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2013-05-14 06:03:27 PM  
Maybe they can get them to stop driving on the wrong side of the road as well.
 
2013-05-14 06:15:08 PM  
That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.
 
2013-05-14 06:35:25 PM  
How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high...  Just seems like common sense...
 
2013-05-14 07:14:37 PM  

Honest Bender: How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high...  Just seems like common sense...


There are rules, people just load their trucks over the rim of the trailer (like the truck in the video) etc
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 07:22:39 PM  
How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high... Just seems like common sense...

In America we have a standard big truck height, 14 feet. Overpasses are supposed to have 14 feet 6 inches clearance when new, or 16 feet on the Interstate system. (The six inches allows room to add a new layer of pavement.) Many bridges are older than the uniform height rules.
 
2013-05-15 04:11:27 AM  

doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.


Then they knock off the poles into cars and sometimes it kills people.
 
2013-05-15 09:44:34 AM  

ZAZ: How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high... Just seems like common sense...

In America we have a standard big truck height, 14 feet. Overpasses are supposed to have 14 feet 6 inches clearance when new, or 16 feet on the Interstate system. (The six inches allows room to add a new layer of pavement.) Many bridges are older than the uniform height rules.


Simple solution. Just ban big rigs, make companies deliver their goods by rail. Rail companies will prosper, traffic congestion will ease in urban centers. Win/win for everyone
 
2013-05-15 10:02:12 AM  

DON.MAC: doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.

Then they knock off the poles into cars and sometimes it kills people.


Obvious solution:  Put up fricken lasers to cut the excess tops off the trucks before they get to the overpass.
 
2013-05-15 10:13:40 AM  

doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.


Did you see the glaring, flashing, animated signs that the truckers were ignoring?  I'm thinking that they'd fail to notice spinning blades, much less poles!

I like that someone creative has found an employment niche by sparing the rest of us from the ill effects of stupid people and their blithe wandering through life.
 
2013-05-15 10:14:03 AM  
I remember the time a friend of mine rented a semi to move a bunch of paintings (basically an artists life work that we were moving from his old studio in New Jersey to NYC) and ended up on the FDR.  For a second I thought we were really popular with all the cars frantically waving at us.

Then I saw the first NO TRUCKS sign.  I can tell you driving a semi truck that you just spent ten hours filling and realizing you are approaching an underpass that you won't fit under is not the most soothing way to spend a weekend.  That's when I decided if I made it out alive I would retire from the freelance art-moving business.

That's my only truck and underpass story, what can I say. Thankfully we were able to get off the FDR before we destroyed anything but the second we got on the exit we both pledged that this was the last got damned time we were going to do this, regardless of what we were getting paid.
 
2013-05-15 10:29:08 AM  

brap: That's my only truck and underpass story, what can I say. Thankfully we were able to get off the FDR before we destroyed anything but the second we got on the exit we both pledged that this was the last got damned time we were going to do this, regardless of what we were getting paid.


I think that the big trucks (or vehicles, did a school bus for a while) are a lot of fun to drive, but you can't do it like you'd drive a car. You really have to pay attention while driving and you really have to be defensive, or else someone ends up hurt. I would bet that these people who drive into the tunnel do so more because they're coming off a 10-12 hour shift than because they're just completely careless. Careless truck drivers usually don't last very long.
 
2013-05-15 10:31:00 AM  
Why don't they move the water screen 100 yards back?
 
2013-05-15 11:02:16 AM  
 
2013-05-15 11:58:57 AM  
I wonder how many Australian truck drivers has Wile E Coyote killed?
 
2013-05-15 11:59:23 AM  

Cup Check: Simple solution. Just ban big rigs, make companies deliver their goods by rail. Rail companies will prosper, traffic congestion will ease in urban centers. Win/win for everyone


And how do you propose that we move merchandise from the freight yards to the stores?
 
2013-05-15 12:01:47 PM  
STOP, free truck wash.
 
2013-05-15 12:01:55 PM  

EvilEgg: Why don't they move the water screen 100 yards back?

You probably need the darkness of the tunnel to make the projected stop sign very visible.
 
2013-05-15 12:02:12 PM  

Cup Check: Simple solution. Just ban big rigs, make companies deliver their goods by rail. Rail companies will prosper, traffic congestion will ease in urban centers. Win/win for everyone


So how are you going to get your goods from the rail depot to the warehouse, and from the warehouse to where they're needed?
 
2013-05-15 12:07:07 PM  

remus: DON.MAC: doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.

Then they knock off the poles into cars and sometimes it kills people.

