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2013-05-15 02:59:07 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?

A hell of a lot more than in Idaho.


Do they even have people in Idaho?
 
2013-05-15 02:59:19 PM  

special20: I would be ticked off if somebody messed with my bequeathed scholarship fund, and how I dictated it be doled out. If for instance I am offering a scholarship to only  a select group of people with larger than normal genitalia, I would bloody well expect every applicant to show their undercarriage to the people I trusted with that fund. Those who do not meet the specific criteria, are just shiat out of luck and will have to beg for money elsewhere.

Also, when you find a better school, the scholarship finding gets done for you, and nobody splits hairs over the qualifications - because there are so damn many.


I'm pretty sure that the woman in question is dead.  This isn't the first time this has come up; what to you do when a scholarship/endowment's purpose is 100 years out of date?  How much leeway can an university have in re-purposing the money, or does it become an unexpected windfall for relatives 100 years down the line?
 
2013-05-15 02:59:28 PM  

Joe Blowme: Bullseyed: The millions of various black only and mexican only scholarships were unavailable for comment.

No they were not, here they are


http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf
 
2013-05-15 02:59:50 PM  
Another example of my continued persecution at the hands of blacks.  Who will emancipate me?
 
2013-05-15 03:00:00 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?

A hell of a lot more than in Idaho.



Sorry, but no. Iowa is 88.7% caucasian, and Idaho is only 84%.

Only Maine, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, and West Virginia are more white than Iowa.
 
2013-05-15 03:00:03 PM  

lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?


yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country,  Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?
 
2013-05-15 03:00:27 PM  
This is great news. Of course we should not offer a scholarship based on color. Very racist to give a scholarship based on color.
 
2013-05-15 03:00:29 PM  

Highroller48: Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.

That, and the whole "IT'S ILLEGAL" thing, which I'm sure had nothing at all to do with the decision to stop awarding it.

Double-fail.


Yet they still have Afirmative action.... tripple fail?
 
2013-05-15 03:00:57 PM  
I know of a Catholic-run university where one of their alumni wanted to give a big scholarship which would only be available to non-Catholic students.  I'm sure that was fun to explain to the university president (who was, of course, a priest).  Apparently they were able to talk the alumnus out of that stipulation.

Along the lines of this scholarship...you know, the Rhodes Scholarship was once only available to white students, as well.  Cecil Rhodes was racist even by the fairly racist standards of his time and social class.
 
2013-05-15 03:01:10 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?


Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.
 
2013-05-15 03:01:28 PM  

Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.


THIS.  We can't even talk about how the Jews are destroying America anymore.  Now, we have to "support Israel".

www.veteranstoday.com

Just look at this libbo kowtowing to the PC POLICE!
 
2013-05-15 03:02:00 PM  

jfivealive: cfroelic: In 1920, there were probably very few if any African Americans in Iowa.  The intent of the restriction to caucasians is perfectly clear:  They didn't want Indians to get any money.  Why does everyone assume it's there because of blacks?

Black people are so mad!  But then again, you would be too if your pants never fit!


I'd guess a lot of Farkers have a problem getting their pants to fit...
 
2013-05-15 03:02:26 PM  
America: where political correctness is a bigger problem than racial inequality.

/few people realize how many victims political correctness claims every year
 
2013-05-15 03:02:29 PM  

Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.


Not sexism when its against men either.

white guys. Its ok to stick it to them.
 
2013-05-15 03:02:34 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Well in that case call me Picasso.


Crooked member, eh?
 
2013-05-15 03:02:49 PM  

Magorn: lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?

yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country,  Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?


I'd totally buy that argument except for all of the other race-specific programs.
 
2013-05-15 03:02:56 PM  

Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.


Please, won't somebody think of us poor, disadvantaged, persecuted white people!

There are only two types of people that refer to programs designed to give systemically disadvantaged minorities an edge to overcome those hurdles as "reverse discrimination" or "racism":  Racists and people who failed History class.
 
2013-05-15 03:04:11 PM  
It's only racist when white people do it.
 
2013-05-15 03:04:15 PM  

What in The: Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.


But you can't scissor with only one leg.  That doesn't even make sense.
 
2013-05-15 03:04:18 PM  

Magorn: yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country, Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?


...and by "deep South" do you mean Iowa or New York? -- because the scholarship in question is for Iowans going to a school in New York.

I'm not saying that there was no discrimination in the north, but bringing the South into the discussion is a complete red herring.
 
2013-05-15 03:04:57 PM  

Magorn: yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country, Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?


Remember the thousands of Irish that were shipped over as slaves during the Colonial period?
 
2013-05-15 03:05:11 PM  

The Third Man: I know of a Catholic-run university where one of their alumni wanted to give a big scholarship which would only be available to non-Catholic students.  I'm sure that was fun to explain to the university president (who was, of course, a priest).  Apparently they were able to talk the alumnus out of that stipulation.

Along the lines of this scholarship...you know, the Rhodes Scholarship was once only available to white students, as well.  Cecil Rhodes was racist even by the fairly racist standards of his time and social class.


