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2013-05-15 04:58:19 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: soopey: jayhawk88: But Notes lives on. Christ, nuclear war won't destroy Notes. It'll just be cockroaches and some dude in a basement office trying to figure out how to forward a meeting request.

I hate Lotus Notes with a passion unrivaled by any other software package in my life.

Yes, it sucked.


It still sucks.
 
2013-05-15 05:01:18 PM  

nekom: RyansPrivates: nekom: I don't think I've ever used a Lotus product in my life, and I'm fairly old school.

By definition I don't think you are old school unless you have ever switched out program disk for the graphics disk in lotus...

I've switched out the program disk and the DOS disk.  I've saved and loaded programs on cassette tape (granted I was very young then), I used to run a BBS and had a Fidonet node.  Just never touched anything Lotus that I recall.

/slmr, dsz, frontdoor 2.02j.  press <ESC> twice for BBS, thedraw, cshow, etc.


touche...best friend had a VIC-20 with a cassette drive damn thing never worked like it was supposed to.  Remember many a late night trying to war dial looking for BBS connections (or anything for that matter).  Found a bank connection once but didn't do anything with it. I remember one BBS where I uploaded the game "Digger" only to figure out that it was pirated.  I went into a virtual panic and sent a message to the SYSOP.  He didn't seem to worry about it too much, but took it down anyway.

Was so excited when I went off to college and saw Kermit for the first time, only to be blown away by the first web page I saw a few years later.
 
2013-05-15 05:02:55 PM  

soopey: jayhawk88: But Notes lives on. Christ, nuclear war won't destroy Notes. It'll just be cockroaches and some dude in a basement office trying to figure out how to forward a meeting request.

I hate Lotus Notes with a passion unrivaled by any other software package in my life.


So, I'll go ahead and guess you work for IBM...
 
2013-05-15 05:11:19 PM  
cue grumpy cat...

good riddance. notes sucks. dominos suck. biatch to manage...
 
2013-05-15 05:35:00 PM  

Vaneshi: namatad: /Imagine how different the world would be if those companies could have changed their business models to at least confront the MS monster?

Wouldn't of made any difference what so ever.  You couldn't write a word processor that'd fire up and open documents faster than Word, same for all the others really.  The reason isn't that Microsoft's programmers where shiat hot... it's that Microsoft cheat.   "Here are the complete API's for making a Windows program (except for the hidden bits we won't tell you about which are 10x faster)" doesn't really make it a fair fight.

Of course back in the day this was all supposition and Microsoft did use the fact that Office was faster than SmartSuite (and others) in its marketing material; today we know the truth of the matter: Never trust the Beast of Redmond, they lie.


Kinda like Apple with browsers on the iphone?  They are all wrappers for a slower version of safari?
 
2013-05-15 05:51:13 PM  

RyansPrivates: By definition I don't think you are old school unless you have ever switched out program disk for the graphics disk in lotus...


Lotus was an IBM thing.  Commodore 64/128 users had geoCALC included with our GEOS disks.  Amiga users could get Turbo Calc.
 
2013-05-15 05:54:19 PM  

Pardon Me Sultan: soopey: jayhawk88: But Notes lives on. Christ, nuclear war won't destroy Notes. It'll just be cockroaches and some dude in a basement office trying to figure out how to forward a meeting request.

I hate Lotus Notes with a passion unrivaled by any other software package in my life.

So, I'll go ahead and guess you work for IBM...


If there's one thing IBM is good at, it's vendor lock-in.  I work for a large company that still uses Lotus Notes, and as much as everyone would like to move away from it, the amount of work that would be involved in switching to anything else is terrifying.

/don't even get me started on CM Synergy
 
2013-05-15 06:19:13 PM  
They never made a version of it for the Babbage Analytical Engine, so I didn't use it.

/leeks on my belt
//before we discovered onions
 
2013-05-15 06:22:04 PM  

2wolves: Shft + F7

A number of huge law firms in DC dropped a ton of money putting all their standard documents into WP v5.1. They didn't migrate to Word until the late 2000s.



If it ain't broke...

As for true nightmare fuel, how about WordStar?
 
2013-05-15 06:28:23 PM  

SamWaters: Lotus was blamed for causing the S&L financial crisis in the 90's.  Many a nitwit used it to project bogus projections with bad calculations.  But because these projections were 'computerized' they were taken as gospel.  R.I.P.


It's funny that we don't hear anyone blaming Microsoft for the austerity fiasco.
 
