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(Slate)   Writer who had never seen any Star Trek decides to watch every episode and every movie to see what the fuss is about. Conclusion? It's awesome, and thank god the animated series isn't canon   (slate.com) divider line 180
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2013-05-15 08:38:37 AM
I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.
 
2013-05-15 08:46:49 AM
TNG, TOS, and the first ten movies plus the reboot?

Or did he watch DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and anything else I left out too?

/Andromeda?
//DRTFA
 
2013-05-15 08:51:11 AM
THAT'S HILARIOUS.
 
2013-05-15 09:08:32 AM

DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.


They dumbed it down for kids and some of the stories were just godawful.  Seems like there was one good episode, but I don't even remember what it was now.  I haven't seen them in 20 years or so.

/The one that walter koenig wrote was particularly stupid.
 
2013-05-15 09:14:13 AM

DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.


I watched an episode recently. It's actually not bad. It's a lot less action-based and more cerebral than the TOS, though, because the animation is really cheap, so they have to make do with the stories.
 
2013-05-15 09:22:16 AM
As a teen, I liked the animated series well enough. But even then I was annoyed at the cheap animation. Especially the unmoving half-face dialog delivery.
 
2013-05-15 09:28:13 AM
The Animated Series was way better than I expected.  Yes it was a little dumbed down for kids, but not as much as most other cartoons.  Some of those episodes might as well have been TOS episodes.  (hell, Star Trek 5 was pretty much a ripoff of that one where they met Lucifer and he turned out to actually be a pretty OK guy.  Kind of surprised that actually made it on the air though...)

I thought the Life Support Belt was a great idea and wish they would have carried that forward in canon.

Kind of funny that their whole reason for making that up was a way to save money on animation.  I get that it's cheaper to draw a yellow line around a guy and say it's a force field, but is it really that much cheaper than just drawing a spacesuit?

/ You want to see a shiatty Animated Series adaptation of a good scifi show, go watch Stargate: Infinity.  Dear lord that was terrible.
 
2013-05-15 09:32:45 AM
I think the article does make a really good point though, which is that Star Trek is really only at home on TV. As successful as these movies are, their greatest achievement would be giving us a new TV series. It's kind of weird there hasn't been any rumors or talk about that at all.
 
2013-05-15 09:33:17 AM

serial_crusher: Kind of funny that their whole reason for making that up was a way to save money on animation. I get that it's cheaper to draw a yellow line around a guy and say it's a force field, but is it really that much cheaper than just drawing a spacesuit?


Yes it is. The force field can be drawn on a transparency and overlaid on top of previously drawn stock animation. Drawing a spacesuit requires you to draw an additional animation.
 
2013-05-15 09:44:16 AM

DamnYankees: I think the article does make a really good point though, which is that Star Trek is really only at home on TV. As successful as these movies are, their greatest achievement would be giving us a new TV series. It's kind of weird there hasn't been any rumors or talk about that at all.


They're still waiting for the stink of Enterprise to wear off, and I don't think it's ready yet.  The original universe is full of enough back story to drive off casual viewers who don't want to do a bunch of research to figure out why Riker has an evil twin or why it makes any sense that Data's grandpa was continuing Khan's genetic experiments and that's why Klingons used to have forehead ridges, then didn't, but now do again.
And the Abramsverse isn't well established enough to do a show on another ship or time period (I'm guessing it would be hard to get that cast on board for a TV series, and you'd be rehashing too many classic episodes).

I've always thought they should do a series that takes place a hundred years or more post-Voyager.  Make it unique enough that the audience doesn't know whether it's in the Original Universe or the Abramsverse.  Drop subtle hints and let Internet forums create word of mouth advertising (but be careful... too many nerd wars are going to drive away the non-Trekkies).
 
2013-05-15 10:18:51 AM
I'm just now getting around to R-ing TFA.
Five television series adding up to many hundreds of episodes

Guy couldn't even be bothered to count them?

/ I guess maybe he just didn't want to have to subject his counting method to criticism. Yeesh, everything is difficult with Trekkies...
 
2013-05-15 10:24:15 AM

serial_crusher: They're still waiting for the stink of Enterprise to wear off, and I don't think it's ready yet


I think this is 100% wrong, on my counts.

