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(Washington Post)   Defense Secretary Hagel announces immediate plans to retrain all of the military's sex assault officers. No, wait. Sex assault PREVENTION officers. Whoops, sorry, honest mistake   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 55
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2013-05-15 09:18:27 AM
Subby you gonna get raped
 
2013-05-15 09:18:38 AM
This is a publicity stunt from the Wigs online network, isn't it?
 
2013-05-15 09:21:22 AM
Retrain 'em and then send them to Okinawa, cuz...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-15 09:22:50 AM
The military would like you to know that they have many career options availiable to young women in this economy.
from being a part of a joy division. To being a comfort woman. Let the boys on the frontlines enjoy those funbags.
do it for your country ladies
 
2013-05-15 09:25:50 AM
I find myself wondering if the rapeyness will settle down once there are more women in combat positions. Surely the average soldier is not so stupid that he doesn't realize that once he's raped someone, they are not going to have his back in a combat situation.

Then again, my relentless optimism is rarely borne out by events.
 
2013-05-15 09:26:02 AM
Who lives in the east, 'neath the willow tree?
 
2013-05-15 09:26:30 AM
Retrain them to know right from wrong? I'm pretty sure they knew rape was wrong to begin with.
 
2013-05-15 09:27:48 AM
...and how exactly do you re-train somebody to not rape the people coming to them for help with rape?

Other than through public executions, that is.
 
2013-05-15 09:30:19 AM

Alonjar: ...and how exactly do you re-train somebody to not rape the people coming to them for help with rape?

Other than through public executions, that is.


Actually, now that I think about it, why the fark wouldnt you make 99.9% of your sexual assault officers female in the first place?
 
2013-05-15 09:33:28 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Retrain them to know right from wrong? I'm pretty sure they knew rape was wrong to begin with.


And considering the demographic of the average recruit, they probably think that they will go to hell for doing it. Or at least they mouth those words every Sunday.
 
2013-05-15 09:35:40 AM

Alonjar: Alonjar: ...and how exactly do you re-train somebody to not rape the people coming to them for help with rape?

Other than through public executions, that is.

Actually, now that I think about it, why the fark wouldnt you make 99.9% of your sexual assault officers female in the first place?


Why would you?
 
2013-05-15 09:35:45 AM
So the US military can take some sack-jawed yokel from East Bumfark, Arkansas and, in a couple months, teach him to use rather interesting weapons and/or drive rather interesting vehicles - all while also instilling a sense of sociopathic disregard for human life - yet said organization cannot add a piece of scrap-code into their reprogramming that says 'don't rape"?  I mean, somewhere between "Arabs like to be photographed being electrocuted" and "White Jesus uber alles" couldn't they just pop in a quick "don't put your dick somewhere you don't have permission"?  Every business I have ever worked for has went to great pains to tell me not to sexually assault my co-workers - and I have yet to rape a single person, so the idea seems solid
 
2013-05-15 09:36:54 AM

Alonjar: Alonjar: ...and how exactly do you re-train somebody to not rape the people coming to them for help with rape?

Other than through public executions, that is.

Actually, now that I think about it, why the fark wouldnt you make 99.9% of your sexual assault officers female in the first place?


Because they let the gays into the military.
 
2013-05-15 09:36:56 AM

MFAWG: Why would you?


Because only men can rape and women never lie
 
2013-05-15 09:37:34 AM
Will they be issued Sexual Assault Rifles? With the requisite training, of course.
 
2013-05-15 09:38:24 AM
Took far longer than expected for the mouth-breathing MRAs to show up here. Must be early.
 
2013-05-15 09:38:26 AM
Omnivorous predators with predator training behaving as predators.

Working as intended, this is not a bug it is a feature.
 
2013-05-15 09:44:26 AM

neversubmit: Omnivorous predators with predator training behaving as predators.


Predators don't generally fark those things they are trained to kill.
 
2013-05-15 09:45:32 AM

midigod: neversubmit: Omnivorous predators with predator training behaving as predators.

Predators don't generally fark those things they are trained to kill.


