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(BBC)   70 years ago today, 19 RAF Lancasters armed with special bombs and manned by heroic crews changed the course of WWII in ways we can only appreciate now - they were "The Dam Busters"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 153
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2013-05-15 10:34:43 AM  

UberDave: Good article.  It appears that the crews that manned those aircraft apparently needed to wear over-sized pants to contain their enormous balls...


The bouncing bombs were modelled directly on their testes, so yes, probably.

I've been dipped in this stuff since I was a kid and the survivors were barely middle-aged. I think the notable thing is that Britain was so up against it militarially that they would entertain a great number of "faint hope" ideas that would've been condemned as lunatic at any other point. Wallis's "final approach at 60 feet, counter-spin skipping bomb" was one of those".

The definition of badass, really. The effect on German war production was not in the end significant, but the effect on German morale and on how they had to shift troops to protect previously attack-immune dams and infrastructure was significant. Like the V-2 rocket, which was complex, expensive and, being more or less ballistic, didn't actually destroy much of the British war effort, but it sure filled up the psych wards in a hurry as people felt completely helpless under a rain of the sort of bomb where the boom preceded the boom.
 
2013-05-15 10:38:45 AM  

rosemary's baby daddy: Indeed I read Speer's books and he posited that this type of operation with adequate follow ups conducted by Germany would have been far more effective than bombing civilians during the blitz


I think the Germans / everyone has always known this.  The Blitz was a Hitler order done in revenge for the accidental British bombing of a German civilian population.  The Luftwaffe was against the Blitz because it took away air planes that were previously attacking RAF air fields.
 
2013-05-15 10:39:34 AM  

WelldeadLink: And bigger bomb bay doors.


www.greaseman.org
/waddle-uddum-daddum!
 
2013-05-15 10:40:39 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: the crews who did this were Canadians. Hamilton boasts one of two workable Lancasters left in the wolrld.

australians, americans, new zealanders, canadians, brits...


Pretty certain no Americans were crew on the raids. Any Americans serving in the RAF, RCAF, RAAF or RNZAF would have been transferred to the USAAF late 1942.

Could be painfully wrong of course.
 
2013-05-15 10:40:50 AM  

bhcompy: signaljammer: Whiskey Dickens: Remember that time we drowned all of those civilians and Slavic forced labourers for the purpose of a morale boost?  Good times, good times. 

Thank god the 20th century is over.


I agree.  Nothing to celebrate.  Allied policy during the war didn't spare civilians quite often.

Because it was a real war, not a political action.  We weren't trying to win over the hearts of the locals.  The skilled civilians working in the plants to build tanks were just as much targets as the tankers themselves, and the homes in any vicinity of the factories were collateral damage due to imprecise weaponry.  Nature of war at that time.


if the civilians weren't rising up agains the nazi farkers in power, then they were enabling them.We can try to minimize collateral damage when you have a clear advantage... but given that victory against the Germans wasn't certain, it seems that the allies did what had to be done. We were also right to nuke Japan. (had they surrendered after the first nuke, maybe i'd feel sorry about it... but since it took two, they obviously didn't get the message from the first one).
 
2013-05-15 10:41:04 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: I only knew about this from my old Colecovision game. Loved the idea of the bouncing bombs.


One of the best games ever for what the then-current technology allowed.
 
2013-05-15 10:41:37 AM  

kidgenius: I remember watching a documentary (NOVA?) sometime in the past few years as they tried to re-create this. It was amazing all of the different aspects of this. Hell, during the re-creation one of the barrels bounced higher than the aircraft itself, almost taking it out. And at 50 ft, there would be no recovering. Very, very cool operation.


They should have watched the test video where that exact thing happened resulting in loss of aircraft and crew...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCGpzRzY7fY
 
2013-05-15 10:41:40 AM  
My company (Hatch) was involved in building a mock dam to test the spinning bomb drop a couple years ago for the Discovery channel, very cool
 
2013-05-15 10:42:14 AM  

bhcompy: signaljammer: Whiskey Dickens: Remember that time we drowned all of those civilians and Slavic forced labourers for the purpose of a morale boost?  Good times, good times.

Thank god the 20th century is over.


