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2013-05-15 04:10:38 PM  
If he winds up getting evicted, he should go all forgetful old man and find a way to "accidentally" burn the place to the ground.
 
2013-05-15 04:12:02 PM  
I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.
 
2013-05-15 04:16:24 PM  

IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.


Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?
 
2013-05-15 04:18:48 PM  
Pay your bills, deadbeat.
 
2013-05-15 04:18:51 PM  
4chan, you have a new mission.

Go.
 
2013-05-15 04:19:09 PM  
Somehow, I think he'll be changing his will soon....
 
2013-05-15 04:19:37 PM  
Worst. Daughter. Ever.
 
2013-05-15 04:20:17 PM  
Have fun sucking cocks in hell, coont.
 
2013-05-15 04:20:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?


Of course.
 
2013-05-15 04:20:48 PM  
Damn.....That's cold.
 
2013-05-15 04:21:21 PM  
So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.
 
2013-05-15 04:21:29 PM  
Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.
 
2013-05-15 04:22:04 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?


That kid was Asian?
 
2013-05-15 04:22:08 PM  
I'd have to know more about the family before I can judge the daughter.  She may have a perfectly valid reason to kick the old coot to the curb.
 
2013-05-15 04:22:40 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: 4chan, you have a new mission.

Go.


I had this same thought.   I'm not usually one for justice by Anonymous, but I'm struggling to think of anything that justifies what the daughter is doing.
 
2013-05-15 04:22:41 PM  
56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?
 
2013-05-15 04:23:27 PM  

Private_Citizen: Worst. Daughter. Ever.


well, possibly ... but see ha-ha-guy's post and also ...

FOR ALL WE KNOW HE DIDDLED HER FOR YEARS AND NOW SHE'S PISSED.
 
2013-05-15 04:23:39 PM  

ha-ha-guy: the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.


Wasn't there an article on fark about her 18 months or so ago?  I remember reading a story like that.
 
2013-05-15 04:23:55 PM  

ha-ha-guy: She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Well, you did, didn't you?

Mrs.Sharpier: That kid was Asian?


I was wondering about that, too.
 
2013-05-15 04:24:22 PM  
Let's sic /b/ on here. I just want to sic /b/ on everybody lately. First that restaurant couple and now her.
 
2013-05-15 04:24:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?


I took from the article that he owned the house, then the daughter fraudulently transferred it to her name.  The money they are trying to raise is to buy back the house the daughter essentially stole.
 
2013-05-15 04:24:32 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Have fun sucking cocks in hell, coont.


again, we don't know ... maybe he diddled her and now he's gettin' what's comin' ...
 
2013-05-15 04:24:59 PM  
I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:11 PM  
i can totally see my family doing something like that to me.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:17 PM  

Warthog: JohnAnnArbor: 4chan, you have a new mission.

Go.

I had this same thought.   I'm not usually one for justice by Anonymous, but I'm struggling to think of anything that justifies what the daughter is doing.


I'm guessing we'll have a childhood abuse claim or some such.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:19 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


If he's 91, his daughter is probably also old enough to be senile herself.

if she is just being an evil greedy biatch, I hope her kids learn from her example and avenge grandpa by behaving in exactly the same way.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:27 PM  
Don't worry, he'll soon be living in a cozy little one-bedroom suite, followed by a cozy little garden level, wood-panelled studio.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:28 PM  
Do people even bother to read the articles before commenting on them?
 
2013-05-15 04:25:28 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?

That kid was Asian?


I think that's a Gran Torino reference?
 
2013-05-15 04:25:32 PM  
To the skank-ho-daughter

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2013-05-15 04:25:35 PM  
Well, at least she's a hottie.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:39 PM  
Good plan!! This is how I will get my parents beach house and screw over my brother and sister. It could work!!!
 
2013-05-15 04:25:54 PM  

WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?


He paid it off, people are raising money so he can buy it back.  Then the shiatty daughter gets that 125K.  Arsenic in her tea seems like the better solution here.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:56 PM  
She has no valid reason. Look in the Farchives for another thread or two on this. You'll get more details to really scald your balls.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:57 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Sounds more realistic.
 
2013-05-15 04:25:59 PM  

zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.


As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.
 
2013-05-15 04:26:05 PM  
RELEASE TEH INTERNETS!
 
2013-05-15 04:26:18 PM  

bigdanc: ha-ha-guy: the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

Wasn't there an article on fark about her 18 months or so ago?  I remember reading a story like that.


Wouldn't surprise me.  The social worker had said it was par for the course with the house bound.  My case was a good decade ago.  Supposedly the ones who are still there mentally are smart enough to spread their orders around so no one delivery place realizes they're the sole source of food for the person.
 
2013-05-15 04:26:21 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.


Yeah, and this.
 
2013-05-15 04:26:36 PM  
A few years ago, my grandpa got to the point in which he could no longer afford to live at his place.  My parents bought the house from him, and told him he could live there rent free for the rest of his days, no questions asked.

Because they aren't complete and utter assholes.
 
2013-05-15 04:26:38 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?

That kid was Asian?


I thought he was just fat and that is why his eyes were squinty.
 
2013-05-15 04:26:38 PM  
Doesn't Ohio have some sort of elder abuse law that would allow this woman to be criminally prosecuted? That's a blatent abuse of the power of attorney, and a common form of fraud on the elderly that most state attorney generals LOVE to go after (gets votes from old people, after all).
 
2013-05-15 04:26:52 PM  

Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


Except she seems to have secretly and illegally transferred the house into her name, which is why she can even do this at all.
 
2013-05-15 04:27:15 PM  
As somebody who has dealt with senility in family members, I'm going to withhold judgement on this until I'm certain I know the whole story.

My grandmother had to be put in a home and that meant basically kicking her out of her house. She was too far away from family to be cared for and she was in the hospital four times in a year for heart problems. It was awful, she resented us to her grave, but there was little other choice.
 
2013-05-15 04:27:31 PM  
This just proves you can't trust other human beings in the long run.
 
2013-05-15 04:28:13 PM  
When she kicks him out and moves in, how is she going to afford all the pizzas?
 
2013-05-15 04:28:32 PM  

bigdanc: ha-ha-guy: the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

Wasn't there an article on fark about her 18 months or so ago?  I remember reading a story like that.


It isn't common, but isn't rare either. You get old folks that can't really care for themselves but won't move in to a managed care facility and they'll call for delivery a lot. In part for human contact, as well as food. Well, the delivery drivers are people, and can get worried if something goes wrong. It usually doesn't make anything more than local papers, if that, but it happens.
 
2013-05-15 04:29:04 PM  

GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.


Article mentions that the statue of limitations is up for such a course of action.
 
2013-05-15 04:29:11 PM  
Thanksgiving Dinner might be a little awkward...

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2013-05-15 04:29:25 PM  

GalFriday: Mrs.Sharpier: FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?

That kid was Asian?

I thought he was just fat and that is why his eyes were squinty.


Me too.
 
2013-05-15 04:29:42 PM  

Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


...or she could just be an offensively malodorous coont.
 
2013-05-15 04:30:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mrs.Sharpier: FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?

That kid was Asian?

I think that's a Gran Torino reference?


Maybe.  I see a lot of things on xhamster that that could reference.  Is there a crowded bus?  Or a sailor moon costume?
 
2013-05-15 04:30:46 PM  
Need Paul Harvey on this so we can get ...wait for it...the rest of the story

Good Day
 
2013-05-15 04:30:54 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Do people even bother to read the articles before commenting on them?


This surprises you?
 
2013-05-15 04:31:02 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: GalFriday: Mrs.Sharpier: FirstNationalBastard: IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons.

Will he have an annoying, chubby Asian kid teach him how to open his heart to love again?

That kid was Asian?

I thought he was just fat and that is why his eyes were squinty.

Me too.


Okay, maybe half-Asian?
 
2013-05-15 04:31:08 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Except she seems to have secretly and illegally transferred the house into her name, which is why she can even do this at all.


Allegedly secretly and illegally.  And if she were out for the $$, then why didn't she sell the house seven years ago?

Did you watch the video?  You really think that dude should be living by himself?
 
2013-05-15 04:31:11 PM  
I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.
 
2013-05-15 04:31:19 PM  
She's on Facebook. yeeeesssshhh.
 
2013-05-15 04:32:21 PM  

drb9: I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.


That occurred to me, too.
 
2013-05-15 04:32:45 PM  
He's old enough to kill his children with impunity right?
 
2013-05-15 04:32:48 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Do people even bother to read the articles before commenting on them?


The sound was down but, I got the gist of what was said.
 
2013-05-15 04:32:51 PM  
Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


Why doesn't she just say so then. The hiding behind the court and refusing to give her side while asking for thousands of dollars to sell him back the house all sounds a little odd for someone that is try trying to do the right thing.
 
2013-05-15 04:32:57 PM  
Instead of raising money to buy the house they should make a donation to the local motorcycle enthusiasts club to persuade the daughter into a change of heart.
 
2013-05-15 04:33:16 PM  

GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.


FTA:The rest of the family didn't discover the transfer until 2010, Fraley said, and though other family members tried to reverse the allegedly illegal transfer an appeal court ruled the four-year statute of limitations had expired.

As a merely well paid attorney, I would hope a fellow attorney had better reading comprehension.

\Evidently, Ohio doesn't have a strong abuse of elderly statute.
 
2013-05-15 04:34:26 PM  
My mother developed senile dementia way too early and was convinced to sign over her power of attorney to a lawyer who clearly had ulterior motives.  I got it changed around before he do anything malicious but goddamn...it's way too much power to give to anyone whom you do not absolutely trust with everything.
 
2013-05-15 04:34:44 PM  

huckleberg: Crewmannumber6: Have fun sucking cocks in hell, coont.

again, we don't know ... maybe he diddled her and now he's gettin' what's comin' ...


You have a sick old man and his daughter fetish, huh?
 
