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2013-05-15 10:42:46 AM
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"I find no evidence of wrongdoing. And thus I say give them the fist, give them the wrist... and give them the finger."
 
2013-05-15 11:17:28 AM
Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?
 
2013-05-15 11:26:17 AM

cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?


Yes, but the IRS is governed by the Department of the Treasury, which is led by the Secretary of the Treasury, who has President Obama as his boss.

Some people have the mentality that because Obama is the "captain of his ship," that he must bear the brunt of any wrongdoing by his subordinates.  It's like Star Trek 6 all over again.
 
2013-05-15 11:39:20 AM

cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?


People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?
 
2013-05-15 11:42:56 AM
Now that's been released, not that all the hyper prior to anyone actually reading it could be inaccurate or sensationalized.
 
2013-05-15 11:44:18 AM

cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?


How can I admit that the IRS farked up if I have to shut up?  I just can't do it.  But I can say that the IRS farked up, and THEN shut my mouth.  The order is important.
 
2013-05-15 11:47:35 AM
Facts are stupid things.
 
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2013-05-15 11:47:38 AM
THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-05-15 11:48:08 AM

LasersHurt: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?


You have people in the other thread openly advocating fascism and claiming this was a good thing
 
2013-05-15 11:49:06 AM
I read the report. It demonstrates a clear bias towards certain policy positions which is in violation of IRS standards. The scandal is that the Congress has been investigating these allegations since 2011 and the IRS has consistently denied it. The cover up is more incriminating than the original mistake.
 
2013-05-15 11:49:43 AM
Fair tax anyone?
 
2013-05-15 11:51:04 AM
Interestingly, the only group that saw its status denied (for 10 of its chapters) was Emerge America, which works to elect Democratic women to office.

This is Obama's Waterloo!
 
2013-05-15 11:51:21 AM

trailerpimp: Fair tax anyone?


Sounds good, it'll collapse the state and bring about the revolution.
 
2013-05-15 11:51:40 AM

Richard Blaine: I read the report. It demonstrates a clear bias towards certain policy positions which is in violation of IRS standards. The scandal is that the Congress has been investigating these allegations since 2011 and the IRS has consistently denied it. The cover up is more incriminating than the original mistake.


I wondered how long it would take an official internal investigation released to the public to be called "a coverup."
 
2013-05-15 11:52:52 AM
Awesome.  So I guess impeachment proceedings will begin posthaste, then?
 
2013-05-15 11:53:10 AM

ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism


No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.
 
2013-05-15 11:55:15 AM

Richard Blaine: I read the report. It demonstrates a clear bias towards certain policy positions which is in violation of IRS standards. The scandal is that the Congress has been investigating these allegations since 2011 and the IRS has consistently denied it. The cover up is more incriminating than the original mistake.


has the IRS denied it or have they been waiting on this report?  I'm sure some heads will roll over this. but Boehner wants someone to go to jail.

I want to know why he hasn't gone to jail for wasting taxpayer's money for political reasons with all the repeal Obamacare votes they've had.  they're doing it only because they want the new guys to be able to say "I voted to repeal Obamacare" in their campaign ads. they've admitted as much.
 
2013-05-15 11:55:18 AM
TL;DR version:

"You shouldn't have used 'tea party' or 'patriot' as criteria because it looks like you're singling out certain groups. There were some delays in processing some applications that should not have taken so long. We need to firm up our guidelines a bit. Everyone back to work."

OMGWTFTYRANNY? No. "Improper," sure, in the sense of "not best practices." Oppressive? No.
 
2013-05-15 11:56:28 AM
I hope the investigation of the IRS is an extended affair.  Please bring them forward into the Congress for punishing reviews and questions.  Let them justify themselves.  Look into criminal statues.   Put them through hell.  Keep asking them for more information and data.   The shoe my friends is on the other foot.  This will be enjoyable to me.

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2013-05-15 11:56:29 AM

trailerpimp: Fair tax anyone?


yes but let's base it on assets and not salaried income.
 
2013-05-15 11:56:33 AM

ShadowKamui: LasersHurt: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?

You have people in the other thread openly advocating fascism and claiming this was a good thing


A tiny number. Why bother with them? Why the need to act like there is a mass move to defend and cover this?
 
2013-05-15 11:58:29 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.


Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy
 
2013-05-15 12:00:27 PM

ShadowKamui: Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like


None of which is happening, you delusional silly person.
 
2013-05-15 12:00:55 PM

trailerpimp: Fair tax anyone?


Yes, clearly the solution is to resort to a regressive tax that doesn't fix the deficit and still needs the IRS to collect it. Brilliant plan!
 
