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(Anchorage Daily News)   Not to alarm anyone on Fark, but a woman has died after drinking too much home brew. "It's basically the PCP of alcohol"   (adn.com) divider line 122
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2013-05-15 02:42:19 AM
What a stupid comment. PCP does not, as far as I know, affect a person in nearly the same way as alcohol. Also, it was homemade liquor apparently, which is a far cry from say beer which is the only thing I associate with the term 'home brew'.
 
2013-05-15 03:17:03 AM
what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?
 
2013-05-15 04:01:38 AM
The rate of alcohol-induced deaths in the Western Alaska census area that includes Mountain Village is more than 60 percent higher than the statewide rate

The Yup'ik community of about 830 people banned the sale and importation of alcohol in 1984


I know it's uber rocket sciencey, but there just might possibly be some small connection between the two.
 
2013-05-15 04:04:33 AM
What a retarded thing to say.
 
2013-05-15 08:50:09 AM

ladyfortuna: What a stupid comment. PCP does not, as far as I know, affect a person in nearly the same way as alcohol. Also, it was homemade liquor apparently, which is a far cry from say beer which is the only thing I associate with the term 'home brew'.


Alcohol affects the GABA receptors, among other things.  Phencyclidine is an NMDB receptor antagonist.  So yes, dumb comment.
 
2013-05-15 10:39:09 AM

vossiewulf: The rate of alcohol-induced deaths in the Western Alaska census area that includes Mountain Village is more than 60 percent higher than the statewide rate

The Yup'ik community of about 830 people banned the sale and importation of alcohol in 1984

I know it's uber rocket sciencey, but there just might possibly be some small connection between the two.


Sad thing is that the rate would be higher if they got rid of the ban.
 
2013-05-15 10:42:04 AM

skinbubble: Sad thing is that the rate would be higher if they got rid of the ban.


No it wouldn't.
 
2013-05-15 10:49:36 AM

skinbubble: vossiewulf: The rate of alcohol-induced deaths in the Western Alaska census area that includes Mountain Village is more than 60 percent higher than the statewide rate

The Yup'ik community of about 830 people banned the sale and importation of alcohol in 1984

I know it's uber rocket sciencey, but there just might possibly be some small connection between the two.

Sad thing is that the rate would be higher if they got rid of the ban.


Booze is remarkably easy to make, so much so that they can even manage to make it in prisons.  I doubt pruno will be winning any wine tasting awards, but I'm sure it does the trick.  Prohibition is ridiculous.  Same goes for marijuana, which is called weed for a reason, anyone can grow a plant.
 
2013-05-15 11:03:38 AM
The highest I ever got a homebrew is 14%. If you die from drinking 14% homebrew you are trying to die.

Me thinks distilling is involved.
 
2013-05-15 11:10:32 AM
O.M.G. an official at the scene is an idiot! Film at 11!
 
2013-05-15 11:29:35 AM
"She aspirated her stomach content, which clogged her airway," Mobley wrote in a trooper report posted online. No foul play is suspected.
...

"It's basically the PCP of alcohol," Mobley said. "You don't know what it's going to do to you or how it's going to affect you."


Sounds like this "PCP of alcohol" affected her exactly like one would expect alcohol to affect her. She didn't die from any OD, she died because she choked on her own vomit, something that happens all the time from good old regular alcohol.

What a moron.
 
2013-05-15 11:35:55 AM

impaler: "She aspirated her stomach content, which clogged her airway," Mobley wrote in a trooper report posted online. No foul play is suspected.
...

"It's basically the PCP of alcohol," Mobley said. "You don't know what it's going to do to you or how it's going to affect you."

Sounds like this "PCP of alcohol" affected her exactly like one would expect alcohol to affect her. She didn't die from any OD, she died because she choked on her own vomit, something that happens all the time from good old regular alcohol.

What a moron.


Pretty much. Jimmy Hendrix, John Bonham, and Tommy Dorsey share this woman's fate...

Of course, they all had better publicity and a legacy to seal the deal. Well, that, and a lot better drugs and booze...
 
2013-05-15 11:37:29 AM
"She aspirated her stomach content, which clogged her airway,"

Ummm, that happens to people drinking all kinds of alcohol, subbs.
 
2013-05-15 11:59:29 AM
The last time this happened, we all agreed that the idiot in question did not drink home BREW which is beer, but instead drank home distilled liquor. *click* Ah yes. Same thing here.
 
2013-05-15 12:01:10 PM
Homebrew subby or "hooch"?  Home BREW requires a brewed beverage, this seems to be a DISTILLED one which makes it Hooch, Corn Likker, Potcheen, or 'Shine. And de fact that dat stuff'll kill you with a quickness, esepcially when made or aged wrong has been known for a long damn time.   They don't call it "rotgut" for funsies ya know.
 
2013-05-15 12:01:42 PM
"I just arrested a guy today," Mobley said. "He said the reason why we've had so much cold weather is that the elders say it's because we've had so many deaths."

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/05/14/2902394/troopers-woman-died-in-sleep-af t er.html#storylink=cpy

Well, you arrested a crazy man.  It's cold because you live in farking Alaska.
 
2013-05-15 12:02:06 PM
Alaska..
The "Home brew" they make there is probably worse than the stuff prisoners make.
 
2013-05-15 12:03:04 PM
Home brew's a hell of a drank

/strange brew indeed, eh?
 
2013-05-15 12:03:05 PM
PCP make you piss like a race horse? Good to know.
 
2013-05-15 12:03:19 PM

namegoeshere: The last time this happened, we all agreed that the idiot in question did not drink home BREW which is beer, but instead drank home distilled liquor. *click* Ah yes. Same thing here.


Yuppers. Hayseed drinks moonshine, passes out, chokes on her own* vomit. Repeat through eternity.

*Or so we presume. It's well established by now that you can't really dust for vomit.
 