2013-05-15 04:34:45 PM  
What.

A.

C*nt.

.
 
2013-05-15 04:35:24 PM  

Private_Citizen: Worst. Daughter. Ever.


Ashley Gold?
 
2013-05-15 04:35:38 PM  

IgG4: I have a plan, but it is going to involve lots and lots of balloons popcorn and a laser mounted on a plane.

Fixed.

 
2013-05-15 04:35:44 PM  

drb9: I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.


You're not the only one suspicious about that. Though I'm generally far too cynical for my own good.
 
2013-05-15 04:35:46 PM  

James!: I'd have to know more about the family before I can judge the daughter.  She may have a perfectly valid reason to kick the old coot to the curb.


Another article said that the old man gave up custody rights to his autistic son to the daughter a few years back and the daughter claims he has been using the court system to harass her and her husband over visitation.

So as much as I'd like to be outraged, it may be a case of "old guy can't take care of himself or his autistic son, daughter takes over, daughter has to sell house to pay for care of autistic son and old guy."
 
2013-05-15 04:36:19 PM  

drb9: I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.


Was suspicious of this as well.

Also possible is the theory that he's not capable of taking care of himself and this is their method of getting him into a nursing home.  I had a neighbor who's kids had to do that.  Woman was a danger to herself.  Sweet, nice old lady, I helped her when I could but she was going to kill herself if she kept on like that.
 
2013-05-15 04:36:54 PM  
We went out of our way to avoid this. Before grandad passed on, he signed his half of the house over to the daughter, rather than having it go to grandma. She was p. batshiat evil at that point. I mean beating the dying man kind of farked up. After he died & she found out, we were the scum of the earth, because the silly cow couldn't understand that if a nurse or physician declared her senile (as they are wont to do) revenue claims the house and stuff her in a home early. We -saved- the home, got her in-house care on his will proceeds, but all the family in that neck of the woods thinks we're dirt for "pulling a fast one" :|

Either way, this biatch sounds like a right skank-ho, as aforementioned.
 
2013-05-15 04:37:34 PM  

cenobyte40k: Why doesn't she just say so then.


This article doesn't seem to be interested in both sides.  But an eviction case has nothing to do with the mental state of the evicted, so it would be irrelevant.  And if she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on to get him into an appropriate environment, she could be using the only legal tool she has available to her (not having POA anymore).
 
2013-05-15 04:38:29 PM  

James!: I'd have to know more about the family before I can judge the daughter.  She may have a perfectly valid reason to kick the old coot to the curb.


I was thinking this too, but the fact that she is denying to make any comment makes me wonder...
 
2013-05-15 04:38:42 PM  

GalFriday: I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this. NO REASON AT ALL.


We don't know that.  I can think of a few.
 
2013-05-15 04:39:48 PM  

KJUW89: I was thinking this too, but the fact that she is denying to make any comment makes me wonder...


As I posted upthread, her eviction case might be damaged if she lets onto an ulterior motive for the eviction.
 
2013-05-15 04:40:02 PM  

ha-ha-guy: GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.

Article mentions that the statue of limitations is up for such a course of action.


I read the article.  That is why you get the POA reversed first, then get the house rightfully restored.  If I can prove that the POA was given under duress or that the father believed that the POA would be used for something else, then I can get it the POA voided and all actions that she took within that POA can be reconsidered and the statute of limitations will reset itself.

**NOTE TO ALL FARKERS** Never give your Power of Attorney for money and your Power of Attorney for health to the same person.
 
2013-05-15 04:40:02 PM  

berylman: My mother developed senile dementia way too early and was convinced to sign over her power of attorney to a lawyer who clearly had ulterior motives.  I got it changed around before he do anything malicious but goddamn...it's way too much power to give to anyone whom you do not absolutely trust with everything.


I wonder if it is possible to give power of attorney to a trio of people requiring at least two to agree and sign before any legal action can be done on behalf of the root person. Is that even a thing? can you protect yourself from the one scumbag family member you accidentally trusted by providing oversight by a couple others. Especially not knowing which one is the greedy SOB?
 
2013-05-15 04:40:23 PM  

Dixon Cider: huckleberg: Crewmannumber6: Have fun sucking cocks in hell, coont.

again, we don't know ... maybe he diddled her and now he's gettin' what's comin' ...

You have a sick old man and his daughter fetish, huh?


Seriously, it's like, go ahead and say it again a few more times, won't make it any more true dude.

/Show us on the doll where he touched you, huckleberg
 
2013-05-15 04:41:27 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.



Yeah, but did you ask her to sign over the deeds to the house?
I get your point and it's a wholly justified one but what would necessitate signing away your home but still live there after 4 years? And the silence of it all until it was discovered pretty much makes me think: What a coont.
 
2013-05-15 04:41:39 PM  
That's strange it seems that it is a revenge thing stemming from  "visitation rights" for Potter's autistic other child Joe?  Joe would have to be 70 so I don't understand this at all.

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/22027812/wwii-veteran-about-to-be-evicted -b y-daughter-son-in-law

NBC4 asked Potter's son-in-law and daughter about evicting her father.
"Actually, I can tell you an awful lot, simply because I'm the one who is doing it," said Dean Cottrill.
Janis Cottrill is married to Dean, and is Potter's daughter. They claim the family feud is over visitation rights for Potter's other child, who has Autism.
"For him to stay in that home, it is real simple. Leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said Dean.
He said his wife Janis is upset over the feud and cries many nights.
 
2013-05-15 04:41:52 PM  

shArkh: We went out of our way to avoid this. Before grandad passed on, he signed his half of the house over to the daughter, rather than having it go to grandma. She was p. batshiat evil at that point. I mean beating the dying man kind of farked up. After he died & she found out, we were the scum of the earth, because the silly cow couldn't understand that if a nurse or physician declared her senile (as they are wont to do) revenue claims the house and stuff her in a home early. We -saved- the home, got her in-house care on his will proceeds, but all the family in that neck of the woods thinks we're dirt for "pulling a fast one" :|

Either way, this biatch sounds like a right skank-ho, as aforementioned.


Yeah, that's the really shiatty part.  The smart thing to do is sit down a doctor and a lawyer early on.  Have the doctor outline the projected medical needs of the person and then have the lawyer work out some kind of agreement about assets.  The lawyer will normally know how to handle the assets in such a way that the person gets access to the best benefits, because if you just leave assets sitting around the government will require you to use those assets to help cover care before they kick in.  Whereas as stuff goes into trusts or other things you can avoid such issues.

I'm glad my parents were willing to sit down with myself and my siblings and we worked out a living will for the worst case scenario and an agreed upon structure for asset transfer so no one got would feel screwed over.  It really sucks when you have family that doesn't understand it though and doesn't understand you're making these moves not as an internal power play but to head off the government saying "Sell this to cover medical care first."
 
2013-05-15 04:42:19 PM  
I submitted this on 4/26.... blah blah blah

They have raised some $$$$$
 
2013-05-15 04:42:41 PM  
Someone is in need of a good 4chaning...
 
2013-05-15 04:42:47 PM  

tuna fingers: WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?

He paid it off, people are raising money so he can buy it back.  Then the shiatty daughter gets that 125K.  Arsenic in her tea seems like the better solution here.


On the other hand, it could be a very, very clever scam to chisel $125k out of the poor, unsuspecting internet, $125k which he and his daughter will spend on hookers and funerals.
 
2013-05-15 04:43:15 PM  

KJUW89: James!: I'd have to know more about the family before I can judge the daughter.  She may have a perfectly valid reason to kick the old coot to the curb.

I was thinking this too, but the fact that she is denying to make any comment makes me wonder...


I wouldn't want my personal family troubles to get caught in a media shiat storm either. She may be awful, I just don't know enough about it to say.

Personally, my girlfriend has had a deal of trouble with her mother who can't be bothered to pay her rent but hands out money to every shady character in her complex.  She had to get power of attorney to just make sure mom could stay in her apartment but sometimes mom forgets and raises hell.

Once the mind goes you have to take drastic measures to protect your loved ones sometimes.
 
2013-05-15 04:44:14 PM  

GalFriday: **NOTE TO ALL FARKERS** Never give your Power of Attorney for money and your Power of Attorney for health to the same person.


Make out a will.  A Living Will.  On video.  Use background music, flip charts, power point and good lighting.  Post 10 copies on 10 different servers.  Lock the dough down like a dog's jaws on a roast.  Rest.
 
2013-05-15 04:44:29 PM  

GungFu: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Yeah, but did you ask her to sign over the deeds to the house?
I get your point and it's a wholly justified one but what would necessitate signing away your home but still live there after 4 years? And the silence of it all until it was discovered pretty much makes me think: What a coont.


Her grandson had her declared incompetent and then the two of us shared power of attorney since her living situation was a clusterfark as were her finances.  I moved her back to Michigan and get into assisted living while her grandson sold the home and did what we could to go after the guys who scammed her.  Neither of us could visit her without 10 minutes of cursing after that.
 
2013-05-15 04:45:15 PM  
The best idea is to TALK to your parents before they get too old and demented, and draw up a plan of action.  This includes placing the family holdings (estate, whatever) into an irrevokable trust.  This will help protect them and the estate from scammers.

Another thing to do is to talk to them about dividing the estate themselves (on paper), rather than the children fighting over it after they're gone.

But it's tough...this must be done while they are still young enough to think things through.  Dementia can set in rather quickly, and before you know it your parents can easily forget that they have bank accounts and other assets.

/CSB (or not so CSB)

This happened in my family....my mom handled all the finances for the family holdings, and when she became demented she couldn't remember anything.  She died first, leaving dad in pretty bad shape (Parkinson's).  When we tried to get him to finish putting all the assets into the trust, he started raving about how my brother, sister and I would kick him out of the house once we had control.  We're still trying to sort out the mess.
 
2013-05-15 04:45:23 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.


