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(International Business Times)   Columbia University has finally decided that its "whites-only" scholarship is a bad idea   (ibtimes.com) divider line 505
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2013-05-15 12:40:36 PM
Does Columbia have scholarships for African-American students? Hispanic?
 
2013-05-15 12:43:35 PM
Heck, I would have gotten rid of it just based on the Iowa thing.
 
2013-05-15 12:47:26 PM
potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery, or theology

So, this lady wanted no lawyers or doctors moving back to Iowa; just engineers and baristas, apparently.
 
2013-05-15 01:28:21 PM
Both black people in Iowa are celebrating the end of this injustice.
 
2013-05-15 01:48:43 PM

exick: potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery, or theology

So, this lady wanted no lawyers or doctors moving back to Iowa; just engineers and baristas, apparently.


I say, let JPMorgan have the $800k, and apply the 45% gift tax to it.
 
2013-05-15 02:01:56 PM

exick: potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery, or theology

So, this lady wanted no lawyers or doctors moving back to Iowa; just engineers and baristas, apparently.


Iowa probably isn't losing lawyers and doctors like they are engineers.

Full disclosure: I'm from Iowa and an engineer. No, I don't live there anymore.
 
2013-05-15 02:03:36 PM
Well, it is the "Foundation For The Rhythmically Impaired Scholars Program"...not exactly "whites-only"....but probably.
 
2013-05-15 02:07:04 PM
In its current incarnation, the "whites-only" scholarship contains several prohibitive clauses. Only white men and women hailing from Iowa are eligible for the grant. In addition, potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery or theology, and must move back to Iowa for at least two years after graduating, The Daily News reports.

The funny thing is Iowa is one of the whitest states in the union. Making it an "Iowan only" scholarship pretty much already made it "whites-only."
 
2013-05-15 02:08:35 PM

dj_bigbird: Does Columbia have scholarships for African-American students? Hispanic?


That's not "discriminating based on race", that's "empowering a minority".
 
2013-05-15 02:21:45 PM
Great.  Next you'll be telling me they're handing out math scholarships to chicks.
 
2013-05-15 02:31:35 PM
Do they even have black people in Iowa?
 
2013-05-15 02:39:27 PM
Wendy's Chili: "Do they even have black people in Iowa?"

www.bestcareanywhere.net
 
2013-05-15 02:41:40 PM
Why? Black people have their own, as well as Hispanics.  Once again, it's only wrong/racist if white people do it.
 
2013-05-15 02:42:08 PM

JerseyTim: Heck, I would have gotten rid of it just based on the Iowa thing.


In addition, potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery or theology, and must move back to Iowa for at least two years after graduating.

cf2s1.cbncdn.com
 
2013-05-15 02:42:32 PM
Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted.  These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.
/there were no "whites only" journalism school scholarships, that's bigoted, remember?
 
2013-05-15 02:43:13 PM

Wendy's Chili: Do they even have black people in Iowa?


A hell of a lot more than in Idaho.
 
2013-05-15 02:43:32 PM
But Black only, Hispanic only, and Asian only are perfectly fine? Ohhhhhh I see. It's not racism when you are racist against whites.
 
2013-05-15 02:44:18 PM

Donnchadha: dj_bigbird: Does Columbia have scholarships for African-American students? Hispanic?

That's not "discriminating based on race", that's "empowering a minority".


Which is a stupid argument... Pendulums are supposed to swing both ways.  A minority group should have no right to complain about whitey getting his own scholarship if they get to have one for their particular group.
 
2013-05-15 02:44:33 PM
There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?
 
2013-05-15 02:44:34 PM
Was a man named Booker involved? I didn't know game marketing could extend so far.
 
2013-05-15 02:44:46 PM

abhorrent1: Why? Black people have their own, as well as Hispanics.  Once again, it's only wrong/racist if white people do it.


Do they? Do you know for sure that Columbia offers race-specific scholarships to black people, or do you just assume that they do?
 
