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(TV3 (Ireland))   Moffat trolls Doctor Who fans to the max by naming John Hurt the 9th Doctor in the 50th Anniversary, thus reshuffling Eccleston as the 10th, Tennant as the 11th, and Smith as the 12th   (tv3.ie) divider line 112
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2013-05-15 01:40:28 PM
Didn't Moffat initially say that John Hurt was playing PART of a Doctor?  My guess would be The Valeyard.  The comment about Hurt playing the 9th Doctor came from The Sun, which is the UK's National Enquirer.  I don't believe it one bit.
 
2013-05-15 01:42:28 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: Shalka Doctor was brought back into canon.

See, that's why I ignored it.

If they're doing that, why not make Rowan Atkinson 9, Richard E. Grant 10, Jim Broadbent 11, Hugh Grant 11, Joana Lumley 12, Eccleston 13, etc?

I also heard Shakla wasn't very good.


Shalka was a real attempt to create new Doctor Who before the new series took off. It was intended to be the Ninth Doctor. Then they announced the new series, and things went all... wibbly wobbly.

The rest were, what, one-off comedy spots?

IIRC, RTD threw the Shalka Doctor out because he figured it would be confusing to have an animated Doctor in there between McGann and Eccleston, since they were trying to build an audience for the new show and would be mentioning the old guys eventually... or something like that.

But now, they seem to have a live action Shalka Doctor at the ready.

/should have known something was up when they announced the DVD release. No way that would have gotten a solo release without something major.

//Oh, and of something like this does turn out to be what happens... I think I could dig it. A forgotten Doctor sounds like an interesting storyline.
 
2013-05-15 01:43:47 PM

PizzaJedi81: TheGrayCat: James!: I'd love to see Paul McGann again.  He's had a pretty prolific run in the books and comics.

I'd love to see Paul McGann again. He is pretty.


[mattcbr.files.wordpress.com image 599x403]

Oh, hello there.


www.kasterborous.com
He got to change his look since the old one picked up a great deal of lice while visiting the French Revolution. It had to be burned in a supernova.
 
2013-05-15 01:45:45 PM

FunkOut: PizzaJedi81: TheGrayCat: James!: I'd love to see Paul McGann again.  He's had a pretty prolific run in the books and comics.

I'd love to see Paul McGann again. He is pretty.


[mattcbr.files.wordpress.com image 599x403]

Oh, hello there.

[www.kasterborous.com image 300x215]
He got to change his look since the old one picked up a great deal of lice while visiting the French Revolution. It had to be burned in a supernova.


Really? Is that how they justified dropping the wig?

I kinda like it.
 
2013-05-15 01:47:10 PM

FirstNationalBastard: A forgotten Doctor sounds like an interesting storyline.


Especially since this season's been about him deleting himself from all sorts of databanks and historical records.

Which makes the Great Intelligence such a good villain for the season.

I'm almost, ALMOST sold on the Shakla idea.
 
2013-05-15 01:48:50 PM
So does that mean the fall of the 11th has already happened?
 
2013-05-15 01:49:10 PM
Mokinokarao: That's exactly what it was James.

They hired him for one year because they weren't sure if the show would be back.   So, of course he lined up other work for after.   Once his tenet was up he wanted to return but already had other commitments.

AdolfOliverPanties: Not according to Eccleston:

I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I left because of politics. I did not see eye to eye with them. I didn't agree with the way things were being run. I didn't like the culture that had grown up around the series....
I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility. The price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of sh*t. I'm not being funny about that. I didn't want to do that and, it comes to the art of it, in a way.... We are vulnerable as actors and we are constantly humiliating ourselves auditioning. But if you allow that to go on on a grand scale., you will lose whatever it is about you, and it will be present in your work....

You've got to have standards, no matter how hard work that is.... It's easy to find a job when you've got no morals, you've got nothing to be compromised....