Firstly, Enterprise ended in 2005. By the time a new TV show got on the air, it would be a 10 year gap. I think that's definitely good enough.

Secondly, do you really think the average person is thinking "ech, Enterprise was terrible, I won't be watching the new one"? Most average people don't remember Enterprise at all, and those who do are likely to be Star Trek fans who would watch.

Thirdly, the TV world has changed dramatically. Enterprise's ratings would be GREAT if put in today's world. I think the reason that show got the axe was less a matter of quality and more a matter of a changing TV viewership universe which the network didn't know what to do with.

Fourth, the last couple seasons of Enterprise were pretty damn good.
 
2013-05-15 10:43:11 AM

DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.


There are a few good episodes. What really stinks is the production values are really poor. It's the cheapest of the cheap early 70s Saturday morning animation.

Paramount should do a "special edition" and re-animate the entire series.
 
2013-05-15 10:46:09 AM
DamnYankees:  Fourth, the last couple seasons of Enterprise were pretty damn good.

Doubleplus this. The last season especially (except for the final episode) was better than the entire run of Voyager. That's the real pisser -- it got canned just as it got good.

And if anyone disagrees -- Mirror Hoshi says your argument is invalid.

journeymangm.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-15 10:47:54 AM
JJ Abrams writes articles now?
 
2013-05-15 10:48:38 AM
Kirk's middle name Tiberius was fist spoken in one of the animated episodes (BEM)...so at least that detail is considered canon.

DamnYankees: Secondly, do you really think the average person is thinking "ech, Enterprise was terrible, I won't be watching the new one"? Most average people don't remember Enterprise at all, and those who do are likely to be Star Trek fans who would watch.

Thirdly, the TV world has changed dramatically. Enterprise's ratings would be GREAT if put in today's world. I think the reason that show got the axe was less a matter of quality and more a matter of a changing TV viewership universe which the network didn't know what to do with.

Fourth, the last couple seasons of Enterprise were pretty damn good.


It's not that it was terrible....for me it just wasn't GREAT.  The episodes were OK, but that's about it.  And this went on for a couple of years, although one episode that stood out during that time was the one where the Vulcans were stranded on Earth in the 50s.  But the ep with the wrist nipple comes to mind....just kinda meh.

But yeah, the last couple of seasons were *much* better.  And In a Mirror Darkly was GREAT. (loved the Mirror Universe credits)
 
2013-05-15 10:48:41 AM

DamnYankees: Thirdly, the TV world has changed dramatically. Enterprise's ratings would be GREAT if put in today's world. I think the reason that show got the axe was less a matter of quality and more a matter of a changing TV viewership universe which the network didn't know what to do with.


True, but I'd argue they still don't know what to do with it.  Cable subscriptions are down, piracy is up, and people have the audacity to watch what they want when they want instead of just leaving the TV on in the background for ads to generate revenue.  TV business still has a way to go before the major networks risk money on a big budget scifi show full of special effects.

I'm sure Netflix or Amazon would jump at the chance to host a new Star Trek series, but it's going to be just a little more expensive than Arrested Development.
WB probably has some money to sink into it, if they thought it would drum up enough viewers for their doomed streaming service.  It probably would.  (CBS owns the TV rights, but I have no idea what kind of relationship there is between CBS and WB, if any).

DamnYankees: Fourth, the last couple seasons of Enterprise were pretty damn good.


I agree with you there.  Season 4 was definitely better, but a lot of people had already given up.
 
2013-05-15 10:49:23 AM

ristst: It's not that it was terrible....for me it just wasn't GREAT.  The episodes were OK, but that's about it.  And this went on for a couple of years, although one episode that stood out during that time was the one where the Vulcans were stranded on Earth in the 50s.  But the ep with the wrist nipple comes to mind....just kinda meh.


This is true, it wasn't great. But compared to Voyager...?
 
2013-05-15 10:49:24 AM

DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.





The animated series is notable for me because of the frame rate.

About 15 frames per episode.
 
2013-05-15 10:50:23 AM

serial_crusher: TV business still has a way to go before the major networks risk money on a big budget scifi show full of special effects.


Who says it has to be a major network? You're telling me Syfy wouldn't do this?

Also, Star Trek needs to have a budget, but not a HUGE budget. It wouldn't need to be made movie-quality.
 
