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(Omaha World Herald)   Two weeks ago, there were a couple of inches of snow on the ground in Omaha. Today, it hit 100º. THANKS, OBAMA   (omaha.com) divider line 180
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2013-05-14 04:39:24 PM
yeah, this is insane.
 
2013-05-14 04:43:50 PM
I guess I'm not mowing today.

Two weeks ago, we did in fact get snow.

Ain't global warming fun?
 
2013-05-14 04:51:53 PM
Last night was the first time since September that I didn't have to turn on the pellet stove. For the last several years, we've been getting our last snowstorms in May, but the summers have been getting hotter, drier, and shorter. The whole Phoenix heat island has permanently affected our climate up here in the mountains. It's all kinds of farked up.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 04:53:18 PM
Weather, how does it work???
 
2013-05-14 04:55:20 PM
Welcome to Nebraska!
 
2013-05-14 05:05:48 PM

mtlls: Welcome to Nebraska!


boy, you said it, chewie.

/or iowa, or minnesota, or illinois...
 
2013-05-14 05:46:10 PM
I think you better turn your ticket in and get your money back at the door.
 
2013-05-14 05:47:22 PM
One more reason to stay out of Obamaha, with it's socialist sharing of heat.

I EARNED that heat, ALL BY MYSELF!  Why should I share it with anyone else?

Also, this clearly means that global climate change is a myth.
 
2013-05-14 06:02:44 PM
We almost had a frost in SE PA last night.  Some of that hundred degrees is mine.
 
2013-05-14 06:07:24 PM
Some dude wrote this same shiat on a cave wall 4 million years ago. Today, scientists corrected his spelling.
 
2013-05-14 06:07:47 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We almost had a frost in SE PA last night.  Some of that hundred degrees is mine.


man, you're welcome to it!
 
2013-05-14 06:11:53 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net

taken 12 days ago. "your springtime headquarters," indeed...
 
2013-05-14 06:21:37 PM
And Minnesota legalized gay marriage. Coincidence?
 
2013-05-14 06:23:04 PM
Why does every local news site think that just because I'm on an iPhone, I want to share my location with them?
 
2013-05-14 06:29:23 PM

serial_crusher: Why does every local news site think that just because I'm on an iPhone, I want to share my location with them?


Just be happy you didn't buy a Facebook phone.
It could be worse.
 
2013-05-14 06:33:02 PM
Really this isn't too bad wait a couple of months till the center pivots out west crank up and the humidity is 90+%
 
2013-05-14 06:39:08 PM

CaptSacto: I think you better turn your ticket in and get your money back at the door.


thegeekydream.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-14 06:53:33 PM

verbaltoxin: Ain't global warming fun?


This was never a problem until Al Gore mentioned it.
 
2013-05-14 07:00:09 PM
2 weeks...that's nothing it's done that here in a two day span......twice this year.
 
2013-05-14 07:02:39 PM
Add Colorado to the list.
 
2013-05-14 07:03:03 PM
ha ha, I did mow today. for the first time this year. and perhaps the last?

i watered the garden at 3 am this morning...when I got back up and went down at noon it was as dry as subby's mom's virginia.

my mushroom spot out in the hills was too dry too. ominous for this time of year.
 
2013-05-14 07:04:08 PM
Nebraska weather. If you don't like it wait five minutes.
 
2013-05-14 07:05:05 PM
Algore is like the new Jack Frost.  When he comes towards you, the temperature drops.  His species is why his home world of Hoth is an ice planet.  It had long been a hot desert world when his kind were deported there from the kingdom of Frigia on Mongo.
 
2013-05-14 07:06:36 PM
That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.
 
2013-05-14 07:08:29 PM

Astorix: Nebraska weather. If you don't like it wait five minutes.


Hey! Stop stealing New England's slogan!

/I'm sure it's applicable to a number of places
 
2013-05-14 07:10:00 PM
Is Omaha a scandal yet?
 
2013-05-14 07:10:12 PM

wage0048: That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.


That's what you get for legalizing the gay marriage.  Just wait for the locust and the frogs.
 
2013-05-14 07:12:36 PM
 
2013-05-14 07:14:31 PM

wage0048: That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.


It looks like winter ended Monday morning, you had 24 hours of spring, and now it's summer.  Just wait until Autumn -- should be there in about a week.
 
2013-05-14 07:14:51 PM
I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.
 
2013-05-14 07:14:59 PM
I'd say it's a safe bet that all the snow has melted.

We were down into the upper 40's last night

/Charleston, SC.
 
2013-05-14 07:15:44 PM

Reverend J: Astorix: Nebraska weather. If you don't like it wait five minutes.

Hey! Stop stealing New England's TEXAS' slogan!

/I'm sure it's applicable to a number of places


FTFY

Also, PFFT.  Huge shifts in temperature over short periods of time is a typical Texas day.
 
2013-05-14 07:15:49 PM
In Northern Missouri we had snow about a week ago and today we hit a record high temperature. I'm told that this past winter was mild compare to usual. The bugs will be epic this summer....as will my utility bill.
 
2013-05-14 07:16:37 PM
Yamaneko2:
It looks like winter ended Monday morning, you had 24 hours of spring, and now it's summer.  Just wait until Autumn -- should be there in about a week.