Obvious solution:  Put up fricken lasers to cut the excess tops off the trucks before they get to the overpass.


Or sharks in the water sign with friken lazers on their heads.
 
2013-05-15 12:08:20 PM  
Here's a thought

Quit hiring idiots to drive your trucks

/was that hard?
 
2013-05-15 12:10:05 PM  
... much like Subby's mom.
 
2013-05-15 12:12:41 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Here's a thought

Quit hiring idiots to drive your trucks

/was that hard?


Right. You should hire university graduates, because when I think of a degree in CompEng or Masters of Arts the first thing that springs to mind is Truck Driving, hell yah.
 
2013-05-15 12:13:25 PM  
Easy solution.  If you run into an overpass, the trucking company must pay the city for any damages to the overpass.

And you owe anyone stuck behind you in traffic 25 grand for ruining their day.
 
2013-05-15 12:14:15 PM  
Here is Salem we have a number of low bridges that get hit every once in awhile with the lowest having a 9' 8" clearance no real warnings other then signs. Some fool Walmart driver got stuck pretty good a few months back...

media.oregonlive.com
 
2013-05-15 12:17:22 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Cup Check: Simple solution. Just ban big rigs, make companies deliver their goods by rail. Rail companies will prosper, traffic congestion will ease in urban centers. Win/win for everyone

And how do you propose that we move merchandise from the freight yards to the stores?


Easy, just build everything along rail corridors.  They can throw the stuff off the train as they go by.
 
2013-05-15 12:17:54 PM  
That's a pretty damn cool system - safe and smart.  And would be cool for party lights.
 
2013-05-15 12:18:14 PM  
They need this on Storrow Drive in Boston.
 
2013-05-15 12:19:39 PM  

ZAZ: How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high... Just seems like common sense...

In America we have a standard big truck height, 14 feet. Overpasses are supposed to have 14 feet 6 inches clearance when new, or 16 feet on the Interstate system. (The six inches allows room to add a new layer of pavement.) Many bridges are older than the uniform height rules.


That's the height of the truck, not the load though. I've seen plenty of trucks carry a load that rises above the top of the trailer, and they'll hit even a bridge with the proper clearance under it. For structures that can't be protected by placing a reinforced I-beam at the bridge clearance elevation ahead of the bridge itself (so a truck hits the I-beam first), this idea in TFA looks like a great idea.

/as long as you've got lots of water
//and don't have to worry about it freezing
///how does it look in bright sunshine?
 
2013-05-15 12:23:44 PM  
So they call them truckees over.there?
 
2013-05-15 12:25:25 PM  

thisiszombocom: So they call them truckees over.there?


Chazzwozzers.
 
2013-05-15 12:29:47 PM  

thisiszombocom: So they call them truckees over.there?


I've been to Truckee.  Not a very interesting place.
 
2013-05-15 12:36:15 PM  
I thought this was going to be something like the barrels of water. That was far cooler than I expected.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:33 PM  
It does not stop the vehicle, just shows an additional warning that can be ignored. It needs water, electricity, and maintenance- and apart from the higher costs, it also means a lower availability.

Lame and stupid.
 
2013-05-15 01:04:53 PM  
I've seen metal poles sticking out sideways in dayglo yellow green at the warning height. Much lower tech, yes, but it costs a lot less too and the trucker gets stopped cold before he causes the overpass any damage.
 
2013-05-15 01:21:24 PM  

fzumrk: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Cup Check: Simple solution. Just ban big rigs, make companies deliver their goods by rail. Rail companies will prosper, traffic congestion will ease in urban centers. Win/win for everyone

And how do you propose that we move merchandise from the freight yards to the stores?

Easy, just build everything along rail corridors.  They can throw the stuff off the train as they go by.


Come on, think outside the box.  Teleportation, bicycle courier, bucket brigade all don't require building all commercial and residential buildings next to a rail line.
 
2013-05-15 01:31:46 PM  

doosh: I've seen metal poles sticking out sideways in dayglo yellow green at the warning height. Much lower tech, yes, but it costs a lot less too and the trucker gets stopped cold before he causes the overpass any damage.


Did you watch the video?

Lots of flashing overhead signs, bumpers hanging over the lanes, etc.  This is the last-ditch "and this time we mean it" sign.
 
2013-05-15 01:32:03 PM  

DON.MAC: doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.

Then they knock off the poles into cars and sometimes it kills people.


Yep. There's even a video of that happening (minus the killing people, and with "wooden" replaced by "steel") towards the end of the video in TFA.
 