2013-05-15 10:50:34 AM
The third season of Enterprise was win all around.  I'm about to finish DS9 on Netflix, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

// Sisko has been my favorite captain since he punched Q in the face
 
2013-05-15 10:51:13 AM

DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.


It's not but there are one or two episodes worth seeing : The Slaver Weapon, for example, was written by Larry Niven and is something of a cross-over with his Known Space series.
 
2013-05-15 10:59:01 AM

ristst: But yeah, the last couple of seasons were *much* better. And In a Mirror Darkly was GREAT. (loved the Mirror Universe credits)


So much farking this.

So pissed it ended. Assholes will probably be screaming for more Archer in 20 years. Then it will be all, "Oh I loved Darkly Mirror." Assholes.
 
2013-05-15 11:01:48 AM

flaminio: DamnYankees:  Fourth, the last couple seasons of Enterprise were pretty damn good.

Doubleplus this. The last season especially (except for the final episode) was better than the entire run of Voyager. That's the real pisser -- it got canned just as it got good.

And if anyone disagrees -- Mirror Hoshi says your argument is invalid.

[journeymangm.files.wordpress.com image 550x399]


www.beertripper.com

I've got a slight bug up my ass about the mirror universe episodes though.  Early on in the Xindi thing, Archer made some moral compromises that paralleled the post-9/11 police state we were busy creating in the real life at the same time.
I really thought/hoped they were going to keep that going and have Enterprise ultimately be the genesis of the mirror universe, you know what with all the time travel.  That kind of statement is what good scifi is all about.  "Hey look, if we keep throwing people in gitmo indefinitely without a trial, spying on our own civilians, fingerbanging everybody who sets fut in an airport, we're going to turn out no better than the monstrosity that was the Terran Empire, instead of this nice utopian Federation that Roddenberry envisioned."

But no, let's just say mirror humans were always evil for no apparent reason.
 
2013-05-15 11:01:49 AM

Snapper Carr: DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.

It's not but there are one or two episodes worth seeing : The Slaver Weapon, for example, was written by Larry Niven and is something of a cross-over with his Known Space series.



Yeah, I believe the original Niven story was called "The Soft Weapon".
 
2013-05-15 11:03:21 AM
I always thought the third season of Enterprise was about 9/11 and the GWOT.
 
2013-05-15 11:12:01 AM
Enterprise wasn't canceled for bad ratings. It actually had some what good ratings for UPN. It was canceled because of the blacks. The head of the network said they were seeking the "urban viewer" and it didn't fit.
 
2013-05-15 11:12:38 AM
I had understood that CBS declared the animated series to be "canon" at the time that it was released on DVD.
 
2013-05-15 11:13:10 AM
More from this feature - Yglesias likes Voyager way too much.

Star Trek Movies From Best to Worst

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VIII: First Contact
Star Trek
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Star Trek Series From Best to Worst

The Next Generation
Deep Space Nine
Voyager
The Original Series
Enterprise

The 10 Best Star Trek Episodes

"The Best of Both Worlds," The Next Generation
"In the Pale Moonlight," Deep Space Nine
"Equinox," Voyager
"The City on the Edge of Forever," The Original Series
"Chain of Command," The Next Generation
"Cogenitor," Enterprise
"What You Leave Behind," Deep Space Nine
"The Trouble With Tribbles," The Original Series
"Time's Arrow," The Next Generation
"The Void," Voyager

The 10 Best Star Trek Villains

Q
Gul Dukat
Khan Noonien Singh
The Borg
Weyoun
Captain Ransom
Kruge
Lore
Lursa and B'Etor
Kai Winn

The 10 Best Star Trek Crew Members

Spock
Data
Worf
Kira Nerys
Leonard McCoy
William Riker
The Doctor
Hoshi Sato
Geordi LaForge
Dax
 
2013-05-15 11:13:15 AM
serial_crusher:

I've got a slight bug up my ass about the mirror universe episodes though.  Early on in the Xindi thing, Archer made some moral compromises that paralleled the post-9/11 police state we were busy creating in the real life at the same time.
I really thought/hoped they were going to keep that going and have Enterprise ultimately be the genesis of the mirror universe, you know what with all the time travel.  That kind of statement is what good scifi is all about.  "Hey look, if we keep throwing people in gitmo indefinitely without a trial, spying on our own civilians, fingerbanging everybody who sets fut in an airport, we're going to turn out no better than the monstrosity that was the Terran Empire, instead of this nice utopian Federation that Roddenberry envisioned."