In Winnipeg, they call that "typical"

/not there right now, used to be
 
2013-05-14 07:18:16 PM
It's an icy 102 here in Phoenix right now (as of 4:16 PM MST). I can't even put away the winter parka 'til it hits 108.

/am I insane?
//why yes... yes I am...
///thank you for noticing.
 
2013-05-14 07:19:05 PM
I woke up to a record low today in DC. I guess it'll be 80 tomorrow. meh
 
2013-05-14 07:20:01 PM

Reverend J: wage0048: That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.

That's what you get for legalizing the gay marriage.  Just wait for the locust and the frogs.


Locusts and frogs?  Both tasty treats if prepared properly, and high in protein as well!

//all our problems will be solved
 
2013-05-14 07:20:05 PM
Obama just wants Washington to warm up so it's more like his native Kenya.
 
2013-05-14 07:22:40 PM
We'd better ban SUVs immediately so we no longer have this problem.
 
2013-05-14 07:23:04 PM
Can we start replaying all the Republican politicians who claim that global warming is a hoax? 

I want some accountability, dammit. 

Run your mouth, you should get called out on it.  We got a long list of anti-science idiots in positions of leadership.  Let's hear what they got to say now.
 
2013-05-14 07:25:06 PM
We had frost in Indy yesterday morning, and it's in the 80s today. This has happened a couple of times so far this year, and damn if it doesn't make my old, arthritic carcass spark.
 
2013-05-14 07:25:07 PM

GORDON: We'd better ban SUVs immediately so we no longer have this problem.


Nah, you can get an SUV.

www.autoweek.com
 
2013-05-14 07:25:29 PM

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.


Ha ha ha.  It's cute the way you think we won't be able to take what we want and leave you with a dusty hole in the ground.   My super soaker.....cold dead hands.
 
2013-05-14 07:27:00 PM

Fark U: Can we start replaying all the Republican politicians who claim that global warming is a hoax? 

I want some accountability, dammit. 

Run your mouth, you should get called out on it.  We got a long list of anti-science idiots in positions of leadership.  Let's hear what they got to say now.


I'm all for the death penalty to those who knowingly spread disinformation once millions start dying of plagues and famines.
 
2013-05-14 07:29:10 PM

Hollie Maea: Fark U: Can we start replaying all the Republican politicians who claim that global warming is a hoax? 

I want some accountability, dammit. 

Run your mouth, you should get called out on it.  We got a long list of anti-science idiots in positions of leadership.  Let's hear what they got to say now.

I'm all for the death penalty to those who knowingly spread disinformation once millions start dying of plagues and famines.


Here's one of these smug criminals in this video:  http://youtu.be/E13uELuWQi0
 
2013-05-14 07:30:19 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.

Ha ha ha.  It's cute the way you think we won't be able to take what we want and leave you with a dusty hole in the ground.   My super soaker.....cold dead hands.


FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR LAKES THAT YOU CAPTURE, WE WILL KILL ONE HUNDRED OF YOUR MEN!!1one
 
2013-05-14 07:36:35 PM
Remember when scientists predicted that as the globe's atmosphere and oceans warmed, we'd start to experience larger variations in temperature and precipitation?

If only we had some sort of term to define that changing condition.
 
2013-05-14 07:39:17 PM
Today, it hit 100º. THANKS, OBAMA

Ohama - Omaha
Obama - Omaba

Just divided by zero.
 
2013-05-14 07:41:07 PM

lesliessexxy: Reverend J: Astorix: Nebraska weather. If you don't like it wait five minutes.

Hey! Stop stealing New England's TEXAS' slogan!

/I'm sure it's applicable to a number of places

FTFY

Also, PFFT.  Huge shifts in temperature over short periods of time is a typical Texas day.


Actually I heard that phrase in Indiana when I was little and I thought I stole it from them
 
2013-05-14 07:48:48 PM

ginkor: Algore is like the new Jack Frost


Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing? It comes off as some Oxi-induced typo that Rush Limbaugh made that all his acolytes glommed onto.
 
2013-05-14 07:49:41 PM

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.

Ha ha ha.  It's cute the way you think we won't be able to take what we want and leave you with a dusty hole in the ground.   My super soaker.....cold dead hands.

FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR LAKES THAT YOU CAPTURE, WE WILL KILL ONE HUNDRED OF YOUR MEN!!1one


I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you.  I was in the middle of something.
s21.postimg.org
 
2013-05-14 07:54:33 PM

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.


One of the reasons I still live here is the freshwater. Soon that will be more valuable than oil.. Muhawahawaha!

That, and I hate the farking desert.
 
2013-05-14 07:54:57 PM
Supposed to snow here this weekend.  Send some of that hot air this way, willya?
 
2013-05-14 08:03:22 PM

Mugato: Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing?


It's a terrorist group, like Al-Qaeda or Al-Gebra.  Being ignorant Americans, we take out the hyphen.
 
2013-05-14 08:03:37 PM
Just in one day here in Ontario, we got sun, snow, hail, sleet, wind, rain and funnel clouds in the space of minutes.I swear it seemed like that doomed planet in Star Trek 3 the Search for Spock.
 