I agree.  Nothing to celebrate.  Allied policy during the war didn't spare civilians quite often.

Because it was a real war, not a political action.  We weren't trying to win over the hearts of the locals.  The skilled civilians working in the plants to build tanks were just as much targets as the tankers themselves, and the homes in any vicinity of the factories were collateral damage due to imprecise weaponry.  Nature of war at that time.


Not only that, but a kind of war introduced by the Germans themselves. It was foreshadowed in World War I with relatively ineffective but very scary Zeppelin bombing raids, further developed during the Spanish Civil War, and perfected in the Blitz. Yes, civilians had been killed in wars before, but Germany made it a deliberate strategy to target not merely the means of military production, but to directly terrorize the civilian population to reduce its will to resist.
 
2013-05-15 10:44:03 AM  

kbronsito: if the civilians weren't rising up agains the nazi farkers in power, then they were enabling them.



/The slope, it a-slippery.
 
2013-05-15 10:46:37 AM  

HumbertoEcho: I'm still waiting for the Peter Jackson remake.

http://dambustersblog.com/category/peter-jackson/


Pretty amusing. Also a record of how far special effects progressed in 22 years in England.
 
2013-05-15 10:49:29 AM  

Astorix: TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: the crews who did this were Canadians. Hamilton boasts one of two workable Lancasters left in the wolrld.

australians, americans, new zealanders, canadians, brits...

the Brits like to take the credit. The Americans did the daring daylight raids and had a high casualty rate. Pretty much a suicide mission.


One of the best documentaries I ever saw was The Bombing of Germany. Traces the American and British approaches to aerial bombing from 1939 to 1945. Pretty farking sad to watch the race to the bottom. I don't fault anyone for doing anything they did--like a guy in the doc said "the most immoral thing America could have done was to lose the war"--but these things have consequences, even 70 years on. OBL justified his terror attacks and the use of nuclear terror weapons due to our atomic bomb use and firebombings. Eisenhower had sense enough to tell MacArthur to fark himself about using nuclear weapons in the Korean Conflict. Eisenhower knew the world would see that America only used nuclear weapons on non-whites and we would have used them twice.
 
2013-05-15 10:58:37 AM  

kbronsito: bhcompy: signaljammer: Whiskey Dickens: Remember that time we drowned all of those civilians and Slavic forced labourers for the purpose of a morale boost?  Good times, good times.

Thank god the 20th century is over.


I agree.  Nothing to celebrate.  Allied policy during the war didn't spare civilians quite often.

Because it was a real war, not a political action.  We weren't trying to win over the hearts of the locals.  The skilled civilians working in the plants to build tanks were just as much targets as the tankers themselves, and the homes in any vicinity of the factories were collateral damage due to imprecise weaponry.  Nature of war at that time.

if the civilians weren't rising up agains the nazi farkers in power, then they were enabling them.We can try to minimize collateral damage when you have a clear advantage... but given that victory against the Germans wasn't certain, it seems that the allies did what had to be done. We were also right to nuke Japan. (had they surrendered after the first nuke, maybe i'd feel sorry about it... but since it took two, they obviously didn't get the message from the first one).


Through the use of IBM technology and the massive files of the Gestapo, pretty much anyone who tried to overthrow Hitler was farked.

The head of the Abwehr (military intelligence) was a spy for the Allies. He probably contributed more to fighting Hitler than any other German. He kept the Nazis from moving into Spain which would have meant the loss of the Mediterranean to the Allies, etc...

He was part of Operation Valkyrie. Unfortunately, he kept a complete set of diaries which talked very clearly about who was involved in Valkyrie.

The SS held him prisoner then stripped him naked, marched him from his cell to another room where they strung him up with thin piano wire. They waited until he was almost dead, then brought him down, revived him, then strung him up again, repeating the process for over a half an hour.

The White Rose student leader was guillotined after a show trial.

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, and the civil justice system. Many of these Germans had served in government, the military, or in civil positions, which enabled them to engage in subversion and conspiracy; in addition the Canadian historian Peter Hoffman counts unspecified "tens of thousands" in concentration camps who were either suspected or actually engaged in opposition.
 