Hence Rhodesia, the African Whitey-ville country.
 
2013-05-15 03:06:00 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.

Not sexism when its against men either.

white guys. Its ok to stick it to them.


~3.5% of them anyway
 
2013-05-15 03:06:12 PM  

lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?


Its possible that this scholorship is an endowment that is controlled by the university, so the university is responsible for deciding recipients. Where these other scholorships are all independantly run and the university is not a deciding body, they just accept the money.
 
2013-05-15 03:06:29 PM  

Joe Blowme: Highroller48: Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.

That, and the whole "IT'S ILLEGAL" thing, which I'm sure had nothing at all to do with the decision to stop awarding it.

Double-fail.

Yet they still have AfFirmative aAction.... tripple triple fail?


Hmm, triple typing fail.... some sort of meta-commentary?
 
2013-05-15 03:06:31 PM  
But the UNCF is still ok discrimination right?
 
2013-05-15 03:06:46 PM  
Now, I've been told that any person of non-caucasoid descent is currently a minority, and that in a few decades the caucasoids will end up being the minority.

Does this mean that all the "minority" scholarships will then be given to the true minority? Or will they be rewritten?
 
2013-05-15 03:07:04 PM  

Highroller48: Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.

Please, won't somebody think of us poor, disadvantaged, persecuted white people!

There are only two types of people that refer to programs designed to give systemically disadvantaged minorities an edge to overcome those hurdles as "reverse discrimination" or "racism":  Racists and people who failed History class.


So you failed history? Tell us, why should someone whose family was not in America have to "pay" for the sins of those in the past?
 
2013-05-15 03:07:29 PM  
So Farbongo would only get half a scholarship?


/ziing
 
2013-05-15 03:08:08 PM  

Highroller48: Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.

That, and the whole "IT'S ILLEGAL" thing, which I'm sure had nothing at all to do with the decision to stop awarding it.

Double-fail.


It's legal to award minority students grants based on race, but illegal to distribute a grant specifically for whites based on their race?

I-I.... don't understand. Can you explain it to me?
 
2013-05-15 03:08:11 PM  

ikanreed: Wow, there are sure a lot of "victims" of "reverse-racism" in here.  At least it's totally apparent none of them are the slightest bit educated, thus validating their premise.


I was done school about 10 years ago.  But on principle I find it sad that it's perfectly ok for a minority group to have a targeted scholarship while a Caucasian group can't have the same.
 
2013-05-15 03:08:19 PM  

MindStalker: Its possible that this scholorship is an endowment that is controlled by the university, so the university is responsible for deciding recipients. Where these other scholorships are all independantly run and the university is not a deciding body, they just accept the money.


They're just following orders?
That defense didn't work very well.
 
2013-05-15 03:08:25 PM  

Highroller48: Walker: But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.

Please, won't somebody think of us poor, disadvantaged, persecuted white people!

There are only two types of people that refer to programs designed to give systemically disadvantaged minorities an edge to overcome those hurdles as "reverse discrimination" or "racism":  Racists and people who failed History class.


Reverse discrimination? Nope I wouldnt call it that.
just plain old hypocrisy. Its 2013 nobody going to college had to sit at the back of the bus
 
2013-05-15 03:09:10 PM  
couldn't help but notice this along the bottom of tfa:

s1.ibtimes.com

how has that not shown up on Fark already? or did I just miss it?
 
2013-05-15 03:09:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: What in The: Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.

But you can't scissor with only one leg.  That doesn't even make sense.


You hold her like a long barreled rifle.
 
2013-05-15 03:09:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: What in The: Yes, we do. There's a black woman who lives down the street from me. Also, she's a one-legged lesbian.

But you can't scissor with only one leg.  That doesn't even make sense.


Knifing?
 
2013-05-15 03:09:17 PM  

awalkingecho: UrukHaiGuyz: Well in that case call me Picasso.

Crooked member, eh?


Coulda been worse, at least it's not Van Gone.
 
2013-05-15 03:09:34 PM  

jshine: Magorn: yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country, Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?

...and by "deep South" do you mean Iowa or New York? -- because the scholarship in question is for Iowans going to a school in New York.

I'm not saying that there was no discrimination in the north, but bringing the South into the discussion is a complete red herring.


Iowa has a "Beat Whitey Night" at the state fair so they are at least trying to make up for some of it.
 
2013-05-15 03:09:36 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: special20: I would be ticked off if somebody messed with my bequeathed scholarship fund, and how I dictated it be doled out. If for instance I am offering a scholarship to only  a select group of people with larger than normal genitalia, I would bloody well expect every applicant to show their undercarriage to the people I trusted with that fund. Those who do not meet the specific criteria, are just shiat out of luck and will have to beg for money elsewhere.

Also, when you find a better school, the scholarship finding gets done for you, and nobody splits hairs over the qualifications - because there are so damn many.

I'm pretty sure that the woman in question is dead.  This isn't the first time this has come up; what to you do when a scholarship/endowment's purpose is 100 years out of date?  How much leeway can an university have in re-purposing the money, or does it become an unexpected windfall for relatives 100 years down the line?