2013-05-14 08:04:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: We almost had a frost in SE PA last night.  Some of that hundred degrees is mine.


While that is true, this has been the best spring, weather-wise we've had here in SE PA in a lonnnng time. It's been spectacular for weeks! 10-day forecast on Weather.com has high temps ranging from 71-79. Awesome!
 
2013-05-14 08:16:01 PM
It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.
 
2013-05-14 08:19:36 PM

eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.


What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.
 
2013-05-14 08:20:49 PM
Cash For Clunkers really fixed the environment.
 
2013-05-14 08:20:51 PM

Hollie Maea: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.


Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?
 
2013-05-14 08:31:03 PM

eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.


By whom?
 
2013-05-14 08:37:36 PM
I understand why the oil companies and everyone else who has a vested financial interest in ignoring virtually the entire scientific community regarding  global warming but why do the rest of the shiat kickin' hick republicans say it's bullshiat? Just partisan loyalty?
 
2013-05-14 08:49:30 PM

theknuckler_33: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

By whom?


By every member of the media that is making this a story, and by every "see I told ya so" follower in this thread. There are many more of your type out there.

Gotta hand it to you guys as far as political strategy. Just simply never, ever admit that you're wrong, not even a little bit. Then blame your opponents for being stupid and ignorant.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 08:50:10 PM

180IQ: Mugato: Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing?

It's a terrorist group, like Al-Qaeda or Al-Gebra.  Being ignorant Americans, we take out the hyphen.


Yes, and it is spread through the use of the Algorerhythm
 
2013-05-14 08:50:51 PM

Mugato: I understand why the oil companies and everyone else who has a vested financial interest in ignoring virtually the entire scientific community regarding  global warming but why do the rest of the shiat kickin' hick republicans say it's bullshiat? Just partisan loyalty?


Environmentalists = tree-huggers = dirty liberal hippies. Rush told them so.
 
2013-05-14 08:55:52 PM

eatin' fetus: Hollie Maea: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.

Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?


Are you seriously claiming that you know of no scientific evidence of global warming?
 
2013-05-14 08:55:53 PM

Mugato: I understand why the oil companies and everyone else who has a vested financial interest in ignoring virtually the entire scientific community regarding  global warming but why do the rest of the shiat kickin' hick republicans say it's bullshiat? Just partisan loyalty?


they are people of the common clay....

padresteve.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-14 08:56:06 PM
back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938
 
2013-05-14 08:56:34 PM

revrendjim: Mugato: I understand why the oil companies and everyone else who has a vested financial interest in ignoring virtually the entire scientific community regarding  global warming but why do the rest of the shiat kickin' hick republicans say it's bullshiat? Just partisan loyalty?

Environmentalists = tree-huggers = dirty liberal hippies. Rush told them so.


You two seem to really to really jump at the chance to ostracize and dehumanize your perceived opponents. Tolerance is understanding other people's beliefs, even if they are not your own, without making baseless judgements on their worth and intelligence.

Are the Democrats of old making their comeback?
 
2013-05-14 08:57:03 PM

eatin' fetus: Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?


www.mattbors.com
 
2013-05-14 08:57:13 PM

NFA: Weather, how does it work???


It works as a function of climate, actually.
 
2013-05-14 08:57:53 PM

prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938


Interesting cherry picking.
 
2013-05-14 09:01:30 PM

eatin' fetus: theknuckler_33: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

By whom?

By every member of the media that is making this a story, and by every "see I told ya so" follower in this thread. There are many more of your type out there.

Gotta hand it to you guys as far as political strategy. Just simply never, ever admit that you're wrong, not even a little bit. Then blame your opponents for being stupid and ignorant.


Just as I figured. Congratulations slaying that strawman.
 
2013-05-14 09:03:47 PM
I live in western Washington.  If this is what global warming is like all I have to say is


WOOOOHOOOOOO!  Keep it coming and who cares what happens to the rest of the country.
 
2013-05-14 09:08:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.


I'm in Minneapolis. The record high for today was 95° in 1932. Was. Today it hit 98°.
 
2013-05-14 09:08:48 PM
There was frost on the grass here in MD this morning, and I don't think we've had even a handful of days yet this year where it's broken 80F.

Which is kinda nice, given that I'm *still* cutting up fallen trees from last summer's derecho. I hope to have it all done before the weather gets to it's normal "95+F and sweaty as Satan's nads" MD summer phase.


Central states, do not start inflicting your stupid weather on us. You would not like our hurricanes.
 
2013-05-14 09:11:13 PM

revrendjim: eatin' fetus: Hollie Maea: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.

Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?

Are you seriously claiming that you know of no scientific evidence of global warming?


I know about scientific evidence. Keep in mind that the climate change issue is a scientific theory, not necessarily a fact.

Let me ask you, what is faith? In the frame of religion, it is to blindly believe in something despite anyone telling you otherwise or any evidence to the contrary, right? It is a complete devotion to a concept no matter who says what about it.

Tell me then, what is the difference between faith in a science theory and faith in a religion? They are not mutually exclusive, both have been proven wrong numerous times. One can believe in bits of both. Both have influenced mankind in immeasurable ways. Why are such bitter sides taken on things that we won't live long enough to prove?

