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2013-05-14 08:01:57 PM
fark you NBC for not picking up Mulaney's show.
 
2013-05-14 08:09:08 PM
I only know about movie studio suits. Which means TV studio suits must be even more stupid.
 
2013-05-14 08:12:33 PM
Every time I start liking a show, they pull it and put on some new reality shoe.

/kind of liked Go On and The New Normal
//kiss of death
 
2013-05-14 08:16:01 PM

basemetal: Every time I start liking a show, they pull it and put on some new reality shoe.

/kind of liked Go On and The New Normal
//kiss of death


Studios show they have no sole when my favorite shoe gets the boot.
 
2013-05-14 08:16:37 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: basemetal: Every time I start liking a show, they pull it and put on some new reality shoe.

/kind of liked Go On and The New Normal
//kiss of death

Studios show they have no sole when my favorite shoe gets the boot.


Heh!
 
2013-05-14 08:18:07 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: basemetal: Every time I start liking a show, they pull it and put on some new reality shoe.

/kind of liked Go On and The New Normal
//kiss of death

Studios show they have no sole when my favorite shoe gets the boot.



*snert*
 
2013-05-14 08:22:13 PM
Somebody needs to invoke Star Trek in this thread, so I'll volunteer...

(*cue music*)

Almost 50 years ago, NBC rejected the original pilot for Star Trek because they said it was "too cerebral" for the television audience. They also said they didn't like "the Spock character" because he was "too Satanic."

Yes... this is the same Star Trek that has spawned several TV series, God knows how many novels, short stories, conventions, comic books and merchandising campaigns, and now has its 12th movie coming out this Friday. And there are two Spocks in the goddamned thing!

Gotta love the foresight of network execs. Thank God Roddenberry was persistent and able to get a second pilot ordered.
 
2013-05-14 08:23:38 PM
Hey now, Canadians can do a good show.

/misses "corner gas".
 
2013-05-14 08:36:01 PM

Ambivalence: Hey now, Canadians can do a good show.


Sh*t. I think most of the shows I watch these days were produced in Canada.
 
2013-05-14 08:43:28 PM
I've watched a few of the pilot previews.   Despite basically giving away the entire first 2-3 hours of the beginning of the series it seemed like, I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

"Dracula" seems like a pretty basic attempt at trying to cash in on the vampire trend by going "old school with a new look"... looks interesting, but, everyone might be vampired out by now.

Agents of SHIELD comes right in and brings back Colson, we'll see what they can do from there.
 
2013-05-14 08:44:36 PM

dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.


It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.
 
2013-05-14 08:46:56 PM

DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.



Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.
 
2013-05-14 08:49:31 PM

Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.


The only show ,on any network, which seems somewhat interesting to me is Resurrection on ABC, but I just can't see how they can sustain the premise. S.H.I.E.L.D seems ok, but itll depend how they handle it and how involved Whedon is.
 
2013-05-14 08:51:44 PM
You know what  doesn't look too Canadian?

Linking to the actual slideshow. And then Desliding that bad boy.

-1
 
2013-05-14 08:53:16 PM

DamnYankees: The only show ,on any network, which seems somewhat interesting to me is Resurrection on ABC, but I just can't see how they can sustain the premise


This.

And yes, there's already "Hannibal" and it's awesome, "The Blacklist" trailer just bored me.
 
2013-05-14 08:55:15 PM

DamnYankees: Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.

The only show ,on any network, which seems somewhat interesting to me is Resurrection on ABC, but I just can't see how they can sustain the premise. S.H.I.E.L.D seems ok, but itll depend how they handle it and how involved Whedon is.


Haven't seen any ads for Resurrection, but I'm cautiously optimistic about S.H.I.E.L.D.
 
2013-05-14 09:03:33 PM

Apos: Haven't seen any ads for Resurrection, but I'm cautiously optimistic about S.H.I.E.L.D.


Youtube it. Stars Mike Tomlin and that guy from the one good episode of Voyager.
 
2013-05-14 09:07:15 PM

DamnYankees: Apos: Haven't seen any ads for Resurrection, but I'm cautiously optimistic about S.H.I.E.L.D.

Youtube it. Stars Mike Tomlin and that guy from the one good episode of Voyager.



Heh....Will do.
 
2013-05-14 09:08:49 PM
Simpsons spin off - The Funzo Hour

FSB - Reality/documentary show following alcoholic corrupt Russian secret police.

The Doorbells - sit com about a family of tiny people who inhabit doorbells and make the chimes and rings when the doorbell button is pushed.

Mr. Six Fingers - sit com about an OED guy who isn't very good at his job. Recurring gag involving guest stars all dying in explosions.

What's Still Happnin!? - remake of the remake of the original starring Eddie Murphy in a fat suit as Rerun.