2013-05-15 12:01:33 PM

ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy


Can you name one group that was denied tax-exempt status in all of this? One? And can you please explain why that is fascism?
 
2013-05-15 12:01:54 PM

ShadowKamui: LasersHurt: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?

You have people in the other thread openly advocating fascism and claiming this was a good thing


Well I'm glad we all agree that profiling is fascism.
 
2013-05-15 12:02:12 PM

cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?


The "my bad, should I have not done that," defense?
 
2013-05-15 12:02:45 PM
and as if the delays in getting those filings processed in time wasn't enough......http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-senator-u nveils-bill-t o-block-funding-for
 
2013-05-15 12:03:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy

Can you name one group that was denied tax-exempt status in all of this? One? And can you please explain why that is fascism?


You know who else gave minor additional scrutiny to 501 applications before accepting them, thus not only allowing the groups to carry on with their operations but also granting them tax-exempt status?
 
2013-05-15 12:04:18 PM

ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy


I'm gonna start off by saying that I am opposed to the IRS specifically going after conservatives groups, and what they did was wrong. HOWEVER, I will say this is based upon the assumption it was done for political reasons. However, 2 points:

1) If there is a flood of new applicants from a specific political group, one who's members have shown they are quite adverse to taxes, and are trying to get tax-free status for organizations with names that are overtly political, would it not be wise to kind of keep an eye on them?

2) What exact harassment did these groups go through? I mean, using the phrase "fascism" over actions like requesting an additional form to be filled out kind of diminishes the word. I honestly don't know, I just keep reading they were targeted, but I'm not entirely clear what sort of process that entailed for these groups. Was their free speech attacked?
 
2013-05-15 12:04:54 PM

Intrepid00: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

The "my bad, should I have not done that," defense?


Ah, the Costanza. A classic.
 
2013-05-15 12:05:30 PM

ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy


They are ideals of an Ann Coulter book, however.

images.betterworldbooks.com
 
2013-05-15 12:06:15 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: You know who else gave minor additional scrutiny to 501 applications before accepting them, thus not only allowing the groups to carry on with their operations but also granting them tax-exempt status?


The, uh, previous manager assigned to that Cincinnati office? And the one before that? And the one before that?
 
2013-05-15 12:06:22 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy

Can you name one group that was denied tax-exempt status in all of this? One? And can you please explain why that is fascism?

You know who else gave minor additional scrutiny to 501 applications before accepting them, thus not only allowing the groups to carry on with their operations but also granting them tax-exempt status?


Don't you dare joke about that.

My PAC was singled out for an extra questionnaire at Auschwitz.
 
2013-05-15 12:06:49 PM

clkeagle: A Dark Evil Omen: You know who else gave minor additional scrutiny to 501 applications before accepting them, thus not only allowing the groups to carry on with their operations but also granting them tax-exempt status?

The, uh, previous manager assigned to that Cincinnati office? And the one before that? And the one before that?


That's right, Hitler! Mike Hitler, the previous manager assigned to that office.
 
2013-05-15 12:07:09 PM
Before you jump on the "OMG IRS/BENGHAZI/OBAMA" scandal bandwagon, read the Inspector General's report on the IRS

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2013-05-15 12:07:49 PM

ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy


So anything we don't like is fascism. That guy didn't courtesy flush after dropping a deuce. What a fascist jerk!
 
2013-05-15 12:08:44 PM

LasersHurt: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?


A lot of people have taken a grumpy cat approach to the scandal of "well duh, everyone knows these groups are political, so I'm glad they did it" and either downplay or ignore that the guidelines these agents were using was discriminatory. The IRS higher ups saw employees use a standard that was biased against conservative groups, told them to knock it off, and never followed up to see if they changed the criteria (they didn't). This should lead to people being fired for poor management and failure to follow orders.

However, the biggest issue is that conservative groups are conflating non-profit applications with tax returns and implying people ended up getting audited for their political beliefs instead of filing additional paperwork detailing the goals of their organization.

The next big thing is Boehner is out there now demanding jail time for those involved in this. Sorry, but if nobody went to jail over the Pigford snafu I highly doubt increased scrutiny of applications that never actually rejected anyone based on the requirements will result in people behind bars.
 
2013-05-15 12:08:49 PM
A group opposed to paying taxes deserves greater scrutiny from the IRS by definition.
 
2013-05-15 12:08:53 PM

Fart_Machine: ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy

So anything we don't like is fascism. That guy didn't courtesy flush after dropping a deuce. What a fascist jerk!


Except for actual fascism, of course. We call that Patriot Freedom for Truth America.
 