Because I am right, and you are wrong. And we aren't going to have a good conversation about this.
 
2013-05-14 09:14:16 PM

theknuckler_33: eatin' fetus: theknuckler_33: eatin' fetus: It's hilarious that when global warming doesn't seem to be happening at all, conservatives are loudly told that its all about climate changes over time and that the whole issue is way too complex for them to understand. Yet, common late spring/early summer temperature fluctuations based on pressure gradients are offered as absolute proof of global warming.

By whom?

By every member of the media that is making this a story, and by every "see I told ya so" follower in this thread. There are many more of your type out there.

Gotta hand it to you guys as far as political strategy. Just simply never, ever admit that you're wrong, not even a little bit. Then blame your opponents for being stupid and ignorant.

Just as I figured. Congratulations slaying that strawman.


Yea I'm not convinced you understood all the words in that sentence you just said.

But thanks. Your straw man was so expertly placed, it's no wonder I couldn't see it. I bet you're laughing pretty hard right now about how much of a dumb ass I am.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 09:20:15 PM

cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.


OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv
 
2013-05-14 09:22:02 PM
By the time I got out of work it was cloudy and there was a nice breeze, so it wasn't too bad.  Seriously though, if we could have a few weeks of 70's in Omaha that would be awesome.
 
2013-05-14 09:25:17 PM

BitwiseShift: Today, it hit 100º. THANKS, OBAMA

Ohama - Omaha
Obama - Omaba

Just divided by zero.


Subby was just tired.

/with tired headline
 
2013-05-14 09:26:16 PM

gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.


In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.
 
2013-05-14 09:26:17 PM
uckler_33 * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-05-14 08:04:42 PM Marcus Aurelius: We almost had a frost in SE PA last night. Some of that hundred degrees is mine. While that is true, this has been the best spring, weather-wise we've had here in SE PA in a lonnnng time. It's been spectacular for weeks! 10-day forecast on Weather.com has high temps ranging from 71-79. Awesome!
========================================================

Here in Cleveland, everyone biatched about how cold it was this April... based on the highs and averages reported by accuweather... we were actually 0.6 degrees ABOVE average. (Essentially, exactly average).

After the disgustingly hot Spring (technically still winter) last year... people forgot what normal spring is like.
 
2013-05-14 09:33:51 PM
eatin' fetus:


What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.

Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?

Are you seriously claiming that you know of no scientific evidence of global warming?

I know about scientific evidence. Keep in mind that the climate change issue is a scientific theory, not necessarily a fact.

Let me ask you, what is faith? In the frame of religion, it is to blindly believe in something despite anyone telling you otherwise or any evidence to the contrary, right? It is a complete devotion to a concept no matter who says what about it.

Tell me then, what is the difference between faith in a science theory and faith in a religion? They are not mutually exclusive, both have been proven wrong numerous times. One can believe in bits of both. Both have influenced mankind in immeasurable ways. Why are such bitter sides taken on things that we won't live long enough to prove?


So, basically... The opinion of a random person has just as much weight as someone who has studied the problem? Say, Jenny McCarthy's strongly-held opinion carries as much weight for you as collected, published, and cross-checked data?

You're assuming that science and religion operate under the same requirements. They don't, and saying as much makes one sound like a college kid who just discovered philosophy.

No one talks of "believing in" probability theory, general relativity, Boyle's law, or the the Pythagorean Theorem. Those can be checked and cross-checked by anyone interested with sufficient wit and interest. They're not things that sprung whole from one source and otherwise exist in a vacuum.

Religion doesn't operate under the same system.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

Whether or not you *believe* that Asimov quote applies to anthropogenic climate change, you are doing exactly what he described by equating the scientific method with theology.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 09:39:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.


Cameron, you ARE a galactic-class idiot. What degrees do you have you half-cooked egg?
You need to walk a WORLD of road before you can EVER hope to be near my level of understanding where science and engineering are concerned.
You are just another ignorant youth that thinks us old men aren't as smart as you young dudes. You are ALL wrong.

FTR, a small bump is a less that .25%dev YOY or a .215 YAY using an EWMA imposed on a LTR style chart for the 5/10/20/50/100 Y calcs.
Resultant deltas express a LESS than .75o dev, that doesn't seem too large and is not what many of the global warming proponents are claiming has happened. When viewed as a raw # calc versus verified sample size most statisticians would conclude the currently utilized sample is in sufficient to produce unimpeachable an fully vetted scientific conclusion on.

Now do you see where some might have a problem? Or did I use to many "big" words again?
 
2013-05-14 09:49:42 PM

maxheck: eatin' fetus:


What isn't hilarious is that conservatives think that their ignorance and stupidity is just as valid as science and data.

Fantastic counterpoint. Exactly what science and data, now?

Are you seriously claiming that you know of no scientific evidence of global warming?

I know about scientific evidence. Keep in mind that the climate change issue is a scientific theory, not necessarily a fact.

Let me ask you, what is faith? In the frame of religion, it is to blindly believe in something despite anyone telling you otherwise or any evidence to the contrary, right? It is a complete devotion to a concept no matter who says what about it.