Currently Untitled Animated Thing That We'll Put On After Simpsons - Content tbd. See if the guy from Ren and Stimpy is still alive.

Rancid - reality show about a family who eat a 21st century diet but who believe refrigeration is evil and satanic.

12:30 talk show starring whoever quits SNL this season and isn't under lifetime contract to Lorne Michaels

/hoping to retain full creative control plus 2 points on gross
 
2013-05-14 09:10:28 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: 12:30 talk show starring whoever quits SNL this season and isn't under lifetime contract to Lorne Michaels


I assume you are referring to Jimmy Fallon's slot here once he takes over the Tonight Show.   I've heard it is pretty likely going to be Seth Myers, which plays into what you said, but, it isn't really "whoever".
 
2013-05-14 09:11:18 PM

dletter: Bill_Wick's_Friend: 12:30 talk show starring whoever quits SNL this season and isn't under lifetime contract to Lorne Michaels

I assume you are referring to Jimmy Fallon's slot here once he takes over the Tonight Show.   I've heard it is pretty likely going to be Seth Myers, which plays into what you said, but, it isn't really "whoever".


I didn't see this, but, actually, it is official...  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/business/media/seth-meyers-to-succee d-fallon-on-late-night.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/b usiness/media/seth-meyers-to-succee d-fallon-on-late-night.html?_r=0
 
2013-05-14 09:23:59 PM

Mugato: I only know about movie studio suits. Which means TV studio suits must be even more stupid.


Orders of magnitude more
 
2013-05-14 09:24:23 PM
This one time I got all drunk and took a girl home from the bar... she took off her bra and I was all "those look Canadian"
 
2013-05-14 09:32:50 PM
...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-05-14 09:34:53 PM

Mad_Radhu: ...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

[pbs.twimg.com image 675x675]



This show is ten kinds of awesome. I look forward to it more than Doctor Who now.
 
2013-05-14 09:34:56 PM

Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.


There is a 3-4 minute one out there that gives much more depth.... as I said, honestly I feel like I've already watched the first 2 hours of the show really, it lays it out that much.  But, I guess they essentially want to give you the concept and hope that holds you enough to be interested.
 
2013-05-14 09:37:55 PM

dletter: Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.

There is a 3-4 minute one out there that gives much more depth.... as I said, honestly I feel like I've already watched the first 2 hours of the show really, it lays it out that much.  But, I guess they essentially want to give you the concept and hope that holds you enough to be interested.


And I'll bet that the Silence Of The Lambs vibe just got stronger, right?
 
2013-05-14 09:39:24 PM

Apos: dletter: Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.

There is a 3-4 minute one out there that gives much more depth.... as I said, honestly I feel like I've already watched the first 2 hours of the show really, it lays it out that much.  But, I guess they essentially want to give you the concept and hope that holds you enough to be interested.

And I'll bet that the Silence Of The Lambs vibe just got stronger, right?


It does indeed. It's even the same formula, gender/age-wise.
 
2013-05-14 09:40:27 PM

DamnYankees: Apos: dletter: Apos: DamnYankees: dletter: I like James Spader and "The Blacklist" looks pretty good if the writers can keep his snarkiness fresh enough along with the weekly plots to catch new criminals.

It's a procedural which is basically identical to Hannibal. I just can't get excited for it.


Agreed.....The 30 second teaser all but confirmed that. Spader deserves better.

There is a 3-4 minute one out there that gives much more depth.... as I said, honestly I feel like I've already watched the first 2 hours of the show really, it lays it out that much.  But, I guess they essentially want to give you the concept and hope that holds you enough to be interested.

And I'll bet that the Silence Of The Lambs vibe just got stronger, right?

It does indeed. It's even the same formula, gender/age-wise.


That settles it, then..... Definite pass.
 
2013-05-14 09:42:48 PM

Apos: That settles it, then..... Definite pass.


I don't even know what could get me to watch a procedural at this point. Why invest the time when there's so little to get out of it?
 
2013-05-14 09:50:40 PM

Mad_Radhu: ...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

[pbs.twimg.com image 675x675]


That show is awesome.

What show is REALLY awesome?

img832.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-14 09:52:33 PM

robsul82: Mad_Radhu: ...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

[pbs.twimg.com image 675x675]

That show is awesome.

What show is REALLY awesome?


Looks good. I'll have to check it out!
 
2013-05-14 09:53:02 PM

robsul82: What show is REALLY awesome?


I will watch anything with Abigail Spencer, who I'm shocked isn't a huge star. I'm waiting for the season to be complete before I dive into this one though.
 
2013-05-14 09:53:13 PM

DamnYankees: Apos: That settles it, then..... Definite pass.

I don't even know what could get me to watch a procedural at this point. Why invest the time when there's so little to get out of it?