2013-05-15 11:03:28 AM  
this is their story. *doink doink*
 
2013-05-15 11:05:41 AM  
From this video, it appears that the Germans won this battle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKHc-U2FNHk
 
2013-05-15 11:06:53 AM  

Arkanaut: IdBeCrazyIf: Good to see this getting attention. I don't know if I would call it a single pivot moment but this did definitely slow the war  machine enough to allow Russia to get a foothold back on the Eastern Front

I've heard conflicting assessments of how much the raid affected the German war effort, but one side benefit was that apparently the Americans would later use the same tactics to great effect against Japanese ships.


Not really. While the Lancasters dropped their depth charges (they weren't really bombs in that sense) from very low levels, the devices were rotated backwards to skip over anti-torpedo nets the Germans had put up to protect the dams.

Later (and it wasn't that much later, the USAAF sank nearly an entire convoy of Japanese ships this way in 1943) the US practiced "skip bombing" by just dropping conventional bombs with delayed fuses from very low altitudes. I'm not aware that the USAAF in the SW Pacific got tips on how to practice this from the RAF at all; their tactics were homegrown and also involved very heavily armed B-25's flying ahead of the skip bombers to suppress the ships' antiaircraft fire.

I've also read that the Dam Busters attacked those dams to take power away from their atomic bomb research, but the BBC article didn't mention that.
 
2013-05-15 11:07:47 AM  
Crap beer, classic commercial:

http://youtu.be/iVSBtivbUs4
 
2013-05-15 11:08:37 AM  
HELP THE BOMBADIER! HELP THE BOMBADIER!
 
2013-05-15 11:11:29 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: the crews who did this were Canadians. Hamilton boasts one of two workable Lancasters left in the wolrld.

australians, americans, new zealanders, canadians, brits...

the Brits like to take the credit. The Americans did the daring daylight raids and had a high casualty rate. Pretty much a suicide mission.

One of the best documentaries I ever saw was The Bombing of Germany. Traces the American and British approaches to aerial bombing from 1939 to 1945. Pretty farking sad to watch the race to the bottom. I don't fault anyone for doing anything they did--like a guy in the doc said "the most immoral thing America could have done was to lose the war"--but these things have consequences, even 70 years on. OBL justified his terror attacks and the use of nuclear terror weapons due to our atomic bomb use and firebombings. Eisenhower had sense enough to tell MacArthur to fark himself about using nuclear weapons in the Korean Conflict. Eisenhower knew the world would see that America only used nuclear weapons on non-whites and we would have used them twice.


OBL talked a lot of shiat. But there's no way his terror attacks were in any way related to our tactics in an unrelated conflict 60 years earlier.
 
2013-05-15 11:15:20 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: There was a PBS Nova episode on this a little while back.


I saw that. The development of the bombs was fascinating, but I found myself more interested in the brilliantly simple altitude/bomb release indicator system they devised.
 
2013-05-15 11:16:48 AM  

cwheelie: HELP THE BOMBADIER! HELP THE BOMBADIER!


I'm the bombardier, I'm all right.
 
2013-05-15 11:17:31 AM  

Bendal: I've also read that the Dam Busters attacked those dams to take power away from their atomic bomb research, but the BBC article didn't mention that.


I thought it had to do with supplying Germany's steel producing region.
 
2013-05-15 11:23:49 AM  

buckler: I saw that. The development of the bombs was fascinating, but I found myself more interested in the brilliantly simple altitude/bomb release indicator system they devised.


His work on ground penetration and "earth quake" bombs were brilliant as well.
 
2013-05-15 11:26:17 AM  
Wow. Several people in here who either admire Hitler's efforts, or would have had the U.S. whine bitterly, posture politically, and surrender at the first sign of aggression, while Hitler happily conquered Europe. You know, to avoid any loss of life, because war is the worst thing ever.

It's astonishing just how removed from reality our worldwide military supremacy has allowed the average American to be.
 
2013-05-15 11:26:54 AM  
Hell of a mission.   Even if the Nazi claims that all was back in order in 5 months, that's a hell of disruption in their war machine.

Also, a fun little mission in the game Secret Weapons Over Normandy.  Too bad no Lancaster was available in the game.  The Mosquito seemed best for the job.
 