Unless they are ducks
 
2013-05-15 09:47:35 AM

CheatCommando: Took far longer than expected for the mouth-breathing MRAs to show up here. Must be early.


Yeah, those knuckle-draggers from the Metal Roofing Alliance spoil every thread!

//military recruitment agency?
 
2013-05-15 09:49:50 AM

midigod: neversubmit: Omnivorous predators with predator training behaving as predators.

Predators don't generally fark those things they are trained to kill.


That's where the omnivorous part comes in... pun intended.
 
2013-05-15 09:52:16 AM
They need to be more proactive.

See a sexual assault.  Have the authority to tackle the ass, then castrate him with a bullet.
 
2013-05-15 09:54:48 AM
When are we going to start effectively weaponizing women?  Anyone who doesn't think a woman can't get close to and bring down despot without firing a shot doesn't know women.
 
2013-05-15 09:55:32 AM

CheatCommando: Took far longer than expected for the mouth-breathing MRAs to show up here. Must be early.


Troll. Dont you have a sammich to make?
 
2013-05-15 09:57:18 AM

WhoopAssWayne: CheatCommando: Took far longer than expected for the mouth-breathing MRAs to show up here. Must be early.

Yeah, those knuckle-draggers from the Metal Roofing Alliance spoil every thread!

//military recruitment agency?


Men's Rights Assholes, you see if men want to be treated as human beings , well that makes them assholes.
 
2013-05-15 10:16:52 AM
Jail. Jail would be an option.

You should at least get a dishonorable discharge for your dishonorable discharge.
 
2013-05-15 10:27:44 AM
Given what I witnessed when I was in the Navy, I don't believe every rape accusation is legit. Yes, it happens. But it's also a common tactic, when in trouble, for a woman to close and lock the door, then come out crying and claiming she was raped.
 
2013-05-15 10:36:53 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: CheatCommando: Took far longer than expected for the mouth-breathing MRAs to show up here. Must be early.

Troll. Dont you have a sammich to make?


Love how you assume my gender without thinking, thus proving my point.
 
2013-05-15 11:12:13 AM
God forbid he man up and courtsmartial and imprison an officer.
asshole.
 
2013-05-15 11:13:50 AM

JWideman: Given what I witnessed when I was in the Navy, I don't believe every rape accusation is legit. Yes, it happens. But it's also a common tactic, when in trouble, for a woman to close and lock the door, then come out crying and claiming she was raped.


Saw it in the AF too. Starting in basic we had a sister flight. shared details including stairwell. One of our guys and a girl from sister flight got caught making out.
We all knew about them. To avoid being kicked out she cried rape. Still got kickdd out and ruined the rest of the guys life. Yes, rape is an incredibly serious issue. It is why I cant understand why feminists dont come down on these coonts crying wolf.
 
2013-05-15 12:04:52 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Retrain them to know right from wrong? I'm pretty sure they knew rape was wrong to begin with.


I thought the whole point of the military was to break down your individual ideas about murder and rape and build you back up as part of the rapist/murderer unit
 
2013-05-15 12:07:59 PM

Alonjar: Actually, now that I think about it, why the fark wouldnt you make 99.9% of your sexual assault officers female in the first place?


That's what I'm wondering.  I met my FIRST male SARC(Sexual Assault Response Coordinator) when I came to my current base.  All others they have been both female and civilian.

Oddly enough(sarcasm), both females and males who have been sexually assaulted in some way are far more comfortable disclosing to a female.  While women are sexually assaulted at a far higher rate than men, the military is still canted male heavily enough that the total numbers assaulted are surprisingly close.

Also, you're not actually more likely to be assaulted while deployed, though it still happens.  Suicide rates are higher at home stations than deployed locations.  It gets complicated...

Last deployed suicide I heard about resulted in the court martial of his supervisor and two coworkers for harassment, hazing, failure in various aspects, etc...
 
2013-05-15 12:29:06 PM

JWideman: Given what I witnessed when I was in the Navy, I don't believe every rape accusation is legit. Yes, it happens. But it's also a common tactic, when in trouble, for a woman to close and lock the door, then come out crying and claiming she was raped.


