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2013-05-15 05:26:28 PM

Infernalist: Your mere existence as a member of the social majority in this country has given you advantages that you've plainly never even considered.

For example: When was the last time you were stopped because you resembled a suspected perpetrator of a nearby crime?


I don't follow what you're arguing here.  Minorities get stopped by cops more often, therefore they deserve special treatment in college admissions, scholarships, hiring practices and so on?

Wait, that's not it.  Are you saying "some cops are racist against minorities, therefore it's okay to allow  societal racism against whites?"

Because I'll tell you what, I bet a few white people would be more than happy to drop by the local PD a few times a year if it gets their kids access to the same college scholarships and lower college admissions requirements.
 
2013-05-15 05:26:35 PM

jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.


Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically.  But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.
 
2013-05-15 05:27:23 PM

Corvus: randomjsa: I agree.

Now do away with all scholarships based on race or gender. While you're at it, do away with all student organizations based around race or gender. I'll even go whole hog and say do away with all majors that are centered around race or gender studies.

Cool can we get rid of scholarships based on sports too and make it completely academic based and give admittance only based on merit not on ability to pay or if you parents donated money or went to the school?


Athletic ability is merit, you idiot.
 
2013-05-15 05:27:47 PM

rewind2846: Lowest unemployment rates, lowest underemployment rates, highest incomes, etc etc etc.


Nope.
 
2013-05-15 05:27:52 PM

SirEattonHogg: The idea that an elimination of a race-based scholarship offered by the respected university (as opposed to a private scholarship which might be acceptable) is some kind of injustice for whites is nonsense.


What sort of "private" scholarship would be acceptable? This one was started by an individual, and is administered by JP Morgan Chase.

The idea that an elimination of a race-based scholarship for whites, while similar scholarships for non-whites continue to exist, somehow represents equality and is not an injustice to whites, is nonsense.

SirEattonHogg: Any other issues or complaints you wish to note that are so unfair to whites? The existence of BET perhaps?


Ah. So you're definitely not interested in actual conversation - merely in debating your own strawmen and trivializations of your opponents' arguments. Carry on, then.

At least now I can rest assured that we whites are immune to unfair race-based policies, because "nonsense."
 
2013-05-15 05:29:35 PM

Infernalist: Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?


That's a great point.  But you've lost yourself.  That great point directly contradicts your argument.  We're arguing against using race.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, do african-americans need an african americans-only scholarship?
 
2013-05-15 05:30:56 PM
I guess I need to be more clever. I'm going to set up an "Ultraviolet Overexposure Award" to the student from Oregon with the worst sunburn.
 
2013-05-15 05:32:39 PM

lennavan: Infernalist: Your mere existence as a member of the social majority in this country has given you advantages that you've plainly never even considered.

For example: When was the last time you were stopped because you resembled a suspected perpetrator of a nearby crime?

I don't follow what you're arguing here.  Minorities get stopped by cops more often, therefore they deserve special treatment in college admissions, scholarships, hiring practices and so on?

Wait, that's not it.  Are you saying "some cops are racist against minorities, therefore it's okay to allow  societal racism against whites?"

Because I'll tell you what, I bet a few white people would be more than happy to drop by the local PD a few times a year if it gets their kids access to the same college scholarships and lower college admissions requirements.


What I'm saying, very plainly and very simply, is that being white means never getting pulled over because you vaguely resemble a suspect in a nearby crime.

Being white means, you never get automatically and quietly rejected for employment or from qualifying for a house/apartment because you're white.

You start off at first base, while everyone else has to successfully hit to get on base.

Being white is awesome.  Go check out the Chris Rock skit on being white.
 
2013-05-15 05:32:55 PM

Bumblefark: the money is in the banana stand: The people that get "worked up" about reverse racism are more so those that do not want discrimination of ANY kind, be it white only, black only, etc. events/scholarships.

The people who get worked up about reverse racism are entitled white folks with a persecution complex afraid that the darkies might ever benefit from the color of their skin. They're pretty much cool with the advantages that come to them by way of their own skin color (or at least deliberately unaware of them), because...that like totally doesn't count, since that's done in a mostly unspoken way. And besides, "OMG racism was solved YEARS ago! I don't/refuse to see it, therefore it doesn't exist! LALALALALALALALA...fingers in my ears!"


