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(BBC)   70 years ago today, 19 RAF Lancasters armed with special bombs and manned by heroic crews changed the course of WWII in ways we can only appreciate now - they were "The Dam Busters"   ( divider line
    More: Hero, Dam Busters, WWII, RAF, surgical strikes, bombing raids, Red Army, heavy bombers  
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2013-05-15 09:59:53 AM  
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2013-05-15 10:04:27 AM  
5 votes:
Welcome to the damn bombing raid briefing. Your mission is to destroy all the damn German damns. You can drop all the damn bombs you want on any damn Germans or German damns you want. Does anyone have any damn questions?
2013-05-15 10:07:08 AM  
2 votes:

kkinnison: Just like the dolittle raid, it was more for propaganda then effectiveness.  Still have to say those pilots and crew had big clanking brass balls

Moar liek the do little raid, amirite?
2013-05-16 10:52:44 AM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: Whiskey Dickens: kbronsito:
if the civilians weren't rising up agains the nazi farkers in power, then they were enabling them.We can try to minimize collateral damage when you have a clear advantage... but given that victory against the Germans wasn't certain, it seems that the allies did what had to be done. We were also right to nuke Japan. (had they surrendered after the first nuke, maybe i'd feel sorry about it... but since it took two, they obviously didn't get the message from the first one).

(Bolded)  This is the same logic used by people who commit acts of terror on civilians.

True. But just because someone else uses similar logic, it doesn't mean they are right. Whether or not to target civilians needs to be sorted out on a case by case basis. As someone mentioned before, it would have been more inmoral to lose the war against the Nazis. People working in Germany's industrial areas were building the machinery that was being used to kill people in allied and neutral countries alike.

If you for instance look at the case of El Salvador, the guerrillas there were probably justified in using some tactics that would be considered terrorism but when you look at Peru, the shinning path was not justified in using the terror tactics they used. In fact the Salvadorans who fought as guerrillas that I've met actually roll the name of the shinning path off their tongue with disdain because the SP targeted the center left, killing labor leaders and community organizers (as opposed to people who represented the right) in order to cause as much chaos and poverty as they could to bring forth their revolution. Anyone trying to improve the conditions of poverty "slightly" was a target becuase they were delaying their revolution. To the Salvadorans who were measuring their attacks to meet specific objectives, that was unacceptable. They claimed to be on the side of the poor and killing labor leaders and community organizers because they tried to help the poor by means other ...

"Don't you mean 'Shining?'"
"Shhh, d'ye wanna get sued!"
2013-05-15 03:40:42 PM  
1 vote:
what about the bombing of  Macho Grande
2013-05-15 02:01:32 PM  
1 vote:
It's attractive and successful Anglo-canine, Sir.  He's dead.
2013-05-15 11:16:48 AM  
1 vote:


I'm the bombardier, I'm all right.
2013-05-15 11:08:37 AM  
1 vote:
2013-05-15 11:05:41 AM  
1 vote:
From this video, it appears that the Germans won this battle
2013-05-15 10:08:27 AM  
1 vote:
Hell of a mission and an amazing feat of engineering to boot.

Also, in case you haven't seen it... Dam Busters a la Star Wars
2013-05-15 10:08:15 AM  
1 vote:
I'm still waiting for the Peter Jackson remake.
2013-05-15 10:07:09 AM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: Welcome to the damn bombing raid briefing. Your mission is to destroy all the damn German damns. You can drop all the damn bombs you want on any damn Germans or German damns you want. Does anyone have any damn questions?

damn it... i farked it up. i was supposed to turn some of those damns into dams before pressing add comment. (still drinking my coffee).
2013-05-15 10:05:20 AM  
1 vote:
Interesting movie. It's the one playing in the background in The Wall.

Official, Ministry of Aircraft Production: "You say you need a Wellington Bomber for test drops. They're worth their weight in gold. Do you really think the authorities will lend you one? What possible argument could I put forward to get you a Wellington?"

Barnes Wallace: "Well, if you told them I designed it, do you think that might help?"
2013-05-15 10:02:15 AM  
1 vote:
I have to say that "après moi, le déluge" is a pretty cool unit motto, in a  "I see what you did there" way...
2013-05-15 10:01:33 AM  
1 vote:
Big whoop.  Anyone ever think to remember the millions of innocent fish killed in these raids?  Where's their memorial?
2013-05-15 09:50:03 AM  
1 vote:
This was very cool, my dad made me watch the movie when I was a kid, and I didn't really appreciate it until much later. If you want to see something really weird, google "the name of the dog in dambusters"
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