I'm In Kabul. We've had 3 sexual assault/groping allegations since Mob-site two months ago. One was shown to be false by 5+ witnesses, and the other two by camera footage. Yep, 3 accusations of assault. And 3 women proven to be lying about it. Sorry if I don't think that actual rape is as much of a problem as some would like to say it is.

The fact is that mostmilitary females know that sexual assault/harassment allegations are an easy way to get back at someone who pissed you off, or a good threat to blackmail someone. And with the harassment aspect in particular, since it's just a "he said something that offended me" situation, there's no way for a male to prove he didn't do anything wrong. Yes rape does happen. Yes sexual harassment does happen. Yes those people who commit rape should be imprisoned.

But it doesn't happen nearly as often as crying wolf and blackmail does.
 
2013-05-15 12:46:10 PM

gglibertine: I find myself wondering if the rapeyness will settle down once there are more women in combat positions. Surely the average soldier is not so stupid that he doesn't realize that once he's raped someone, they are not going to have his back in a combat situation.


If only the average soldier would fill out the required composite risk management worksheets before each rape, they would realize this. At least, that's the current Army way of thinking. I weep in gratitude that I am safely ETSed and will not have to endure yet another online Flash-Java mandatory training course.
 
2013-05-15 01:21:41 PM

midigod: neversubmit: Omnivorous predators with predator training behaving as predators.

Predators don't generally fark those things they are trained to kill.


That hasn't been true for any war in history.
 
drp
2013-05-15 01:48:59 PM

taurusowner: JWideman: Given what I witnessed when I was in the Navy, I don't believe every rape accusation is legit. Yes, it happens. But it's also a common tactic, when in trouble, for a woman to close and lock the door, then come out crying and claiming she was raped.

I'm In Kabul. We've had 3 sexual assault/groping allegations since Mob-site two months ago. One was shown to be false by 5+ witnesses, and the other two by camera footage. Yep, 3 accusations of assault. And 3 women proven to be lying about it. Sorry if I don't think that actual rape is as much of a problem as some would like to say it is.

The fact is that mostmilitary females know that sexual assault/harassment allegations are an easy way to get back at someone who pissed you off, or a good threat to blackmail someone. And with the harassment aspect in particular, since it's just a "he said something that offended me" situation, there's no way for a male to prove he didn't do anything wrong. Yes rape does happen. Yes sexual harassment does happen. Yes those people who commit rape should be imprisoned.

But it doesn't happen nearly as often as crying wolf and blackmail does.


Sounds like you need another mandatory online training module on AKO, and at least three more mandatory 2-hour seminars to raise your awareness of sexual assault.

And then maybe the Army could sponsor a "fun run" and a BBQ with T-shirts to further raise awareness.  Also mandatory, of course.
 
2013-05-15 01:59:11 PM
So...they'll be back to business as usual in about 2 hours?  Here's the breakdown from a former Chair Forcer.

30 minutes trying not to fall asleep during a Power Point presentation
15 minutes filling out a web form 3 times because there was an error in sending it the first 2 times
30 minutes sleeping through an after-school-special style video
15 minute coffee break
45 minutes trying to find the person who was supposed to sign a form saying you watched the video you slept through
15 minutes to get the printer to print the form because it hasn't had an actual new non-refilled toner cartridge installed in 10 years

After all that it's off to the strip club or Hooters, because the military is so sexually progressive that they love to throw tips and $1 bills at women with large racks.

/I wish I was more than half joking
 
2013-05-15 02:05:05 PM

drp: Sounds like you need another mandatory online training module on AKO, and at least three more mandatory 2-hour seminars to raise your awareness of sexual assault.

 Gah, I'd say that this makes me glad to be USAF.  Besides the online training module, we 'only' have to have 1 mandatory seminar a year.  Unless the academy has another scandal...


Of course, the SARC office has the best freebies - I have SARC branded chapstick, pens, stress balls, and gym towel.
 
2013-05-15 02:08:29 PM

Arumat: So...they'll be back to business as usual in about 2 hours?  Here's the breakdown from a former Chair Forcer.

