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2013-05-15 10:02:51 PM  

ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: The Grizz look like the only team that can really beat the Heat so far.  The Pacers might have a chance, but I'm not sure that they have a perimeter defender like Tony Allen (or Jimmy Butler for that matter) that can just be a nuisance for the Heat all game long.

With Deng, the Bulls could have pushed the series to 7 because with him in the game the Heat would have been a lot less effect offensively in the paint, and he would have provided the Bull's offense with a much needed presence in the paint.


Good point, missing Deng at that swing position really hurt the Bulls.  Butler, Noah, and Gibson are great, but they can only do so much for a team that fields Robinson, Boozer and Belinelli.
 
2013-05-15 10:04:05 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: The Grizz look like the only team that can really beat the Heat so far.  The Pacers might have a chance, but I'm not sure that they have a perimeter defender like Tony Allen (or Jimmy Butler for that matter) that can just be a nuisance for the Heat all game long.


Defensive Efficiency:

1. Indiana
2. Memphis
3. San Antonio/Oklahoma City
5. Chicago
7. Miami

If the teams that are leading close out their series, Miami will have the worst defense remaining in the playoffs. And they'll have to have gone through No. 5, No. 1, and either No. 2 or No. 3 defenses to get there.
 
2013-05-15 10:07:26 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: The Grizz look like the only team that can really beat the Heat so far.  The Pacers might have a chance, but I'm not sure that they have a perimeter defender like Tony Allen (or Jimmy Butler for that matter) that can just be a nuisance for the Heat all game long.

With Deng, the Bulls could have pushed the series to 7 because with him in the game the Heat would have been a lot less effect offensively in the paint, and he would have provided the Bull's offense with a much needed presence in the paint.

Good point, missing Deng at that swing position really hurt the Bulls.  Butler, Noah, and Gibson are great, but they can only do so much for a team that fields Robinson, Boozer and Belinelli.


Without Deng they really become a perimeter and fast break scoring team, and lose a lot of presence in the paint on defense.
 
2013-05-15 10:09:19 PM  

IAmRight: TheMexicansLoveMe: The Grizz look like the only team that can really beat the Heat so far.  The Pacers might have a chance, but I'm not sure that they have a perimeter defender like Tony Allen (or Jimmy Butler for that matter) that can just be a nuisance for the Heat all game long.

Defensive Efficiency:

1. Indiana
2. Memphis
3. San Antonio/Oklahoma City
5. Chicago
7. Miami

If the teams that are leading close out their series, Miami will have the worst defense remaining in the playoffs. And they'll have to have gone through No. 5, No. 1, and either No. 2 or No. 3 defenses to get there.


Is that from the regular season or playoffs so far?  I think considering some of the injuries it's not really fair use that metric for the Bulls.
 
2013-05-15 10:13:35 PM  
Jerry-D!!!

/he looks so much more menacing since his Blazer days
 
2013-05-15 10:15:29 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: Is that from the regular season or playoffs so far?  I think considering some of the injuries it's not really fair use that metric for the Bulls.


Regular season - let's not act like they had many issues with their defense in the postseason outside of a couple of games. And people are way overstating Deng's impact. Butler basically gave them everything he would've (except Butler would've had more rest and maybe they bench Belinelli more).
 
2013-05-15 10:18:28 PM  

IAmRight: TheMexicansLoveMe: Is that from the regular season or playoffs so far?  I think considering some of the injuries it's not really fair use that metric for the Bulls.

Regular season - let's not act like they had many issues with their defense in the postseason outside of a couple of games. And people are way overstating Deng's impact. Butler basically gave them everything he would've (except Butler would've had more rest and maybe they bench Belinelli more).


I think you're underestimating Deng's importance. He would have given them a boost on both sides of the floor and their rotation would have been much less goofy. It is good in the long term Butler got that playing time, so the Bulls have that one positive to take away, plus beating the Nets was impressive.
 
2013-05-15 10:21:05 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: Jerry-D!!!

/he looks so much more menacing since his Blazer days


And hes got those little T-Rex Arms

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-15 10:23:46 PM  
OKC fans always see to get overly pissed when their team fouls.
 
2013-05-15 10:25:47 PM  

IAmRight: TheMexicansLoveMe: Is that from the regular season or playoffs so far?  I think considering some of the injuries it's not really fair use that metric for the Bulls.