I dunno, watching the video, he seems coherent,  just old. I'm thinking he'd be fine in his house with some living assistance, someone to wash the dishes and do the laundry, stuff like that. I'm on the "daughter is a biatch" team.
 
2013-05-15 04:45:30 PM  

kbronsito: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.

If he's 91, his daughter is probably also old enough to be senile herself.

if she is just being an evil greedy biatch, I hope her kids learn from her example and avenge grandpa by behaving in exactly the same way.


Looks like another baby boomer out to fark over everyone else.
 
2013-05-15 04:47:02 PM  
This is a scam of the granddaughter's doing.

The story doesn't even make sense. Power of attorney...okay, right...then a complete fog of logic. On the other hand, the story was written by a journalist, the stupidest people in the world after climatologists.
 
2013-05-15 04:47:26 PM  

gadian: GalFriday: I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this. NO REASON AT ALL.

We don't know that.  I can think of a few.


Maybe the daughter has a hot, young boytoy with a drug or gambling addiction that she needs to fix.
 
2013-05-15 04:47:53 PM  

oh_please: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.

I dunno, watching the video, he seems coherent,  just old. I'm thinking he'd be fine in his house with some living assistance, someone to wash the dishes and do the laundry, stuff like that. I'm on the "daughter is a biatch" team.


You know what happens when you try to diagnose mental condition through video?  That's right, you don't get to be Senate Majority leader any more.
 
2013-05-15 04:48:26 PM  

James!: Once the mind goes you have to take drastic measures to protect your loved ones sometimes.


Normally I wouldn't interject much opinion on family matters I have no insight on, but the daughter declining to speak to the media, when I can't see how doing so would affect the eviction case whatsoever, is...interesting.
 
2013-05-15 04:48:38 PM  
My buddy says everyone needs one daughter because, when you get old, she'll take care of you. Your sons would otherwise let you die of exposure, malnutrition and wallowing in your own filth.

Maybe he's wrong.
 
2013-05-15 04:48:40 PM  
Hey just like the Bombing a month ago, let's all jump to conclusions!

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him. We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming. She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place. The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Oh wait, ha-ha-guy, what are you doing here!!!??!?!

We clearly do not have the full story but let's all grab our pickforks just in case!
 
2013-05-15 04:49:02 PM  

skozlaw: As somebody who has dealt with senility in family members, I'm going to withhold judgement on this until I'm certain I know the whole story.

My grandmother had to be put in a home and that meant basically kicking her out of her house. She was too far away from family to be cared for and she was in the hospital four times in a year for heart problems. It was awful, she resented us to her grave, but there was little other choice.


You could have respected your grandmothers wishes and let her keep her own home and a little shred of dignity even if it did cost her two or three years of life that were pretty much bound to be shiat anyway. Seems like a choice to me.
 
2013-05-15 04:49:49 PM  
He should have dropped the house on her and taken her shoes....
 
2013-05-15 04:49:59 PM  

ristst: The best idea is to TALK to your parents before they get too old and demented, and draw up a plan of action.


Yup. I know my mom wants to be cremated and her ashes spread or interred in her family's cemetery. My mom sister and me are all broke as fark so there's not like there's any money to deal with. As far as my dad goes though if I heard news he died I throw a farking party.

This woman either wants a shiatload of money or they're all in on it.
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 04:51:14 PM  
This is obviously a scam perpetrated by all 3 players. Old man plays a victim, daughter plays the villain and the granddaughter plays the hero scamming money from outraged people. Brilliant!
 
2013-05-15 04:51:59 PM  
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child.
 
2013-05-15 04:52:42 PM  

huckleberg: Private_Citizen: Worst. Daughter. Ever.

well, possibly ... but see ha-ha-guy's post and also ...

FOR ALL WE KNOW HE DIDDLED HER FOR YEARS AND NOW SHE'S PISSED.


true
 
2013-05-15 04:52:47 PM  

Killer Cars: James!: Once the mind goes you have to take drastic measures to protect your loved ones sometimes.

Normally I wouldn't interject much opinion on family matters I have no insight on, but the daughter declining to speak to the media, when I can't see how doing so would affect the eviction case whatsoever, is...interesting.


I don't think I'd want to talk to the media in her position. It really doesn't matter what the media thinks so long as you're not running afoul of the law. Nobody is obligated to give interviews.
 
2013-05-15 04:53:54 PM  

WGJ: This is obviously a scam perpetrated by all 3 players. Old man plays a victim, daughter plays the villain and the granddaughter plays the hero scamming money from outraged people. Brilliant!


Maybe, I doubt it.  I dunno.  I put up a gofundme page to try and get an album recorded and mixed and mastered.  I think I got 70.00 before it dropped off the map.  It could be a con, but it's a damn shaky one if it is.  I'm going with my initial post.
 
2013-05-15 04:54:07 PM  

Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


Yeah, actually she was found to have WRONGFULLY transferred the property to herself, but he got screw on the statute of limitations for getting your house stolen from you by the appellate court
 
2013-05-15 04:54:18 PM  
Why do we automatically accept the innocence of old people? Bad people get old too, we don't know much about the history of this guy and his kids. I lot of old people I know are exceptional and experienced liars.
 
2013-05-15 04:54:19 PM  

A Terrible Human: ristst: The best idea is to TALK to your parents before they get too old and demented, and draw up a plan of action.

Yup. I know my mom wants to be cremated and her ashes spread or interred in her family's cemetery. My mom, sister and me are all broke as fark so there's not like there's any money to deal with. As far as my dad goes though if I heard news he died I throw a farking party.

This woman either wants a shiatload of money or they're all in on it.


So broke we can't even afford commas around here it seems.
 
2013-05-15 04:54:34 PM  

GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.


Except for the fact that if you read the article you would know that they have transferred the power of attorney, been to cour, and told the state statute of limitations is past.. You're an attorney?
 
2013-05-15 04:54:44 PM  
I really hope that guy is an evil man who molested his daughter and tortured her because that's the only reason I can imagine why someone would forcibly kick their dad out of their own home. Otherwise, that daughter is a very nasty person!
 
2013-05-15 04:55:02 PM  
http://gawker.com/evil-daughter-evicting-elderly-dad-out-of-the-home- h e-506681695
The most details I see are in the gawker (cringe) article.
 
2013-05-15 04:56:33 PM  
Why does my cynical heart see this as "I want to give my kids $125,000, but I can't figure out how to drum up the cash... I know! I'll engineer a fake 'eviction', and then beg online for folks to send me cash to 'buy back' my home from my child. They get $125,000, I get my house back, I never actually get evicted, and nothing actually happens!"

Call me when he's homeless. I'll take it seriously then.
 
2013-05-15 04:56:39 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Hate to admit it, but I had the same thing happen. I hope (oddly) that the poor guy just needs help and the daughter isn't simply evil. It's a no-winner situation.
 
2013-05-15 04:57:00 PM  

Babwa Wawa: FirstNationalBastard: Except she seems to have secretly and illegally transferred the house into her name, which is why she can even do this at all.

Allegedly secretly and illegally.  And if she were out for the $$, then why didn't she sell the house seven years ago?

Did you watch the video?  You really think that dude should be living by himself?


White knighting for this horrible woman because you had a bad experience with your family.  Classy.
 
2013-05-15 04:57:45 PM  

Netrngr: GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.

Except for the fact that if you read the article you would know that they have transferred the power of attorney, been to cour, and told the state statute of limitations is past.. You're an attorney?


Yes, I am and a very good one.  I am able to tell that I am a good attorney by the amount of money people are willing to pay to handle this kind of thing for them.
I have dealt with this before and if you keep reading the comments, you will see my plan for getting this done.
 
2013-05-15 04:58:42 PM  

ha-ha-guy: GungFu: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


Yeah, but did you ask her to sign over the deeds to the house?
I get your point and it's a wholly justified one but what would necessitate signing away your home but still live there after 4 years? And the silence of it all until it was discovered pretty much makes me think: What a coont.

Her grandson had her declared incompetent and then the two of us shared power of attorney since her living situation was a clusterfark as were her finances.  I moved her back to Michigan and get into assisted living while her grandson sold the home and did what we could to go after the guys who scammed her.  Neither of us could visit her without 10 minutes of cursing after that.



I think you guys did the right thing. Good on ya! I have some experience of what you went through, though thankfully not the crazy financial stuff, just the doing the best for an elderly relation stuff.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:05 PM  
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Home of the free, brave, and greedy. You go girl.

...runs for the bomb shelter
 
2013-05-15 04:59:12 PM  

WGJ: This is obviously a scam perpetrated by all 3 players. Old man plays a victim, daughter plays the villain and the granddaughter plays the hero scamming money from outraged people. Brilliant!


I was kinda thinking this too, especially with the fund raiser.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:12 PM  

Ned Stark: skozlaw: As somebody who has dealt with senility in family members, I'm going to withhold judgement on this until I'm certain I know the whole story.

My grandmother had to be put in a home and that meant basically kicking her out of her house. She was too far away from family to be cared for and she was in the hospital four times in a year for heart problems. It was awful, she resented us to her grave, but there was little other choice.

You could have respected your grandmothers wishes and let her keep her own home and a little shred of dignity even if it did cost her two or three years of life that were pretty much bound to be shiat anyway. Seems like a choice to me.


This. People that assume to know what's best for others creep me out.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:13 PM  
Maybe the granddaughter raising money to keep grandpa in his home is the scam.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:16 PM  
If you actually read the gawker article it's more complicated than just a scam.  They want to keep him away from his autistic son Joe.  He's filing for visitation.  They evicted him to try to get him to stop the lawsuit.  They might really be douches or their might be more going on than it seems.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:38 PM  
And just as my own anecdotal two-cents.....

I had a neighbor that was quite old and an alcoholic. I wish she had a family member that exercised their POA and taken control of the situation. Instead what happen is she started 3 fires and was hospitalized for injuries numerous times before the state took control. I personally took her to the hospital on two occasions.