I'm sure they were glad to see the back of me. The important thing is that I succeeded. It was a great part. I loved playing [the Doctor]. I loved connecting with that audience. Because I've always acted for adults and then suddenly, you're acting for children. Who are far more tasteful, they will not be bullshiatted.


I heard the reason was something like this.  As much as I would have loved for him to be the Doctor a lot longer, I always admired Eccleston for sticking to his principals.
 
2013-05-15 01:50:16 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: A forgotten Doctor sounds like an interesting storyline.

Especially since this season's been about him deleting himself from all sorts of databanks and historical records.

Which makes the Great Intelligence such a good villain for the season.

I'm almost, ALMOST sold on the Shakla idea.


I've been biatching for two seasons about how the show isn't about the Doctor, just mostest specialest girl in the universe #314159.

A forgotten Doctor, the ramifications of that, and what this means to the Doctor would be farking great. It would be a season about The Doctor.

/and Smith has been farking Marvelous since the Crimson Horror left. I'd love to see him get a season to shine before Doctor #12 (13?).
 
2013-05-15 01:52:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Crimson Horror


Favorite episode of the season, and top 10 of the new series, easy. Hide was excellent, too. Silver Nightmare was good, and Gaiman managaed to do something that I didn't expect to happen: He made me enjoy a NuWho Cybermen episode.
 
2013-05-15 01:52:52 PM

damageddude: So does that mean the fall of the 11th has already happened?


Actually... yes. Tennant going all apeshiat and thinking he was the bestest Time Lord ever, then whining because he had to go.

/and oh, what a fall that was.
 
2013-05-15 01:54:55 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: Crimson Horror

Favorite episode of the season, and top 10 of the new series, easy. Hide was excellent, too. Silver Nightmare was good, and Gaiman managaed to do something that I didn't expect to happen: He made me enjoy a NuWho Cybermen episode.


The second half of the season has been decent. Nothing amazing, but nothing horrible. And definitely better than the first half of the season. The three episodes you mentioned are also probably my favorites of the season.

/and Mostest Specialest Leaf in All the Universe is good for mocking the Amy Pond intro.
 
2013-05-15 01:55:58 PM

FirstNationalBastard: the bestest Time Lord ever


upload.wikimedia.org

I'm sorry, my dear boy, but did you say something? I was busy reversing the polarity of the neutron flow and, well...saving the universe.
 
2013-05-15 01:56:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Shalka was a real attempt to create new Doctor Who before the new series took off. It was intended to be the Ninth Doctor. Then they announced the new series, and things went all... wibbly wobbly.


www.rankopedia.com

Knows what you're talking about.
 
2013-05-15 01:58:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: And definitely better than the first half of the season


Better in general, yes, but I did enjoy Asylum of the Daleks. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was a fun episode, not great, but fun. And A town Called Mercy got better on rewatch. Power of Three and Angels Take Manhattan were mediocre at best.
 
2013-05-15 01:59:24 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: Shalka Doctor was brought back into canon.

See, that's why I ignored it.

If they're doing that, why not make Rowan Atkinson 9, Richard E. Grant 10, Jim Broadbent 11, Hugh Grant 11, Joana Lumley 12, Eccleston 13, etc?

I also heard Shakla wasn't very good.


And oddly enough, Richard E. Grant (the "Tenth" Doctor in "Curse of the Fatal Death) was also the official "Ninth" Doctor (the Shakla Doctor) until Eccleston became the Doctor and it was made official that he was the Ninth. Now Grant is back and he is pissed as he is The Great Intelligence!
 
2013-05-15 02:01:30 PM

Richard_The_Clown: Now Grant is back and he is pissed as he is The Great Intelligence!


Well, it's always more fun to play the villain anyway...
 
2013-05-15 02:03:44 PM

verbaltoxin: There's already 13 incarnations.

