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2013-05-15 08:55:14 AM
Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.
 
2013-05-15 08:57:18 AM
Of course they're not. They don't want to do anything that would mess up their ability to do the same thing next time they're in charge.

Plus, there's the usual hard on both parties have for governmental authority in the name of "national security" ensuring nothing will happen too.
 
2013-05-15 09:06:45 AM
From what I've read what they did was legal. Is it right, well that's debatable. It seems that in this instance, it may have but it's a slippery slope. Next time, it might not be

/why yes, i do write in generalities
//generally speaking, of course
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 09:13:37 AM

doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.


It's right here.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 09:18:51 AM
This is an investigation into the same leak that outraged Republicans a year ago.
 
2013-05-15 09:22:13 AM
"I want to see the details -- what was their rationale, why did they do it -- before offering an opinion," said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.),

So, this letter that you signed last year isn't ringing any bells John?
 
2013-05-15 09:30:07 AM
If they get pissy now, how will they then do it when they're in charge? Of course, they're hypocritical all the time, so I'm actually surprised. Then again, it would take away from Benghazi, wouldn't it?
 
2013-05-15 09:38:49 AM

vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.


Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?
 
2013-05-15 09:42:25 AM
The GOP is hoping that this investigation leads to a DNC leak.  That's why they are letting this slide.  Boy will they pissed when it is Conservative.
 
2013-05-15 09:59:18 AM
Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.
 
2013-05-15 10:03:05 AM

WI241TH: "I want to see the details -- what was their rationale, why did they do it -- before offering an opinion," said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.),

So, this letter that you signed last year isn't ringing any bells John?


Wait! Hold the phone here... McCain wants details before he gets outraged about something? Did he get knocked in the head or something?
 
2013-05-15 10:03:14 AM
An actual serious scandal they could use against Obama and they reject it. Yet you know they will keep farking the Bengazi chicken. It's like they don't want to try.
 
2013-05-15 10:03:41 AM

WI241TH: "I want to see the details -- what was their rationale, why did they do it -- before offering an opinion," said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.),

So, this letter that you signed last year isn't ringing any bells John?


I don't think Johnny's bells ring very easily these days.
 
2013-05-15 10:03:43 AM

mrshowrules: vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.

Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?



You may want to look at all those CFR citations.
 
2013-05-15 10:03:49 AM
The only people outraged are journalists because they have to get new sources. It is hilarious to see so many "liberals" screaming and yelling about Obama's war on civil rights because he's trying to plug leaks of classified materials.
 
2013-05-15 10:04:45 AM

WizardofToast: An actual serious scandal they could use against Obama and they reject it. Yet you know they will keep farking the Bengazi chicken. It's like they don't want to try.


This "scandal" was the result of an investigation that they demanded.
 
2013-05-15 10:04:57 AM

mrshowrules: vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.

Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?


My guess is that it cites the statutes and precedents on which it relies.
 
2013-05-15 10:05:00 AM

Lsherm: What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.


It kinda seems like it's the GOP who is defending the DOJ on this one, or at least not getting that worked up over it. That's ... sort of the point of the story. Liberals aren't defending this, Sparky. Get some coffee, maybe?
 
2013-05-15 10:05:39 AM
Doesn't the Patriot Act make every thing they claim legal? Or is the Patriot Act only usable by white republicans?

/warrantless wiretaps anyone?
 
2013-05-15 10:05:56 AM
It's the investigation that they demanded, so yeah.

I mean, that hasn't ever stopped them before, but quotes on this are pretty easy to dig up and the Sunday talk shows would just get uncomfortable if they really pressed.
 
2013-05-15 10:06:08 AM
A Federal shield law was proposed during the Bush (43) Administration, but it never made it through Congress.
 
2013-05-15 10:06:13 AM

Lsherm: Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.


wat
 
2013-05-15 10:06:19 AM
It's a first amendment issue. The GOP is only interested in the second amendment. And blonde, blue-eyed Jebux.
 