Tell me then, what is the difference between faith in a science theory and faith in a religion? They are not mutually exclusive, both have been proven wrong numerous times. One can believe in bits of both. Both have influenced mankind in immeasurable ways. Why are such bitter sides taken on things that we won't live long enough to prove?

So, basically... The opinion of a random person has just as much weight as someone who has studied the problem? Say, Jenny McCarthy's strongly-held opinion carries as much weight for you as collected, published, and cross-checked data?

You're assuming that science and religion operate under the same requirements. They don't, and saying as much makes one sound like a college kid who just discovered philosophy.

No one talks of "believing in" probability theory, general relativity, Boyle's law, or the the Pythagorean Theorem. Those can be checked and cross-checked by anyone interested with sufficient wit and interest. They're not things that sprung whole from one source and otherwise exist in a vacuum.

Religion doesn't operate under the same system.

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democra ...


So scientific method should always trump over theology?

Or do you have lingering doubts about science, much like most people do about religion; despite the strength of either of their beliefs? I might even go so far as to say that science is the process of questioning and building upon assumed beliefs. Science, by its nature, must doubt itself to continue, right?

Is religion any different? It struggles to reinforce its own dogma against new beliefs. Religions change, too.

Of course, climate change is not a religious argument, but a purely scientific argument mixed with a lot of invested politics. That takes a whole bunch of scientific method off of the table, much like the Catholic Church and their scandals being conveniently swept under the rug -- this all due to influence of money and power.

What is belief? It is faith. Faith is only what you want it to be, and nothing else. This holds true in these situations where there is so little to support an argument, yet so much apparent support.

It appears you and I are back to square one now, which was exactly the point I was illustrating. I think climate change is a bunch of bullhockey meant to influence voters and get fundraising money. What do you think about the religious right?
 
2013-05-14 09:49:58 PM

edmo: verbaltoxin: Ain't global warming fun?

This was never a problem until Al Gore mentioned it.


Didn't he invent the Internet?
 
2013-05-14 09:50:36 PM

gja: Cameron, you ARE a galactic-class idiot. What degrees do you have you half-cooked egg?


So much for dispassionately looking at data, eh? What got you so riled up? Could it be that you can't defend your point on merit and thus feel the need to call me names?

I'm not even going to read the rest of the post. You claimed you could look at the numbers without emotion and clearly you lied.
 
2013-05-14 09:55:18 PM

mtlls: Welcome to Nebraska!


Colorado, it would be more like two days.
 
2013-05-14 09:56:04 PM
Whoa, boys, everyone just backup here. We gots ourself an ENGINEER here and he dun checked the numbers hisself!
 
2013-05-14 09:56:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: gja: Cameron, you ARE a galactic-class idiot. What degrees do you have you half-cooked egg?

So much for dispassionately looking at data, eh? What got you so riled up? Could it be that you can't defend your point on merit and thus feel the need to call me names?

I'm not even going to read the rest of the post. You claimed you could look at the numbers without emotion and clearly you lied.


I read the whole thing -- it appears he's trying to gain your acceptance.
 
2013-05-14 10:01:53 PM

chuggernaught: By the time I got out of work it was cloudy and there was a nice breeze, so it wasn't too bad.  Seriously though, if we could have a few weeks of 70's in Omaha that would be awesome.


You can, just as long as you're not picky about whether they are lows, highs or wind speeds.
 
2013-05-14 10:02:54 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Last night was the first time since September that I didn't have to turn on the pellet stove. For the last several years, we've been getting our last snowstorms in May, but the summers have been getting hotter, drier, and shorter. The whole Phoenix heat island has permanently affected our climate up here in the mountains. It's all kinds of farked up.


Still beats living IN Phoenix.

/Flagstaff ftw
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 10:06:34 PM

cameroncrazy1984: gja: Cameron, you ARE a galactic-class idiot. What degrees do you have you half-cooked egg?

So much for dispassionately looking at data, eh? What got you so riled up? Could it be that you can't defend your point on merit and thus feel the need to call me names?

I'm not even going to read the rest of the post. You claimed you could look at the numbers without emotion and clearly you lied.


Good. I get pissed at YOU, not the numbers. Numbers never lie. Sadly you cannot grasp that concept. GO blog and drink beer, that should work out great for a job. I am not "riled up" LOL, I just detest willfully obtuse ignorance.

FACT: the current dataset available to man as a race for numeric calculation of a rationalized and normalized analysis of temperatures is likely insufficient to conclusively prove beyond ANY question (via hard scientific methodology) a trend that clearly manages target deltas for earth temps as a true trend.
We need more years, which we simply do not have. 1878 was the first year somewhat organized collection began via Army personnel, and 1890 was when dedicated folks collecting weather values were commenced.
Considering the assertion of global warming is being put forward as a 'life-cycle' change the overlay of known lifetime for earth inception so significantly dwarfs the available dataset as to make it a questionable source.

You are free to disagree, but that would indicate you have already decided you are smarter than ALL the rest of the scientific community, and that is hubris.
I don't claim to be a meteorologist but I understand stats and calcs and datasets very clearly, and I am still for someone to supply some unimpeachable sources and outcomes.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 10:08:32 PM

Hollie Maea: Whoa, boys, everyone just backup here. We gots ourself an ENGINEER here and he dun checked the numbers hisself!