[www.petercushing.com image 339x426]


In the Peter Cushing movies it was a human called Doctor Who. Who was his real last name. Of course in the 8th Doctor story, they put in that bs that he was half human to explain why he loved Earth.
 
2013-05-15 02:20:04 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: Crimson Horror

Favorite episode of the season, and top 10 of the new series, easy. Hide was excellent, too. Silver Nightmare was good, and Gaiman managaed to do something that I didn't expect to happen: He made me enjoy a NuWho Cybermen episode.


well.... yeah. It's Gaiman. How can you expect anything other than greatness when he gets involved with Who?
 
2013-05-15 02:21:27 PM

PizzaJedi81: FirstNationalBastard: And definitely better than the first half of the season

Better in general, yes, but I did enjoy Asylum of the Daleks. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was a fun episode, not great, but fun. And A town Called Mercy got better on rewatch. Power of Three and Angels Take Manhattan were mediocre at best.


Angels Take Manhattan's high point was the weeping angel cherubs. God, how I loathe cherubs.
 
2013-05-15 02:24:10 PM

FunkOut: Angels Take Manhattan's high point was the weeping angel cherubs. God, how I loathe cherubs


Creepiest part of the episode...and the ONLY good part, far as I'm concerned.

Well...okay, River and the Doctor's scene after Amy and Rory left was sweet.
 
2013-05-15 02:24:52 PM

limeyfellow: verbaltoxin: There's already 13 incarnations.

[www.petercushing.com image 339x426]

In the Peter Cushing movies it was a human called Doctor Who. Who was his real last name. Of course in the 8th Doctor story, they put in that bs that he was half human to explain why he loved Earth.



I fully expect the Time Lords to ultimately be the offspring of River and the Doctor.  Thus cementing the fascination as well as why 'humans look like timelords' and creating a closed loop.
 
2013-05-15 02:34:12 PM

BafflerMeal: limeyfellow: verbaltoxin: There's already 13 incarnations.

[www.petercushing.com image 339x426]

In the Peter Cushing movies it was a human called Doctor Who. Who was his real last name. Of course in the 8th Doctor story, they put in that bs that he was half human to explain why he loved Earth.


I fully expect the Time Lords to ultimately be the offspring of River and the Doctor.  Thus cementing the fascination as well as why 'humans look like timelords' and creating a closed loop.


So his parents are his own grandchildren?
 
2013-05-15 02:36:02 PM

BafflerMeal: limeyfellow: verbaltoxin: There's already 13 incarnations.

[www.petercushing.com image 339x426]

In the Peter Cushing movies it was a human called Doctor Who. Who was his real last name. Of course in the 8th Doctor story, they put in that bs that he was half human to explain why he loved Earth.


I fully expect the Time Lords to ultimately be the offspring of River and the Doctor.  Thus cementing the fascination as well as why 'humans look like timelords' and creating a closed loop.


That would take some fantastic hand waving, as since the time vortex was centered at the Eye of Harmony, and the Eye was centered on Gallifrey, time travelers were bound to "Gallifreyan time" and traveling back to Gallifrey before the creation of the Eye was something that never could happen (unless the plot called for it)/.

Also, I always took that whole exchange about being human as a metaphor. Like saying you're half-cat after landing on your feet.
 
2013-05-15 03:10:58 PM

Hebalo: This would be Doctor Who's shark jumping event.


If it didn't already happen.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-15 03:15:17 PM

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Hebalo: This would be Doctor Who's shark jumping event.

If it didn't already happen.

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That's not from Timelash.
 
2013-05-15 03:21:00 PM

dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.


BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.
 
2013-05-15 03:22:29 PM

Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.


Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?
 
2013-05-15 03:24:37 PM

Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.


For the Fifth Doctor, they're airing Earthshock, which will show us Yanks what Rick Berman should have done to Wesley Crusher.

/Sixth has to be Vengeance on Varos. Seventh... Fenric or Remembrance. Eighth has one choice, and to pad out the time slot, I'm guessing 9, 10, and 11 (or is that 10, 11, and 12?) all get a two-part episode.
 