From the article, maybe the old guy isn't the problem at all. Maybe he was an unbelievable jerkoff while she was growing up and she's getting her payback. Who knows.
 
2013-05-15 04:59:50 PM  

GalFriday: I am able to tell that I am a good attorney by the amount of money people are willing to pay to handle this kind of thing for them.


Now that's funny.
 
2013-05-15 05:00:04 PM  

James!: Nobody is obligated to give interviews.


Not disagreeing, but I'd consider at least giving statements provided she has an understandable reason behind it. On the surface, it looks like she's serving up a stinking pig. In the world we live in rife with immediate vigilante internet justice, maybe it's worth trying put some lipstick on it.
 
2013-05-15 05:00:37 PM  

FormlessOne: Why does my cynical heart see this as "I want to give my kids $125,000, but I can't figure out how to drum up the cash... I know! I'll engineer a fake 'eviction', and then beg online for folks to send me cash to 'buy back' my home from my child. They get $125,000, I get my house back, I never actually get evicted, and nothing actually happens!"

Call me when he's homeless. I'll take it seriously then.


That's a damn good grif if (not) true. Ill have to chip in $5 out of respect.
 
2013-05-15 05:01:23 PM  

ha-ha-guy: GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.

Article mentions that the statue of limitations is up for such a course of action.


I'm sure you did that intentionally...so here's your pic:

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2013-05-15 05:02:27 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Do people even bother to read the articles before commenting on them?


No they don't. They really don't. You see all these questions and speculation that could be easily answered had they bothered to read more than just the Fark headline.
 
2013-05-15 05:02:50 PM  
Damn, I thought I was cynical and then I read this thread.
 
2013-05-15 05:03:04 PM  

Ned Stark: FormlessOne: Why does my cynical heart see this as "I want to give my kids $125,000, but I can't figure out how to drum up the cash... I know! I'll engineer a fake 'eviction', and then beg online for folks to send me cash to 'buy back' my home from my child. They get $125,000, I get my house back, I never actually get evicted, and nothing actually happens!"

Call me when he's homeless. I'll take it seriously then.

That's a damn good grif if (not) true. Ill have to chip in $5 out of respect.


Grift, even.
 
2013-05-15 05:03:24 PM  

bestie1: http://gawker.com/evil-daughter-evicting-elderly-dad-out-of-the-home- h e-506681695
The most details I see are in the gawker (cringe) article.


So she's willing to drop the eviction if old guy stops trying to get visitation on her handicapped brother.

From that you could draw the conclusion that she's trying to protect her brother from her father.
 
2013-05-15 05:03:39 PM  
I'm not normally this suspicious, but when I read the story, the first thing I thought of was the possibility that the daughter and granddaughter are working together to raise a boatload of money.

The daughter being so public about the eviction, the eviction date a month away, the GoFundMe drive, (which is now up to $87,000).

It's bothersome, but I think it's a scam.
 
2013-05-15 05:03:56 PM  
Sounds like a law firm could do a little pro bono work here that would make me like lawyers, just a little bit.
 
2013-05-15 05:04:02 PM  

WGJ: This is obviously a scam perpetrated by all 3 players. Old man plays a victim, daughter plays the villain and the granddaughter plays the hero scamming money from outraged people. Brilliant!

thank you

 
2013-05-15 05:04:09 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.


Unfortunately the cynical part of me thinks it is a third option - a scam.

He transfers power of attorney to daughter and then the daughter evicts him.  I get it, that's bad and I agree with your two potential possibilities.  But the response from his granddaughter was to set up a fund to buy the house back from his mom?  Not let him move in with her, not sue the daughter, not have him put in a home but rather, cut the mom a check for $125,000 from donations?

I smell shenanigans.
 
2013-05-15 05:04:11 PM  

Keeve: ArcadianRefugee: Do people even bother to read the articles before commenting on them?

No they don't. They really don't. You see all these questions and speculation that could be easily answered had they bothered to read more than just the Fark headline.


Yep, most of them just wanted to come in here and tell us about their sob stories.
 
2013-05-15 05:06:03 PM  

DubtodaIll: Why do we automatically accept the innocence of old people? Bad people get old too, we don't know much about the history of this guy and his kids. I lot of old people I know are exceptional and experienced liars.


Let's assume for the sake of argument that he is a bad guy.  Child molester, Nazi in hiding, puppy stomper, you name it.

Karma's a biatch and all, but...
How does this give his daughter any legal right to steal his house and kick him out?
 
2013-05-15 05:08:15 PM  
This guy is as old as my father would have been if he would ahve lived. I hope that he is able to save his home. If I was rich he would not have to worry about it.
 
2013-05-15 05:08:31 PM  

Walker: Let's sic /b/ on here. I just want to sic /b/ on everybody lately. First that restaurant couple and now her.


What restaurant couple? What did I miss?
 
2013-05-15 05:09:21 PM  

GalFriday: I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this. NO REASON AT ALL.


oh, c'mon...you're an attorney...  YOU should know better than anyone that there MIGHT be a damn good excuse for what she is doing......probably not, but there MIGHT be.  i'm surprised you would make such a blanket statement.
 
2013-05-15 05:11:28 PM  

oh_please: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.

I dunno, watching the video, he seems coherent,  just old. I'm thinking he'd be fine in his house with some living assistance, someone to wash the dishes and do the laundry, stuff like that. I'm on the "daughter is a biatch" team.


Old people can be shockingly lucid or appear so.  You could have a full on conversation with my great aunt.  Of which she would remember nothing an hour later.  Her condition was such that her short term memory was hosed, but she could fill in the gaps with speculation to varying degrees of success.  For example if I told it was Sunday, she'd ask me if Michigan won their football game yesterday because she knew I always watched Michigan football.  What she'd lose track of was that it was June and there was no football to watch.

However if she managed to make a few lucky guesses via speculation and you didn't get into anything too current, she'd seem 100% there.
 
2013-05-15 05:13:04 PM  

kbronsito: If he's 91, his daughter is probably also old enough to be senile herself.


That hardly seems fair. If my father were alive he'd be 93, and I'm perfectly capable of...

...of...

...nevermind. Forgot what I was going to say.
 
2013-05-15 05:14:27 PM  

A Terrible Human: A Terrible Human: ristst: The best idea is to TALK to your parents before they get too old and demented, and draw up a plan of action.

Yup. I know my mom wants to be cremated and her ashes spread or interred in her family's cemetery. My mom, sister and me are all broke as fark so there's not like there's any money to deal with. As far as my dad goes though if I heard news he died I throw a farking party.

This woman either wants a shiatload of money or they're all in on it.

So broke we can't even afford commas around here it seems.


Hey, I got some extra semi-colons you can have. If you get a chisel, you can knock the tops off and use 'em.

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2013-05-15 05:15:06 PM  
Well, I think it's safe to assume there was one foxhole he's regretting going into now

/seriously, dick move on the daughter's part
 
2013-05-15 05:15:49 PM  
http://www.gofundme.com/GrandpaJohnJPotter?utm_campaign=Emails&utm_so u rce=sendgrid.com&utm_medium=email

They got a few bucks rolling in.  They've more than doubled the reported 40k.
 
2013-05-15 05:16:56 PM  

luckyeddie: tuna fingers: WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?

He paid it off, people are raising money so he can buy it back.  Then the shiatty daughter gets that 125K.  Arsenic in her tea seems like the better solution here.

On the other hand, it could be a very, very clever scam to chisel $125k out of the poor, unsuspecting internet, $125k which he and his daughter will spend on hookers and funerals.


Dude, have you MET the internet?  It deserves to be beaten, robbed blind, and left in an alley...
 
2013-05-15 05:19:02 PM  

Babwa Wawa: FirstNationalBastard: Except she seems to have secretly and illegally transferred the house into her name, which is why she can even do this at all.

Allegedly secretly and illegally.  And if she were out for the $$, then why didn't she sell the house seven years ago?


Because according to the significantly more detailed ABC News article, she's been secretly selling off parcels of another piece of her father's property for awhile now.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306
 
2013-05-15 05:20:09 PM  
Center of her own attention, indeed.
 
2013-05-15 05:22:35 PM  
CSB - Disclaimer - I have not seen these people since I was a kid and do not consider them family.

My Aunt and Uncle lived with my Grandma in Florida.  Aunt and Uncle are in there 60's (losers).  Uncle gets Grandma to sign over power of attorney (Grandma has the onset of dementia), then promptly refinances Grandma's house to put a down payment on his own house.  He loses that house and then goes back to Grandma's house.  They put Grandma in a home thinking they can still collect her Social Security.  The home takes the SS to take care of Grandmas expenses.Aunt and Uncle wait till the house is foreclosed upon and flee to Tennessee.    Where they will remain dead to me forever.  The aristocrats.

The only upside is that other relatives helped Grandma get into a very nice care facility.
 
2013-05-15 05:23:47 PM  

GalFriday: zyrian: So people are raising money to pay off that assgoblin of a daughter? As much as I'm not a fan of the legal system, that money is better spent on blood-sucking attorneys.

As a blood-sucking attorney, I would get an injunction halting the eviction.  Then, I would get the POA reversed, then I would have the property rightfully restored to him.  Then, I would seek criminal charges against the daughter.
I don't care what excuse she uses, there is no reason for this.  NO REASON AT ALL.

I hate it when people take advantage of the elderly or the mentally disabled.


As another attorney, I'm wondering why his attorney didn't get around the statute of limitations by arguing that the transfer resulted in a constructive trust in favor of the father, and ask the court to issue an order that the property belongs to the father.
 
2013-05-15 05:23:52 PM  

Kionae: Babwa Wawa: FirstNationalBastard: Except she seems to have secretly and illegally transferred the house into her name, which is why she can even do this at all.

Allegedly secretly and illegally.  And if she were out for the $$, then why didn't she sell the house seven years ago?