30 minutes trying not to fall asleep during a Power Point presentation
15 minutes filling out a web form 3 times because there was an error in sending it the first 2 times
30 minutes sleeping through an after-school-special style video
15 minute coffee break
45 minutes trying to find the person who was supposed to sign a form saying you watched the video you slept through
15 minutes to get the printer to print the form because it hasn't had an actual new non-refilled toner cartridge installed in 10 years

After all that it's off to the strip club or Hooters, because the military is so sexually progressive that they love to throw tips and $1 bills at women with large racks.

/I wish I was more than half joking


I wish you were more than a quarter joking.

/Former Army
//This doesn't get solved without a fundamental shift in culture heavily enforced by Brass and NCOs alike
 
2013-05-15 02:15:51 PM
When I was in Basic Training (1979) all soldiers were required to have a 2-hour block of instruction on rape prevention. Our female platoon was instructed how to avoid being raped, and our male platoons were instructed on how to beat the rap. Seriously.
 
2013-05-15 02:44:34 PM
 On PBS this past week was this really excellent documentary, The Invisible War, about how widespread the sexual assault issue is in the U.S. Armed Forces. How in one year the rate went up by 35% ( over 26,000 reported incidents) how the arseholes who do these things usually get away free as a bird. How many ranking officers who are guilty as sin are promoted and in command positions today. How the Pentagon covers this up with typical Washington bullsh*t. How the victims are held responsible for this even happening OR REPORTING it. Local commanders brush the cases under the rug so to speak. It was just so damn aggravating to watch and listen to the accounts. The low lifes that do these acts are protected by there local commanders. How many are repeat offenders and still in the military.
 I wouldn't let my daughter near a branch of the service as a job or career because I feel she would be a target for these sexual perverts that the Pentagon protects.  And boy does the Pentagon protect them. Boy, the B/S they spin to cover this up with.
  As a court ruling was stated in this documentary when the government was sued that  Rape was a occupational hazard  that comes with the job.  Yes. Okay. Go U.S. Armed Forces.
 This has been going on and condoned by the Pentagon for many years. If you can you need to watch this documentary...........

http://invisiblewarmovie.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War
 
2013-05-15 03:03:40 PM
Yeah, not sure why this is a "scandal" NOW. It's been going on for a long time.

I guess better late than never.
 
2013-05-15 03:08:49 PM

NotTucsonreally: How in one year the rate went up by 35% ( over 26,000 reported incidents) how the arseholes who do these things usually get away free as a bird. How many ranking officers who are guilty as sin are promoted and in command positions today.


I'm hoping, really hoping, that it's not that the rate went up 35%, it's that reporting went up to cause the increase.  If the reporting rate went up from something like 6% to 8%, that would explain the increase.

I'd liken it to a lancing a boil - it gets uglier before it gets better because you're revealing hidden infection.

Still, I question your numbers - looking online I'm not seeing it, the increase from 2009 to 2012 was only 4%, from 3,244 to 3,374 in an anonymous survey about sexual abuse.

Yes, I'm mad about a lot of the treatment of sexual assault in the services.  I'm especially mad that it seems to be the senior leadership doing it most often.  It's the ones with power, not the junior enlisted.

I'm going to give my usual advice in this:  REPORT IT!!!  From my SARC briefing the average rapist associated with the military(in the military, targeting military members, etc...) is 7 completed rapes.  It's even higher on the civilian side.  The 'average' rapist is actually a serial rapist.  The quicker women are to report the quicker we can stop them from repeating their actions.
 
2013-05-15 03:25:44 PM
 Firethorn :  Watch the documentary, they quoted  DOD numbers and the previous years and it has been a steady increase.  Haven't seen anyone from the Pentagon dispute the documentary yet.
 It speaks for it's self. The system is seriously flawed and all they do is throw Pentagon speak at it...FAIL.
 