2013-05-15 03:25:40 PM

PizzaJedi81: Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.

Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?


Too late now. Although there is a version of Shada starring the Eighth Doctor that was an audio play with limited flash animation.
 
2013-05-15 03:28:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: 9, 10, and 11 (or is that 10, 11, and 12?) all get a two-part episode.


9. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
10. Human Nature/Family of Blood or SIlence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
11. The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
 
2013-05-15 03:30:27 PM

PizzaJedi81: Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.

Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?


That would be awesome, but it is sadly probably way more than the budget BBCA has allotted for these.
 
2013-05-15 03:32:43 PM

Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.

Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?

That would be awesome, but it is sadly probably way more than the budget BBCA has allotted for these.


Hell, BBC Entertainment will only allot the money to animate no more than two missing episodes for DVD, so BBC America probably has nothing but a coffee can full of nickels and a Star Trek: TNG rerun to work with.
 
2013-05-15 03:35:21 PM

Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.

Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?

That would be awesome, but it is sadly probably way more than the budget BBCA has allotted for these.


I'd still like to see it happen, even if not for these monthly specials. Might be a great way to keep/gain viewers during the off season.
 
2013-05-15 03:39:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Mad_Radhu: PizzaJedi81: Mad_Radhu: dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.

BBC America will likely be showing it in August, since they don't really have any other options for his episode of The Doctors Revisited.

Animate some of the Big Finish stuff?

That would be awesome, but it is sadly probably way more than the budget BBCA has allotted for these.

Hell, BBC Entertainment will only allot the money to animate no more than two missing episodes for DVD, so BBC America probably has nothing but a coffee can full of nickels and a Star Trek: TNG rerun to work with.


Hell, I'm not even 100% certain they'll have the money to pay Fox for the US rights to show the movie until I see it on the August schedule. They may just talk for a bit about the interstitial period and show Curse of the Fatal death and Dimensions In Time.
 
2013-05-15 03:50:59 PM
New doctor?

Can I vote for this guy?
 
2013-05-15 03:51:20 PM
And maybe this Doctor could give us some answer on what the fark happened to Ace.
 
2013-05-15 03:53:24 PM
Silly image. Take 2.

crystalmaze.marcgerrish.com
 
2013-05-15 04:19:54 PM
I've missed a couple episodes, did they ever explain why the tardis exploded at the end of 11's first season?  At this point that plot point is way past "that's cool setting it up for the future" and are squarely in "ok, this is officially annoying"
 
2013-05-15 04:33:58 PM

shut_it_down: I've missed a couple episodes, did they ever explain why the tardis exploded at the end of 11's first season?  At this point that plot point is way past "that's cool setting it up for the future" and are squarely in "ok, this is officially annoying"


It has not been properly explained yet.  Good catch up:

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/25432/doctor-who-what-explode d- the-tardis
 
2013-05-15 04:57:09 PM
BafflerMeal
shut_it_down:
I've missed a couple episodes, did they ever explain why the tardis exploded at the end of 11's first season? At this point that plot point is way past "that's cool setting it up for the future" and are squarely in "ok, this is officially annoying"

It has not been properly explained yet. Good catch up:


Hm, I might have to watch that again, I didn't think there was anything missing.
I thought he crashed the TARDIS into the sun to reboot the universe and that was the explosion in the previous episodes (i.e. just usual wibbly-wobbly, time-loopy stuff).
 
2013-05-15 05:23:12 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Not to worry. Moffat already put this issue of only having 12 regenerations to rest!! To paraphrase: Don't worry we'll do what we always do, we'll make something up.


Didn't he or Davies already establish that this 12 regenerations thing was more a Time Lord rule or convention and not a "fact" of their re-engineered biology?
 