Because according to the significantly more detailed ABC News article, she's been secretly selling off parcels of another piece of her father's property for awhile now.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306


Wow, from the ABC News article you linked:

"While the home is not for sale, Fraley said other family members have told her and her attorney that her mother would allow him to stay in the home if enough money could be raised to buy it."

So, raising all this money isn't even for buying the home back, she won't sell it back. . .she'll just not evict him if he pays her the cash value of the home?

What a biatch.
 
2013-05-15 05:24:05 PM  

SpectroBoy: To the skank-ho-daughter


This. The Special Hell.
 
2013-05-15 05:26:39 PM  
Sound like a family that really hates each other and the discord will be there long after Mr. Potter goes. The granddaughter dislikes her mother and if there is a rotten reason for Potter to be evicted from the house, well, she's got a built-in hate party ready to pounce on her when the situation presents itself.
 
2013-05-15 05:26:50 PM  
I went back to Ohio,
but my shiatter was gone.
 
2013-05-15 05:28:16 PM  
You cant take his house, hes too old!!

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2013-05-15 05:29:43 PM  
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2013-05-15 05:32:09 PM  

sandi_fish: CSB - Disclaimer - I have not seen these people since I was a kid and do not consider them family.

My Aunt and Uncle lived with my Grandma in Florida.  Aunt and Uncle are in there 60's (losers).  Uncle gets Grandma to sign over power of attorney (Grandma has the onset of dementia), then promptly refinances Grandma's house to put a down payment on his own house.  He loses that house and then goes back to Grandma's house.  They put Grandma in a home thinking they can still collect her Social Security.  The home takes the SS to take care of Grandmas expenses.Aunt and Uncle wait till the house is foreclosed upon and flee to Tennessee.    Where they will remain dead to me forever.  The aristocrats.

The only upside is that other relatives helped Grandma get into a very nice care facility.


If you ever have the misfortune of crossing paths with those scum, punch them in the face

/and once for me too
 
2013-05-15 05:32:41 PM  
My wife's aunt coerced her mother into leaving all her property to the aunt's son. Grandma called us saying "Faye is trying to steal everything!" Of course we assured her that sweet aunt Faye wouldn't do such a thing. A couple of years later we found out we were wrong.

/burn in Hell, witch!
 
2013-05-15 05:32:43 PM  
I smell a scam.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:14 PM  

No Time To Explain: sandi_fish: CSB - Disclaimer - I have not seen these people since I was a kid and do not consider them family.

My Aunt and Uncle lived with my Grandma in Florida.  Aunt and Uncle are in there 60's (losers).  Uncle gets Grandma to sign over power of attorney (Grandma has the onset of dementia), then promptly refinances Grandma's house to put a down payment on his own house.  He loses that house and then goes back to Grandma's house.  They put Grandma in a home thinking they can still collect her Social Security.  The home takes the SS to take care of Grandmas expenses.Aunt and Uncle wait till the house is foreclosed upon and flee to Tennessee.    Where they will remain dead to me forever.  The aristocrats.

The only upside is that other relatives helped Grandma get into a very nice care facility.

If you ever have the misfortune of crossing paths with those scum, punch them in the face

/and once for me too


You have my word on that.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:25 PM  

Ned Stark: skozlaw: As somebody who has dealt with senility in family members, I'm going to withhold judgement on this until I'm certain I know the whole story.

My grandmother had to be put in a home and that meant basically kicking her out of her house. She was too far away from family to be cared for and she was in the hospital four times in a year for heart problems. It was awful, she resented us to her grave, but there was little other choice.

You could have respected your grandmothers wishes and let her keep her own home and a little shred of dignity even if it did cost her two or three years of life that were pretty much bound to be shiat anyway. Seems like a choice to me.


There is no dignity in lying in a puddle of your own feces for several days because no one knows you fell down and starving to death is a really horrible way to go.
 
2013-05-15 05:37:16 PM  
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If that is the daughter, she ought to be ASHAMED of herself. I'm sure she will have some tale as to why she feels her actions are justified but it is clear that forgiveness is not in her character.
 
2013-05-15 05:41:57 PM  

FormlessOne: Why does my cynical heart see this as "I want to give my kids $125,000, but I can't figure out how to drum up the cash... I know! I'll engineer a fake 'eviction', and then beg online for folks to send me cash to 'buy back' my home from my child. They get $125,000, I get my house back, I never actually get evicted, and nothing actually happens!"

Call me when he's homeless. I'll take it seriously then.


Precisely what I was thinking.  I did a quick page search on "fake" to see if it had been mentioned yet before I said anything and there you were.  I don't think it's cynical at all, by the way.  A family of grifters is just as likely as the "horrible daughter" story.
 
2013-05-15 05:42:43 PM  
Instead of trying to buy the house back for him, the granddaughter should have her mother and stepfather whacked.
 
2013-05-15 05:42:53 PM  

RedT: DubtodaIll: Why do we automatically accept the innocence of old people? Bad people get old too, we don't know much about the history of this guy and his kids. I lot of old people I know are exceptional and experienced liars.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that he is a bad guy.  Child molester, Nazi in hiding, puppy stomper, you name it.

Karma's a biatch and all, but...
How does this give his daughter any legal right to steal his house and kick him out?


That isn't what gives her the legal right. That's what gives her the moral right. She acquired the legal right elsewhere.

In just about ever child molestation thread, I hear people propose with all seriousness any number of extralegal punishments for child abusers. People expect and want them to be tortured in prison, and harassed for life upon release. I'd say getting evicted from your home at 91 is a pretty mild punishment for emotionally destroying your child.

Of course, if that is her motive, she can't say so publicly until he's dead. Civil liability and all. Even then she might not want to say anything to the press just for the sake of her granddaughter and other family members.
 
2013-05-15 05:49:43 PM  

kbronsito: if she is just being an evil greedy biatch, I hope her kids learn from her example and avenge grandpa by behaving in exactly the same way.


Maybe she did learn by example and is avenging her grandparents.
 
2013-05-15 05:55:30 PM  

Baz744: RedT: DubtodaIll: Why do we automatically accept the innocence of old people? Bad people get old too, we don't know much about the history of this guy and his kids. I lot of old people I know are exceptional and experienced liars.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that he is a bad guy.  Child molester, Nazi in hiding, puppy stomper, you name it.

Karma's a biatch and all, but...
How does this give his daughter any legal right to steal his house and kick him out?

That isn't what gives her the legal right. That's what gives her the moral right. She acquired the legal right elsewhere.

In just about ever child molestation thread, I hear people propose with all seriousness any number of extralegal punishments for child abusers. People expect and want them to be tortured in prison, and harassed for life upon release. I'd say getting evicted from your home at 91 is a pretty mild punishment for emotionally destroying your child.

Of course, if that is her motive, she can't say so publicly until he's dead. Civil liability and all. Even then she might not want to say anything to the press just for the sake of her granddaughter and other family members.


Another disturbing possibility: The grandfather's abused his autistic son in some way, and she's acting in payback for the way he treated her brother, and is using the funds to pay for the brother's care. That would explain why she doesn't want to talk publicly about it and why the grandfather keeps trying to take them to court over visitation.

Really, we can come up with what-ifs all day long. The story at the moment is very one-sided and I'm not willing to buy into it enough to donate.
 
2013-05-15 05:58:23 PM  
We had an old man in our community who couldn't take care of himself.  He lived in a house his daughter owned

I don't know the details, but she decided the only thing she could do was evict him.    The Sheriff was scheduled to arrive at 9:30 pm to escort him off the property.

At 8:30pm, the fire department was called.    He has poured a container of gasoline on the floors of the garage and kitchen.   Opened all the doors and windows, lit it, then gone out to the front lawn to watch it while he drank a beer.

When the beer was gone, he killed himself with a shotgun.    This could get a lot worse for this family

/tripped over his body, in the dark, trying to pull a firehouse around to the garage
//saved the house, was repaired and a new family living there in less than 6 months
 
2013-05-15 06:02:19 PM  
What, no one has bothered to look up other stories yet?

Link


Apparently the grandfather was also being a dickbag about the 63 year old Autistic son.

Also:

"Janice [Cottril] has refused to comment on the story, but Dean did tell WCMH the couple was willing to let Potter stay in his home if he stopped trying to take them to court over Joe."
Whole family full of winners, sounds like the granddaughter needs to butt out.
 
2013-05-15 06:04:25 PM  

drb9: I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.


I wonder about that as well.
 
2013-05-15 06:04:55 PM  
Jesus.  I would sell everything I own for my dad if he needed it.  I don't know what's going on here.
 
2013-05-15 06:07:26 PM  

ph0rk: What, no one has bothered to look up other stories yet?

Link


Apparently the grandfather was also being a dickbag about the 63 year old Autistic son.

Also:

"Janice [Cottril] has refused to comment on the story, but Dean did tell WCMH the couple was willing to let Potter stay in his home if he stopped trying to take them to court over Joe."
Whole family full of winners, sounds like the granddaughter needs to butt out.


So he wanted to be able to see his kid but they said no and therefore he's an asshole.
 
2013-05-15 06:09:56 PM  

sycraft: In part for human contact, as well as food.


Kinda like why I goto hooters.
 
2013-05-15 06:16:02 PM  
I used to think my family was disfunctional, but stories like this prove we are about as good as it gets.

My dad (passed last month) gave my brother full power of attorney.  My brother got my dad to get a reverse mortgage on the house.  No, my brother wasn't pulling off a scam.  He made sure my dad got a good monthly income from the mortgage company that would sustain him.  None of us were interested in getting the house so it was a good deal all around.  As for dividing up the personal effects.  There have been no arguments other than us having to INSIST my nephew take his grandfather's .22 rifle and acoustic guitar, DAMN IT!

After the service we swapped stories.  My niece loved the one about her grandfather punching out his cousin JG Wentworth when they were teenagers.  Yes.  That JG Wentworth.  The guy was an asshole.
 