My problem is that as long as we keep trying to balance things out by putting our thumbs on the scales, we're never going to reach the goal (I would hope it's the goal) of a colorblind society. At some point everyone needs to get over their entitlement and butthurt and be willing to move forward, and that just can't happen as long as we're still clinging to the pseudo-scientific BS we call 'race' as a political football.
 
2013-05-15 05:34:25 PM

lennavan: Infernalist: Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

That's a great point.  But you've lost yourself.  That great point directly contradicts your argument.  We're arguing against using race.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, do african-americans need an african americans-only scholarship?


......... When the inner city public schools get the same funding/available resources that suburban public schools do, you might have a point. Of course you could both be right and have the inner city scholarships rather than AfAm race based stuff.....
but this is Fark.
/sigh.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:14 PM

lennavan: Infernalist: Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

That's a great point.  But you've lost yourself.  That great point directly contradicts your argument.  We're arguing against using race.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, do african-americans need an african americans-only scholarship?


Yep.  Because institutionalized racism still exists.  People are still rejected, daily, for things that they would otherwise get easily IF WHITE.

Because society and the bureaucracy is full of people who routinely treat people differently because of race.

When THAT problem is fixed, then we can stop trying to make up for their misdeeds with Affirmative action and black-only scholarships and the whole lot.

Until then, blame them for making it necessary.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:24 PM
Same Columbia that has a convicted Cop Killer as a professor teaching social services?
 
2013-05-15 05:35:27 PM

What in The: Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?

Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.


You know Peg?
 
2013-05-15 05:37:00 PM

PunGent: What in The: Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?

Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.

You know Peg?


Peg is great. Have you seen her harmonica trick yet?
 
2013-05-15 05:37:29 PM

jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?


So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?
 
2013-05-15 05:38:36 PM

Infernalist: Because society and the bureaucracy is full of people who routinely treat people differently because of race.


Can you really fix that by forcing society and bureaucracy to treat people differently because of race?
 
2013-05-15 05:38:56 PM

Infernalist: jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically.  But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.


Name one.
 
2013-05-15 05:39:06 PM

Mattyb710: jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?

So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?


People 'should' be treated equally without regards to race or anything else.

But, they're not.

Some races are treated worse than others.  And until that stops, the rest of us have to try and balance their racism with a bit of a helping hand.
 
2013-05-15 05:39:06 PM

Infernalist: What I'm saying, very plainly and very simply, is that being white means never getting pulled over because you vaguely resemble a suspect in a nearby crime.


Wow.  While I await your citations on that first claim, it seems you're implying black people do get pulled over because they vaguely resemble a suspect.  I'd really like to know how often that occurs.  I mean, does every black person everywhere get pulled over?  Do they get pulled over multiple times?  How often do black people get pulled over merely for being black?

Infernalist: Being white is awesome. Go check out the Chris Rock skit on being white.


Ah, yeah, that's a great idea.  I'll look to Chris Rock for some valuable information.  Seems reliable.

Infernalist: Being white means, you never get automatically and quietly rejected for employment or from qualifying for a house/apartment because you're white.


I don't get it.  Again, you're saying because some individuals are racist for whites, we need to enact racist laws against whites to counteract those individuals.  Somehow that doesn't make sense to me yet seems great to you.  It's one of those "two wrongs don't make a right" sorta deals.

Infernalist: You start off at first base, while everyone else has to successfully hit to get on base.


Hehe yeah, or like when white people used to apply to the University of Michigan, the minorities started with a 20 point bonus.  It's like the white people were already at third base!  Of course, that practice was deemed bad.  Not the racist bit, just the giving it an exact number bit.
 
2013-05-15 05:40:56 PM

Mattyb710: jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?

So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?


Do you really think people should be treated equally?

And "you" was the generic "you," the same way you used "you."
 
2013-05-15 05:41:29 PM

tlars699: ......... When the inner city public schools get the same funding/available resources that suburban public schools do, you might have a point.


...........  If there were no white kids at inner city public schools, you would have a point.

I'm okay with increasing funding to inner city schools.  Hell, I'm even okay with changing standards for kids who come from inner city schools.  But why are you excluding the white kids who grew up in poverty and went to inner city schools?

When you can answer that, you might have a point.
 
2013-05-15 05:41:51 PM

Highroller48: Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.

Please, won't somebody think of us poor, disadvantaged, persecuted white people!

There are only two types of people that refer to programs designed to give systemically disadvantaged minorities an edge to overcome those hurdles as "reverse discrimination" or "racism":  Racists and people who failed History class.