2013-05-15 01:41:38 PM  

Honest Bender: How hard is it to just standardize these hights? Trucks can't be over X feet tall, all overpasses must be at least Y feet high...  Just seems like common sense...


We'd have more success standardizing truck drivers to have an IQ greater than 50.
 
2013-05-15 02:01:33 PM  
I for one, am glad they issued the truckee an infringment.
 
2013-05-15 02:07:15 PM  

doglover: That's a cool piece of tech, but would it kill them to just put up wooden polls at the right height. If your vehicle starts hitting poles, you'll stop.


You'd think so, but I've seen trucks blow right through hanging signs in Boston on Storrow Drive, making a serious racket.

That water-curtain stop sign IS cool.
 
2013-05-15 02:14:13 PM  
Why not use a low-tech solution?

farm4.staticflickr.com

/ Link is hot
 
2013-05-15 02:22:00 PM  
How about an iron spike that drops to driver head level?
 
2013-05-15 02:31:58 PM  
I wonder if a stop sign is the only projection the system can produce.  I think a mirror image of the semi charging at itself would be amusing to watch...and damn right they'd stop.
 
2013-05-15 02:33:00 PM  

turotl: Why not use a low-tech solution?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 500x333]

/ Link is hot


Drivers go through those things all the time. If they're not paying attention to signs at eye-level they're probably not going to notice signs that are overhead, and if the truck is big and/or loud enough they'll never notice the noise or vibration when they hit the sign either.

Throwing a giant STOP sign right in front of them is somewhat harder to ignore.
 
2013-05-15 02:47:43 PM  

traylor: It does not stop the vehicle, just shows an additional warning that can be ignored. It needs water, electricity, and maintenance- and apart from the higher costs, it also means a lower availability.

Lame and stupid.


So ... what's your solution? The whole point of this installation is to *prevent damage* to the tunnel and trucks -- along with end the delays caused by collisions with the tunnel roof. Twenty odd minutes stopping traffic and backing the truck out is a lot quicker, easier, and cheaper than several hours extricating the trailer and repairing the damage. The projection is a last ditch effort to stop a driver that has gone past all the other warning devices: a giant red "Stop" sign materializing in front of you is pretty hard to ignore.
 
2013-05-15 02:51:31 PM  

traylor: It does not stop the vehicle, just shows an additional warning that can be ignored. It needs water, electricity, and maintenance- and apart from the higher costs, it also means a lower availability.

Lame and stupid.


There's something eye-catching about an apparently solid object appearing in front of your vehicle that blinking lights alone can't accomplish.  The only way to make it more obvious would be to make it an actual physical barrier...oh hey, that's what the bridge is!
 
2013-05-15 03:03:16 PM  
As a truck driver these threads always amuse me. Durr hurr moar trains. Nevermind the logistical impossibility of that idea!

BTW I took a 5 month course to become one. But most places train you for a month top.
 
2013-05-15 03:18:45 PM  
We have a huge problem with trucks hitting overpasses in NY, thanks to commercial drivers using non-commercial GPS units that put them on Parkways (where trucks aren't allowed due to low overpasses,)  Trying to Google Map directions to send our boys back upstate after coming down here to work winter storm Nemo was a NIGHTMARE because of the Parkway system (NYSDOT plow trucks are BIG motherfarkers) but their GPS systems would have gotten them all stuck.  Though I sincerely doubt the state has the money to pull this kind of thing off, it's still a pretty farking cool idea.
 
2013-05-15 03:23:36 PM  
The opposite problem is not much better.

boringpittsburgh.com

Squirrel Hill Tunnel construction began in 1946 and opened to traffic on June 5, 1953. The ceiling was constructed 14'-2" above the roadway at its centerline. It was completed three years before the Federal Highway act.

It was built for cars like this:

www.tocmp.com

It's just one of many pieces of post-war infrastructure out there. It's wholly underfunded and in need of work.

It has a number of signs and lights to keep idiots in big rigs from wedging themselves into the tunnel. They do it anyway. Never underestimate an idiot.

I'd love to see the trucks made smaller to fit existing infrastructure and to keep everyone on the road safer. It's certainly cheaper than retrofitting all this infrastructure that's been left to rot since Regan took office.

/This post kind of rambles about.
//Oh well.
 
TWX
2013-05-15 03:25:36 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Here's a thought

Quit hiring idiots to drive your trucks

/was that hard?


Unfortunately yes, that's hard. Too many drivers needed and the job pays too little to hire all non-idiots.
 
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