2013-05-15 06:18:55 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


This. More details are needed. Given how common that scenario is,  I'd consider it a valid possibility.

A dear, dear friend of mine is going through that right now, and the poor old lady has already been scammed, beaten by home invaders, robbed, had a bad fall and worse. She can't understand why her grandkids are trying to get her out of her house despite the fact that the neighborhood has seriously deteriorated around her, her family all live far, far away and she really can't care for herself anymore, plus she refuses to go to a facility. And my friend, her brother and their respective spouses refuse to have her go to one, especially since their grandfather died in a VA hospital when they were small.

So my poor friend has her grandmother 'visiting for the summer' in her upstairs guestroom now and has been painstakingly converting her basement into as close a replica of the little ranch house as she can manage. I've been helping her photograph, pack, move and replace pieces of furniture, knick-knacks and all sorts of things from the house five hours away to her downstairs (we're going in sections,) my husband and friend's husband have installed a chair lift, LED-backed false windows tuned to the natural light, all the ADA-compliance bells and whistles, and friend's little daughter, who is four, has been 'keeping Gam-Gam company' while the adults do this. We got her a little pay-as-you-go cellphone and if Gam-Gam needs an adult, the little girl can text and get one of us from downstairs in seconds while protecting the old lady's dignity.

Friend's brother and his wife live too far away to really help, but they've been sending money and Skyping with Gam-Gam whenever we have a task that needs all four adults, like moving in the head and footboards the old lady is used to and assembling them around the nice adjustable hospital-bed so it's more functional but still as pretty. (Good lord, did that take a butt-load of work! We had to essentially design a new frame that went under and around the hospital bed, but still held the head and footboards up with the strength needed for an older lady to lean against them when needed. The husbands welded it together out of pipes, angle iron and scraps from the junkyard, then we ladies bolted on connectors that matched the antique bed's rails so the head and footies go on right where they'd be with the original bed, Rust-Oleum'd the whole shebang flat brown to blend in against the floor and only THEN could we move it in in three sections and assemble the whole shebang. It was epic and the boys say we'll totally put it up on Instructables as soon as they do up better CAD drawings.)

My friend's father, who is estranged from his mother and kind of a dickbag, thinks friend is nuts for putting all this effort into making a comfortable, sanity-and-dignity-preserving abode for the old lady. It hasn't cost her more than a few thousand dollars and since she's already a work-from-home mom whose daughter is very bright, it's really not SO bad to take the responsibility on, but friend really did not take her ass-pocket dad's remarks well.

So she let the four-year-old 'take reffence pictures' of Grandpa's house with a digital camera "so I can make my basement look right when you're old." Preschoolers are surprisingly good at a point well made.

My gift to the dear old lady, who has been unbelievably kind to my friend and I since we were little girls, is having season-appropriate transparencies made of the view from her house's windows and installing them with magnets behind the glass of the LED-backed false windows, so the basement even looks that much more like her home, and I've also built a fake fireplace that slots into her old woodstove so it will still seem real. In her more lucid moments, she's said that she loves us all for bringing her home to her now that it's getting so hard to keep up, but when her mind wanders, it's like she can't imagine she's anyplace else but the home she and her late husband had since the Forties.

I only pray that my future grandchildren are anything like my friend.
 
2013-05-15 06:19:51 PM  
Man I hope I die before I get old. This shiat is heartbreaking, whether the daughter is doing good by her father or breaking it off inside his ass, this is a bummer.
 
2013-05-15 06:26:19 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


This bears repeating. Similar situation with my father.

Gonna go cry now.
 
2013-05-15 06:30:49 PM  

weiserfireman: We had an old man in our community who couldn't take care of himself.  He lived in a house his daughter owned
I don't know the details, but she decided the only thing she could do was evict him.    The Sheriff was scheduled to arrive at 9:30 pm to escort him off the property.
At 8:30pm, the fire department was called.    He has poured a container of gasoline on the floors of the garage and kitchen.   Opened all the doors and windows, lit it, then gone out to the front lawn to watch it while he drank a beer.
When the beer was gone, he killed himself with a shotgun.    This could get a lot worse for this family
/tripped over his body, in the dark, trying to pull a firehouse around to the garage
//saved the house, was repaired and a new family living there in less than 6 months



Wow. That is an absolutely terrible story. I'm so sorry.  If he couldnt take care of himself, how is evicting him going to help matters?  She is partly responsible for that outcome.
 
2013-05-15 06:34:08 PM  

alaric3: He's old enough to kill his children with impunity right?


Only with his bare hands.

/29 more years until he gets to be President.
//Patton Oswalt FTW
 
2013-05-15 06:37:59 PM  

mesmer242: Baz744: RedT: DubtodaIll: Why do we automatically accept the innocence of old people? Bad people get old too, we don't know much about the history of this guy and his kids. I lot of old people I know are exceptional and experienced liars.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that he is a bad guy.  Child molester, Nazi in hiding, puppy stomper, you name it.

Karma's a biatch and all, but...
How does this give his daughter any legal right to steal his house and kick him out?

That isn't what gives her the legal right. That's what gives her the moral right. She acquired the legal right elsewhere.

In just about ever child molestation thread, I hear people propose with all seriousness any number of extralegal punishments for child abusers. People expect and want them to be tortured in prison, and harassed for life upon release. I'd say getting evicted from your home at 91 is a pretty mild punishment for emotionally destroying your child.

Of course, if that is her motive, she can't say so publicly until he's dead. Civil liability and all. Even then she might not want to say anything to the press just for the sake of her granddaughter and other family members.

Another disturbing possibility: The grandfather's abused his autistic son in some way, and she's acting in payback for the way he treated her brother, and is using the funds to pay for the brother's care. That would explain why she doesn't want to talk publicly about it and why the grandfather keeps trying to take them to court over visitation.

Really, we can come up with what-ifs all day long. The story at the moment is very one-sided and I'm not willing to buy into it enough to donate.


This.

I'm surprised how many people are willing to jump to outrage because the daughter isn't addressing the media. First thought that occurred to me was potential abuse of the brother. Forget just taking care of himself, this old man was looking after a handicapped senior as well, one can only wonder how well. It's likely there is much more to this story.
 
2013-05-15 06:38:24 PM  

Orange-Pippin: weiserfireman: We had an old man in our community who couldn't take care of himself.  He lived in a house his daughter owned
I don't know the details, but she decided the only thing she could do was evict him.    The Sheriff was scheduled to arrive at 9:30 pm to escort him off the property.
At 8:30pm, the fire department was called.    He has poured a container of gasoline on the floors of the garage and kitchen.   Opened all the doors and windows, lit it, then gone out to the front lawn to watch it while he drank a beer.
When the beer was gone, he killed himself with a shotgun.    This could get a lot worse for this family
/tripped over his body, in the dark, trying to pull a firehouse around to the garage
//saved the house, was repaired and a new family living there in less than 6 months


Wow. That is an absolutely terrible story. I'm so sorry.  If he couldnt take care of himself, how is evicting him going to help matters?  She is partly responsible for that outcome.


The police department had all of his weapons in protective custody, because everyone involved thought he would be suicidal or violent.    He traded a neighbor a rubber raft for the shotgun the day before.
 
2013-05-15 06:39:32 PM  

Orange-Pippin: She is partly responsible for that outcome.


No.  No one is responsible for the old man setting the house on fire and killing himself but the old man.  No one could make that decision but him.  Besides, I think the idea with the eviction is to force the community service agencies or state to assume care.  For many programs the old person needs to have very little personal income or be indigent.  Not my preferred method, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
2013-05-15 06:40:34 PM  
Warthog * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-05-15 04:24:29 PM WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house? I took from the article that he owned the house, then the daughter fraudulently transferred it to her name. The money they are trying to raise is to buy back the house the daughter essentially stole.
-------------------------------------------------------

Yes. According to the article, he gave her Power of Attorney over him in case of him going all 'old age'. She decided to transfer the deed to herself, which is illegal. He sued, but apparently the statute of limitations had passed by that time.
 
2013-05-15 06:41:09 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.


So much this. it could be either. A lot of elderly people don't recognize their own deterioration and are in (increasing)danger if they stay in their own home. It could be the daughter is just a cold, greedy jerk too. But I wouldn't judge without hearing both sides.
 
2013-05-15 06:44:35 PM  
There seems to be a squabble over visitation rights with his special needs son.

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/on/vet-john-potter-eviction-daughter/

The daughter then chose to evict him. It's unclear whether the son lives with him or her and exactly who wants to visit him. The POA also gives her guardianship of the son.

BTW. I was unable to GIS anything on the 'bad' daughter. Only the 'good' daughter showed up.

Either way, no one should throw the old man out of his own house, especially at his age, due to a family spat. All of this aggravation can seriously be affecting his health which can cause him an early death. At 91 it's a marvel he has all of his mental facilities left and seems to be in quite good health.

I've read the comments about how this might be a scam, but I kind of doubt it. It's gotten a lot of coverage by other news media.

I have a Durable POA for my mom, who I take care of. I also am on the deed to the home, placed there when one family member expressed concern over her decision to initially do so. Other family members promptly moved to get me on the deed and did so.

Interestingly enough, the family member who expressed doubt is the most well off of them all.

I've made it absolutely clear to all of my Mom's physicians that putting her in a home is out of the question. I already know that if she was ever sent to one that within a year she'd be dead.

She built the house we live in with my late Dad. She raised us kids there. The back yard has 50+ years of cherished family pets buried there. We have two cats and one (insane) Chihuahua and she's happy with them and being in her own home. Built in 1958, it's a bit run down and needs fixing, but it's her home.

Almost everything in it has cherished memories attached. At night she goes to bed in her own room of many years. During the day, she looks out at the windows at the yard she landscaped time and time again. She can still tell me where her Lilies of decades ago were.