2013-05-15 12:03:41 PM
Distillation of liquor in the home is illegal (as far as I know, in all fifty states) and is not "homebrew", which is associated with beer or wine making in the home.
 
2013-05-15 12:04:16 PM

skinbubble: vossiewulf: The rate of alcohol-induced deaths in the Western Alaska census area that includes Mountain Village is more than 60 percent higher than the statewide rate

The Yup'ik community of about 830 people banned the sale and importation of alcohol in 1984

I know it's uber rocket sciencey, but there just might possibly be some small connection between the two.

Sad thing is that the rate would be higher if they got rid of the ban.


You honestly believe that if people had the ability to buy safe alcohol in stores they would still turn around and make it themselves? Instead of just going to the store and buying instant booze?

/because alcohol-related death rates higher than 60% are normal for areas that aren't backwoods, amirite?
 
2013-05-15 12:04:50 PM

Evil Mackerel: PCP makes you piss like a race horse? Good to know.


FTFM
 
2013-05-15 12:05:52 PM
Methanol is one hell of a drug.
 
2013-05-15 12:05:57 PM
The victim's name was Romona Rose Waskey.  More like Romona Rose Whiskey.....amiright!!!
 
Ni
2013-05-15 12:06:05 PM

ladyfortuna: What a stupid comment. PCP does not, as far as I know, affect a person in nearly the same way as alcohol. Also, it was homemade liquor apparently, which is a far cry from say beer which is the only thing I associate with the term 'home brew'.


Yeah, it's an attempt to equate a known euphoric/depressant to a really dangerous peel-off-your-skin-while-laughing hallucinogen. I'm sure PCP was the scariest drug the officer could think of, so he used that. What a dumbass.

Home brew strength depends solely on the yeast and nutrients given. Strength is easily calculated, and can even be guessed from the ingredients.
 
2013-05-15 12:06:27 PM
Too much Waskey ---THAT's what killed her.
 
2013-05-15 12:08:11 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?


Midol.

canigivemydog.com
 
2013-05-15 12:08:13 PM

nekom: ladyfortuna: What a stupid comment. PCP does not, as far as I know, affect a person in nearly the same way as alcohol. Also, it was homemade liquor apparently, which is a far cry from say beer which is the only thing I associate with the term 'home brew'.

Alcohol affects the GABA receptors...



That's the part of the brain that allows you to enjoy The Ramones.
 
2013-05-15 12:08:18 PM
Misleading headlines make it sound like she died from home-brewed beer. Liquor is "distilled", not "brewed", FFS.
 
2013-05-15 12:10:09 PM
Bullshiat.  Homebrew is beer.  Sounds like this lady made something else.  Or she just drank a shiatload of it, vomited in her sleep, and died.
 
2013-05-15 12:10:42 PM
It's not that difficult to mind your heads and tails.  It isn't rocket surgery.
 
2013-05-15 12:11:08 PM
Waskey Tango Foxtrot!
 
2013-05-15 12:11:33 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: /because alcohol-related death rates higher than 60% are normal for areas that aren't backwoods, amirite?


An Inuit town might be much higher than average regardless of what they're drinking.  There's a genetic component to how well you handle alcohol, I don't think the Inuit handle it as well as Scandinavians or Russians or whoever liked -50 winters enough to settle Alaska.
 
2013-05-15 12:12:16 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?


Cheep gin
 
2013-05-15 12:12:30 PM

Carn: Bullshiat.  Homebrew is beer.  Sounds like this lady made something else.  Or she just drank a shiatload of it, vomited in her sleep, and died.


You think that maybe, just maybe, the  Yup'ik people may have the freedom to use a word or two differently than you?
 
2013-05-15 12:12:59 PM
I'd like to say that this is a seed of a FUD campaign to curb the rise in home brewing.  But, I'm pretty sure that this is just a dumbass being a dumbass.

The dangers introduced by home-made liquor has nothing to do with brewing.  It is in the distilling process. Liquor can be harmful if not distilled correctly.  The conversion of sugar into alcohol (brewing process) is safe. Specifically with beer, there is no known micro-organism that is harmful to humans and that can also grow in a home brew.  Farkers are safe.. unless they're moonshiners.
 
2013-05-15 12:13:27 PM
Home brew is the PCP of alcohol?
Did drinking it make her eat her kid's eyes?
 
2013-05-15 12:13:53 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The highest I ever got a homebrew is 14%. If you die from drinking 14% homebrew you are trying to die.

Me thinks distilling is involved.


Turbo yeasts will get you up to 20%... but it won't taste very good.
 
2013-05-15 12:14:24 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Midori. It's...It's green.
 
2013-05-15 12:14:42 PM
so I should re-think my plans for a copper still then?

/luckly I have the crack-cocaine of MJ at my disposal
//would be nice to mix the PCP of Alcohol with
///does anyone have the mdma of shrooms on hand?
 
2013-05-15 12:15:49 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?


Back in the day, it was Aqua Net hairspray.

http://www.wellbriety-nci.org/Publications/ocean.htm
 
2013-05-15 12:16:11 PM
 
2013-05-15 12:17:07 PM

D135: so I should re-think my plans for a copper still then?

/luckly I have the crack-cocaine of MJ at my disposal
//would be nice to mix the PCP of Alcohol with
///does anyone have the mdma of shrooms on hand?


I have always thought about getting a license so I can grow mescalin. The peyote of cacti.  wait....
 
2013-05-15 12:17:18 PM
This story along with some of the comments about PCP's diuretic side effect made me think of that racehorse whose name was required to be changed by the Jockey Club: Liquor Wrecked 'Em
 
2013-05-15 12:18:44 PM

tuna fingers: Carn: Bullshiat.  Homebrew is beer.  Sounds like this lady made something else.  Or she just drank a shiatload of it, vomited in her sleep, and died.