Regular season - let's not act like they had many issues with their defense in the postseason outside of a couple of games. And people are way overstating Deng's impact. Butler basically gave them everything he would've (except Butler would've had more rest and maybe they bench Belinelli more).


Uhh Deng shuts Lebron down just about every time they play. He makes Lebron a non factor in the games. Plus he gives them that in the paint scoring. Without him they become a perimeter shooting team.
 
2013-05-15 10:27:36 PM  

IAmRight: TheMexicansLoveMe: Is that from the regular season or playoffs so far?  I think considering some of the injuries it's not really fair use that metric for the Bulls.

Regular season - let's not act like they had many issues with their defense in the postseason outside of a couple of games. And people are way overstating Deng's impact. Butler basically gave them everything he would've (except Butler would've had more rest and maybe they bench Belinelli more).


Oh definitely the Heat have had some defensive issues so far.  Their lack of size in the front court really hurts them in the defense and rebounding department at times.  Now that I am looking a little more into the metrics it seems like Indiana matches up really well against them, so we'll see.
 
2013-05-15 10:30:15 PM  
The Comsih looks tired
 
2013-05-15 10:30:26 PM  
You gotta think Deng on Lebron/Butler on Wade would've given the Heat some real headaches, but only a healthy Rosé could've actually changed the outcome of that series.
 
2013-05-15 10:32:31 PM  
I was pretty excited about Seattle getting a team again, but still a little heartbroken that it might come at the expense of a great fanbase/arena in Sac-town.

/looking forward to the I-5 rivalries starting so I can 'hate' the Sonics and the Kings again
 
2013-05-15 10:33:59 PM  
Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.
 
2013-05-15 10:36:24 PM  

ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.


I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.
 
2013-05-15 10:38:37 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: You gotta think Deng on Lebron/Butler on Wade would've given the Heat some real headaches, but only a healthy Rosé could've actually changed the outcome of that series.


The Bulls made to the playoffs and were playing good without Rose. Hell they beat the Heat, and it wasn't even summer, without Rose. The difference between then and now was Deng. Deng is really their man in the paint. With Deng they are a horse, with Deng and Rose they are a horse with a knight on the back of it.
 
2013-05-15 10:38:37 PM  
Durant seems like a nice enough guy, but I can not stand all the flailing of the limbs whipping the head back and falling down, and the refs obliging with everything,
 
2013-05-15 10:42:50 PM  

ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.


Maybe but they still can't totally matchup financially with big markets. I'm going to assume that a team like Dallas has a better local TV deal and they get more local money.
 
2013-05-15 10:47:07 PM  
These threads get pretty quiet after the first game

/either that or the beer is kicking in
 
2013-05-15 10:50:35 PM  
Man, that was a nasty block by Gasol
 
2013-05-15 10:51:10 PM  
and another
 
2013-05-15 10:52:49 PM  
I'm really happy that Z-Bo has been taking Perkins to task in this series.

/Also love me some Z-bo
 
2013-05-15 10:54:08 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: Man, that was a nasty block by Gasol


TheMexicansLoveMe: and another


GRIZZLIES GONNA GRIZZLE

This is the best bandwagon ever. Plus the Grizz have Tony Allen, former Celtic, who I always liked.
 
2013-05-15 10:54:33 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: These threads get pretty quiet after the first game

/either that or the beer is kicking in


As my friend texted me earlier, the western conference games are a lot like watching womens basketball, lots of jump shots and layups with an occasional dunk, just a little more athletic and with uglier players, pretty sure he was drunk
 
2013-05-15 10:55:23 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.


Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?
 
2013-05-15 10:57:30 PM  

ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.

Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?


yeah I see your point for sure.  It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?
 
2013-05-15 10:59:08 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: TheMexicansLoveMe: Man, that was a nasty block by Gasol

TheMexicansLoveMe: and another

GRIZZLIES GONNA GRIZZLE

This is the best bandwagon ever. Plus the Grizz have Tony Allen, former Celtic, who I always liked.


Yeah I'm totally along for the ride.  I will say, though, that Z-Bo has been my favorite NBA player since his Blazer days.  (There was a low point in NY)
 
2013-05-15 11:00:39 PM  
TheMexicansLoveMe:   It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-15 11:01:55 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.

Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?

yeah I see your point for sure.  It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?


Oh I know they aren't a monster like the Lakers or Knicks, but they are a far step above from OKC or Memphis and shouldn't be considered small market like them. I wouldn't even call them mid market.

But what is funny is that a team like the Clippers would be considered small market, and they are.
 
2013-05-15 11:03:05 PM  

WillofJ2: TheMexicansLoveMe: These threads get pretty quiet after the first game

/either that or the beer is kicking in

As my friend texted me earlier, the western conference games are a lot like watching womens basketball, lots of jump shots and layups with an occasional dunk, just a little more athletic and with uglier players, pretty sure he was drunk


At this point, that rings mostly true.  Watching Curry and Thompson go nuts has been electric though.  The Spurs should and will win that series but man, it's like nobody told the Warriors that they aren't supposed to play that way in the NBA (although they have been playing that way in The City for a while now)
 
2013-05-15 11:04:39 PM  

ongbok: market


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-15 11:04:46 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: You gotta think Deng on Lebron/Butler on Wade would've given the Heat some real headaches, but only a healthy Rosé could've actually changed the outcome of that series.


LeBron averaged 27 per game against the Bulls with Deng in the lineup and went:

11-15, 26 points, 12 reb, 7 ast
11-17, 32 points, 7 reb, 3 ast
7-12, 24 points, 7 reb, 6 ast

Let's not act like Deng was some type of LeBron-stopper. Their defense did a great job. And they would've had to have Robinson or Belinelli in at some point if they wanted to actually score ever.
 
2013-05-15 11:06:04 PM  
Sorry I meant to quote everyone who used that word.
 
2013-05-15 11:06:32 PM  

ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.

Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?

yeah I see your point for sure.  It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?

Oh I know they aren't a monster like the Lakers or Knicks, but they are a far step above from OKC or Memphis and shouldn't be considered small market like them. I wouldn't even call them mid market.

But what is funny is that a team like the Clippers would be considered small market, and they are.


Ok I guess I am confused semantically here.  I assumed a "small market team" refers primarily to the immediate market that they play in?
 
2013-05-15 11:06:56 PM  
And Western Conference games are enjoyable because the teams for the most part play basketball. Warriors-Spurs is pretty damn fun.
 
2013-05-15 11:09:38 PM  

IAmRight: And Western Conference games are enjoyable because the teams for the most part play basketball. Warriors-Spurs is pretty damn fun.


Let's not act like I don't totally agree with you here

/ I keed
 
2013-05-15 11:18:00 PM  

IAmRight: And Western Conference games are enjoyable because the teams for the most part play basketball. Warriors-Spurs is pretty damn fun.


 Its true, but I imagine a grizz spurs series getting pretty dirty and low scoring
 
2013-05-15 11:19:42 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.

Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?

yeah I see your point for sure.  It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?

Oh I know they aren't a monster like the Lakers or Knicks, but they are a far step above from OKC or Memphis and shouldn't be considered small market like them. I wouldn't even call them mid market.

But what is funny is that a team like the Clippers would be considered small market, and they are.

Ok I guess I am confused semantically here.  I assumed a "small market team" refers primarily to the immediate market that they play in?


In the sports world small market refers to their possible fanbase. For example, nobody would ever consider Green Bay small market. Originally that may have been the definition, but with TV and marketing now, that definition has changed.

That is why I said the Clippers. They are in a large market, but they have been for a long time ignored by by that market because of the other team making them a small market, because of their possible fanbase, team.

30 years ago you would be right, but now the word small market is just all semantics. Hell the Bulls were considered a small market team, then came Jordan.
 
2013-05-15 11:24:29 PM  
ongbok:

I think everything outside of the lakers and knicks and maybe dallas, is at a fiscal disadvantage with tv deals and marketing partners, the fact that the lakers would not amnesty Kobe and take an 80 million dollar penalty just doesnt seem right
 
2013-05-15 11:24:47 PM  

WillofJ2: Its true, but I imagine a grizz spurs series getting pretty dirty and low scoring


Yeah but both the teams would actually be legit. I enjoyed the rough and dirty series between Miami and Indiana last year, the problem is the EC only has 2 (maybe 3) legit teams every year while the WC has good matchups pretty much every round and series.
 