I assume it's something like that for the old man. He knows every creak and joint in the house. He'll probably recall where one of his daughters spilled her juice when she was little. The house is familiar and comfortable, worn in to fit him like an old glove. It's helping to prolong his life and health.

It seems to me that it's getting harder to toss out squatters and easier to toss out long term owner/builders.
 
2013-05-15 06:47:24 PM  

gadian: Orange-Pippin: She is partly responsible for that outcome.

No.  No one is responsible for the old man setting the house on fire and killing himself but the old man.  No one could make that decision but him.  Besides, I think the idea with the eviction is to force the community service agencies or state to assume care.  For many programs the old person needs to have very little personal income or be indigent.  Not my preferred method, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.


I can see what your saying but forcing eviction so the "state can assume" care (which I guess is quite possibly this womans motive) isn't right. Think about it, you live in a home for years, maybe decades. Your daughter decides she wants to do things on the cheap and force the state to care for him as a indigent and then forces your eviction at a very elderly age. Are you going to go willingly to one of those horrible places? I was an Paramedic and you wouldn't believe the things I saw at Care Facilities for the poor--abuse, mental intimidation, the works. Sorry, but she's partly to blame and hopefuly she'll make ammends.
 
2013-05-15 06:49:01 PM  
Looks like this is the gist of the matter:

When contacted by AOL Real Estate, Janice Cottrill and her husband, Dean, declined to comment. Their lawyer, Lorene Johnston, told AOL Real Estate that Potter and Fraley are "attempting to stir up public sentiment for themselves." She called the upcoming eviction hearing "a simple eviction process for someone who doesn't own the home and doesn't pay any rent."
Dean Cottrill did tell WCMH, which first reported this story, that Potter had been filing suit against him and Janice for visitation rights with his son. "For him to stay in that home, it is real simple. Leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," Dean Cottrill told WCMH, referring to Potter's autistic son.

(http://realestate.aol.com/blog/on/vet-john-potter-eviction-daughter / )

Not clear why the evil daughter wants the father from visiting the autistic son; apparently there's been some legal battles there. But evil daughter is definitely pulling an evil trick by kicking him out of his house.
 
2013-05-15 06:49:40 PM  
Not sure if it's been posted yet, but here's her Facebook page if anyone wants to "look" at it.  https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7?fref=ts">https://www.faceb ook.com/janice.cottrill.7?fref=ts
 
2013-05-15 06:50:11 PM  

James!: I'd have to know more about the family before I can judge the daughter.  She may have a perfectly valid reason to kick the old coot to the curb.


Given that her own daughter is spearheading the campaign to keep the old man in the house, it's safe to say the daughter is an evil whore.
 
2013-05-15 07:03:15 PM  
GalFriday:

**NOTE TO ALL FARKERS** Never give your Power of Attorney for money and your Power of Attorney for health to the same person.

Why not, if you don't mind my asking.  I was POA for my mom, both medical and financial, when she was terminally ill.  It was truly a horrendously frightening position to be in, but she didn't trust anyone else to not take advantage of her.
 
2013-05-15 07:06:11 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: drb9: I didn't bother to see if someone else raised this possibility already:  This is just a clever scheme by the grandfather, mother, and daughter to scam the public out of $125,000.

Was suspicious of this as well.

Also possible is the theory that he's not capable of taking care of himself and this is their method of getting him into a nursing home.  I had a neighbor who's kids had to do that.  Woman was a danger to herself.  Sweet, nice old lady, I helped her when I could but she was going to kill herself if she kept on like that.


I bought my first house almost 5 years ago now, and met the old lady across the street not long afterwards, as one of her lightbulbs in a 2-bulb fixture burned out and she was afraid to turn it on lest a fire start.  All the spare bulbs in her house had already been used and burned out.  There were probably 10 of them.  I fetched a replacement bulb from my house, and informed her that she could throw away the old ones.  In subsequent years, as I've returned to replace additional lightbulbs, the collection of burned bulbs has just gone up and up...

One night her security light that she leaves on in her kitchen had burned out.  I was gone when she called, but the message she left was absolutely the saddest message I'd heard in like ever...  She was absolutely terrified about not having this light bulb available.  Nevermind that she had other light fixtures in the kitchen that could have accomplished the same thing (blinds drawn, just need light from SOMEWHERE to make it seem like someone is home).

She's 90+ years old.  Husband has been dead for 20 years.  Lives alone, and I never see anyone but family and her helper stop by.  Hired helper comes once a week.  Her son lives about an hour away, but I rarely see him and his family.  When she walks around the house she has to steady herself on a wall or other objects.   I'm surprised she hasn't fallen yet, that I know of.

It's just a sad, sad circumstance.  I know I'm going to come home one day and there's going to be an ambulance there, and it'll be because she's dead or she fell and almost died.  She really should be in an assisted facility, or have a full-time helper.  I just hope when I get to be old and batty, me or my kids will have enough sense to get me into a nice home, or get me full-time help.

CSSB :(
 
2013-05-15 07:08:51 PM  

Orange-Pippin: I can see what your saying but forcing eviction so the "state can assume" care (which I guess is quite possibly this womans motive) isn't right. Think about it, you live in a home for years, maybe decades. Your daughter decides she wants to do things on the cheap and force the state to care for him as a indigent and then forces your eviction at a very elderly age. Are you going to go willingly to one of those horrible places? I was an Paramedic and you wouldn't believe the things I saw at Care Facilities for the poor--abuse, mental intimidation, the works. Sorry, but she's partly to blame and hopefuly she'll make ammends.


There's unwilling to go and then there's setting a house on fire and shooting yourself.  Suicide is the ultimate act of personal responsibility and choice, don't cheapen it with "she made him do it".  I've seen horrible Care Facilities like you mention, but I've also seen elderly unable to care for themselves at home.  Old women with cockroaches climbing around their mouths while they veg in front of the TV, men who've been on a floor for days and sobbing, covered in their own excrement, on and on.  It's not a good option, but sometimes a state home is the better choice.
 
2013-05-15 07:13:40 PM  
A.  Utterly destroy the inside of the house.

B.  Use money to buy nice little place.

Live out your days wit the sweet pleasure of your daughter not getting one dime of the donated funds.
 
2013-05-15 07:31:00 PM  
i say castrate her
 
2013-05-15 07:38:04 PM  
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the grand daughter who setup the GoFundMe.com plea is working with her mother to fleece the public out of their cash. Haven't we seen many stories of fake cancer patients making money off of donations?
 
2013-05-15 07:48:53 PM  

willfullyobscure: She's on Facebook. yeeeesssshhh.


So is her daughter, the nice one. With photos of her and Grandpa.

A post from April includes this gem: "My mother states she needs money and selling his house is the only way to get it."

Also included: pics of daughter being athletic and such. Have fun, guys!
 
2013-05-15 07:49:46 PM  
The only way this could justified is if he abused her horribly as a child.
 
2013-05-15 07:57:56 PM  
The daughter needs to hook up with the guy who stole his wife's insurance money. She could give birth to the anti-christ... or a GOP Presidential candidate.
 
2013-05-15 08:01:12 PM  
When my paternal grandmother died my dad didn't get anything because in her will it said he had borrowed $87,000 throughout her life. My sister me got $100 a piece. My two aunts got around $500,000 from the insurance company while my family lived less than 50 feet away living on food stamps.
/My dad probably deserved getting cut out but what the hell did me and my sister do?
 
2013-05-15 08:31:09 PM  
Put me in the "This is a scam" crowd.  This is just way too fishy.  According to their FundMe site, they already have over $100k.  In either circumstance, that biatch needs a serious beatdown.
 
2013-05-15 08:38:41 PM  
Someone needs a 95mph coontpunch.
 
2013-05-15 08:43:55 PM  

OgreMagi: I used to think my family was disfunctional, but stories like this prove we are about as good as it gets.

My dad (passed last month) gave my brother full power of attorney.  My brother got my dad to get a reverse mortgage on the house.  No, my brother wasn't pulling off a scam.  He made sure my dad got a good monthly income from the mortgage company that would sustain him.  None of us were interested in getting the house so it was a good deal all around.  As for dividing up the personal effects.  There have been no arguments other than us having to INSIST my nephew take his grandfather's .22 rifle and acoustic guitar, DAMN IT!

After the service we swapped stories.  My niece loved the one about her grandfather punching out his cousin JG Wentworth when they were teenagers.  Yes.  That JG Wentworth.  The guy was an asshole.


The guy who buys out your settlements?

Seems scammy to me just in principal.
 
2013-05-15 08:55:07 PM  

A Terrible Human: When my paternal grandmother died my dad didn't get anything because in her will it said he had borrowed $87,000 throughout her life. My sister me got $100 a piece. My two aunts got around $500,000 from the insurance company while my family lived less than 50 feet away living on food stamps.
/My dad probably deserved getting cut out but what the hell did me and my sister do?


Good question. What did you do for your grandmother. Did you stop by and visit? Help out cleaning her windows?
 
2013-05-15 08:58:43 PM  

Hollie Maea: A few years ago, my grandpa got to the point in which he could no longer afford to live at his place.  My parents bought the house from him, and told him he could live there rent free for the rest of his days, no questions asked.

Because they aren't complete and utter assholes.


Maybe not, but I can guarantee that others don't feel the same way.

My friend recently did the same thing with his grandparents. They had retired and paid off the house, but not the taxes associated with it. After decades of unpaid bills they were threatened with eviction by the banks so they can sell their home to pay off the debts. My friend stepped in and bought the house, paid off their outstanding debt, and they are living out their days happily and rent free.

My friend on the other hand is extremely bitter, and always complains about how a substantial chunk of his income is going to a mortgage for a house he doesn't even live in, and to grandparents who were so financially irresponsible that it's leaving him without the means to start a family and get a house of his own.

He tells me he's just waiting for them to drop dead or go into a home so he can put his money to good use.
 