She is likely dead, but likely shocked to learn that because she stipulated race in her scholarship fund, that she has to blow the devil for eternity - as well as hear how the university is going to (clutch your pearls) New York City to get things de-whitified. Shocked. Having the vapors, I'm sure.
 
2013-05-15 03:10:05 PM  

give me doughnuts: Magorn: yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country, Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?

Remember the thousands of Irish that were shipped over as slaves during the Colonial period?


OMG, who did that to them?
 
2013-05-15 03:10:52 PM  

Girl Pants: Many scholarships are supported by a private backer or two, often the estate of some rich person. If that person/group/estate want to make a fund to help students of some kind (be they majority or minority), I feel they should be allowed.

While I understand that statistically many groups are disadvantaged over others, and in the service of trying to "equalizing" everyone it is "better" to target disadvantaged persons, that does not mean you should not be allowed to help out people of a traditionally/statistically advantaged group.


All the same, I think scholarships should be based on need and merit only, myself.

/white male who received scholarships due to coming from poor family and having good grades
//just because some white men are the richest and most powerful does not mean all whites and males are rich and powerful.


Lucky you, I paid my way in full even after making the dean's list twice. If I were a little less white... it would of been free.
 
2013-05-15 03:11:29 PM  

Magorn: lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?

yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country,  Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?


Fair enough, all black college kids applying for scholarships who had to sit at the back of the bus, or use the back door at a lunch counter, or who was deprived the right to vote should get a scholarship.  Everyone else should be on equal footing.  Deal?
 
2013-05-15 03:12:20 PM  

MindStalker: lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?

Its possible that this scholorship is an endowment that is controlled by the university, so the university is responsible for deciding recipients. Where these other scholorships are all independantly run and the university is not a deciding body, they just accept the money.



Could be.  My comment isn't really meant toward the legal side but rather the ethical side.
 
2013-05-15 03:12:30 PM  

mrlewish: So Farbongo would only get half a scholarship?

/ziing



Maybe, but the other half of him would get half of a different scholarship, so it'd all work out.
 
2013-05-15 03:12:34 PM  

The Third Man: I know of a Catholic-run university where one of their alumni wanted to give a big scholarship which would only be available to non-Catholic students.  I'm sure that was fun to explain to the university president (who was, of course, a priest).  Apparently they were able to talk the alumnus out of that stipulation.

Along the lines of this scholarship...you know, the Rhodes Scholarship was once only available to white students, as well.  Cecil Rhodes was racist even by the fairly racist standards of his time and social class.


Calling Cecil Rhodes racist is like saying Hitler kind of disliked Jewish people.
 
2013-05-15 03:13:04 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: give me doughnuts: Magorn: yeah, I mean both Whites AND Blacks were an oppressed minority who suffered from YEARS of institutionalized discrimination in this country, Remember those horrible "James Croworthington III" laws in the deep south that deprived blacks of their rights to vote and forced them to attend ridiculously underfunded schools, sit in the back of buses and use the back door at lunch counters?

Remember the thousands of Irish that were shipped over as slaves during the Colonial period?

OMG, who did that to them?


WASPs. 

That's all that was left of them. The poor souls.
 
2013-05-15 03:13:06 PM  

tlars699: Now, I've been told that any person of non-caucasoid descent is currently a minority, and that in a few decades the caucasoids will end up being the minority.

Does this mean that all the "minority" scholarships will then be given to the true minority? Or will they be rewritten?


By then they will have agreed they are racist
 
2013-05-15 03:13:14 PM  

boarch: Girl Pants: Many scholarships are supported by a private backer or two, often the estate of some rich person. If that person/group/estate want to make a fund to help students of some kind (be they majority or minority), I feel they should be allowed.

While I understand that statistically many groups are disadvantaged over others, and in the service of trying to "equalizing" everyone it is "better" to target disadvantaged persons, that does not mean you should not be allowed to help out people of a traditionally/statistically advantaged group.


All the same, I think scholarships should be based on need and merit only, myself.

/white male who received scholarships due to coming from poor family and having good grades
//just because some white men are the richest and most powerful does not mean all whites and males are rich and powerful.

Lucky you, I paid my way in full even after making the dean's list twice. If I were a little less white... it would of been free.


Are you sure you didn't attend collage instead?

/I keed
//*would have
///pet peeve
 
2013-05-15 03:13:41 PM  

Donnchadha: dj_bigbird: Does Columbia have scholarships for African-American students? Hispanic?

That's not "discriminating based on race", that's "empowering a minority".


Some animals are more equal than others. Doubleplusgood of you to realize that.
 
2013-05-15 03:13:45 PM  

lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?


I've always wondered if mouth-breathers like you also think that higher tax rates for the rich is class-warfare and class discrimination. Listen, our civilization have many measures to balance the inherent inequality in our society, and since we will never live in a post-racial world, granting scholarship to minorities is one of them. White people does not have it better than minorities, accept your genetic lottery and stop whining like an ungrateful brat.
 
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