2013-05-15 11:38:22 AM  
Was expecting a map of Africa
/Leaves dam(n) disappointed
 
2013-05-15 11:39:18 AM  

UberDave: Good article.  It appears that the crews that manned those aircraft apparently needed to wear over-sized pants to contain their enormous balls...


My great-uncle (my grandfather's brother) Bertie Bishop flew in a Lancaster as a tail-gunner.  The got hit hard one mission, and both the pilot and co-pilot were killed or too wounded to fly.

Bertie happened to be a pilot and was able to land the plane safely, holes and all.  D.F.C.

He said the 40's equivalent of "fark those farking farks, I'll go up again."  He was shot down in the raid on Essen; his remains are in the Reischwald Forest War Cemetery.
 
2013-05-15 11:42:15 AM  

show me: This was very cool, my dad made me watch the movie when I was a kid, and I didn't really appreciate it until much later. If you want to see something really weird, google "the name of the dog in dambusters"


wtf
 
2013-05-15 11:44:03 AM  

SuperChuck: TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: TheShavingofOccam123: Astorix: the crews who did this were Canadians. Hamilton boasts one of two workable Lancasters left in the wolrld.

australians, americans, new zealanders, canadians, brits...

the Brits like to take the credit. The Americans did the daring daylight raids and had a high casualty rate. Pretty much a suicide mission.

One of the best documentaries I ever saw was The Bombing of Germany. Traces the American and British approaches to aerial bombing from 1939 to 1945. Pretty farking sad to watch the race to the bottom. I don't fault anyone for doing anything they did--like a guy in the doc said "the most immoral thing America could have done was to lose the war"--but these things have consequences, even 70 years on. OBL justified his terror attacks and the use of nuclear terror weapons due to our atomic bomb use and firebombings. Eisenhower had sense enough to tell MacArthur to fark himself about using nuclear weapons in the Korean Conflict. Eisenhower knew the world would see that America only used nuclear weapons on non-whites and we would have used them twice.

OBL talked a lot of shiat. But there's no way his terror attacks were in any way related to our tactics in an unrelated conflict 60 years earlier.


From Bin Laden's 2002 letter to America, as an example:

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan...


etc...

He might have been talking shiat but he was talking shiat about using nuclear weapons on Japan. He was justifying the use of nuclear weapons in terror attacks against the United States. When a dirty bomb is set off or a nuclear explosion occurs on US soil it will be because the terrorists have justified the use of those weapons by our military's movement from refusing to bomb civilians to incinerating them by the hundreds of thousands at a time. Not that terrorist have to look far in their minds to find justification for attacking the US. If it's Tuesday, they're justified.
 
2013-05-15 11:48:15 AM  
aah, the weekly WWII story. The last "good war". Never gets old.  Notice how we don't have these stories about Vietnam, Desert Storm, Grenada, etc. etc.?
 
2013-05-15 11:51:51 AM  
Prisoner No. 6

Big whoop. Anyone ever think to remember the millions of innocent fish killed in these raids? Where's their memorial?

The poor sealake-kittens
www.inquisitr.com

/// yes peta is that insane.
 
2013-05-15 11:52:44 AM  
I'm waiting for the American film version of this, where Ben Affleck leads an ethnically-diverse group of brave, lovable misfits in a daring USAF raid to bomb the dams, rescue a stunningly beautiful American agent, and personally punch out Hitler.

fireclown: google "the name of the dog in dambusters"

Also see the name of the cat in HP Lovecrafts "rats in the walls"


Yeah stay away from some of his poetry then O_o.  Fun writer, hugely racist though.
 
2013-05-15 11:56:39 AM  

Valiente: The definition of badass, really. The effect on German war production was not in the end significant, but the effect on German morale and on how they had to shift troops to protect previously attack-immune dams and infrastructure was significant.


I have to wonder about the war production, from the article it mentions 'armies of forced laborers working around the clock' to repair the dams.  A single hydroelectric power station had 'thousands of troops, hitler youth, prisoners of war, and enslaved workers'.

By the sounds of it, that's tens of thousands of workers busy repairing the damage instead of repairing other infrastructure, building more, or making more war material.