2013-05-15 02:45:18 PM
As a white man, I thank God for the Internet, without which I'd have no idea how unfair life is to me
 
2013-05-15 02:45:22 PM

thurstonxhowell: abhorrent1: Why? Black people have their own, as well as Hispanics.  Once again, it's only wrong/racist if white people do it.

Do they? Do you know for sure that Columbia offers race-specific scholarships to black people, or do you just assume that they do?


I see that's been covered. My bad.
 
2013-05-15 02:46:21 PM
I wonder how it would have played out if a black student applied for a "whites only" scholarship (or vice versa)? AFAIK, there's not much legal or scientific basis for defining race, so would they just let it go? Would some bureaucrat get the job of saying "I can't prove anything about your race, but I am reasonably confident that you are disqualified by your melanin levels"?
 
2013-05-15 02:47:13 PM
We need to stop Comstock when he was born...
 
2013-05-15 02:48:00 PM
So when I was in college is was okay for me to be ineligible for certain scholarships because I'm not black, hispanic or native american?
 
2013-05-15 02:48:39 PM
I've always wanted to open a restaurant named "Whites Only", and have everything inside be white. Walls, table cloths, etc.

Then on opening night I'd only invite non-whites.

I think I planned on masturbating on something too, it was an art project. You have to masturbate or it's not art.
 
2013-05-15 02:49:11 PM
Wonder if she has any descendants.  Have read about similar scholarships / endowments in the past.  When the universities try to change them, the descendants claim breach of contract and try to grab the money.
 
2013-05-15 02:50:43 PM

lennavan: Well yeah, a white's only scholarship is bigoted. These however, are not:

Dr. Robert E. Campbell Memorial Scholarship for an American minority student in journalism
Gruner + Jahr Magazine Scholarship for female students interested in magazine writing
Phyllis and William Michelfelder Scholarship for a female print student
Trudi Stamm Scholarship, for a woman from New York State
Westinghouse Broadcasting Co Scholarship in memory of the late LaRue Heard Johnson ('68) for minority students
Jacobo Timerman Scholarship in memory of Jacobo Timerman (for a Latin American student)
Sylvia L. Wilson ('85) Memorial Scholarship, for an African-American woman specializing in print journalism

That's just the Columbia University Journalism school.


Isn't that interesting because, according to the TFA, Columbia is claiming in court that "Columbia University is now prohibited by law and University policy from discriminating on the basis of race." So, I guess Columbia has now judicially admitted that it violates the law, assuming it is handing out those scholarships that you listed.
 
2013-05-15 02:50:50 PM
 
2013-05-15 02:50:52 PM
What if they called it a "Historically White Scholarship", is that OK? Can they do that?
 
2013-05-15 02:51:01 PM
In 1920, there were probably very few if any African Americans in Iowa.  The intent of the restriction to caucasians is perfectly clear:  They didn't want Indians to get any money.  Why does everyone assume it's there because of blacks?
 
2013-05-15 02:51:56 PM

exick: potential recipients are not allowed to study law, medicine, dentistry, veterinary surgery, or theology

So, this lady wanted no lawyers or doctors moving back to Iowa; just engineers and baristas, apparently.


You say that like its a bad thing
 
2013-05-15 02:52:12 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I've always wanted to open a restaurant named "Whites Only", and have everything inside be white. Walls, table cloths, etc.

Then on opening night I'd only invite non-whites.

I think I planned on masturbating on something too, it was an art project. You have to masturbate or it's not art.


Well in that case call me Picasso.
 
2013-05-15 02:52:16 PM
Many scholarships are supported by a private backer or two, often the estate of some rich person. If that person/group/estate want to make a fund to help students of some kind (be they majority or minority), I feel they should be allowed.

While I understand that statistically many groups are disadvantaged over others, and in the service of trying to "equalizing" everyone it is "better" to target disadvantaged persons, that does not mean you should not be allowed to help out people of a traditionally/statistically advantaged group.


All the same, I think scholarships should be based on need and merit only, myself.

/white male who received scholarships due to coming from poor family and having good grades
//just because some white men are the richest and most powerful does not mean all whites and males are rich and powerful.
 
2013-05-15 02:52:35 PM

Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?


Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.
 