Just to play devil's advocate, do you think affirmative action statutes should have some sort of sunset clause? or some mechanism to determine when they're no longer needed?

Because some of them do in fact, operate through 'reverse racism'.  White guys applying for certain city jobs DO get passed over for minorities with lower test scores...that's a fact.  Now, you can argue that makes up for generations of straight-up racism, and I'd even agree...but that doesn't really help the white guy who just lost out on that job, does it?

Personally, I view those statutes like cancer medications, which are often quite poisonous, but necessary...the trick is determining the correct dose.
 
2013-05-15 05:42:07 PM

Infernalist: JohnnyRebel88: F it.  If they are allowed to have "minority" scholarships, they should be allowed to have a "whites only" one.  May I remind you that this is a free country, and since Columbia is a private institution, they should be to do whatever they want.

However, the most most logical act would not give aide to people because of the color of their skin, gender, religious beliefs nor sexual orientation, it should be given to a person with the best vision for a better tomorrow and actually deserve the grant or scholarship.

Truly, spoken like someone living in an ideal world.

Sadly, we don't live in an ideal world.  We live in a world where people get rejected for things that they've earned/deserve because of their skin/ethnicity/religion/sex.

So, until we achieve that ideal world, we have to somehow make up for the assholes in the system who don't like treating people equally.

If you want to blame someone, blame Bob in Human Relations who won't hire a black man/woman.


I blame the "Good Ole' Boys Network" and it is about time we have a Kennedy-like person in office, not one that screws other women, but one with vision.

I took an African American Psychology course on time and it pissed me off that they didn't mention thee most important person of that race, MLK.  However we had a guest speaker, a former black panther, in which went over like a fart in church after he went off about whitey and shooting at police.  It truly showed that the views of the professor, who went to Grambling may I add.  I believe that Grambling has a "group" that will make it very uncomfortable for white people to enroll have a delightful college experience.  There was a name I heard once as what they were regarded as, and it wasn't the welcoming committee.

People just don't understand that once they dissect a person, they will find more difference, and as more difference is found, the more separation we will have.  If we were all deaf, who would we elect?  The person that we see doing the most for the people that need help, if we were all blind, we would elect the person we hear the most truth from...  Just never believe what you read, there will always be bias in the piece.
 
2013-05-15 05:42:45 PM

JesseL: Infernalist: Because society and the bureaucracy is full of people who routinely treat people differently because of race.

Can you really fix that by forcing society and bureaucracy to treat people differently because of race?


It's the only choice we have.  Until the quiet racism is expunged from the system by time and education, we 'have' to try and balance out their racism and suppression with a helping hand.

The alternative is to say "We know that racism is a reality in our culture and society and there are many people out there who won't hire you because you're black(or whatever), and who won't rent/sell a home to you for the same reason, and treat you with suspicion because of how you look and insult and deride you because you stand out....But, we can't give you a helping hand because then we're being racist, too.  Or something."

When the system stops actively working to shiat on them, then we can stop giving them advantages.  Until that happens, I can't see how we can do anything other than actively work to even out their racist actions with those advantages.
 
2013-05-15 05:43:07 PM

tlars699: Of course you could both be right and have the inner city scholarships rather than AfAm race based stuff.....


Oh wait, I think I misread this part the first time.  I think we agree.

tlars699: but this is Fark.
/sigh.


But since this is Fark, I missed it.
/sigh
/sorry
 
2013-05-15 05:43:12 PM

Infernalist: jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically.  But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.


Okay let's see if I got them:
1. Public Schools- our system for funding sucks- inner city schools don't do as well due to violence and lack of resources.
Solution: Either provide more funding/resources to these schools, so everyone gets a fair deal(gerrymandering school districts), or desegregate living areas so that everyone of all income stripes are equally distributed.

2. Generational Poverty- this is a bunch of crap as an argument. Most white people also have a hard time with this, and either live with it, grow out of it, or fall back into it. (See: Middle Class is shrinking)

3. Advantages while job hunting- ???? I didn't see it, and if you're having that much trouble because of your name- dude, change it, or list a nickname, or just your last name. Chances are it's not due to race, but Shawnaneagan is just too.... unique for the business world, no matter your background. Nobody will take you seriously.
 
2013-05-15 05:43:50 PM
Infernalist:

There is nothing wring with wanting to live in an ideal world, Plato called it his Utopia, I call it John's Nirvana.
 