You think that maybe, just maybe, the  Yup'ik people may have the freedom to use a word or two differently than you?


which word, vomit?
 
2013-05-15 12:22:01 PM
If the heat compels you to aspirate, please try not to miss the bowl.
 
2013-05-15 12:25:33 PM
While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize. That can lead to accidental death. Just like not knowing the strength of street drugs can lead to accidental overdose.
 
2013-05-15 12:30:52 PM

rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize. That can lead to accidental death. Just like not knowing the strength of street drugs can lead to accidental overdose.


What the hell?
It's kind of our job as Farkers to miss the farking point.  Are you new here?
 
2013-05-15 12:31:13 PM

Ni: ladyfortuna: What a stupid comment. PCP does not, as far as I know, affect a person in nearly the same way as alcohol. Also, it was homemade liquor apparently, which is a far cry from say beer which is the only thing I associate with the term 'home brew'.

Yeah, it's an attempt to equate a known euphoric/depressant to a really dangerous peel-off-your-skin-while-laughing hallucinogen. I'm sure PCP was the scariest drug the officer could think of, so he used that. What a dumbass.


He should have gone with krokodil for the full retard WTF.
 
2013-05-15 12:32:29 PM

hubiestubert: impaler: "She aspirated her stomach content, which clogged her airway," Mobley wrote in a trooper report posted online. No foul play is suspected.
...

"It's basically the PCP of alcohol," Mobley said. "You don't know what it's going to do to you or how it's going to affect you."

Sounds like this "PCP of alcohol" affected her exactly like one would expect alcohol to affect her. She didn't die from any OD, she died because she choked on her own vomit, something that happens all the time from good old regular alcohol.

What a moron.

Pretty much. Jimmy Hendrix, John Bonham, and Tommy Dorsey share this woman's fate...

Of course, they all had better publicity and a legacy to seal the deal. Well, that, and a lot better drugs and booze...


No love for Bon Scott and Keith Moon?
 
2013-05-15 12:33:14 PM

ChipNASA: Too much Waskey ---THAT's what killed her.


Can waskey be a meme like vodak?
 
2013-05-15 12:35:01 PM
If I lived in Mountain Village, West-Farking Alaska, I'd drink myself to death too...

www.idcide.com
 
2013-05-15 12:36:09 PM

robbiex0r: The Stealth Hippopotamus: The highest I ever got a homebrew is 14%. If you die from drinking 14% homebrew you are trying to die.

Me thinks distilling is involved.

Turbo yeasts will get you up to 20%... but it won't taste very good.


Out in the villages the usual method is to use Kool-Ade, sugar, water, and normal baking yeast.  Normally this is allowed to ferment in a 5 gallon bucket kept near the Monitor or wood stove until it's ready to drink.  Not sure what the alcohol levels get to, but when you drink a LOT of it, it still reaches the desired effect.

I have heard of some over-achievers using freeze-distillation to increase the alcohol levels though.

Fun trivia fact:  Most of the dry villages in Alaska keep the yeast and Kool-Ade behind the counter with the cold medicines.  They actually make people sign for it so they know who is buying yeast.  But since the postal service has no issue with delivering yeast and packets of fruit-flavored drink mix, it's kind of a stop-gap solution at best.
 
2013-05-15 12:37:17 PM

rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize.


This makes it different than a lot of beers how? Beer strength generally varies from 3% to 8% (with outliers above and below).

No, he is not saying it has an unknown strength, he's alluding to the fact that poorly distilled alcohol can contain alcohols other than ethanol that fark you up bad (which is more rare than fork-lore would have one believe). Yet the bad effect here is just a regular effect of regular ethanol.

If she went blind, he would have had a point.
 
2013-05-15 12:37:20 PM
Waskey's whiskey. I digress...
 
2013-05-15 12:41:33 PM
Homebrew != home distilled hooch.

It's an important step of course, but so is self control when imbibing home made spirits.
 
2013-05-15 12:42:28 PM

tuna fingers: Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?

Back in the day, it was Aqua Net hairspray.

http://www.wellbriety-nci.org/Publications/ocean.htm


Holy farkmeUp batman!!!

Aw geeze...they included the recipe fer Gawd's sake...
 
2013-05-15 12:45:07 PM
*facepalm on all fronts, from headline to police comment to the deceased*
 
2013-05-15 12:45:36 PM
Strange brew, kills what's inside of you.
 
2013-05-15 12:48:25 PM
So they banned alcohol in the village so the residents resort to making potentially dangerous liquor that sometimes kills them. Prohibition works!
 
2013-05-15 12:50:08 PM

Igor Jakovsky: So they banned alcohol in the village so the residents resort to making potentially dangerous liquor that sometimes kills them. Prohibition works!


Genocide works.
This is targeting natives.
It's a slow genocide, but it works.
 
2013-05-15 12:50:31 PM
You would think people would have learned to expect the inevitable results of prohibition by now. It never achieves its ostensive goals, and it always makes things worse.

Of course, maybe the real point is just to profit from both the illicit supply and the law enforcement angles while steadily grabbing up more power in the name of combating the problem you've created.
 
2013-05-15 12:52:05 PM

JesseL: You would think people would have learned to expect the inevitable results of prohibition by now. It never achieves its ostensive goals, and it always makes things worse.

Of course, maybe the real point is just to profit from both the illicit supply and the law enforcement angles while steadily grabbing up more power in the name of combating the problem you've created.


You're ready for a career in politics!!!
 
2013-05-15 12:53:26 PM
Getting a kick, as ill be spending my summer in western Alaska, and will be drinking grain alcohol my deckhand made at home.

