charged with a felony is further proof America has jumped the shark.
 
2013-05-15 07:38:38 PM
face? fact.

/ goddamm gin
 
2013-05-15 07:41:07 PM

HeartBurnKid: ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?

The best kind.


Teenagers do stupid sh*t everyday.
 
2013-05-15 07:44:26 PM

cryinoutloud: [api.ning.com image 600x364]

Grumpy cat smiles on the---oh wait, he's still frowning.


Grumpy Cat is actually a she, not a he.
 
2013-05-15 07:44:48 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: YodaBlues: In Chrome: Settings --->Advanced --->Content Settings --->Plugins --> Select 'Click to play'

I can't thank you enough without abusing font size and color.


No problemo. You can whitelist domains too, so any sites where you know you're getting autoplay videos (Youtube, etc), just click the puzzle piece in the address bar and set it to always allow.
 
2013-05-15 07:45:46 PM
If she wasn't a minority, I guarantee the the internet (and Farkers) reaction would have been more along the lines of "stupid farking idiot knew what they were doing and deserve whatever they get". The people who claim that everybody else is racist are usually the most racist of them all.
 
2013-05-15 07:47:54 PM

MelGoesOnTour: A. Snatchfold: MelGoesOnTour: You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!   10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.

And they say black people pull out the race card for no particular reason. Did you even read the farking article? She's a damn honor student who by all means is an exemplary student and role model according to the principal. But don't let that stop you from pegging all black people into the same ghetto hole.

I'm not "pegging" people. But I'd be willing to bet that if the situation was turned around and it was, say, a white band-geek kid, the press would be all over it like "angry white boy on the rampage".


20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.

Sounds like pegging all black people into the same ghetto hole to me. And the difference here is the honor student factor, not race. If this were some loner black kid geek like Lee Malvo you'd bet this would be an entirely different story.
 
2013-05-15 07:48:57 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If she wasn't a minority, I guarantee the the internet (and Farkers) reaction would have been more along the lines of "stupid farking idiot knew what they were doing and deserve whatever they get". The people who claim that everybody else is racist are usually the most racist of them all.


White people are so persecuted :(
 
2013-05-15 07:51:03 PM

Bondith: MelGoesOnTour: You know why this is being handled with kid gloves? It's because the gal is black.  But having said that, ANY kid who brings "an experiment" like this to school grounds is just looking for trouble.  She clearly knew that some sort of exothermic reaction would be the likely outcome rather than, say, it resulting in a pretty rainbow of sweet tasting bubble froth.  Sheesh--gimme a break!  10-2-1 this gal has had problems in the past which her parents will never acknowledge being how she's a perfect angel. 20-2-1 she'll be popping out a little Sh'n'ai'ia in the next couple of years.

No, she was arrested because she was black.  This is Florida, where the Civil Rights Movement was something that happened in other states.  Every report has called her an honour student, which means she has a real shot at avoiding the Sh'n'ai'ia fate.  At least, she did until she got arrested for something a white kid wouldn't have been, since Floridians seem incapable of treating black people like people.

/also, that's not how you express odds.


You know how I can tell you're not from around these parts?

But, whatever. As an aside, I've noticed a common theme being, in short, "if the kid is an honor student, they can do no wrong".  Really?!
 
2013-05-15 07:52:11 PM

A. Snatchfold: White people are so persecuted :(


Your problem is that you think race has something to do with this story. Guess what that makes you? A farking racist.
 
2013-05-15 07:54:02 PM
Felony science? Is that the charge Galileo would have faced in Florida?
i1243.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-15 07:55:51 PM
When I was in 8th grade, I got extra credit for nearly poisoning my entire science class with chlorine gas.

I wasn't trying to kill anyone.  I--and apparently, my teacher--just didn't think about the fact that separating a large amount of table salt into its components might be a bad idea.

Hell, I'm pretty sure that was how I passed.
 
2013-05-15 07:58:31 PM

parliboy: Teenager does something moderately dumb and illegal.  (At least as much as a bomb can be described as "moderate").

Gets diversion in lieu of jail.

If she doesn't screw up again, her life doesn't get screwed up for good.

This is fair.




Clever criminals concern me. Keep her in school.
 
2013-05-15 07:58:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: A. Snatchfold: White people are so persecuted :(

Your problem is that you think race has something to do with this story. Guess what that makes you? A farking racist.


I'm sorry, I must be confused. I thought you were the first one to bring up race when you commented.

Popcorn Johnny: If she wasn't a minority, I guarantee the the internet (and Farkers) reaction would have been more along the lines of "stupid farking idiot knew what they were doing and deserve whatever they get". The people who claim that everybody else is racist are usually the most racist of them all.

Oh wait, I'm not confused at all. You're just being your usual willfully ignorant self. And lol at you for stamping out the "you're the real racist for pointing out racism" square on the bingo card.
 
2013-05-15 07:59:58 PM

A. Snatchfold: I'm sorry, I must be confused. I thought you were the first one to bring up race when you commented.


I don't think race had anything to do with this. Check the comments in here and see who brought up race first.
 
2013-05-15 08:05:45 PM

parliboy: Teenager does something moderately dumb and illegal.  (At least as much as a bomb can be described as "moderate").

Gets diversion in lieu of jail.

If she doesn't screw up again, her life doesn't get screwed up for good.

This is fair.


2/10

Thanks for playing.
 
2013-05-15 08:06:36 PM

A. Snatchfold: I'm sorry, I must be confused. I thought you were the first one to bring up race when you commented.


Popcorn Johnny: I don't think race had anything to do with this. Check the comments in here and see who brought up race first.