But no, let's just say mirror humans were always evil for no apparent reason.



Damn that would have been epic!
 
2013-05-15 11:14:17 AM
Typically, Picard and the Enterprise-D face problems-Wesley's been sentenced to death, Riker is held prisoner on a pre-warp planet, Troi's mom is coming to visit, Tasha Yar is being pressed into a forced marriage-that could be easily solved by proton torpedoes or a commando squad

oh shiat son, you gonna get nerd raged.
 
2013-05-15 11:14:51 AM
I cannot make any judgement on this topic until we show pictures of Yeoman M'Ress.
 
2013-05-15 11:15:09 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Snapper Carr: DamnYankees: I've never seen the animated series. I can't imagine its good.

It's not but there are one or two episodes worth seeing : The Slaver Weapon, for example, was written by Larry Niven and is something of a cross-over with his Known Space series.


Yeah, I believe the original Niven story was called "The Soft Weapon".



It was better with a Puppeteer, than it was with a Vulcan.
The Trek universe has enough interesting aliens. They don't need the Kzinti.
 
2013-05-15 11:16:17 AM

DamnYankees: serial_crusher: TV business still has a way to go before the major networks risk money on a big budget scifi show full of special effects.

Who says it has to be a major network? You're telling me Syfy wouldn't do this?

Also, Star Trek needs to have a budget, but not a HUGE budget. It wouldn't need to be made movie-quality.


FU for even hypothesizing SyFy should do a Trek series.
 
2013-05-15 11:16:30 AM

serial_crusher: Typically, Picard and the Enterprise-D face problems-Wesley's been sentenced to death, Riker is held prisoner on a pre-warp planet, Troi's mom is coming to visit, Tasha Yar is being pressed into a forced marriage-that could be easily solved by proton torpedoes or a commando squad

oh shiat son, you gonna get nerd raged.


He already did:

Correction, May 15, 2013: This article originally referred to proton torpedoes rather than photon torpedoes.
 
2013-05-15 11:17:22 AM

AdrienVeidt: FU for even hypothesizing SyFy should do a Trek series.


SyFy gave us the best science fiction TV show of all time. They deserve some credit.
 
2013-05-15 11:17:55 AM

DamnYankees: Star Trek Series From Best to Worst

The Next Generation
Deep Space Nine
Voyager
The Original Series
Enterprise


Wrong:

DS9
TNG/TOS
Enterprise
Voyager
 
2013-05-15 11:18:50 AM

DamnYankees: The 10 Best Star Trek Crew Members

Spock
Data
Worf
Kira Nerys
Leonard McCoy
William Riker
The Doctor
Hoshi Sato
Geordi LaForge
Dax



Please cal him the EMH. We already have a "The Doctor."

And which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri? (I vote for Jadzia).
 
2013-05-15 11:19:14 AM

RexTalionis: Wrong:

DS9
TNG/TOS
Enterprise
Voyager


Of course he's wrong. He WAY overrates Voyager. The fact that he gives 2 of the top-10 episode slots of Voyager is a joke. Literally none of their episodes should make the top 25, maybe even top 50.
 
2013-05-15 11:19:50 AM

give me doughnuts: And which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri? (I vote for Jadzia).


Ezri was a much better character. Jadzia was staggeringly boring,
 
2013-05-15 11:20:22 AM

DamnYankees: This is true, it wasn't great. But compared to Voyager...?


This is a tough question.  Voyager get a lotta grief....Janeway in general seems to annoy people, Beltran phoning in his "performances", the Kazon, the castration of the Borg, ENDLESS temporal/timetravel episodes, the overuse of the reset button, and on and on.

But looking at the Voyager series overall, each season had  a few episodes that can be called "great".  Not the series as a whole mind you, but certain episodes do stand out.  Looking over the first season of Enterprise, I can't say that I would call *any* of those episodes "great".  Berman and Braga were clearly burned out and were obviously not able to do it anymore (at least in terms of quality).  Plus, Braga  and his idiotic obsession with time travel really got stale as the years went by.