At the cost of a few planes, an extremely cost effective attack.  Post-war analysis probably said that more attacks to KEEP the dams out of operation might have been good, but it was probably the assessment of the time that the Germans had shifted enough anti-air to make that impractical.  Of course, simply removing that much anti-air from other areas would have beneficial effects of it's own.
 
2013-05-15 11:58:17 AM  
JustGetItRight:
What the Russians did was keep Berlin from getting nuked.

If they aren't involved then the war in Europe's nowhere near finished in 1945 but the US has a wonder weapon - and yes I fully believe we would have used it.


Except that they could have wiped it off the map roughly any time after February of 1945 (and seeing what happened to Dresden).  Dresden's population wasn't big enough to rate on the huge death tolls (death tolls on an order of Japanese firebombing of Chongqing in the 1930s), but a similar attack on Tokyo killed somewhere between that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Don't forget that those bombs weren't SS-20 H-bombs, and only really flattened downtown.  Berlin was subject to Soviet artillery, which didn't have any such restriction.

/do we really need so many ways to kill each other?
//do we have to use them all?
 
2013-05-15 11:58:25 AM  

johndalek: great movie

but the dog's name isn't so politically correct anymore.


Digger please.
 
2013-05-15 11:58:37 AM  
I cant wait for the Hollywood remake replacing all the Brits with Americans.

USA USA USA
 
2013-05-15 12:19:40 PM  

Clash City Farker: I cant wait for the Hollywood remake replacing all the Brits with Americans.

USA USA USA


With the Buddy Holly/Wu Tang sound track!
 
2013-05-15 12:27:58 PM  
Skip to the Loo, my darling
 
2013-05-15 12:28:00 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: JustGetItRight:
What the Russians did was keep Berlin from getting nuked.

If they aren't involved then the war in Europe's nowhere near finished in 1945 but the US has a wonder weapon - and yes I fully believe we would have used it.

Except that they could have wiped it off the map roughly any time after February of 1945 (and seeing what happened to Dresden).  Dresden's population wasn't big enough to rate on the huge death tolls (death tolls on an order of Japanese firebombing of Chongqing in the 1930s), but a similar attack on Tokyo killed somewhere between that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Don't forget that those bombs weren't SS-20 H-bombs, and only really flattened downtown.  Berlin was subject to Soviet artillery, which didn't have any such restriction.

/do we really need so many ways to kill each other?
//do we have to use them all?


Harris tried very, very hard to destroy Berlin like his RAF destroyed Dresden and Hamburg. He failed; Berlin wasn't built the same way as those two cities and the RAF lost hundreds of bombers on repeated missions to that city. In the end it didn't matter; Berlin was a shell of a city when the Germans surrendered thanks to both the RAF and USAAF bombing nearly every square foot of it.
 
2013-05-15 12:34:29 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Whiskey Dickens: Remember that time we drowned all of those civilians and Slavic forced labourers for the purpose of a morale boost?  Good times, good times. 

Thank god the 20th century is over.

Awwwwww. You butthurt? War is Hell. Sh*t gets broken. People die.


They'll be even more butthurt when they grow up and realize that things haven't really changed.  War is hell.  People die.  Often innocent people.
 
2013-05-15 12:37:23 PM  
Father_Jack: IdBeCrazyIf: Good to see this getting attention. I don't know if I would call it a single pivot moment but this did definitely slow the war  machine enough to allow Russia to get a foothold back on the Eastern Front

um... really?

explain to me how flooding parts of western germany helps destroy divisions in the Ukraine.

besides this was after stalingrad just before kursk. russia already had its "foothold"

the anglo americans in general need to quit thinking they were anything but jr. partners in the war against hitler. the Reds did all the heavy lifting. sure, we bankrolled it and supplied it, but the russians did all the killing/dying.


95% of German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
 
2013-05-15 12:45:13 PM  

Source4leko: TV's Vinnie: Whiskey Dickens: Remember that time we drowned all of those civilians and Slavic forced labourers for the purpose of a morale boost?  Good times, good times.

Thank god the 20th century is over.

Awwwwww. You butthurt? War is Hell. Sh*t gets broken. People die.

They'll be even more butthurt when they grow up and realize that things haven't really changed.  War is hell.  People die.  Often innocent people.