Guys, exchange email addresses and take this somewhere else, yeah?  Some kid blew something up like kids do.  Let the thread be about kids blowing shiat up.
 
2013-05-15 08:10:05 PM
What a waste of time...a lot of it.  geezus-h-curiced
 
2013-05-15 08:12:50 PM

ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?


Charles Goodyear?
 
2013-05-15 08:15:25 PM

nipner: I never said that she shouldn't have been suspended for a few days...  My point is that kids now are going to JAIL ferchristssake....  They are getting permanent arrest records now, for stuff that used to be handled by schools/parents.  It's ridiculous.  "Back in my day" the cops or other parents who caught us would call our parents and take us home, or schools would punish you with suspension/detention.  This girl does not need to be in alternative school and a scared-straight program for one farking mistake.

/hate that you make me sound old...


You equated the "harmless fun" of your youth with the dangerous shiat she pulled. Either you were intentionally trolling, you were way off base with your assessment of what she did, or your "harmless fun" wasn't actually harmless. Your pick.
 
2013-05-15 08:16:40 PM

ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?


Know how I can tell you were never an Honors/AP Science Student?
 
2013-05-15 08:22:18 PM

AbbeySomeone: HeartBurnKid: ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?

The best kind.

Teenagers do stupid sh*t everyday.


The reason why we as a species have amassed the scientific knowledge we have is because somewhere, sometime, some stupid arsehole decided to put stuff in bottles to see what they do.
 
2013-05-15 08:22:34 PM

Outrageous Muff: So we are sucking our own dicks over something we had no hand in like reddit?


Welcome to Fark?

/not included
 
2013-05-15 08:24:53 PM

Walter Paisley: Felony science? Is that the charge Galileo would have faced in Florida?
[i1243.photobucket.com image 533x340]


I don't know, but I sort of wish I could get a charge of felony science on my record.

ArcadianRefugee: "She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," one teen said.

What kind of honor student is so daft as to mix chemicals together "just to see what happens"?


The bored kind. I'd have thrown a gallon jug of Cesium into a lake just to see what happened if I could have.

(boom, that's what)
 
2013-05-15 08:26:30 PM

MetaCarpal: A. Snatchfold: I'm sorry, I must be confused. I thought you were the first one to bring up race when you commented.

Popcorn Johnny: I don't think race had anything to do with this. Check the comments in here and see who brought up race first.

Guys, exchange email addresses and take this somewhere else, yeah?   Some kid blew something up like kids do.  Let the thread be about kids blowing shiat up.


Look, that's my take, but others have to make it fit their agenda. But no worries, I'm done.
 
2013-05-15 08:30:47 PM

Spanky McStupid: Coolfusis: Infernalist: SilentStrider: Good.

That

These.

Those.


Plethora
 
2013-05-15 08:31:29 PM

gweilo8888: nipner: I never said that she shouldn't have been suspended for a few days...  My point is that kids now are going to JAIL ferchristssake....  They are getting permanent arrest records now, for stuff that used to be handled by schools/parents.  It's ridiculous.  "Back in my day" the cops or other parents who caught us would call our parents and take us home, or schools would punish you with suspension/detention.  This girl does not need to be in alternative school and a scared-straight program for one farking mistake.

/hate that you make me sound old...

You equated the "harmless fun" of your youth with the dangerous shiat she pulled. Either you were intentionally trolling, you were way off base with your assessment of what she did, or your "harmless fun" wasn't actually harmless. Your pick.


No, the difference is the permanent arrest record. We can go around and around all day about whether this girl's soda-bottle bomb was or was not any different from our homemade napalm; but what makes it very different today is that if/when we got in trouble 40 years ago, even if we got expelled or arrested, it did not ruin our entire lives. Assuming there was no malicious intent, we got to acknowledge our rank stupidity and carry on with our life.

Nowadays, your arrest record is not only permanent, it can destroy your life EVEN IF there is no malice, and even if nobody was hurt, and even if everyone involved agrees they initially overreacted. A felony arrest can prevent you from getting financial aid for college, or even being accepted into college; it can prevent you from being hired for many types of jobs, especially if it involves money or security; it can permanently impact your credit rating and make it difficult to rent a house, buy a car, qualify for a bank loan, etc. That is pretty heavy baggage for an honors student who did something silly because she was a kid and didn't realize what would happen.

Now, there are people who will say "Well, she should have thought about that before she mixed aluminum perchlorate and gasoline," but most people don't think about things when they are 16, and the ones who say they did are lying. And the adults who pretend they stop to carefully weigh each and every decision before they do something often don't realize the impact a simple arrest could have on their future--so why would a kid? So the idiot adults at this girl's school who had her arrested for her science experiment probably didn't realize what they were doing with their zero tolerance policies; but their (and your) brainless rationalizations of "But someone COULD HAVE been hurt" merely show that they didn't realize the potential ramifications.

There's a time and place for "could have been" in assessing penalties--but "attempt" crimes require an element of malice. Punishing a kid criminally for what would otherwise be negligence is, well, a crime.
 
2013-05-15 08:37:21 PM
GOOD! It shouldn't have been an issue to begin with.
 
2013-05-15 08:39:51 PM
Is anyone outraged that she shouldn't be doing this because this it's a boy thing to mess around with exploding experiments and girls are supposed just to be interested in science that involves medicine and plants?
 
2013-05-15 08:40:36 PM

WTFDYW: GOOD! It shouldn't have been an issue to begin with.


No issue at all? Intentionally mixing two things know to cause a violent reaction on school grounds shouldn't bring any actions? How about if she had done it in a classroom instead of outside? How about at the mall or in a McDonald's bathroom?
 
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