Never said that. Try actually READING posts before being (or attempting to be) funny.
 
2013-05-14 10:13:28 PM
eatin' fetus:

So scientific method should always trump over theology?

The difference being that with science you have to show that your ideas match the reality we all live in. Religion not so much. One good observation or theory can, and has pretty often has happened to overturn a whole body of scientific dogma, religion not so much... Otherwise everyone would be jewish. Or maybe Og-Ish, I don't know.

You can check things with the scientific method. Fourier and Ahrrennus showed the correspondence between atmospheric CO2 concentration and infrared forcing with their work, and a reasonably clever grade-schooler could make an experiment that checked that today, 100 years ago, or 100 years from now at a science fair.

Try that with counting angels dancing on the head of a pin.... As you said, you won't live long enough to answer that question,.

I realize why it's useful to label science and religion as equally valid. It's BSABSVR. The difference being, with one you have to show your work.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-14 10:21:59 PM

maxheck: The difference being, with one you have to show your work.


THIS is why science can be used to save ourselves. And I mean that in a literal sense, not in an altruistic sense.

But the science needs to be clean/pure, not rushed to conclusion and needs to be very well examined.

I worry this has not truly happened in the vein of this threads matter of discussion.

Neither, though, am I of the mind GW is not possibly real, just worry we might be seeing it from a poorly defined angle and thus proceeding improperly.
 
2013-05-14 10:28:36 PM

Mugato: ginkor: Algore is like the new Jack Frost

Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing? It comes off as some Oxi-induced typo that Rush Limbaugh made that all his acolytes glommed onto.


It was a bit that Rush did in the 90's with Count Taxula and Algore.  It was a mesh of monster characters and from that point on Al Gore would always be known as Algore.
 
2013-05-14 10:30:16 PM
Igor (Algore) from Frankenstein was Taxula's assistant.
 
2013-05-14 10:33:31 PM

gja: But the science needs to be clean/pure, not rushed to conclusion and needs to be very well examined.


Agreed.

But you have to make sure you are clear on which path is "action" and which path is "inaction".  The ACTION is burning millions of years worth of sequestered carbon over the span of a couple of hundred years.

Do you trust the science enough to try that little experiment?
 
2013-05-14 10:38:16 PM
the funny thing is, we had a record low of 33º on sunday here. so in two days, we've gone from 33º to 100º. i can't remember the last time that happened.
 
2013-05-14 10:40:44 PM
eatin' fetus:

What is belief? It is faith. Faith is only what you want it to be, and nothing else. This holds true in these situations where there is so little to support an argument, yet so much apparent support.


Well, *THAT* is certainly an airy statement... Anything else you'd like to explain to us?

Belief is what you uhh... believe. A lot of things happen in this world whether you *want* to believe in them or not, however. That would be the difference I tried to explain, evidently not very successfully. One of us is stupid.
 
2013-05-14 10:41:31 PM
 maxheck: I realize why it's useful to label science and religion as equally valid. It's BSABSVR. The difference being, with one you have to show your work.

Your first sentence, yes!

"It's BSABSVR" -- no. That is where political divide kicks in. The difference is not necessarily showing your work, but what that work means. Right? Let's see...

maxheck: You can check things with the scientific method. Fourier and Ahrrennus showed the correspondence between atmospheric CO2 concentration and infrared forcing with their work, and a reasonably clever grade-schooler could make an experiment that checked that today, 100 years ago, or 100 years from now at a science fair.


Adlib using your context:
You can check things with the Bible/Quran/Torah..etc. Jesus/Moses/Muhammed showed the correspondence between all that is good and all that is evil. Any reasonably clever Sunday-schooler should be able to check and reiterate that -- these days, 1000 years ago, or 1000 years from now.

Does that seem ridiculous to you? Because it was just a couple of dudes at a point in time that thought they knew what they were talking about and decided to publish their beliefs about it, all the while backing it up with the current science available at the time? 

Since we believe past beliefs are true, the burden of proof must be on new beliefs which challenge those past beliefs. Otherwise, we all go to default values.

Here's my thesis:

-Progress through science cannot be achieved without challenging its preconceived notions.
-Progress through religion cannot be achieved without battling for its preconceived notions.

What is the difference between science and religion?
 
2013-05-14 10:43:19 PM
Just FARK YOU SUBBY.

It's old.

Listen to and read some REAL SCIENCE.

It's real.
 
2013-05-14 10:47:11 PM
Most of the weather this week had been so mild that we thought we could finally set the basil seedlings outside and not worry about them freezing.

I come home from registering for classes today, and they're withering in the heat.  *sigh*  Nebraska, you are drunk; go home.
 
2013-05-14 11:09:58 PM

gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv


*sighs*

There's no way you can "win" really. You'll be called a denier, skeptic, and probably a fear monger all at the same time. All while people base theoretical fixes on theoretical problems and declare themselves ordained. I think I need to drink more.
 