Nice to see Farkers with common sense. Maybe there's a backbone in our Nation's future after all.


Source4leko: They'll be even more butthurt when they grow up and realize that things haven't really changed.


Not guaranteed. Thanks to Pax Americana, naive idealism is often sheltered through a person's entire life.
 
2013-05-15 12:45:49 PM  
I played that game:
www.gamesdbase.com
Then I got a better version:
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And then I got an even better version
i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-15 12:58:16 PM  

johndalek: great movie

but the dog's name isn't so politically correct anymore.


, please.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:21 PM  

Bendal: like his RAF destroyed Dresden and Hamburg.


My foster father, Maj. Charles E Kerwin, was the commander  of the 303rd "Hell's Angles" bomb group, 8th Air force. He was the pathfinder for the American raids on Dresden. He would argue that the British has some help.

And contrary to what the revisionists would have you believe, Dresden was a major rail hub for the movement of men and material to the Russian front. We bombed it at Stalin's insistence that we do more to directly  help on the Eastern front.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:23 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Except that they could have wiped it off the map roughly any time after February of 1945 (and seeing what happened to Dresden). Dresden's population wasn't big enough to rate on the huge death tolls (death tolls on an order of Japanese firebombing of Chongqing in the 1930s), but a similar attack on Tokyo killed somewhere between that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Don't forget that those bombs weren't SS-20 H-bombs, and only really flattened downtown. Berlin was subject to Soviet artillery, which didn't have any such restriction.


The threat wasn't the destruction or the TNT equivalent in and of itself. It was that it was a single bomb delivered by a single bomber. American had thousands of similar bombers. And any one of them could be holding that wonder weapon which could erase a city in less than the blink of an eye.

You can stop half the bombers. But you can't stop all of them. And if the enemy only needs one, there's no place left to hide. It's a huge morale hit.
 
2013-05-15 01:08:09 PM  

smells_like_meat: Bendal: like his RAF destroyed Dresden and Hamburg.

My foster father, Maj. Charles E Kerwin, was the commander  of the 303rd "Hell's Angles" bomb group, 8th Air force. He was the pathfinder for the American raids on Dresden. He would argue that the British has some help.

And contrary to what the revisionists would have you believe, Dresden was a major rail hub for the movement of men and material to the Russian front. We bombed it at Stalin's insistence that we do more to directly  help on the Eastern front.


Help Russia in March 1945? Bull crap.

USA strategic bombing in WWII was nothing but a waste of resources and a tremendous failure. It soon became clear that the 'precision' bomb sights could not work through smoke and fog so tactics were switched to area bombing and later fire-bombing. AKA murder.
 
2013-05-15 01:17:15 PM  

Arkanaut: IdBeCrazyIf: Good to see this getting attention. I don't know if I would call it a single pivot moment but this did definitely slow the war  machine enough to allow Russia to get a foothold back on the Eastern Front

I've heard conflicting assessments of how much the raid affected the German war effort, but one side benefit was that apparently the Americans would later use the same tactics to great effect against Japanese ships.


5th AAF under Gen Kenny developed and used "skip bombing" against shipping in the SW pacific by October 1942. B-17s, B-25s and A-20s.
 
2013-05-15 01:18:02 PM  

Clash City Farker: USA strategic bombing in WWII was nothing but a waste of resources and a tremendous failure. It soon became clear that the 'precision' bomb sights could not work through smoke and fog so tactics were switched to area bombing and later fire-bombing. AKA murder.


Bomb sights weren't perfect, so we should have just packed up and gone home, right? Told Hitler to hold on tight for a few decades until satellite guidance could be invented and fine-tuned? Good thinking.

It must make the world seem much simpler, completely ignoring historical context and projecting modern ideas and methods onto historical events. I envy the happiness that your simplistic, childlike understanding of history, along with the resulting judgments, must bring you.
 
2013-05-15 01:18:51 PM  

UberDave: Good article.  It appears that the crews that manned those aircraft apparently needed to wear over-sized pants to contain their enormous balls...


And when they were doing their runs to the dams flying four-engine aircraft at basically zero feet, in the dark, with ack-ack shooting at 'em, I imagine the oversize trousers came in pretty damn handy.
 
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