2013-05-15 06:38:52 PM  
VI will never die.
 
2013-05-15 06:45:41 PM  

Donnchadha: xanadian: Lotus 1-2-3 still exists?  Er, existed?

/what an abomination of a software suite

1-2-3 isn't/wasn't a "Suite"... it was just a spreadsheet program


1. Spreadsheet
2. Charting/Graphing
3. Database

At least at one point that I recall it was touted as a type of "suite" because it offered 3 distinct functions where competing programs at the time only offered one.  But that was back under DOS 3.2, so I'll have to consult the onion on my belt to be sure.
 
2013-05-15 06:52:04 PM  
I don't know about 1-2-3, but Lotus Notes sucks(ed) donkey dick.
 
2013-05-15 07:03:25 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: 2wolves: Shft + F7

A number of huge law firms in DC dropped a ton of money putting all their standard documents into WP v5.1. They didn't migrate to Word until the late 2000s.

If it ain't broke...

As for true nightmare fuel, how about WordStar?


And PeachCalc. WordStar had that cool markup language going for it, though.
 
2013-05-15 07:09:37 PM  

namatad: What kind of cretins would make that kind of a business decision?


Not only that, but all three figured that Windows was just a fad.

MS Office was, early on, the only game in town for office software under windows.

Lotus, Quattro, Wordperfect, dBase never caught up.

Seequinn: But that was back under DOS 3.2, so I'll have to consult the onion on my belt to be sure.


You're onion is true, young one.  Visicalc required an add on for graphing, and lotus added a few database style functions to make it pretend to be a database... but it wasn't anywhere near as powerful as dbase... but 123 people used it instead of a database anyway...
 
2013-05-15 07:22:09 PM  

soopey: jayhawk88: But Notes lives on. Christ, nuclear war won't destroy Notes. It'll just be cockroaches and some dude in a basement office trying to figure out how to forward a meeting request.

I hate Lotus Notes with a passion unrivaled by any other software package in my life.


There are many reasons why Lotus Notes makes the worst software list every year.  It looks like it was cobbled together by a bunch of monkeys.  Different parts of it behave differently than others, doesn't follow Windows standards for how buttons work, delete on the keyboard means something different than File->Delete, and on, and on, and on...
 
2013-05-15 07:36:35 PM  

Donnchadha: Englebert Slaptyback: Donnchadha

Englebert Slaptyback: I'll leave the president's total (visible) yearly compensation as an exercise for the reader.

And do you see what's written in Column H? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? No, you don't...


*sigh* The point - which soared majestically over your head - is that the company president had a salary of $150000 in column F and a bonus of $100000 in column G. IOW, he would have received $250000 for that year, not $150000 as stated in the post that you quoted.

Also you should note that I specified the president's "visible yearly compensation" precisely because the other columns (if any) were not visible.

My point... which sailed even more majestically over your head... is that that was his compensation *on the books*. You don't know what he was making *off the books* and maybe he total compensation was $4.5 billion.

Even more important, however, is that we're debating a screenshot of a spreadsheet tutorial.


Take your tinfoil hat and go home.
 
2013-05-15 07:38:03 PM  

Gunderson: [cdn-static.zdnet.com image 620x465]

You know it's obsolete when they have a company president only making $150,000/yr


Half of the employees are managers, and the other half are sales. No productive staff. No support staff. That is a silly company even if it is just a hypothetical example.
 
2013-05-15 08:07:22 PM  

Myria: SuperChuck: Huh. I guess DOS is finally done.

Fry'd Electronics still use some kind of DOS text mode point of sale and inventory tracking software.  They even run it on XP in a DOS box,  it's sad, really.


You'd be surprised how much old tech lurks in the shadows. A few years ago I was working on a project for a large retailer and discovered their merchandising machines all used as a critical component a piece of software published in PC Magazine in the late 80s. I often wondered if the guy who wrote it ever shopped at any of their stores, not knowing that his program from decades before was running on machines he obliviously walked past without giving them a thought.
 
2013-05-15 08:15:37 PM  

Russ1642: I just assumed it was dead a decade ago.


So much this.
 
2013-05-15 08:28:12 PM  

TwoHead: make me some tea: nekom: I don't think I've ever used a Lotus product in my life, and I'm fairly old school.

Same here.

Off my lawn!  Learning to use their cell based programming language scored me big points at a company I worked for.  I really liked Lotus in those days.