/sleeps on side for safety
 
2013-05-15 12:54:23 PM

Magorn: Homebrew subby or "hooch"?  Home BREW requires a brewed beverage, this seems to be a DISTILLED one which makes it Hooch, Corn Likker, Potcheen, or 'Shine. And de fact that dat stuff'll kill you with a quickness, esepcially when made or aged wrong has been known for a long damn time.   They don't call it "rotgut" for funsies ya know.


aged wrong?  You mean, after not including the methanol and avoiding lead, anti-freeze and other contamination you expect the ethanol to break down?  Have some faith in fark's favorite chemical.  Of course, ageing at all is wrong for moonshine or vodak (vodak is said to be far easier and better to make).

Any Alaskan farkers who can take a stab at how many locals fell for this trooper's idiocy?  Or is he just saying it avoid sweeping up cheechako's bodies?
 
2013-05-15 12:54:25 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?


www.ghettowine.com

That, or

www.garrettlyonsdds.com
 
2013-05-15 12:55:29 PM

impaler: rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize.

This makes it different than a lot of beers how? Beer strength generally varies from 3% to 8% (with outliers above and below).

No, he is not saying it has an unknown strength, he's alluding to the fact that poorly distilled alcohol can contain alcohols other than ethanol that fark you up bad (which is more rare than fork-lore would have one believe). Yet the bad effect here is just a regular effect of regular ethanol.

If she went blind, he would have had a point.


What part of : "A 57-year-old Mountain Village woman died in her sleep Monday after drinking too much homemade liquor, according to Alaska State Troopers" isalluding to the fact that poorly distilled alcohol can contain alcohols other than ethanol. Sounds to me like they are saying she drank too much alcohol.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/05/14/2902394/troopers-woman-died-in-sleep-af t er.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-05-15 12:57:22 PM

impaler: rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize.

This makes it different than a lot of beers how? Beer strength generally varies from 3% to 8% (with outliers above and below).


Well, for starters, distilled spirits will have MUCH higher alcohol than the strongest beer.  Erring on the alcohol content is more dangerous when in the ballpark of 40 or 100 proof than at 3-8% ABV.

No, he is not saying it has an unknown strength, he's alluding to the fact that poorly distilled alcohol can contain alcohols other than ethanol that fark you up bad (which is more rare than fork-lore would have one believe). Yet the bad effect here is just a regular effect of regular ethanol.

If she went blind, he would have had a point.


It could be elements of both.  Once distilled, all of the volatile compounds are concentrated.  With that, you have a stronger drink with chemicals in a concentration dangerous for consumption (acetone, for example).  Either not dumping the heads and/or drinking too much too fast at high proof ethanol could lead to death.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:08 PM
media.screened.com
It's a *felony*! Wow, and... here you are... with it anyway! That is... wow! I didn't even know it... came in liquid form!
 
2013-05-15 12:58:58 PM

yet_another_wumpus: You mean, after not including the methanol and avoiding lead, anti-freeze and other contamination you expect the ethanol to break down?


Are you saying I shouldn't use an old car radiator for my condenser?
 
2013-05-15 12:59:39 PM

vudukungfu: Igor Jakovsky: So they banned alcohol in the village so the residents resort to making potentially dangerous liquor that sometimes kills them. Prohibition works!

Genocide works.
This is targeting natives.
It's a slow genocide, but it works.


Point of order - the "Damp" or "Dry" villages are that way due to a self-imposed prohibition.  They voted for it themselves, it was not imposed on them by outsiders.
 
2013-05-15 01:02:36 PM

robbiex0r: Turbo yeasts will get you up to 20%... but it won't taste very good.


If I wanted stuff that didn't taste good I wouldn't bother to make my own.
 
2013-05-15 01:04:13 PM

impaler: yet_another_wumpus: You mean, after not including the methanol and avoiding lead, anti-freeze and other contamination you expect the ethanol to break down?

Are you saying I shouldn't use an old car radiator for my condenser?


Well, it does look cool...
 
2013-05-15 01:05:31 PM
And now for a little brewing porn

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There is two of my apple wines...
 
2013-05-15 01:05:47 PM
What a crock.  The woman suffocated after choking on her own vomit.

If they're making their own hard liquor, they might have a case as it's much easier to make a deadly concoction, or blow up your house when distilling.  Which is why it's illegal.

Home brewing is extremely safe.
I put so much time and effort into mine that I'll be damned if anyone's going to waste it.
 
2013-05-15 01:12:27 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: hubiestubert: impaler: "She aspirated her stomach content, which clogged her airway," Mobley wrote in a trooper report posted online. No foul play is suspected.
...

"It's basically the PCP of alcohol," Mobley said. "You don't know what it's going to do to you or how it's going to affect you."

Sounds like this "PCP of alcohol" affected her exactly like one would expect alcohol to affect her. She didn't die from any OD, she died because she choked on her own vomit, something that happens all the time from good old regular alcohol.

What a moron.

Pretty much. Jimmy Hendrix, John Bonham, and Tommy Dorsey share this woman's fate...

Of course, they all had better publicity and a legacy to seal the deal. Well, that, and a lot better drugs and booze...

No love for Bon Scott and Keith Moon?


It's been said Bon Scott officially died of acute alcohol poisoning/death by misadventure but he probably died the same way. Moon overdosed on pills, not sure if he choked on his own vomit also..
 
2013-05-15 01:17:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And now for a little brewing porn

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There is two of my apple wines...


I am fermenting a second batch now and was planning on cracking open a bottle of the first batch tonight.  I followed EdWort's original recipe on the first but I prefer to mix in some cranberry juice to it or make a snakebite.  It's a little dry all by itself.  Sure packs a punch though.

/I prefer beer.
 
2013-05-15 01:22:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And now for a little brewing porn

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There is two of my apple wines...


How the hell do you get apple juice cheaply and not have it be "blended" crap that is 90% grape juice?  I am in Texas, not alot of apple orchards.  I tried concentrated apple juice and what I got was.....well...bad.  Got 4 gallons of it hidden around the house that i'm afraid to ever open again.  I even tried freeze distilling it and after a few weeks I ended up with the most sour slushy in history.