However, I think one of the biggest problems with Voyager is that they couldn't adhere to their *own* continuity....much less the ST universe continuity.  They were ragged *so* hard for this, that Berman and Braga started called the biatchy fans "Continuity Farkers".

In retrospect, the fans were spot on.
 
2013-05-15 11:21:45 AM

DamnYankees: RexTalionis: Wrong:

DS9
TNG/TOS
Enterprise
Voyager

Of course he's wrong. He WAY overrates Voyager. The fact that he gives 2 of the top-10 episode slots of Voyager is a joke. Literally none of their episodes should make the top 25, maybe even top 50.


Year of Hell was interesting, and a better choice than those two he picked. But it wouldn't be in the top 5 or 10.

give me

doughnuts:
And which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri? (I vote for Jadzia).


He obviously meant Crewman Dax from Star Trek VI.
www.startrek.com
 
2013-05-15 11:22:05 AM

ristst: But looking at the Voyager series overall, each season had  a few episodes that can be called "great".


Oh god, I can't disagree with this more. I just did a Voyager re-watch last month, and I was actually surprised how they had NO great episodes. Like none. It's a wasteland. Occasionally there will be a good episode, and 95% of those center on The Doctor. But literally nothing great.
 
2013-05-15 11:22:14 AM

rjakobi: I cannot make any judgement on this topic until we show pictures of Yeoman M'Ress.


mimg.ugo.com

Fap away, ya freak.
 
2013-05-15 11:22:39 AM

DamnYankees: Star Trek Movies From Best to Worst

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Galaxy Quest
Master and Commander

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek: The Motion Picture

 
Star Trek VIII: First Contact
Star Trek
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
 
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

FTFY
 
2013-05-15 11:23:16 AM

t3knomanser: Galaxy Quest
Master and Commander


Galaxy Quest is utterly great.
 
2013-05-15 11:23:49 AM

DamnYankees: More from this feature - Yglesias likes Voyager way too much.

Star Trek Movies From Best to Worst

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VIII: First Contact
Star Trek
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Star Trek Series From Best to Worst

The Next Generation
Deep Space Nine
Voyager
The Original Series
Enterprise

The 10 Best Star Trek Episodes

"The Best of Both Worlds," The Next Generation
"In the Pale Moonlight," Deep Space Nine
"Equinox," Voyager
"The City on the Edge of Forever," The Original Series
"Chain of Command," The Next Generation
"Cogenitor," Enterprise
"What You Leave Behind," Deep Space Nine
"The Trouble With Tribbles," The Original Series
"Time's Arrow," The Next Generation
"The Void," Voyager

The 10 Best Star Trek Villains

Q
Gul Dukat
Khan Noonien Singh
The Borg
Weyoun
Captain Ransom
Kruge
Lore
Lursa and B'Etor
Kai Winn

The 10 Best Star Trek Crew Members

Spock
Data
Worf
Kira Nerys
Leonard McCoy
William Riker
The Doctor
Hoshi Sato
Geordi LaForge
Dax





I would add as best episode or episodes as the case may be the Vulcan three part arc of Enterprise. I loved the fact that humans while less advanced tech wise were more advanced as a cultural. Less war like less bigoted against religious minorities and differing life styles. They even had a gay rights subplot in it
 
2013-05-15 11:24:01 AM

DamnYankees: ristst: But looking at the Voyager series overall, each season had  a few episodes that can be called "great".

Oh god, I can't disagree with this more. I just did a Voyager re-watch last month, and I was actually surprised how they had NO great episodes. Like none. It's a wasteland. Occasionally there will be a good episode, and 95% of those center on The Doctor. But literally nothing great.


Since Netflix added all of the Star Trek series, I was trying to watch through the different shows as much as I can. I essentially skipped 80% of Voyager.
 
2013-05-15 11:24:53 AM

give me doughnuts: rjakobi: I cannot make any judgement on this topic until we show pictures of Yeoman M'Ress.

[mimg.ugo.com image 288x288]

Fap away, ya freak.


GISing for M'Ress turns up a great deal of fan art, much of the Rule 34 variety.

/or so says Ric Romero
 
2013-05-15 11:24:59 AM

RexTalionis: Since Netflix added all of the Star Trek series, I was trying to watch through the different shows as much as I can. I essentially skipped 80% of Voyager.


Exactly. There's just nothing there.
 
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