2013-05-15 09:21:35 PM  

GalFriday: **NOTE TO ALL FARKERS** Never give your Power of Attorney for money and your Power of Attorney for health to the same person.


Some of us don't really have a choice.  At this point there's only one person in the world that I would trust with either.
 
2013-05-15 09:32:23 PM  

weiserfireman: Orange-Pippin: weiserfireman: We had an old man in our community who couldn't take care of himself.  He lived in a house his daughter owned
I don't know the details, but she decided the only thing she could do was evict him.    The Sheriff was scheduled to arrive at 9:30 pm to escort him off the property.
At 8:30pm, the fire department was called.    He has poured a container of gasoline on the floors of the garage and kitchen.   Opened all the doors and windows, lit it, then gone out to the front lawn to watch it while he drank a beer.
When the beer was gone, he killed himself with a shotgun.    This could get a lot worse for this family
/tripped over his body, in the dark, trying to pull a firehouse around to the garage
//saved the house, was repaired and a new family living there in less than 6 months


Wow. That is an absolutely terrible story. I'm so sorry.  If he couldnt take care of himself, how is evicting him going to help matters?  She is partly responsible for that outcome.

The police department had all of his weapons in protective custody, because everyone involved thought he would be suicidal or violent.    He traded a neighbor a rubber raft for the shotgun the day before.


Hopefully she was trying to get him to live in a care home. Some aren't too bad, and people can have the help/supervision they need.

Most people here haven't worked with elderly. I have. Some  quickly deteriorate to the point where they are a danger to themselves(and occasionally,others living nearby). I've seen people try to use toilet bowl cleaner as soap to wash a facecloth. I've found gas stoves left on and empty pots burnt.Some people can't bathe/change their clothes/use the toilet properly, and that leaves them very susceptable to infection.Some will take 3 extra doses of meds one day and none for the next week.Obviously, it can hospitalize them with some non too pleasant side effects. Some can't tell the difference between spoiled food and good food.Remember that super fat dog? Owned by two elderly with dementia.Yes, they will almost always insist they want to be at home and don't want to be in a care home. And they will almost always insist any of their children who think they shouldn't be living at home are evil and trying to take advantage of them. In reality, this is a very difficult decision, and one usually made because family cannot deal with the constant crises stemming from them not being able to properly care for themselves.

Now, I'm not saying there aren't real jerkwads out there who are generally grifting off grandpa, but I am saying that these kind of things aren't always cut and dried as some of you think.
 
2013-05-15 09:34:52 PM  

A Terrible Human: When my paternal grandmother died my dad didn't get anything because in her will it said he had borrowed $87,000 throughout her life. My sister me got $100 a piece. My two aunts got around $500,000 from the insurance company while my family lived less than 50 feet away living on food stamps.
/My dad probably deserved getting cut out but what the hell did me and my sister do?


Exodus 20-5: "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,"

See you hated God and now He's exacting his revenge. Oh, and your kids and grandkids are faked, too.

/;)
 
2013-05-15 09:36:59 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oh, and your kids and grandkids are faked, too.


faked = farked...
 
2013-05-15 10:02:17 PM  

alaric3: He's old enough to kill his children with impunity right?


Nope, he can litter, another 3 years and he can steal anything he can carry. Then just a few more until legal murder.
 
2013-05-15 10:11:20 PM  
Between this lady, the guy in Columbus and the Boston bombing dude, I think it's high time we bring back scaphism as a form of execution.
 
2013-05-15 10:37:53 PM  

kbronsito: ha-ha-guy: Well this could either be a heartless move by a scumbag child or a logical move to put a senile parent in a facility that can actually care for him.  We pretty much had to drag my great aunt out her house kicking and screaming.  She was a 10 hour drive from the nearest family, had fallen for three of those "reseal your driveway scams", had fallen multiple times in the shower, and was living off delivery from the local pizza place.  The thing that provoked her forcible removal was the pizza place worried when she didn't call for two days, a driver stopped by, and found her in the bathroom where she had fallen.

She went to her grave ranting how we stole her house from her and such.

If he's 91, his daughter is probably also old enough to be senile herself.

if she is just being an evil greedy biatch, I hope her kids learn from her example and avenge grandpa by behaving in exactly the same way.


You do realise that Western Society is not setup for very old, in other words needing nursing style care, old people to stay in the family home.

Most women are at work.
Families are smaller

In other words there is no one for a lot of the time to take care of the old person.  We need to stop the guilt trip on people and accept that when you get old you need to factor in a nursing home stint and a facilitated retirement village.
 
2013-05-15 10:47:14 PM  

Orange-Pippin: [i.imgur.com image 529x403]

If that is the daughter, she ought to be ASHAMED of herself. I'm sure she will have some tale as to why she feels her actions are justified but it is clear that forgiveness is not in her character.


Damn that is one punchable face...
 
2013-05-15 11:01:26 PM  
He looks like he needs assisted living quarters.  He sounds like the kind of guy that would resist that to the point of doing something to leave him dying an agonizing death on the floor by himself while the flames slowly crept in.  But given all the information we have here, there's a big missing piece.  But when have an absence of the other side of the story stopped the hate stew from brewing?
 
2013-05-15 11:20:24 PM  
She's hot. When does she wanna 'christen' the house???
 
2013-05-15 11:25:38 PM  

Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


It's the granddaughter quoted there, not the thieving daughter.
 
2013-05-15 11:28:39 PM  
Jesus. If your kids are more worried about getting your crap when you die than they are about you dying, you probably failed as a parent. When grandma goes, all I want is her old piano that she played for my children on.
 
2013-05-15 11:38:21 PM  

Ned Stark: skozlaw: As somebody who has dealt with senility in family members, I'm going to withhold judgement on this until I'm certain I know the whole story.

My grandmother had to be put in a home and that meant basically kicking her out of her house. She was too far away from family to be cared for and she was in the hospital four times in a year for heart problems. It was awful, she resented us to her grave, but there was little other choice.

You could have respected your grandmothers wishes and let her keep her own home and a little shred of dignity even if it did cost her two or three years of life that were pretty much bound to be shiat anyway. Seems like a choice to me.


CSB

My 65 year old grandmother is the only of her 4 siblings to visit my 94 yesr old great grandmother in her home. On mothers day. So G grandma starts freaking out saying she's only there to get her money. Says she's going to get a gun and shoot her. So grandma does the logical thing and calls the cops. Cop goes inside. "Ma'am, did you threaten to shoot your daughter?" "YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!" She goes over to her nightstand and pulls out a snub nose .38. Not long after that we moved her to assisted living. And seriously? Her money? Her house was worth 15 grand, MAYBE. She had zero savings.
 
2013-05-15 11:48:01 PM  
Instead of paying the biatch $125,000 There are Mexican cartels that will make sure she has a slow painful death.
 
2013-05-16 01:59:26 AM  
My mom's 80, has had Parkinson's for at least 15 years, dementia is getting pretty bad. She's in AL, which sucks, but she simply cannot be left alone for more than a few hours. It's brutal when your parents break down.
 
2013-05-16 05:25:08 AM  
Typical old people and their entitlements.
 
2013-05-16 05:49:20 AM  

WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?


Where does it say that there's any money owed on the house ?

Oh wait, it doesn't.
 
2013-05-16 05:52:57 AM  

Warthog: WhippingBoy: 56 years and he couldn't pay off his house?

I took from the article that he owned the house, then the daughter fraudulently transferred it to her name.  The money they are trying to raise is to buy back the house the daughter essentially stole.


"Fraudulently" is yet to be determined. She clearly had the legal right to do with the property as she saw fit. Could have deeded it to herself for any number of legitimate reasons.

Think before you FARK.
 
2013-05-16 06:27:34 AM  
people can be so common.
 
2013-05-16 08:27:51 AM  

jmr61: "Fraudulently" is yet to be determined. She clearly had the legal right to do with the property as she saw fit. Could have deeded it to herself for any number of legitimate reasons.


Actually, according to TFA and the ABC News article linked to in this thread, no, she didn't have the legal right to deed the property to herself, that was a specific legal restriction on her Power of Attorney.

However, although the transfer was illegal, it wasn't discovered until 2010, and apparently the illegal transfer had a 4 year statute of limitations to undo it. . .so while it was transferred illegally, they can't undo it because they didn't discover the title on the house had been transferred until too late.
 
2013-05-16 08:58:03 AM  
octopied:

Most people here haven't worked with elderly. I have. Some  quickly deteriorate to the point where they are a danger to themselves(and occasionally,others living nearby). I've seen people try to use toilet bowl cleaner as soap to wash a facecloth. I've found gas stoves left on and empty pots burnt.Some people can't bathe/change their clothes/use the toilet properly, and that leaves them very susceptable to infection.Some will take 3 extra doses of meds one day and none for the next week.Obviously, it can hospitalize them with some non too pleasant side effects. Some can't tell the difference between spoiled food and good food.Remember t ...

Maybe I haven't worked with the elderly... but i do have a lot of friends who are stoners and a lot of these things apply.
 
2013-05-16 10:27:59 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I was thinking "what a coont" until I saw this: "my grandfather deserves to stay in his home as long as he possibly can."   Which prompted me to speculate that there might be more to this than just an old man getting evicted by his daughter.  The guy might be unable to live safely by himself, and the daughter is using the only legal mechanism she has to get the fella into a more safe environment.


What? Relevant personal experience instead of uninformed kneejerk reactionism? Am I still on Fark?
 
2013-05-16 04:23:36 PM  
Never would have happened if he used these instead:

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2013-05-16 06:16:53 PM  

wademh: Good question. What did you do for your grandmother. Did you stop by and visit? Help out cleaning her windows?


I visited her every single day,cause her house was less than 50ft away from the trailer my family lived in. I'd stay with her when my aunt needed to go to store after she got to such a point with the cancer that it was hard for her to move. I dunno what I did wrong but I'm guessing all will crap that was over how much of an asshole my dad was.
 
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