Watsur sekret?
 
2013-05-15 01:28:10 PM

orclover: Watsur sekret?


He doesn't live in Texas?
 
2013-05-15 01:29:32 PM

rwfan: orclover: Watsur sekret?

He doesn't live in Texas?


Guess I will have to stick to watermelon wine :(
 
2013-05-15 01:33:45 PM
Got lead?

Home distilled alcohol will kill you if you add something stupid to it to give it more kick or "smooth" out the flavour. Wood alcohol is a good example. It's poison. Antifreeze is another common additive to home made wines and spirits. Even Bart Simpson had the sense to know that was wrong.

If there are no contaminants (lead and other toxins from the equipment used to distill the alcohol, contaminants from the bottles or jugs used to store it or from recycled barrels that contained something highly toxic before being turned into a still), then the high alcohol content alone might do the job. Moonshine is often very high proof, ranging all the way up to 200 (maximum proof--pure alcohol).

Those are the three main killers:

adulteration
contamination
over-dose.

You might also be killed by something biological such as bacteria if you don't exercise due caution and careful hygienic practices. A nice warm vat of home-brewed beer or wine, even infected equipment or raw materials used to distill spirits, might kill you.

I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't get ergotism from grain used to make spirits. IIRC, this is caused by a type of mold that infects grains and which can cause hallucinations and death. It has been proposed as a possible contributor to legends of werewolves, vampires and other monsters because of the bizarre behavior, mental, and physical side-effects, it can cause in people poisoned with it.

In addition to these causes, there are certain vegetable materials which could be used to make alcohol which are toxic unless carefully processed. Few of them would be available in the developed world, but native peoples in South America, Africa and Asia might well use raw materials that create deadly cyanide compounds or worse.

Conclusion: home made is not always better.
 
2013-05-15 01:39:02 PM
OK. Just had a look at the article. She fell asleep while drunk and threw up. Basically she drowned or choked on her stomach contents.

That's another way that home-made alcohol can kill you.

But it would work just as well if you drank a big glass of water and took a couple or three sleeping pills. They say you can drown face down in an inch of water, but you don't even need that if your bronchial tubes are blocked and you are too unconscious to react.
 
2013-05-15 01:40:44 PM

orclover: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And now for a little brewing porn

[img706.imageshack.us image 478x640]

There is two of my apple wines...

How the hell do you get apple juice cheaply and not have it be "blended" crap that is 90% grape juice?  I am in Texas, not alot of apple orchards.  I tried concentrated apple juice and what I got was.....well...bad.  Got 4 gallons of it hidden around the house that i'm afraid to ever open again.  I even tried freeze distilling it and after a few weeks I ended up with the most sour slushy in history.

Watsur sekret?


Check out this link, and follow the instructions exactly.  After that, you'll know what you like, and what you really like about it.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f81/edworts-apfelwein-33986/
 
2013-05-15 01:49:20 PM

brantgoose: Got lead?

Home distilled alcohol will kill you if you add something stupid to it to give it more kick or "smooth" out the flavour. Wood alcohol is a good example. It's poison. Antifreeze is another common additive to home made wines and spirits. Even Bart Simpson had the sense to know that was wrong.

If there are no contaminants (lead and other toxins from the equipment used to distill the alcohol, contaminants from the bottles or jugs used to store it or from recycled barrels that contained something highly toxic before being turned into a still), then the high alcohol content alone might do the job. Moonshine is often very high proof, ranging all the way up to 200 (maximum proof--pure alcohol).

Those are the three main killers:

adulteration
contamination
over-dose.

You might also be killed by something biological such as bacteria if you don't exercise due caution and careful hygienic practices. A nice warm vat of home-brewed beer or wine, even infected equipment or raw materials used to distill spirits, might kill you.

I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't get ergotism from grain used to make spirits. IIRC, this is caused by a type of mold that infects grains and which can cause hallucinations and death. It has been proposed as a possible contributor to legends of werewolves, vampires and other monsters because of the bizarre behavior, mental, and physical side-effects, it can cause in people poisoned with it.

In addition to these causes, there are certain vegetable materials which could be used to make alcohol which are toxic unless carefully processed. Few of them would be available in the developed world, but native peoples in South America, Africa and Asia might well use raw materials that create deadly cyanide compounds or worse.

Conclusion: home made is not always better.


Your whole post is pretty much crazy talk.

People aren't adding wood alcohol to their home made liquor - it's naturally made by the yeast during fermentation.  Most of the heads being thrown out consists of wood alcohol.  People die because they mess up the distillation process and wind up with too much methanol in the finished product.
 
2013-05-15 01:51:38 PM
Odds are that this "home brew" was exactly that - simply sugar or drink mix combined with some high power, high attenuation yeast.  I doubt distillation was involved.

And the guy probably compared it to PCP because it makes the natives go apeshiat crazy.
 
2013-05-15 01:54:03 PM

HeartBurnKid: Jon iz teh kewl: what's the crack cocaine of alcohol? Midori?



That, or


I always thought it was Sisco. Back when I was in high school the urban legend was that it would make you hallucinate and could cause you to stroke out.
 
2013-05-15 01:56:40 PM
Personally I prefer ole EdWort's made with Pasteur Champagne yeast as opposed to that smelly old Montrachet.
 
2013-05-15 02:10:32 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The highest I ever got a homebrew is 14%. If you die from drinking 14% homebrew you are trying to die.

Me thinks distilling is involved.


There are some yeast strains they claim can get up to 20%, and if you start freeze-distilling you might get it up to 30-35%.  More likely it's moonshine (sugarjack sounds like): sugar, water and yeast.  Nasty stuff but gets you drunk.
 