2013-05-15 05:47:37 PM

Infernalist: It's the only choice we have. Until the quiet racism is expunged from the system by time and education, we 'have' to try and balance out their racism and suppression with a helping hand.


What you're doing is ignoring the problem and merely attempting to cover up the negative results of the problem.  Whitewashing if you will.
 
2013-05-15 05:48:27 PM

Infernalist: jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically. But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.


Only an idiot with the brain of a dead flash light battery would say this. If being born white "automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages", then the white supremacist are right and you should take your white people hating, disingenuous nincompoopery and STFU.
 
2013-05-15 05:48:58 PM

jigger: Mattyb710: jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?

So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?

Do you really think people should be treated equally?

And "you" was the generic "you," the same way you used "you."


Yes, I do. I think giving someone a "helping hand" just because they were born black, or asian, or white, is no better than declining to give a helping hand to everyone who isn't black, or asian, or white. It's just another form of discrimination

.

Infernalist: People 'should' be treated equally without regards to race or anything else.

But, they're not.

Some races are treated worse than others. And until that stops, the rest of us have to try and balance their racism with a bit of a helping hand.


All races have the same rights under the law. In fact, we have laws in place to specifically punish those who would discriminate based on race. Except when it comes to scholarships it seems everyone thinks it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate based on race.
 
2013-05-15 05:49:19 PM

tlars699: Infernalist: jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically.  But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.

Okay let's see if I got them:
1. Public Schools- our system for funding sucks- inner city schools don't do as well due to violence and lack of resources.
Solution: Either provide more funding/resources to these schools, so everyone gets a fair deal(gerrymandering school districts), or desegregate living areas so that everyone of all income stripes are equally distributed.

2. Generational Poverty- this is a bunch of crap as an argument. Most white people also have a hard time with this, and either live with it, grow out of it, or ...


I'm a big ol' white boy, and I've lived a good portion of my life in the south and in 'every' job that I've had an opportunity to witness the hiring process behind the scenes, it's always been a case of the hiring person's prejudices.

One of them wouldn't hire black people.  At all.  And joked about it to me, cause..well, I'm white, and I guess she thought it was 'safe' to laugh about it with me.

A few of them wouldn't hire Hispanics.  Same deal.

One of them wouldn't hire someone he 'thought' was a lesbian.  Don't know if she was or not, but that was his motivation.

It always came down to the interview process.

That ingrained racism still exists, boys and girls.  And no one can say otherwise, no matter what color the President is.
 
2013-05-15 05:49:28 PM

Snarfangel: I assume that Columbia will track down the heirs and give it back?


Legally, Columbia is doing the right thing and going to the courts.

Now, the court MIGHT decide that the money has to go to any surviving heirs, if the 'substantial purpose' of the grant can no longer be met, but my money would be on the court dropping the racial requirement, and leaving it an Iowa-only scholarship fund.

More problematic, actually, could be the long period where NO money was granted...the court might yank control and hand it to a more-active trustee.  Of course, there could also be quite legitimate reasons for that gap.
 
2013-05-15 05:51:25 PM

lennavan: Infernalist: It's the only choice we have. Until the quiet racism is expunged from the system by time and education, we 'have' to try and balance out their racism and suppression with a helping hand.

What you're doing is ignoring the problem and merely attempting to cover up the negative results of the problem.  Whitewashing if you will.


I'm pretending like the problem doesn't exist?  That's what whitewashing means, after all.

I'm actually not only admitting that the problem exists, but that we have to actively try and negate its impact on society and those people being discriminated against.

But, whatever, this is fark.
 
2013-05-15 05:53:01 PM

lennavan: tlars699: ......... When the inner city public schools get the same funding/available resources that suburban public schools do, you might have a point.

...........  If there were no white kids at inner city public schools, you would have a point.

I'm okay with increasing funding to inner city schools.  Hell, I'm even okay with changing standards for kids who come from inner city schools.  But why are you excluding the white kids who grew up in poverty and went to inner city schools?

When you can answer that, you might have a point.


There are a lot of majority-white areas that are steeped in poverty too. I would know, I grew up in one. And because of it, I am a little farking tired of being told "how good I have had it" by other white people who were born with a silver spoon stuck in their ass. Not all of us have mommy and daddy taking care of our every need.
 
2013-05-15 05:53:03 PM

Infernalist: Mattyb710: jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?

So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?

People 'should' be treated equally without regards to race or anything else.

But, they're not.