2013-05-15 12:10:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy

Can you name one group that was denied tax-exempt status in all of this? One? And can you please explain why that is fascism?


I think he was talking about my call for bussing conservative leaders to reeducation FEMA camps in Montana.

Which isn't fascism, because it would be international in character and not rely on a cartel between government and capital holders. Also, as a leftist, I deplore racialism, nationalism, and imperialism.

It would, I admit, be a bit Bolshevist and authoritarian. I'm ok with that, though. Authoritarianism is awesome when the right people are in authority.
 
2013-05-15 12:11:21 PM

Grungehamster: LasersHurt: cman: Will this finally shut people up and make them admit that the IRS farked up?

People HAVE been admitting the IRS farked up. From day one that this broke.

Where is this fantasy land that some people live where everyone is brushing this under the rug and saying it's okay? There are so many people whining about it, it must be happening somewhere, right?

Is this one of those "I saw some idiot say it once therefore broadbrush giantstatement"?

A lot of people have taken a grumpy cat approach to the scandal of "well duh, everyone knows these groups are political, so I'm glad they did it" and either downplay or ignore that the guidelines these agents were using was discriminatory. The IRS higher ups saw employees use a standard that was biased against conservative groups, told them to knock it off, and never followed up to see if they changed the criteria (they didn't). This should lead to people being fired for poor management and failure to follow orders.

However, the biggest issue is that conservative groups are conflating non-profit applications with tax returns and implying people ended up getting audited for their political beliefs instead of filing additional paperwork detailing the goals of their organization.

The next big thing is Boehner is out there now demanding jail time for those involved in this. Sorry, but if nobody went to jail over the Pigford snafu I highly doubt increased scrutiny of applications that never actually rejected anyone based on the requirements will result in people behind bars.


Just send this questionnaire to everybody on the future. It shouldn't be easy to become tax exempt for anybody.
 
2013-05-15 12:11:53 PM
Come on subby, I can't be constantly outraged if I listen to facts and reason.
 
2013-05-15 12:12:36 PM
So what about Benghazi?
What did or did not happen that was supposed/not supposed to happen that is so horrible?

How about 9/11 and George W. Bush?
He did nothing to stop that and then wildly overreacted and invaded a couple of countries.
 
2013-05-15 12:13:35 PM
After reading the report (ok, most of it, i skimmed some) it doesn't look like any sort of partisan scandal.  Just looks like the IRS sucks at following their own rules.  Trying to connect it to Obama is ridiculous.  Instead, people should use this as an opportunity for tax reform (they won't, but they should)
 
2013-05-15 12:15:12 PM

ShadowKamui: A Dark Evil Omen: ShadowKamui: openly advocating fascism

No, that's right-wingers. Incessantly.

Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt.  Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy whatever I say it is because the actual definition of fascism is not important to me.


Obviously.
 
2013-05-15 12:17:29 PM

Citrate1007: A group opposed to paying taxes deserves greater scrutiny from the IRS by definition.


Except they weren't tax returns so that doesn't have any bearing. This was undeniably a screw up by the IRS and it really isn't helpful to pretend it was not. Arguing that it was okay just makes the allegations the right is throwing around about it being oppression or political bullying sound more credible. Stop it.
 
2013-05-15 12:19:48 PM
Eh, it's bullshiat that the baggers were singled out and it sounds like the IRS will rightfully pay for it and get their act together. That said, the tea party members and supporters can still go suck shiat from a giraffe's dick for being the destructive, ignorant assholes that they are.
 
2013-05-15 12:20:13 PM

Citrate1007: A group opposed to paying taxes deserves greater scrutiny from the IRS by definition.


Except they were flagging them using key words instead of looking at the actual organization. It's bullshait profiling but the people crying the loudest wouldn't have a problem with doing it based on skin color by law enforcement.
 
2013-05-15 12:20:49 PM

ShadowKamui: Fascism is fascism regardless of if its wearing a red or a blue shirt. Cheering on the deliberate harassment of your political enemies and assuming free speech only means speech you like are not exactly ideals of a democracy


I'll admit that the profiling doesn't bother me. We have an actual, honest-to-god Tea Party caucus in Congress.

Why WOULDN"T the IRS single those out for investigation into whether or not they were created for political purpose? I wouldn't expect "Liberal PAC to elect Democrats" to be approved without some additional scrutiny either.

As someone said in one of the other threads, this was like driving through a DUI checkpoint while smoking a hand rolled tobacco cigarette in a car covered in pro-weed bumper stickers, and then acting indignant because the cop leaned in to take a really deep sniff before waving you through.
 
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