2013-05-15 02:13:36 PM

syberpud: There are some yeast strains they claim can get up to 20%, and if you start freeze-distilling you might get it up to 30-35%. More likely it's moonshine (sugarjack sounds like): sugar, water and yeast. Nasty stuff but gets you drunk.


Isnt that basically rum, I mean when its distilled?
 
2013-05-15 02:17:53 PM

orclover: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And now for a little brewing porn

[img706.imageshack.us image 478x640]

There is two of my apple wines...

How the hell do you get apple juice cheaply and not have it be "blended" crap that is 90% grape juice?  I am in Texas, not alot of apple orchards.  I tried concentrated apple juice and what I got was.....well...bad.  Got 4 gallons of it hidden around the house that i'm afraid to ever open again.  I even tried freeze distilling it and after a few weeks I ended up with the most sour slushy in history.

Watsur sekret?


You can buy preservative-free 100% apple juice at Costco. 6 gal for like 5 bucks.
 
2013-05-15 02:19:03 PM
Having received the entirety of my distillation knowledge from "moonshiners" I'm going to ask anyway, are you not supposed to dispose of the first bit of the run because it's poisonous or something? Also, how do you know when it has changed from poison to sweet, sweet shine?

/I know this isn't what killed her but I bet it adds to that nice round 60% death toll
 
2013-05-15 02:19:16 PM
i483.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-15 02:29:36 PM

The Homer Tax: orclover: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And now for a little brewing porn

[img706.imageshack.us image 478x640]

There is two of my apple wines...

How the hell do you get apple juice cheaply and not have it be "blended" crap that is 90% grape juice?  I am in Texas, not alot of apple orchards.  I tried concentrated apple juice and what I got was.....well...bad.  Got 4 gallons of it hidden around the house that i'm afraid to ever open again.  I even tried freeze distilling it and after a few weeks I ended up with the most sour slushy in history.

Watsur sekret?

You can buy preservative-free 100% apple juice at Costco. 6 gal for like 5 bucks.


Not around here you cant.  100% juice blend.  Tried 5 different brands of stores in the area.  Two actually sold pure apple juice by the 1/2 gallon and gallon.  Whole Foods was selling at about $13 a gallon.  Centeral market had cider at about $8 a gallon in a glass jug which was the cheapest.  I wanted to "make cider", not buy cider.  Pretty depressing.
 
2013-05-15 03:28:28 PM

rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize. That can lead to accidental death. Just like not knowing the strength of street drugs can lead to accidental overdose.


A hygrometer is $5 from Midwest Supplies and tells you your alcohol content. They even make fancy-boots $60 digital ones a homebrewer might get for her birthday from a concerned Grandma who worries she might not realize how strong her latest IPA is or a supportive Nana who is dearly hoping for an 11%+ ABV bourbon-casked winter lager to serve at the Christmas party, as the case may be. (I come from a family of Irish-German barmaids and alewives.)

Not knowing your ABV is like bringing your restored classic car to a show and not knowing the engine displacement. A high ABV is something to brag about, so any 'brewer with any sense of community or pride would take special pains to know, not just for the street cred, but also to gauge whether successive batches were improving at all. This isn't just a case of some lady pulling a Hendrix with iffy beer or, more likely, moonshine, but the authorities not caring to tell the difference between sketchy homebrewers just in it for booze n' lulz and proud adherents to one of humanity's most time-honored traditions.

In related news, looks like I can be a beer-snob about any-effing-thing...
 
2013-05-15 03:31:20 PM
Actually, in response to brantgoose's post above (on mobile, don't want to quote a wall-o-text), unless you're in a lab with access to a bunch of high-tech stuff, it's impossible to distill ethanol past 190 proof. Has to do with the boiling point of pure ethanol actually being a little higher than 95% ethanol and 5% water.

And home-distilled hooch is not nearly as dangerous as people would lead you to believe. It would be really simple to make, allegedly. Age it with some wood chips to absorb the fusel oils, and you should be good to go. In theory.
 
2013-05-15 03:33:13 PM
Well obviously, they should arrest everyone and put them in jail for eleventy-bajillion years. It would be immoral to legalize it, so let's just throw money at it by hiring a bunch of cops who have a vested interest in perpetually chasing shadows and ruining lives over so.etching that the rest of the entire world uses on a regular basis.... fark, I need a drink.
 
2013-05-15 03:35:03 PM
i.qkme.me

/Got nothing
 
2013-05-15 03:42:05 PM

Evil Mackerel: PCP make you piss like a race horse? Good to know.


It will likely have the opposite effect if you took enough to heavily trip. Most dissociatives with long-lasting effects will make it difficult for you to urinate under high dosages. Not impossible, but you may have to focus heavily and it may take up to 15-30 minutes just to take a leak.
 
2013-05-15 03:47:20 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: Having received the entirety of my distillation knowledge from "moonshiners" I'm going to ask anyway, are you not supposed to dispose of the first bit of the run because it's poisonous or something? Also, how do you know when it has changed from poison to sweet, sweet shine?

/I know this isn't what killed her but I bet it adds to that nice round 60% death toll


You're going to have a bit more methanol in the "forelegs", or the opening salvo of the run. It depends on your mash (the liquid you're distilling) as to what the quantity's going to be.

A lot depends on your distillation method, as well. Using a still will minimize fusel oil (bad alcohol), and a reflux still will eliminate them almost entirely. Freeze-distillation will remove none of them.

The antidote for methanol poisoning is ethanol.

Assuming clean fermentation and distillation procedures were followed, home-distilled liquor should be safe.

There's a distinct difference in the aroma of the forelegs and middle of the run, which is when the distiller knows to start collecting.

All the above information is solely gleaned from reading.
 
2013-05-15 04:20:08 PM
I have a question. In the article, where was distillation mentioned?

Not to categorize the native Alaskan population but they are making toilet hooch in buckets and plastic milk jugs. Just like my good ol' college mead days.