Some races are treated worse than others.  And until that stops, the rest of us have to try and balance their racism with a bit of a helping hand.


And then the very instant that stops, balance is achieved, everything has been corrected, then we can abolish the concept of race?

Sorry, I think there are too many people who will abuse any system that officially condones any kind of racial favoritism and actively work to perpetuate it; regardless of the purity of your intentions.

I think we'll get to a more just society a lot faster in with a lot less conflict if we just do our best to eliminate any recognition of any race except 'human', teach children of all colors that melanin levels don't have any more significance than how much sunscreen they'll need, and let all flavors of racism die out.
 
2013-05-15 05:53:23 PM

MJMaloney187: Infernalist: jigger: Infernalist: Now, does that help explain why recent immigrants tend to fare better than our own native-born population?

Oh, I was asking if they too should get special treatment, scholarships only for them, etc. It looks like you think they should.

I've met at least a few african immigrants and children of immigrants and worked with a few here or there. I also live in a neighborhood with tons of immigrants from Africa, mostly Somalia and Ethiopia, but some from Francophone countries. The ones I've worked with had immigrant parents who were rather well off and sent their kids to nice colleges. Recently I knew a guy whose parents immigrated from Ghana. They lived in NY and had plenty of money. Sent him to George Washington University (not exactly cheap) and then when he graduated he got into a special internship for minorities.

I wonder if some white kid that immigrated from Albania or some other shiathole of a country could get some special scholarship or internship. Maybe, but it wouldn't be one reserved for white people.

Considering the vast number of scholarships that are out there that aren't focused on race, does your theoretical Albanian 'need' a whites-only scholarship?

Besides, him being white automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages that not even the richest minority gets automatically. But, very few white people see those advantages.  Very few white people WANT to see those advantages.

Only an idiot with the brain of a dead flash light battery would say this. If being born white "automatically confers upon him a huge number of advantages", then the white supremacist are right and you should take your white people hating, disingenuous nincompoopery and STFU.


Lovely rebuttal that not only combines silly insults and internet slang, but also completely misses the point. Well done, good sir.  That's not easy to accomplish.
 
2013-05-15 05:55:40 PM

Infernalist: I'm a big ol' white boy, and I've lived a good portion of my life in the south and in 'every' job that I've had an opportunity to witness the hiring process behind the scenes, it's always been a case of the hiring person's prejudices.

One of them wouldn't hire black people. At all. And joked about it to me, cause..well, I'm white, and I guess she thought it was 'safe' to laugh about it with me.

A few of them wouldn't hire Hispanics. Same deal.

One of them wouldn't hire someone he 'thought' was a lesbian. Don't know if she was or not, but that was his motivation.

It always came down to the interview process.

That ingrained racism still exists, boys and girls. And no one can say otherwise, no matter what color the President is.


I hope you told them all what shiatbags they are.

That would do a whole lot more than any continuing institutionalized racism.
 
2013-05-15 05:55:42 PM

beer4breakfast: rewind2846: Lowest unemployment rates, lowest underemployment rates, highest incomes, etc etc etc.

Nope.


I should have said "correcting for education level".
Asian americans do send more of their kids to college.
Still doesn't answer why the African Americans on that list are at the bottom, even behind Native Americans. That's the real question.
 
2013-05-15 05:55:47 PM

JesseL: Infernalist: Mattyb710: jigger: Mattyb710: Should you be punished because your parents obviously failed to educate you properly?

Should others be "punished" because your parents failed to educate you properly?

So because I think everyone should be treated equally 100% of the time you think I wasn't educated properly?

People 'should' be treated equally without regards to race or anything else.

But, they're not.

Some races are treated worse than others.  And until that stops, the rest of us have to try and balance their racism with a bit of a helping hand.

And then the very instant that stops, balance is achieved, everything has been corrected, then we can abolish the concept of race?

Sorry, I think there are too many people who will abuse any system that officially condones any kind of racial favoritism and actively work to perpetuate it; regardless of the purity of your intentions.

I think we'll get to a more just society a lot faster in with a lot less conflict if we just do our best to eliminate any recognition of any race except 'human', teach children of all colors that melanin levels don't have any more significance than how much sunscreen they'll need, and let all flavors of racism die out.


Except people have consistently shown that they'll discriminate against people, regardless as to whether or not it it's legal to do so.

They just stop being open about it around most people.

When 'that' racism stops in society, then we can stop trying to minimize its impact on those being discriminated against.