If you mean the odds are under 50% that it will even last more than a season, that is true.... Blacklist is getting the post-Voice 10pm slot, so, that will probably give it enough to make it to two seasons like "Smash" got and "Revolution" is getting, although "Smash" crash and burned, and I didn't watch too much of Revolution past parts of the first episode or two, but, I hear that probably will run out of gas as well.
 
2013-05-14 09:54:44 PM

dletter: If you mean the odds are under 50% that it will even last more than a season, that is true


No, I mean that a procedural is inherently shallow and pointless. Even if it lasts 10 seasons, what's the point in spending time with it? I can't think of the last procedural worth watching. Maybe the early seasons of House?
 
2013-05-14 10:01:06 PM

Apos: Mad_Radhu: ...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

[pbs.twimg.com image 675x675]


This show is ten kinds of awesome. I look forward to it more than Doctor Who now.


I was a little disappointed with the last 2 episodes. They're going a little too much into the "weird" realm.
Also I find Max Headroom's character a bit unbelievable. That TED talk or whatever he put on was about as bullshiatty as bullshiat goes, but that phony is some high level mastermind in the conspiracy? It would be like suddenly finding out that Michio Kaku had actually invented something.
 
2013-05-14 10:06:07 PM

DamnYankees: dletter: If you mean the odds are under 50% that it will even last more than a season, that is true

No, I mean that a procedural is inherently shallow and pointless. Even if it lasts 10 seasons, what's the point in spending time with it? I can't think of the last procedural worth watching. Maybe the early seasons of House?


I really liked Life, because it had a great cast headed up by Damian Lewis and a nice overall story arc trying things together. Continuum has also been an interesting hybrid of a time travel story combined with a police procedural, although it is a little low budget and the writing is sometimes a bit dodgy (plus it is definitely too Canadian, since it is one of the few shows where Vancouver is actually Vancouver).
 
2013-05-14 10:40:57 PM

serial_crusher: Apos: Mad_Radhu: ...And that's why the awesomeness that is Toronto-based Orphan Black is on BBC America instead of NBC.

[pbs.twimg.com image 675x675]


This show is ten kinds of awesome. I look forward to it more than Doctor Who now.

I was a little disappointed with the last 2 episodes. They're going a little too much into the "weird" realm.
Also I find Max Headroom's character a bit unbelievable. That TED talk or whatever he put on was about as bullshiatty as bullshiat goes, but that phony is some high level mastermind in the conspiracy? It would be like suddenly finding out that Michio Kaku had actually invented something.


I agree that Matt Frewer's character seems shoehorned in. With any luck, they'll flesh out him out as it progresses.
 
2013-05-14 10:47:48 PM

DamnYankees: fark you NBC for not picking up Mulaney's show.


It feels so damn weird to me that someone I went to high school with is now a surprisingly popular comedian.

Then again, at least he's a better celebrity to have as an alum than one of Charlie Sheen's angels.
 
2013-05-14 10:50:49 PM
"it looks Canadian"

lolsnaps.com
 
2013-05-14 11:06:43 PM
I'm still holding out for Honk Bag.
/that was a glorious thread
 
2013-05-14 11:10:20 PM
Everything I know about Canada I learned from these guys:
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-14 11:10:21 PM

Fark Me To Tears: Somebody needs to invoke Star Trek in this thread, so I'll volunteer...

(*cue music*)

Almost 50 years ago, NBC rejected the original pilot for Star Trek because they said it was "too cerebral" for the television audience. They also said they didn't like "the Spock character" because he was "too Satanic."

Yes... this is the same Star Trek that has spawned several TV series, God knows how many novels, short stories, conventions, comic books and merchandising campaigns, and now has its 12th movie coming out this Friday. And there are two Spocks in the goddamned thing!

Gotta love the foresight of network execs. Thank God Roddenberry was persistent and able to get a second pilot ordered.


"The Cage" was terrible.  I don't know if that's an unpopular opinion, but it is.  NBC recognized this, blamed themselves for shooting the wrong script, and ordered a second pilot shot.  The only character (and actor) carried over from the original pilot was Spock (and Nimoy), so I'm not sure what the "too Satanic" thing was about.  Were it not for NBC scrapping "The Cage" we wouldn't have gotten any of the TOS actors we ended up getting.

And it's not like TOS had great ratings.  They were decent enough to keep it around for three years but never amazing and the first movie wasn't released until ten years after the show was canceled.  Sure, Star Trek became a phenomenon, but it's not like NBC's original decision to scrap "The Cage" was bad.
 