They're not running distillers. As poor as these people are, I seriously doubt anyone is running an 8"-5 stage column. And, if they were, you can bet the death rates would skyrocket. More from vapor detonation, than alcohol poisoning..well, errr maybe.

For a dangerous drunk, all you need is water, a few pounds of sugar and some turbo yeast. A heating tape, a bucket with airlock and 4 days. The woman got hammered and aspirated her stomach contents. People have done that with beer.
 
2013-05-15 04:22:57 PM
I forgot to mention, as someone already has, that sanitation is important. Sure you can get a massive case of the runs, but that is typicially non-fatal. Usually, contamination either kills the ferment or results in off-flavors. much like Red, White & Blue lager.
 
2013-05-15 04:30:29 PM

fappomatic: For a dangerous drunk, all you need is water, a few pounds of sugar and some turbo yeast. A heating tape, a bucket with airlock and 4 days.


Actually, most turbo yeasts advise against an airlock- or even too tight a seal, for that matter. CO2's heavier than air, and should provide an appropriate barrier on top of the sugar wine. The massive amounts of gas excreted by the turbo yeasts nomming on sugar would be risky in a tightly sealed container.

Allegedly.
 
2013-05-15 04:36:41 PM

orclover: D135: so I should re-think my plans for a copper still then?

/luckly I have the crack-cocaine of MJ at my disposal
//would be nice to mix the PCP of Alcohol with
///does anyone have the mdma of shrooms on hand?

I have always thought about getting a license so I can grow mescalin. The peyote of cacti.  wait....


Good news! The San Pedro cactus contains mescaline and is legal in most areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pedro_cactus
 
2013-05-15 05:21:29 PM

Skyd1v: robbiex0r: The Stealth Hippopotamus: The highest I ever got a homebrew is 14%. If you die from drinking 14% homebrew you are trying to die.

Me thinks distilling is involved.

Turbo yeasts will get you up to 20%... but it won't taste very good.

Out in the villages the usual method is to use Kool-Ade, sugar, water, and normal baking yeast.  Normally this is allowed to ferment in a 5 gallon bucket kept near the Monitor or wood stove until it's ready to drink.  Not sure what the alcohol levels get to, but when you drink a LOT of it, it still reaches the desired effect.

I have heard of some over-achievers using freeze-distillation to increase the alcohol levels though.

Fun trivia fact:  Most of the dry villages in Alaska keep the yeast and Kool-Ade behind the counter with the cold medicines.  They actually make people sign for it so they know who is buying yeast.  But since the postal service has no issue with delivering yeast and packets of fruit-flavored drink mix, it's kind of a stop-gap solution at best.


I've heard this too, but I'm not entirely sure what the attenuation levels of bread yeast would be. I don't think you'd squeeze more than 8-10% out of it. Freeze distilling could easily get you up to 30% from there, though.
 
2013-05-15 05:24:51 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize. That can lead to accidental death. Just like not knowing the strength of street drugs can lead to accidental overdose.

A hygrometerhydrometer is $5 from Midwest Supplies and tells you your alcohol content. They even make fancy-boots $60 digital ones a homebrewer might get for her birthday from a concerned Grandma who worries she might not realize how strong her latest IPA is or a supportive Nana who is dearly hoping for an 11%+ ABV bourbon-casked winter lager to serve at the Christmas party, as the case may be. (I come from a family of Irish-German barmaids and alewives.)

Not knowing your ABV is like bringing your restored classic car to a show and not knowing the engine displacement. A high ABV is something to brag about, so any 'brewer with any sense of community or pride would take special pains to know, not just for the street cred, but also to gauge whether successive batches were improving at all. This isn't just a case of some lady pulling a Hendrix with iffy beer or, more likely, moonshine, but the authorities not caring to tell the difference between sketchy homebrewers just in it for booze n' lulz and proud adherents to one of humanity's most time-honored traditions.

In related news, looks like I can be a beer-snob about any-effing-thing...


ftfy, unless you want to know the humidity of your beer
 
2013-05-15 05:53:34 PM

orclover: How the hell do you get apple juice cheaply and not have it be "blended" crap that is 90% grape juice? I am in Texas, not alot of apple orchards. I tried concentrated apple juice and what I got was.....well...bad. Got 4 gallons of it hidden around the house that i'm afraid to ever open again. I even tried freeze distilling it and after a few weeks I ended up with the most sour slushy in history.

Watsur sekret?


I bought 60 pounds of gala apples and got to pressing. Yeah I roll like that.

Then just for giggles I make a batch using Simply Apple. 3 years later the only way you can tell the difference is reading the label!!

So 200 bucks (not counting cost of press) or a little under 30 bucks and no back pain.....

I think the quality comes from the honey used.
 
2013-05-15 06:02:59 PM

brantgoose: Got lead?

Home distilled alcohol will kill you if you add something stupid to it to give it more kick or "smooth" out the flavour. Wood alcohol is a good example. It's poison. Antifreeze is another common additive to home made wines and spirits. Even Bart Simpson had the sense to know that was wrong.

If there are no contaminants (lead and other toxins from the equipment used to distill the alcohol, contaminants from the bottles or jugs used to store it or from recycled barrels that contained something highly toxic before being turned into a still), then the high alcohol content alone might do the job. Moonshine is often very high proof, ranging all the way up to 200 (maximum proof--pure alcohol).

Those are the three main killers:

adulteration
contamination
over-dose.

You might also be killed by something biological such as bacteria if you don't exercise due caution and careful hygienic practices. A nice warm vat of home-brewed beer or wine, even infected equipment or raw materials used to distill spirits, might kill you.

I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't get ergotism from grain used to make spirits. IIRC, this is caused by a type of mold that infects grains and which can cause hallucinations and death. It has been proposed as a possible contributor to legends of werewolves, vampires and other monsters because of the bizarre behavior, mental, and physical side-effects, it can cause in people poisoned with it.