So, really, it's not in our hands. It's in the hands of the racists.
 
2013-05-15 05:56:04 PM

Infernalist: lennavan: Infernalist: It's the only choice we have. Until the quiet racism is expunged from the system by time and education, we 'have' to try and balance out their racism and suppression with a helping hand.

What you're doing is ignoring the problem and merely attempting to cover up the negative results of the problem.  Whitewashing if you will.

I'm pretending like the problem doesn't exist?  That's what whitewashing means, after all.

I'm actually not only admitting that the problem exists, but that we have to actively try and negate its impact on society and those people being discriminated against.

But, whatever, this is fark.


The way in which you are advocating we "actively try and negate its impact" simply gives the racists more ammunition. If we actually treated every single person the same, regardless of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or anything else, eventually more and more people would think the same way.

There will always be racist douchebags in the world. We can't fight them by using a form of racism ourselves. That's plain idiotic.
 
2013-05-15 05:56:42 PM

JesseL: Infernalist: I'm a big ol' white boy, and I've lived a good portion of my life in the south and in 'every' job that I've had an opportunity to witness the hiring process behind the scenes, it's always been a case of the hiring person's prejudices.

One of them wouldn't hire black people. At all. And joked about it to me, cause..well, I'm white, and I guess she thought it was 'safe' to laugh about it with me.

A few of them wouldn't hire Hispanics. Same deal.

One of them wouldn't hire someone he 'thought' was a lesbian. Don't know if she was or not, but that was his motivation.

It always came down to the interview process.

That ingrained racism still exists, boys and girls. And no one can say otherwise, no matter what color the President is.

I hope you told them all what shiatbags they are.

That would do a whole lot more than any continuing institutionalized racism.


Oh, I reported most of them.  Quietly.  A few of them were demoted.

Mostly, though, I'd end up being fired after a couple of weeks for something stupid.

but, hey, at least I can look myself in the mirror in the morning.
 
2013-05-15 05:59:34 PM

JesseL: Bumblefark: the money is in the banana stand: The people that get "worked up" about reverse racism are more so those that do not want discrimination of ANY kind, be it white only, black only, etc. events/scholarships.

The people who get worked up about reverse racism are entitled white folks with a persecution complex afraid that the darkies might ever benefit from the color of their skin. They're pretty much cool with the advantages that come to them by way of their own skin color (or at least deliberately unaware of them), because...that like totally doesn't count, since that's done in a mostly unspoken way. And besides, "OMG racism was solved YEARS ago! I don't/refuse to see it, therefore it doesn't exist! LALALALALALALALA...fingers in my ears!"

My problem is that as long as we keep trying to balance things out by putting our thumbs on the scales, we're never going to reach the goal (I would hope it's the goal) of a colorblind society. At some point everyone needs to get over their entitlement and butthurt and be willing to move forward, and that just can't happen as long as we're still clinging to the pseudo-scientific BS we call 'race' as a political football.


I'm really not sure what a colorblind society would look like, since I don't think one can be found anywhere in human history. So, I'm not sure that's really the most useful goal to be shooting for. And, I really wasn't debating the merits of affirmative action policies -- just making fun of the "reverse racism" concern trolls. But, for what it's worth:

I'd suggest the best way for "everyone...to get over their entitlement and butthurt," the sort that might linger from a few centuries of repression, would be to address the lingering social and economic inequalities that those people have been saddled with.

Now, if you've got other idea (i.e., something more substantial than vaguely patronizing happy-talk about how you think those people ought to feel), I'd be happy to hear it.

Otherwise, Plan A just might be the least-worst remedy for a shiatty situation..
 
2013-05-15 06:01:28 PM

Infernalist: I'm actually not only admitting that the problem exists, but that we have to actively try and negate its impact on society and those people being discriminated against.


I don't have anything against that.  I just dislike that your solution is racist.

I got no beef with helping out inner city school kids.  But you're only helping out the minorities who went to inner city schools.

Give me a form of discrimination and I will happily detail you how I would like to see it addressed.  But there isn't a single one that we should address with another form of discrimination.  You see, I have this dream...
 
2013-05-15 06:01:49 PM

Mattyb710: Infernalist: lennavan: Infernalist: It's the only choice we have. Until the quiet racism is expunged from the system by time and education, we 'have' to try and balance out their racism and suppression with a helping hand.