2013-05-15 10:07:28 AM

Aarontology: Of course they're not. They don't want to do anything that would mess up their ability to do the same thing next time they're in charge.

Plus, there's the usual hard on both parties have for governmental authority in the name of "national security" ensuring nothing will happen too.


^FTW

Let the usual lapdogs defend Obama and next time the Republicans are in charge they can do the same rhing without impunity.
 
2013-05-15 10:07:30 AM

Lsherm: Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.


Yeah, that's what is happening.
 
2013-05-15 10:07:50 AM

Lsherm: Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.


Have you checked on your guns lately? You know, just to make sure a FBI confiscation team didn't take them while you were away from them typing this post
 
2013-05-15 10:07:53 AM

red5ish: It's a first amendment issue. The GOP is only interested in the second amendment. And blonde, blue-eyed Jebux.


Jebii.
Pet peeve.
 
2013-05-15 10:08:01 AM

Lsherm: What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.


LOLWUT?

Eric Holder is a piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-15 10:08:41 AM

Lsherm: What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.


WTF Indeed: It is hilarious to see so many "liberals" screaming and yelling about Obama's war on civil rights because he's trying to plug leaks of classified materials.


So many liberals doing delicious and hilarious yet contradictory things.
 
2013-05-15 10:09:14 AM

give me doughnuts: mrshowrules: vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.

Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?


You may want to look at all those CFR citations.


Got it.
 
2013-05-15 10:09:19 AM

Aarontology: Of course they're not. They don't want to do anything that would mess up their ability to do the same thing next time they're in charge.

Plus, there's the usual hard on both parties have for governmental authority in the name of "national security" ensuring nothing will happen too.


No, it's about the leaking of classified info to reporters, something any administration would investigate. Even the lawyer for AP said last night on the NewsHour that they aren't upset that records were taken, it's that they took twenty phones instead of just a few.
 
2013-05-15 10:09:42 AM
www.biography.com

"Nothing about me is a scandal. Okay, maybe Roadhouse was, but nothing else!"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 10:12:01 AM

mrshowrules: vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.

Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?


No, it's a manual about the law and how it works.  The law itself is 50 USC 436.

Did you try using Google?  It took me about 20 seconds to find.
 
2013-05-15 10:12:12 AM

someonelse: So many liberals doing delicious and hilarious yet contradictory things.


The joke last night was you know Obama is in trouble when he's lost Maureen Dowd and Aaron Sokin.
 
2013-05-15 10:12:39 AM
Fascists okay with fascism? Color me shocked.
 
2013-05-15 10:13:16 AM

vpb: mrshowrules: vpb: doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.

It's right here.

Is the United States Attorney's Manual a law?

No, it's a manual about the law and how it works.  The law itself is 50 USC 436.

Did you try using Google?  It took me about 20 seconds to find.


Got it.
 
2013-05-15 10:13:34 AM
Democratic administration does something bad.
Republicans aren't outraged enough.
Republicans are bad.
 
2013-05-15 10:13:55 AM

Lsherm: Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.


What color is the sky where you live?
 
2013-05-15 10:15:28 AM
The AP is somehow liberally biased now? Jesus tittyfarking christ are you people insane?
 
2013-05-15 10:17:05 AM

Jackson Herring: The AP is somehow liberally biased now? Jesus tittyfarking christ are you people insane?


To be fair, facts do have a liberal bias.
 
2013-05-15 10:21:04 AM

Jackson Herring: The AP is somehow liberally biased now? Jesus tittyfarking christ are you people insane?


You betcha. They made sure to bring the ones with sprinkles because John loves those


crooksandliars.com
 
2013-05-15 10:22:05 AM

doyner: Persuant to which law was the DOJ (it claimed) obtaining these records?  Anyone know?  I haven't found it yet.


The "Because Fark You That's What Law" Act of 2002.
 
2013-05-15 10:25:56 AM

FlashHarry: Lsherm: Why would Republicans defend the second arm of the Democratic party?