In addition to these causes, there are certain vegetable materials which could be used to make alcohol which are toxic unless carefully processed. Few of them would be available in the developed world, but native peoples in South America, Africa and Asia might well use raw materials that create deadly cyanide compounds or worse.

Conclusion: home made is not always better.


Haha.  You were trying too hard, but I'll give ya a 6/10.
 
2013-05-15 06:10:33 PM
Many Lower Yukon River villages outlaw alcohol but have long struggled with homebrew abuse

You mean that people will seek out alternatives when something is outlawed? Crazy world.
 
2013-05-15 06:59:04 PM

robbiex0r: ftfy, unless you want to know the humidity of your beer


My bad. I always confuse those two. They both start and end so similarly.

Same problem with 'enthusiastically' and 'ecclesiastically,' which put a mercifully swift end to my supermarket-romance-novel career in tenth grade.
 
2013-05-15 07:04:17 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: Not knowing your ABV is like bringing your restored classic car to a show and not knowing the engine displacement. A high ABV is something to brag about, so any 'brewer with any sense of community or pride would take special pains to know, not just for the street cred, but also to gauge whether successive batches were improving at all.


Nope. I don't give a shat about the ABV. Well, very little anyway.

I brew it up. If it tastes great - great.

ABV is just about getting drunk. I go to the store for that.
 
2013-05-15 08:07:38 PM

impaler: Nope. I don't give a shat about the ABV. Well, very little anyway.

I brew it up. If it tastes great - great.

ABV is just about getting drunk. I go to the store for that.


For my first few batches I was obsessed with before and after gravity readings.  Now I don't really care.  I keg, so bottle bombs are not a worry.  If people want to know the ABV I'll just make something up that sounds about right.

And for Robbiex0r - high ABV isn't really something to brag about unless you're trying to make rocket fuel or you're marketing to newly minted beer snobs (e.g. Dogfish Head 120 minute)
 
2013-05-15 09:13:07 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: rwfan: While the comparison is not a great one I think most of you are missing the point. What the officer is trying to say is the drinkers don't know the alcohol content of what they are drinking so sometimes they drink more alcohol than they realize. That can lead to accidental death. Just like not knowing the strength of street drugs can lead to accidental overdose.

A hygrometer is $5 from Midwest Supplies and tells you your alcohol content.


It's a hydrometer and thanks but I already have one.  The person described in the article was not ordering supplies from Midwest, was not brewing beer and sure as hell was not going to spend extra money on a hydrometer.

Cheers [raises a delicious snakebite of pale ale and apfelwein]
hope I don't fall asleep before the Wings Blackhawks game is over
 
2013-05-16 12:28:36 AM

rwfan: A hygrometer is $5 from Midwest Supplies and tells you your alcohol content.

It's a hydrometer and thanks but I already have one. The person described in the article was not ordering supplies from Midwest, was not brewing beer and sure as hell was not going to spend extra money on a hydrometer.


Are we talking about Midwest Supplies in Minneapolis? With them and Northern Brewer, is MSP the home brew supply capital of the US?
 
2013-05-16 12:38:38 AM

brantgoose: Conclusion: home made is not always better.


There's these things called instructions. When correctly followed, home brewing is about as dangerous as home canning, probably less so. MOST of us do just that...
 
2013-05-16 01:01:58 AM
While perhaps not the cause here; given the location, it is important to note that freeze distillation does not allow a ready method to separate and remove fusel alcohols. Bad medicine....
 
2013-05-16 01:34:27 AM
Alcohol is a toxin that will kill you at high concentrations.  News at 7.
 
2013-05-16 01:50:41 AM

ladyfortuna: brantgoose: Conclusion: home made is not always better.

There's these things called instructions. When correctly followed, home brewing is about as dangerous as home canning, probably less so. MOST of us do just that...


Not "probably," definitely. Homebrew can't get botulism, canning can.
 
2013-05-16 10:31:26 AM

impaler: SpiderQueenDemon: Not knowing your ABV is like bringing your restored classic car to a show and not knowing the engine displacement. A high ABV is something to brag about, so any 'brewer with any sense of community or pride would take special pains to know, not just for the street cred, but also to gauge whether successive batches were improving at all.

Nope. I don't give a shat about the ABV. Well, very little anyway.

I brew it up. If it tastes great - great.

ABV is just about getting drunk. I go to the store for that.


Collecting gravity is beneficial for brewing because it's more data, and like all processes, you can use that to improve.  For one, you can determine your efficiency, which can/will lead to better process, less malt, etc.  Measuring gravity doesn't mean you are trying to chase that ABV up.  A good brewer wants to know the gravity whether s/he is making a mild 3.5% beer or a 13% Belgian Quad.  It will also lead to predictability if you keep halfway decent records.  In time, there will be no more wondering "how's this batch going to turn out?"  I realize everybody wants to do it their way, which is part of the reason to homebrew in the first place, I just thought I'd point out that aspiring for high ABV is by far not the only reason people measure gravity.
 
2013-05-16 10:33:58 AM

ladyfortuna: brantgoose: Conclusion: home made is not always better.

There's these things called instructions. When correctly followed, home brewing is about as dangerous as home canning, probably less so. MOST of us do just that...


He was trolling.  99.99% of what he said was false.  No one can get seriously ill or die from any organism in beer.  There are zero known pathogens that can survive in beer/wort.  He was also dead wrong about a lot of things he said about distilling.
 
2013-05-16 04:03:31 PM
To be fair, my buddies jalapeno liqour did have me seeing things.
Mostly round porcelain things.
 
2013-05-16 04:08:27 PM

IsSteelGeek: To be fair, my buddies jalapeno liqour did have me seeing things.
Mostly round porcelain things.


No tortoises or foxes I hope.
 
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