2013-05-15 03:43:29 PM

NotTucsonreally: On PBS this past week was this really excellent documentary, The Invisible War, about how widespread the sexual assault issue is in the U.S. Armed Forces


As a former NCO that documentary makes my blood boil.   Everyone should watch it, it's an EXCELLENT documentary.  But I've been absolutely furiously Army Angry™ after watching it every time.
 
2013-05-15 03:56:32 PM

Luse: Yes, rape is an incredibly serious issue. It is why I cant understand why feminists dont come down on these coonts crying wolf.


Any sensible woman should have nothing but contempt for the kind of woman who would pull that kind of shiat. They make things infinitelyworse for ALL other women, and deserve all the scorn we can dish out.

Also, any sensible man should have nothing but contempt for the kind of man who would rape. They make things infinitely worse for ALL other men, and deserve all the scorn you can dish out.

/they rapin' errbody out here
 
2013-05-15 04:53:54 PM

NotTucsonreally: Firethorn :  Watch the documentary, they quoted  DOD numbers and the previous years and it has been a steady increase.  Haven't seen anyone from the Pentagon dispute the documentary yet.
 It speaks for it's self. The system is seriously flawed and all they do is throw Pentagon speak at it...FAIL.


Watching it will have to wait; at work right now.  I posted a source with very different numbers, generally I'll trust a website over what somebody remembers from a documentary.  I did go to the website for the documentary looking for the numbers and tried to google for them, which is why I posted what I did.\

Wikipedia says 3,158 reported incidents in 2010, out of an estimated 19,000.  Which is still a far cry from 26k reported incidents.
Afterdeployment.org has a report that says 1700 incidents reported in 2004 increasing to 2947 in 2006.
Defense.gov says 3,192 in 2011, 1% more than 2010.

So I can believe it being 35% in 2005/2006, given that there's a 58% increase between 2004 and 2006.   But only if you're misremembering '26 thousand' and the actual term used was '26 hundred'.  Or they made a mistake in the film.
 
2013-05-15 05:13:33 PM
Firethorn: Regardless of the exact numbers I remember from the program THE simple fact of the matter IT IS HAPPENING at an ALARMING rate and in the U.S. Armed Forces this JUST SHOULD NOT be happening with the criminals getting "protected" by there superiors, PERIOD! You want numbers, screw the numbers IT'S ABOUT THE VICTIMS!
It really sounds to me you feel that this is a NON ISSUE so to speak....Maybe you feel that in your opinion maybe yes it should be expected in the military society. You know it comes with the territory...I don't know. It's happening and it's been a pervasive attitude of shutup and look the other way. TOO LONG!

 Tell all those who have been violated, that had to deal with the serious lack of concern that the Pentagon shows them in there treatment after the fact. Are living with the fallout.....Were brave enough to come forward and tell there story to the media and Congress....

 As a former member of the military and a combat veteran it really embrasses me that this has happened and was allowed to go on as long as it has. And many a career was destroyed and the perpetrators got away with it and in cases were still promoted in rank and authority.  Explain that away? Guess maybe it's all made up, huh.
 
2013-05-15 05:30:56 PM

Luse: It is why I cant understand why feminists dont come down on these coonts crying wolf.


Because according to the CDC, 5% of  reported rape cases are 'crying wolf'.

For the sake of proportion, the CDC's reports show the odds of being raped for a civilian woman--not even counting the military, where rape is much higher--is one in five.
 
2013-05-15 09:33:48 PM
NotTucsonreally:  As a former member of the military and a combat veteran it really embrasses me that this has happened and was allowed to go on as long as it has. And many a career was destroyed and the perpetrators got away with it and in cases were still promoted in rank and authority.  Explain that away? Guess maybe it's all made up, huh.

Well, for starters, they could stop requiring that victims report the crime to their supervisors (who may have been the perps) and insist that they go directly to the MPs or civilian law enforcement instead (i.e., an impartial law enforcement organization of some kind). And they could stop that policy of allowing commanders (with no law enforcement/judicial experience) to order that charges be dropped because "Sergeant Bubba Perverson is an asset to this unit."

/It's almost always the supervisors hitting on their employees, because they know the employees have no real power to fight back legally as the system stands.
 
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