2013-05-15 11:28:02 PM  
Tayshaun Prince done dunked.
 
2013-05-15 11:28:07 PM  

ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: TheMexicansLoveMe: ongbok: Would you still consider San Antonio a small market after their success?

The way I look at it, a team may start off in a small market, but after they achieve the success a team like San Antonio has and has the money coming in from marketing and TV deals, they shouldn't really be considered small market anymore because they have gotten the attention of the world and now are popular in the largest market.

I don't think a cities market value refers to the teams popularity or success.

Uh why not? Their popularity translates into the sells of their apparel, especially world wide. From what i understand Spurs apparel is popular all over Europe, mainly because of Parker and Ginobali. The more shiat they can sell increases the amount they can charge to license their name to merchandise. That adds to their market value. Do you not think that the Yankees market value isn't tied to their popularity, and their popularity isn't tied to their success?

yeah I see your point for sure.  It's just a real huge leap to compare San Antonio to places like LA or NY, you know?

Oh I know they aren't a monster like the Lakers or Knicks, but they are a far step above from OKC or Memphis and shouldn't be considered small market like them. I wouldn't even call them mid market.

But what is funny is that a team like the Clippers would be considered small market, and they are.

Ok I guess I am confused semantically here.  I assumed a "small market team" refers primarily to the immediate market that they play in?

In the sports world small market refers to their possible fanbase. For example, nobody would ever consider Green Bay small market. Originally that may have been the definition, but with TV and marketing now, that definition has changed.

That is why I said the Clippers. They are in a large market, but they have been for a long time ignored by by that market because of the other team making them a small ...


Ok yeah, I guess I can see a sports team's market being tied to their fan base and general national and international attention.

Also, the Grizz look like they are running away with this series right now.
 
2013-05-15 11:28:42 PM  
Most valuable teams in the NBA:
1. NY Knicks
2. LA Lakers
3. Chicago Bulls
4. Boston Celtics
5. Dallas Mavericks
6. Miami Heat
7. Houston Rockets
8. Golden State Warriors
9. Brooklyn Nets
10. San Antonio Spurs

It appears market size has a definite impact on the value of a team. If the Knicks played ball in San Antonio that would probably be one of the poorest teams in the league since they've sucked pretty hard for a while. It just took them a couple winning seasons to become the richest team.
 
2013-05-15 11:29:59 PM  
Though the Spurs can maybe get to Boston's level. Boston isn't a very big market compared to the other teams in the list (neither is Miami, but they're making cash because of LeBron) but their history gives them fans around the country and world.
 
2013-05-15 11:30:37 PM  

TheJoe03: WillofJ2: Its true, but I imagine a grizz spurs series getting pretty dirty and low scoring

Yeah but both the teams would actually be legit. I enjoyed the rough and dirty series between Miami and Indiana last year, the problem is the EC only has 2 (maybe 3) legit teams every year while the WC has good matchups pretty much every round and series.


I enjoy them but undoubtedly there becomes an issue with the officials, like last year how granger and west could man handle anyone for three games then you would think they were murdering everyone, I know this is probably the hardest game to officiate, being NBA basketball, but for physical basketball there is so much inconsistency
 
2013-05-15 11:30:52 PM  

TheMexicansLoveMe: I was pretty excited about Seattle getting a team again, but still a little heartbroken that it might come at the expense of a great fanbase/arena in Sac-town.

/looking forward to the I-5 rivalries starting so I can 'hate' the Sonics and the Kings again


Wait what, I thought that the owners rejected the deal?
 
2013-05-15 11:33:22 PM  

WillofJ2: I enjoy them but undoubtedly there becomes an issue with the officials, like last year how granger and west could man handle anyone for three games then you would think they were murdering everyone, I know this is probably the hardest game to officiate, being NBA basketball, but for physical basketball there is so much inconsistency


The NBA's officials and fouling situation is by far the biggest issue in the sport, I wish they'd finally get around to doing it. Note sure what they can do, but someone in the thread was talking about having the same refs do entire series and maybe do some house cleaning with the refs.
 
2013-05-15 11:34:27 PM  

TheJoe03: I wish they'd finally get around to doing something about it. Not


/the booze is kicking in
 
2013-05-15 11:35:18 PM  
Man Tony, keep a handle on it.
 
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