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2013-05-15 10:54:15 PM
Pope Francis is made of wood?
He turned me into a newt
 
2013-05-15 10:57:08 PM
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2013-05-15 11:18:17 PM

digitalrain: I am the farthest thing from incredibly special. I am just relating my own personal experience, that is all.
Why did He choose to comfort me? I don't know. You want to mock it, that's your right. I wouldn't presume
to tell anyone what or how to believe.

As far as me knowing that God exists - if you're asking if I have irrefutable concrete even-athiests-cant-
discount-this proof, then the answer is no. But that's kinda what faith is, isn't it? Believing in something
and knowing in your heart that something is real even without concrete proof.


How can you believe God spoke to you in a voice you could hear but you're not special?  That's some Joan of Arc-level intervention.  Have you thought about the millions of people in history who have lived brutal, tortuous lives, have cried out to God to comfort them, and have received no reply?  I suppose your faith doesn't extend that far; it only allows you to immediately conclude that the all-powerful creator of life, the universe, and everything saw you crying in a van and decided to give you a little pep talk.  Have you thought about how little sense that makes, or is the comfort of faith too dear to jeopardize by applying reason?

Did you know that a standard question when diagnosing metal illness is "Do you hear voices of people who aren't there?"?  The only other person in the thread who relates a similar experience thinks he can predict the future.  That's not great company to be in.  For the sake of others, I just hope you can differentiate the God voice from the one that tells you to swerve into oncoming traffic.  I have a feeling they're going to sound very similar.
 
2013-05-15 11:31:01 PM

Precision Boobery: digitalrain: I am the farthest thing from incredibly special. I am just relating my own personal experience, that is all.
Why did He choose to comfort me? I don't know. You want to mock it, that's your right. I wouldn't presume
to tell anyone what or how to believe.

As far as me knowing that God exists - if you're asking if I have irrefutable concrete even-athiests-cant-
discount-this proof, then the answer is no. But that's kinda what faith is, isn't it? Believing in something
and knowing in your heart that something is real even without concrete proof.

How can you believe God spoke to you in a voice you could hear but you're not special?  That's some Joan of Arc-level intervention.  Have you thought about the millions of people in history who have lived brutal, tortuous lives, have cried out to God to comfort them, and have received no reply?  I suppose your faith doesn't extend that far; it only allows you to immediately conclude that the all-powerful creator of life, the universe, and everything saw you crying in a van and decided to give you a little pep talk.  Have you thought about how little sense that makes, or is the comfort of faith too dear to jeopardize by applying reason?

Did you know that a standard question when diagnosing metal illness is "Do you hear voices of people who aren't there?"?  The only other person in the thread who relates a similar experience thinks he can predict the future.  That's not great company to be in.  For the sake of others, I just hope you can differentiate the God voice from the one that tells you to swerve into oncoming traffic.  I have a feeling they're going to sound very similar.


As I said before, you are entitled to your opinion. You are making a pretty broad assumption
that because I had what I believe to be a religious experience once that I hear voices. I do not.
And  I didnot literally hear a voice, for the record. I would try to explain better, but you would
just mock that too.

Why are some people who don't believe so outraged by people who do believe? I don't work
myself up  into a high dudgeon over your spiritual beliefs or lack thereof, so leave me mine and
let's moveon, okay?
 
2013-05-16 01:06:58 AM
God be praised!
www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-05-16 10:22:51 AM

Precision Boobery: digitalrain: I am the farthest thing from incredibly special. I am just relating my own personal experience, that is all.
Why did He choose to comfort me? I don't know. You want to mock it, that's your right. I wouldn't presume
to tell anyone what or how to believe.

As far as me knowing that God exists - if you're asking if I have irrefutable concrete even-athiests-cant-
discount-this proof, then the answer is no. But that's kinda what faith is, isn't it? Believing in something
and knowing in your heart that something is real even without concrete proof.

How can you believe God spoke to you in a voice you could hear but you're not special?  That's some Joan of Arc-level intervention.  Have you thought about the millions of people in history who have lived brutal, tortuous lives, have cried out to God to comfort them, and have received no reply?  I suppose your faith doesn't extend that far; it only allows you to immediately conclude that the all-powerful creator of life, the universe, and everything saw you crying in a van and decided to give you a little pep talk.  Have you thought about how little sense that makes, or is the comfort of faith too dear to jeopardize by applying reason?

Did you know that a standard question when diagnosing metal illness is "Do you hear voices of people who aren't there?"?  The only other person in the thread who relates a similar experience thinks he can predict the future.  That's not great company to be in.  For the sake of others, I just hope you can differentiate the God voice from the one that tells you to swerve into oncoming traffic.  I have a feeling they're going to sound very similar.


it's very east to believe.  A lot of us believe that is speaking to each and every one of us nearly all the time, but that in general we chose not to listen, and he, being a big fan of free will and all, doesn;t force us to do so.   That's why it's often the moments of extremis when our own facilties and strategies have failed that we hear Him, because it's only then that we aren't too busy saying "I got this, I don;t need your help" to listen.

And just for the record I don't believe I can predict the future, just that I have had prior knowledge of how things will turn out on several occasions it might have been perfect intutive processing rather than divine revelation but it was not entirely normal either.   Very much like the fact that two times my life has been in immediate danger of ending, my mother was able to wake out of a dead sleep, hundreds of miles away and KNOW with perfect certainty that this was the case.  Given that her hit rate is exactly 100% on this and she is not a women given to anxiety or panic attacks, that's a sign that something beyond what is currently accepted as the totality of physical reality (For all I know it was telepathy rather than a divine messsage, but it was SOMETHING) was occuring there
 
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