2013-05-15 02:53:51 PM

cfroelic: In 1920, there were probably very few if any African Americans in Iowa.  The intent of the restriction to caucasians is perfectly clear:  They didn't want Indians to get any money.  Why does everyone assume it's there because of blacks?


Back in 1920, there was only one black man in Iowa.  Steve.

But Lydia C. Roberts didn't want to be rude and make an "Anyone but Steve" scholarship, so she had to go a little more vague/broad and go white's only.
 
2013-05-15 02:54:01 PM

cfroelic: In 1920, there were probably very few if any African Americans in Iowa.  The intent of the restriction to caucasians is perfectly clear:  They didn't want Indians to get any money.  Why does everyone assume it's there because of blacks?


Black people are so mad!  But then again, you would be too if your pants never fit!
 
2013-05-15 02:54:10 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: HotWingConspiracy: I've always wanted to open a restaurant named "Whites Only", and have everything inside be white. Walls, table cloths, etc.

Then on opening night I'd only invite non-whites.

I think I planned on masturbating on something too, it was an art project. You have to masturbate or it's not art.

Well in that case call me Picasso.



Really? You didn't go with Jacksoff Pollack?
 
2013-05-15 02:54:21 PM
I would be ticked off if somebody messed with my bequeathed scholarship fund, and how I dictated it be doled out. If for instance I am offering a scholarship to only  a select group of people with larger than normal genitalia, I would bloody well expect every applicant to show their undercarriage to the people I trusted with that fund. Those who do not meet the specific criteria, are just shiat out of luck and will have to beg for money elsewhere.

Also, when you find a better school, the scholarship finding gets done for you, and nobody splits hairs over the qualifications - because there are so damn many.
 
2013-05-15 02:54:34 PM
The millions of various black only and mexican only scholarships were unavailable for comment.
 
2013-05-15 02:54:46 PM
Columbia should just hand out the scholarship to whomever they want and if anyone objects simply cite Shelley v. Kraemer, 334 U.S. 1 (1948)  which basically said that there was nothing that stopped private parties from MAKING racially restrictive covenants on real estate (a clause in a home sale agreement stipulating that the house couldn't be re-sold to a non-white person), but for the courts to ENFORCE them would require the court to violate the 14th amendment and so they would not even hear lawsuits arising from violations of those clauses
 
2013-05-15 02:55:03 PM
"Columbia University is now prohibited by law and University policy from discriminating on the basis of race."

Now that it's 2013, they mean.
Now that they've been caught.
 
2013-05-15 02:55:13 PM
Wow, there are sure a lot of "victims" of "reverse-racism" in here.  At least it's totally apparent none of them are the slightest bit educated, thus validating their premise.
 
2013-05-15 02:55:14 PM
When the scholarship was last offered in 1997, it amounted to $22,000 per year, last than half of a full year's tuition, The Daily News reports.

There may be something wrong with your country when a half-million dollar trust set up decades prior cannot put a student through school. Shameful.
 
2013-05-15 02:55:34 PM

Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.


Only for assholes.
 
2013-05-15 02:55:56 PM

Brick-House: Elegy: There was nothing wrong with this. Why did Columbia cave in to pressure?

Its called political correctness which is really farkin up this country.


That, and the whole "IT'S ILLEGAL" thing, which I'm sure had nothing at all to do with the decision to stop awarding it.

Double-fail.
 
2013-05-15 02:57:21 PM
Why didn't they play the race card? Oh right, they're white.
 
2013-05-15 02:57:38 PM

Bullseyed: The millions of various black only and mexican only scholarships were unavailable for comment.


No they were not, here they are
 
2013-05-15 02:58:52 PM

titwrench: UrukHaiGuyz: HotWingConspiracy: I've always wanted to open a restaurant named "Whites Only", and have everything inside be white. Walls, table cloths, etc.

Then on opening night I'd only invite non-whites.

I think I planned on masturbating on something too, it was an art project. You have to masturbate or it's not art.

Well in that case call me Picasso.


Really? You didn't go with Jacksoff Pollack?


Well my first thought was de Pooning, but I thought I'd try for the wider audience.

/everyone's a critic
//but I like your style
 
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