2013-05-15 05:30:45 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Not to worry. Moffat already put this issue of only having 12 regenerations to rest!! To paraphrase: Don't worry we'll do what we always do, we'll make something up.

Didn't he or Davies already establish that this 12 regenerations thing was more a Time Lord rule or convention and not a "fact" of their re-engineered biology?


Time Lords were transferring regenerations (or attempting to) as far back as Davison and Baker 2.

In Fact, in the Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered The Master a new set of regenerations if he helped The Doctor.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:52 PM

shut_it_down: I've missed a couple episodes, did they ever explain why the tardis exploded at the end of 11's first season?  At this point that plot point is way past "that's cool setting it up for the future" and are squarely in "ok, this is officially annoying"


I thought it was implied that it was the first attempt by the Silence to kill the Doctor, and they either didn't know it would end the universe, or the repercussions of the Doctor speaking his name are so dire that the universe exploding is trivial by comparison.

Basically, as I understand it, the season 5-7 main plot is progressing like this:

Why did the TARDIS explode? The Silence was trying to kill the Doctor
Why is the Silence trying to kill the Doctor? So the answer to the oldest question will not be spoken.
What is the oldest question? "Doctor who?"

Basically the answer to every question opens up another question in the main story. Along the way, we have other questions tying in like "who is River Song?" and "What is up with Clara?"
 
2013-05-15 05:43:00 PM

verbaltoxin: James!: Hurt will play the Valeyard an evil version of the doctor from between the 12th and 13th regenerations.

When you take that in with Cushing's Who, there have been 14 versions of the Doctor.


That was a human being who invented a time machine, not a descendant of Gallifrey.
 
2013-05-15 05:46:11 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Crotchrocket Slim: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Not to worry. Moffat already put this issue of only having 12 regenerations to rest!! To paraphrase: Don't worry we'll do what we always do, we'll make something up.

Didn't he or Davies already establish that this 12 regenerations thing was more a Time Lord rule or convention and not a "fact" of their re-engineered biology?

Time Lords were transferring regenerations (or attempting to) as far back as Davison and Baker 2.

In Fact, in the Five Doctors, the Time Lords offered The Master a new set of regenerations if he helped The Doctor.


In any case, shenanigans exist in universe already to get around this finite number of regenerations.

Wasn't there a race of humanoids living in some sort of ark that the Time Lords encountered early in their own history who got a bunch of Time Lord tech from them (before the Time Lords figured out this was a Bad, Bad Idea) and were in the habit of infinitely regenerating until they could reestablish a homeworld? I can't recall the name of the ep or the aliens though (this was a 4th Doctor serial as I recall).
 
2013-05-15 05:52:44 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Wasn't there a race of humanoids living in some sort of ark that the Time Lords encountered early in their own history who got a bunch of Time Lord tech from them (before the Time Lords figured out this was a Bad, Bad Idea) and were in the habit of infinitely regenerating until they could reestablish a homeworld? I can't recall the name of the ep or the aliens though (this was a 4th Doctor serial as I recall).


Underworld. It was the first Doctor Who episode I watched as a wee lad.
 
2013-05-15 06:03:29 PM
One thing I find amusing when people gripe about unanswered or open ended question on Dr. Who. Part of the show has always been that some questions aren't answered for a few episodes or a few years or even a few Doctors. It's one of the more brilliant things the writers have managed to keep going, if the questions were always answered right off it would become a much more linear show and well Dr. Who isn't supposed to be linear.
 
2013-05-15 06:15:21 PM
The Valeyard would be next then.
 
2013-05-15 06:18:50 PM

Hebalo: This would be Doctor Who's shark jumping event.


No, that was the Sylvester McCoy era.
 
2013-05-15 07:26:59 PM

dennysgod: Anybody got a good link where I can watch the full version of Doctor Who: The Movie with Paul McGann, don't care if it streaming or torrant. I tried looking briefly this weekend with not much luck, other then finding 18 5-minute clips.


Try here.
 
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