What's delicious is watching the liberals defend the DOJ.  You guys are going to destroy your own propaganda distribution system because you have to defend Obama at all costs.

wat


Standard R-W delusion that media outlets have a motivation other than profit. It's not MSM, it's corporate media.
 
2013-05-15 10:26:42 AM

vpb: This is an investigation into the same leak that outraged Republicans a year ago.


Exactly. I remember when tracking down leaks of classified material was an endeavor that should be pursued to the fullest extent the law allows.
 
2013-05-15 10:27:08 AM
Of the stuff they've thrown at the Obama administration, this is the one that concerns me most as a citizen.  So I'm not surprised that GOP Senators downplay it.

clearlyatroll: Democratic administration does something bad.
Republicans aren't outraged enough.
Republicans are bad.


No, Republicans are strangely selective about the things they go ballistic over.  Or maybe not so strangely;  I can't count how many times I've heard "If you're not doing anything wrong, what does it matter if the government spies on you" from the right.  This fits right into that pattern.  Gubbmint is evil and scary and ought to be destroyed, but there's no cause for alarm just because they're spying on you.

What has happened here, I think, is that Holder has invoked "...because TERROR...take my word for it" and the GOP Senators still snap to attention for that.  Myself, I stopped listening to the cries of wolf a long time ago.  If there is such a hideous threat posed to our country by alleged leaks, and you can find out about them only by seizing records of press communication, then it seems to me that our only two choices: 1) lie down and wait for our inevitable destruction or 2) just go ahead and admit that, no, we're not a republic any more, we don't have freedom of the press, we will give up anything and everything in the name of being kept safe from a bunch of threats that we can't ever know about because if we did, the terrorists win.  Either that, or the threats are overblown, or we won't all be atomized if the DOJ is forced to disclose these threats so the people can form their own judgment.

Both sides appear to be playing the "because TERROR" game here and both sides nauseate me.  If the GOP Senators are suddenly in the "let's sift through all the facts and weigh the evidence, and avoid rushing to judgment" camp, it tells me they have a motive to do so, and I'll go out on a partisan limb and suggest that it isn't an altruistic motive, any more than Holder has an altruistic motive to play the "truly, the most terrifying threat, truly, in the history of this great sacred, truly, nation" card.
 
2013-05-15 10:27:24 AM
As I explained to my roommate last night-

It's not like you get licensed to be a journalist, or you have your name on file with the cops, or you get a card that entitles you to extra First Amendment protections (although a W-2 from a news agency listing you as "Reporter" is close).

The same powers that emptyheaded liberal hippie potsmoking antiAmerican pantywaist communist Che-wearing patchouli-sniffers railed against when they were proposed and passed beginning in October 2001 - the sweeping powers given to DoJ, FBI and the rest of the government's security apparatus - are the ones that allowed the DoJ to do this. The constant paranoia, the ability for the government to snoop in your records if there's even a whiff of "national security concerns" - THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID WOULD HAPPEN.

// I guess I can take solace in the fact that it took 11 years?
// although this is the only one we know of...
 
2013-05-15 10:29:13 AM
WTF, Republicans? One of the few things you're good for is being against executive power when the executive has a D next to his name.
 
2013-05-15 10:30:37 AM
What happened here:

AP: Hey government, we got this story we want to run on a bombing plot in Yemen. That cool?

Government: Not really because some of that is classified information. Whomever gave you that info has committed a crime. Will you tell us who it is?

AP: LOL No. Oh and we are running the story anyway.

Government: We can't stop you from running the story but we will find out who is leaking classified info to you.

AP: ZOMG! WHY IS OBAMA DESTROYING OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS! ERIC HOLDER IS A NAZI! ATTICA! ATTICA!
 
2013-05-15 10:30:47 AM
Inadequate outrage from Republicans, their past demands for rooting out leaks and their history of heavy-handed attacks on civil liberties does little to remove the stench of this. Though it may make certain sorts feel better temporarily.
 
2013-05-15 10:35:55 AM
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny.

The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism.

Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
 
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