Later I had to help construct a bridge between a Groupwise server and a Lotus Notes server and the scars left me feeling a lot less like.

OK, you kids grab a cookie and tell grandma to fetch my medicine.


Ha! That's nothing. Try bridging msmail and groupwise. "You can't get there from here, you gotta go somewhere else first".

Made it work though. Damn that was a pain.
 
2013-05-15 09:01:46 PM  
www.sandsmuseum.com

"I don't have a 1-2-3-, I have a Super Seven!"
 
2013-05-15 09:22:24 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: 2wolves: Shft + F7

A number of huge law firms in DC dropped a ton of money putting all their standard documents into WP v5.1. They didn't migrate to Word until the late 2000s.


If it ain't broke...

As for true nightmare fuel, how about WordStar?


All those years of therapy ruined by one casual post here.

Add CalcStar and DataStar and the trifecta of sick is complete.
 
2013-05-15 09:46:36 PM  

2wolves: Shft + F7

A number of huge law firms in DC dropped a ton of money putting all their standard documents into WP v5.1. They didn't migrate to Word until the late 2000s.


Same with several Federal agencies. I had one .pdf document from one agency that required WordPerfect math fonts to render correctly. Still have those fonts, just in case.
 
2013-05-15 09:47:31 PM  

soopey: Notes


The large number of people expressing their hatred for Lotus Notes makes me happy. I spent six months contracting for Sprint LTD back in '97-98. God it sucked, and their use of Notes did not help matters.
 
2013-05-15 10:40:59 PM  

Russ1642: Lotus 123 is the Abe Vigoda of software. I just assumed it was dead a decade ago.


Done in one
 
2013-05-15 10:53:25 PM  

gopher321: Fark Lotus and Microsoft.

Open Office ftw.


Fark Open Office. Libre Office FTW

/get with the times
 
2013-05-15 11:04:12 PM  
.. and yet, Notes lives on.

BURY THAT farkING THING ALREADY.

Domino sucks. Notes sucks. You are Novell - stop it. Bury it.
 
2013-05-15 11:06:32 PM  

nekom: RyansPrivates: nekom: I don't think I've ever used a Lotus product in my life, and I'm fairly old school.

By definition I don't think you are old school unless you have ever switched out program disk for the graphics disk in lotus...

I've switched out the program disk and the DOS disk.  I've saved and loaded programs on cassette tape (granted I was very young then), I used to run a BBS and had a Fidonet node.  Just never touched anything Lotus that I recall.

/slmr, dsz, frontdoor 2.02j.  press <ESC> twice for BBS, thedraw, cshow, etc.


I set up and ran a TBBS (with TDBS) system.  that shiat was high end back then.
 
2013-05-16 12:18:42 AM  
For all of you WordPerfect fanbois here is a site that explains how to run 5.1 on a modern machine.
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/

Do any of you old schoolers remember this? Did my Bar Mitzvah thank you notes using it. Saved me a ton of time.
www.pcmuseum.ca
 
2013-05-16 12:40:49 AM  
i41.tinypic.com

RIP LOTUS EXCEL
 
2013-05-16 01:11:33 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: VI will never die.


Luxury.  In my day,  we had ed, and we liked it.
 
2013-05-16 06:39:45 AM  
I think I learned spreadsheets on Lotus 1-2-3.  On an IBM PS/2.
 
2013-05-16 06:56:57 AM  
My dad just recently moved from 1-2-3 for DOS (which dates back to the copy I 'borrowed' from my college computer lab in 1989) a month or so ago. He insisted on using it over my protests, since it was a PITA to get a DOS program to talk to a USB printer. He has all his financial records, shopping lists, etc in 1-2-3 files even today.

I've got him started (reluctantly) using Excel and Open Office... the tech support calls have been pretty scarce lately but for those first couple weeks they were very frequent. It's not easy convincing a 78 year old to try something new after he's been using the old program for 20+ years.
 
2013-05-16 09:18:56 AM  
renekmueller.com
RIP Locutus
 
2013-05-16 01:11:34 PM  

Pentaxian: For all of you WordPerfect fanbois here is a site that explains how to run 5.1 on a modern machine.
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/

Do any of you old schoolers remember this? Did my Bar Mitzvah thank you notes using it. Saved me a ton of time.
[www.pcmuseum.ca image 200x277]


Our middle school newspaper was composed on the Apple II version of Bankstreet Writer.

/shudders
 
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