2013-05-14 11:15:27 PM

FlashHarry: the funny thing is, we had a record low of 33º on sunday here. so in two days, we've gone from 33º to 100º. i can't remember the last time that happened.


in between the plague of frogs and the plague of lice, I think.
 
2013-05-14 11:16:10 PM
To be fair, the snow wasn't actual snow. It was just confetti Sarah Palin tossed up as she breezed through on one of her PATRIOTS FOR AMERICA!!  SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION tours.

When you're as awesome as Sarah your sh*t rises higher and takes longer to settle.
 
2013-05-14 11:27:03 PM

cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.


guess we're farked then

www.hprcc.unl.edu
 
2013-05-14 11:37:17 PM
If your understanding of how you get ahead in science is is to nod your head and agree.


Well, good luck. That might not be how people win the Nobel prize in Physics, though.


This is what bugs me.. Do you really believe that the way you get ahead is to nod and agree? That might be saying more about you than anyone else. You have perhaps a religious interpretation.
 
2013-05-14 11:39:02 PM

DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]





You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.
 
2013-05-14 11:39:02 PM

UnspokenVoice: I think I need to drink more.


No matter how drunk you get you will not understand the science. Sorry.
 
2013-05-14 11:47:44 PM

verbaltoxin: I guess I'm not mowing today.

Two weeks ago, we did in fact get snow.

Ain't global warming fun?


It was like 70 here today. Suck it people with bad weather.
 
2013-05-14 11:48:53 PM

Hollie Maea: DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]


You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.


how's this?
models.weatherbell.com
 
2013-05-14 11:50:33 PM
Adlib using your context:

You can check things with the Bible/Quran/Torah..etc. Jesus/Moses/Muhammed showed the correspondence between all that is good and all that is evil. Any reasonably clever Sunday-schooler should be able to check and reiterate that -- these days, 1000 years ago, or 1000 years from now.

by the qualifications you just laid out, JRR. Tolkien has the validity of the Bible, and the point just passed you at 30,000 feet.

I am trying very hard to respect you, but you're not making it easy.

Given two systems, one of miracles and magic, the other that requires a reason that any doubter could ask "wait a miniute.... This sounds like bullshiat" and poke at it themselves, for whatever reason they doubt it, which one would you trust?

Take your time.
 
2013-05-14 11:55:41 PM
The global weather recently underwent a sex change.

Now it can't seem to make up its damned mind!

/Just pick ONE and LETS GO!
 
2013-05-14 11:56:56 PM
I moved from south Florida to north Iowa last September. All I can say is that my in laws weren't kidding when they'd condescendingly tell me I didn't know what cold was. I did not, until this winter.

We got 7 inches of snow and temps dropped to the low 20s on May 2. The kids had a snow day on the 3rd. Today, I had to stop working in the garden and come inside because it was well over 90 by 11am.

This sucks. Florida might be a pretty awful place to live for some reasons, but I'll take alligators, snakes, morons, and hurricanes over this bullshiat any day.

/homesick for weather that isn't bipolar.
 
2013-05-15 12:03:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.


What they don't get is what a colossal amount of energy that is required to induce a global temperature change of 1 degree, nor do they understand that thermodynamics requires that energy to go somewhere.  Everything is energy flow.  If you dump energy into a system, the system readjusts to a new equilibrium.
 
2013-05-15 12:09:46 AM
Finaly, a "Thanks Obama" has made it to the main page!

Suck it you Leftist LibTards that try to rule the FarkWorld!


And NO!!!!
I don't give a ratsass if Obama isn't actualy at fault here. ( I know he's not ) It's just so nice to see a poo poo Obama headline make it thru all the vicious Red Piranas that attack anything that doesn't fit into their view.

/now, go ahead, do your worst!!!
//not subby
 
2013-05-15 12:21:59 AM

DownDaRiver: Finaly, a "Thanks Obama" has made it to the main page!

Suck it you Leftist LibTards that try to rule the FarkWorld!


And NO!!!!
I don't give a ratsass if Obama isn't actualy at fault here. ( I know he's not ) It's just so nice to see a poo poo Obama headline make it thru all the vicious Red Piranas that attack anything that doesn't fit into their view.

/now, go ahead, do your worst!!!
//not subby


This is how you troll!
 
2013-05-15 12:24:38 AM

ficklefkrfark: ecmoRandomNumbers: Last night was the first time since September that I didn't have to turn on the pellet stove. For the last several years, we've been getting our last snowstorms in May, but the summers have been getting hotter, drier, and shorter. The whole Phoenix heat island has permanently affected our climate up here in the mountains. It's all kinds of farked up.

Still beats living IN Phoenix.

/Flagstaff ftw


Flagstaff looked interesting, I only passed through there way back when one winter wish I could've spent some time there. Albuquerque, seemed pretty cool as well.
/Although the road between those two places was a black ice nightmare when we went through.
 
2013-05-15 12:26:06 AM
This is bad news... for Omaha.

Mugato: ginkor: Algore is like the new Jack Frost

Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing? It comes off as some Oxi-induced typo that Rush Limbaugh made that all his acolytes glommed onto.


Maybe it's something to do with algorithms? That fat drug addict never says anything sensical.
 