What you're doing is ignoring the problem and merely attempting to cover up the negative results of the problem.  Whitewashing if you will.

I'm pretending like the problem doesn't exist?  That's what whitewashing means, after all.

I'm actually not only admitting that the problem exists, but that we have to actively try and negate its impact on society and those people being discriminated against.

But, whatever, this is fark.

The way in which you are advocating we "actively try and negate its impact" simply gives the racists more ammunition. If we actually treated every single person the same, regardless of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or anything else, eventually more and more people would think the same way.

There will always be racist douchebags in the world. We can't fight them by using a form of racism ourselves. That's plain idiotic.


We spent 100 years after the Civil War 'hoping' that the examples set by the abolitionists and men like Abraham Lincoln would convince the racists to...lighten up.

That didn't work out.  Active effort is what caused the Civil Rights movement to succeed, by meeting that institutional racism head-on.  Not by having some white people just 'treat everyone the same'.  By insisting and 'demanding' that even racists had to treat people equally.

That process 'race blindness' will NEVER work as long as there are active racists who simply refuse to abandon their race-based views and their actions to discriminate because of those views.  And we can't let their actions be the only actions influencing that struggle.
 
2013-05-15 06:02:55 PM

Infernalist: Oh, I reported most of them. Quietly. A few of them were demoted.

Mostly, though, I'd end up being fired after a couple of weeks for something stupid.

but, hey, at least I can look myself in the mirror in the morning.


Why would you do it quietly? That shiat needs to be loudly and publicly stomped on. People like that need to be exposed and shamed. Racism is like fungus, it grows in the dark and where it has plenty of BS to feed it. Your style of action will only keep it going.



Mattyb710:
The way in which you are advocating we "actively try and negate its impact" simply gives the racists more ammunition. If we actually treated every single person the same, regardless of race, color, religion, sexual orientation or anything else, eventually more and more people would think the same way.

There will always be racist douchebags in the world. We can't fight them by using a form of racism ourselves. That's plain idiotic.


^^^THAT^^^
 
2013-05-15 06:05:18 PM
tlars699:
4. The largest share of money and power would be held by the 1%. Who tend to be greedy, and that's how they get there. Who cares what race they are?

The 1% became the 1% because of their greed, and because of that greed they will do whatever is necessary to keep that money and power. They will pass these traits and that power to their descendants. So those people with their hands on the controls then will continue to be the same as the people with their hands on the controls now.
 
2013-05-15 06:08:15 PM

lennavan: Infernalist: I'm actually not only admitting that the problem exists, but that we have to actively try and negate its impact on society and those people being discriminated against.

I don't have anything against that.  I just dislike that your solution is racist.

I got no beef with helping out inner city school kids.  But you're only helping out the minorities who went to inner city schools.

Give me a form of discrimination and I will happily detail you how I would like to see it addressed.  But there isn't a single one that we should address with another form of discrimination.  You see, I have this dream...


Oh, the 'solutions' to that discrimination and racism already exist.  They have had these solutions for years, the only problem is, people find a way to get around them, bypass them, ignore them.

Don't like black people?  Refuse to hire them because they lack enough experience.  Or they're overqualified.  Or the position's already filled.

Don't want certain races in your apartments?  Tell them that they don't make enough to qualify.  Or their references didn't check out.

The racism isn't open and obvious anymore.  It's quiet and subtle and hidden behind smiles and apologetic words.

Now, is my solution racist?  Maybe.  I don't really 'care' what it's called.  As far as I see, it's a necessary evil, required because of the actions of others.  I'm pretty sure that most minorities don't 'like' having to rely on Affirmative Action and would much rather make their way in the world on their own merits, but too many people exist in this country that would simply ignore those merits and reward other less deserving men because of irrational hatred based on race.

And as long as those racists exist, then I see the need for that balancing hand to try and minimize their impact.
 
2013-05-15 06:09:53 PM
Justice > Equality

Hey, it could be worse. You could be Asian.
 
2013-05-15 06:11:11 PM

abhorrent1: Why? Black people have their own, as well as Hispanics.  Once again, it's only wrong/racist if white people do it.


Hush now...this is the point where you're supposed to smile and nod, secure in the knowledge that only the lesser breeds are in need of such handouts.
 
2013-05-15 06:11:56 PM

Infernalist: That process 'race blindness' will NEVER work as long as there are active racists who simply refuse to abandon their race-based views and their actions to discriminate because of those views.


Like raaaaaain....
 
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