2013-05-14 11:12:36 PM

rugman11: The only character (and actor) carried over from the original pilot was Spock (and Nimoy), so I'm not sure what the "too Satanic" thing was about.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-05-14 11:14:50 PM

DamnYankees: dletter: If you mean the odds are under 50% that it will even last more than a season, that is true

No, I mean that a procedural is inherently shallow and pointless. Even if it lasts 10 seasons, what's the point in spending time with it? I can't think of the last procedural worth watching. Maybe the early seasons of House?


I think procedurals are like your standard sitcoms: You watch them because you enjoy spending time with those characters.  I don't watch a bunch of procedurals, but off the top of my head I like Person of Interest and Castle.  Bones is pretty good too.  They're not super-serialized, but if you enjoy the characters then the story is just a maguffin that lets you spend more time with them.
 
2013-05-14 11:19:41 PM
Almost everything I like these days isn't on one of the Big Four, it's on a cable network like TNT, AMC, FX, etc. I've wondered if that's because the over-the-air nets have to toe the FCC line regarding edgy content, or if it's because the OTAs have too many strata of "executives" who have to justify their jobs by pissing into things that shouldn't be pissed into.
 
2013-05-14 11:20:38 PM

rugman11: I don't watch a bunch of procedurals, but off the top of my head I like Person of Interest and Castle.


I've heard a lot of good things about Person of Interest, but I haven't gotten into it yet. Apparently, there is a big sic-fi element dealing with an artificial intelligence. Castle is just way more fun than it should be because Nathan Fillion brings such energy and fun to the lead role. It takes what is a pretty ordinary New York cop show and makes it watchable.
 
2013-05-14 11:40:15 PM

rugman11: Fark Me To Tears: Somebody needs to invoke Star Trek in this thread, so I'll volunteer...

(*cue music*)

Almost 50 years ago, NBC rejected the original pilot for Star Trek because they said it was "too cerebral" for the television audience. They also said they didn't like "the Spock character" because he was "too Satanic."

Yes... this is the same Star Trek that has spawned several TV series, God knows how many novels, short stories, conventions, comic books and merchandising campaigns, and now has its 12th movie coming out this Friday. And there are two Spocks in the goddamned thing!

Gotta love the foresight of network execs. Thank God Roddenberry was persistent and able to get a second pilot ordered.

"The Cage" was terrible.  I don't know if that's an unpopular opinion, but it is.  NBC recognized this, blamed themselves for shooting the wrong script, and ordered a second pilot shot.  The only character (and actor) carried over from the original pilot was Spock (and Nimoy), so I'm not sure what the "too Satanic" thing was about.  Were it not for NBC scrapping "The Cage" we wouldn't have gotten any of the TOS actors we ended up getting.

And it's not like TOS had great ratings.  They were decent enough to keep it around for three years but never amazing and the first movie wasn't released until ten years after the show was canceled.  Sure, Star Trek became a phenomenon, but it's not like NBC's original decision to scrap "The Cage" was bad.


Well, you have to understand the time and place. "The Cage" has not aged well; but at the time, and compared to what passed for "sci-fi" on TV in 1960, it was nothing short of groundbreaking, astonishing, breathtaking and daring for anyone to even try. People seeing it at the time were all like "Where's the robot? Where's the kid? Why is this so serious and why are the women being treated like they have brains?" It was more like a science-fiction MOVIE, at a time when TV sci-fi was slanted towards kiddie movie serials.

And too, a lot of the real facts have been eclipsed by the Star Trek Mythos. It wasn't that Spock was "too Satanic"; apparently some NBC exec thought the makeup was "too Satanic-looking"--it was a random comment at the time, was evidently never a big deal; but got woven into they Mythos because it sounds so neat. (OMG, they were going to take away Spock's ears!!!) The "second pilot" thing, too, was partially done because "The Cage" was shot quite a bit earlier, and some of the other actors would not have been available, or were not interested; so the whole concept was reworked when "Where No Man..." was shot to make Pike no longer captain.

But "Star Trek" was not unpopular when it was on--it's just that TV programming was so different in the 60's. Three years was a good run back then when dinosaurs walked the earth and a "season" was actually 20-some episodes. But the TV audience wasn't ready for serious SF yet--they still wanted robots and smart-ass kids (cf. Buck Rogers and the first iteration of Battlestar Ponderosa).
 
2013-05-14 11:42:41 PM

Outshined_One: DamnYankees: fark you NBC for not picking up Mulaney's show.

It feels so damn weird to me that someone I went to high school with is now a surprisingly popular comedian.

Then again, at least he's a better celebrity to have as an alum than one of Charlie Sheen's angels.


I know exactly what you mean.  Going to highschool with Lena Dunham and then seeing her everywhere is pretty strange.
 
2013-05-14 11:47:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: (OMG, they were going to take away Spock's ears!!!)


They airbrushed his ears out of early advertisements.  Or maybe it was his eyebrows, I don't remember.  I have it in a book in a box somewhere.
 
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