2013-05-15 12:41:48 AM

Mugato: ginkor: Algore is like the new Jack Frost

Can someone explain to me the "Algore" as one word thing? It comes off as some Oxi-induced typo that Rush Limbaugh made that all his acolytes glommed onto.


Igor (Algore) (or sometimes Ygor) is the traditional stock character or cliché hunch-backed assistant or butler to many types of villain, such as Count Dracula or a mad scientist or to Pres. Clinton, familiar from many horror movies and horror movie parodies .

hope it helps
 
2013-05-15 12:42:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: DownDaRiver: Finaly, a "Thanks Obama" has made it to the main page!

Suck it you Leftist LibTards that try to rule the FarkWorld!


And NO!!!!
I don't give a ratsass if Obama isn't actualy at fault here. ( I know he's not ) It's just so nice to see a poo poo Obama headline make it thru all the vicious Red Piranas that attack anything that doesn't fit into their view.

/now, go ahead, do your worst!!!
//not subby

This is how you troll!


I wasn't trolling dipshiat

Start thinking on your own

Quit following the crowd
 
2013-05-15 12:48:53 AM
 Whats important is that we remember that it was CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS who said that global climate change A) was not happening B) well maybe it is but we shouldn't do anything about it. If, and I'm just saying if, they're wrong on such an important issue, can we really trust their views on other issues?

Hypnozombie
 
2013-05-15 12:50:29 AM

DownDaRiver: cameroncrazy1984: DownDaRiver: Finaly, a "Thanks Obama" has made it to the main page!

Suck it you Leftist LibTards that try to rule the FarkWorld!


And NO!!!!
I don't give a ratsass if Obama isn't actualy at fault here. ( I know he's not ) It's just so nice to see a poo poo Obama headline make it thru all the vicious Red Piranas that attack anything that doesn't fit into their view.

/now, go ahead, do your worst!!!
//not subby

This is how you troll!

I wasn't trolling dipshiat

Start thinking on your own

Quit following the crowd


Um, he/she did think on their own and called you a troll, and now you'r trying to tell them what to think?
Yea, read your own post they make no sense
 
2013-05-15 12:53:24 AM
http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2013/march-2013-global-tempera t ure-update
www.climatewatch.noaa.gov

Yup, sure was cold in the US.  Glad the US is the only country whose temperature matters.
 
2013-05-15 12:53:37 AM
Breaking record lows and highs back to back should be considered strange. They're records for a reason.
 
2013-05-15 12:57:12 AM

reillan: http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/2013/march-2013-global-tempera t ure-update
[www.climatewatch.noaa.gov image 720x404]

Yup, sure was cold in the US.  Glad the US is the only country whose temperature matters.


All that red around the Arctic looks pretty bad. If the Antarctic heads there we're FUBR.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:36 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Breaking record lows and highs back to back should be considered strange. They're records for a reason.


Pretty much so, it seems it's only gonna get stranger from here on out.
 
2013-05-15 12:58:57 AM

Yamaneko2: wage0048: That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.

It looks like winter ended Monday morning, you had 24 hours of spring, and now it's summer.  Just wait until Autumn -- should be there in about a week.


media.tumblr.com

Monty python is the one true prophet of weather in Minnesota this year.
 
2013-05-15 01:01:44 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: cameroncrazy1984: DownDaRiver: Finaly, a "Thanks Obama" has made it to the main page!

Suck it you Leftist LibTards that try to rule the FarkWorld!


And NO!!!!
I don't give a ratsass if Obama isn't actualy at fault here. ( I know he's not ) It's just so nice to see a poo poo Obama headline make it thru all the vicious Red Piranas that attack anything that doesn't fit into their view.

/now, go ahead, do your worst!!!
//not subby

This is how you troll!

I wasn't trolling dipshiat

Start thinking on your own

Quit following the crowd

Um, he/she did think on their own and called you a troll, and now you'r trying to tell them what to think?
Yea, read your own post they make no sense


Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......
 
2013-05-15 01:10:25 AM

DownDaRiver: Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......



Oh, well, alright then... backs away slowly.
 
2013-05-15 01:29:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......


Oh, well, alright then... backs away slowly.


U must feel alone
Weak is the one seperated from the school
 
2013-05-15 01:41:31 AM

DownDaRiver: tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......


Oh, well, alright then... backs away slowly.

U must feel alone
Weak is the one seperated from the school


Judging by your grammar you've been separated from the school for a long, long time.
 
2013-05-15 01:43:20 AM

DownDaRiver: tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......


Oh, well, alright then... backs away slowly.

U must feel alone
Weak is the one seperated from the school


but I would not feel so alone, everybody must get stoned : )
 
2013-05-15 01:51:58 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: tinfoil-hat maggie: DownDaRiver: Naw, he/she, just like yourself now, were just following the roll
Its a pirana thing, you probably know it well

My post? Show me where it doesn't make sense.......


Oh, well, alright then... backs away slowly.

U must feel alone
Weak is the one seperated from the school

but I would not feel so alone, everybody must get stoned : )


Loved that song
Thank You
Downloading it now to my phone for music while I walk to work
 
2013-05-15 02:11:11 AM
and I believe today the first time ever Iowa has not had a tornado for a whole year

weird, man
 
2013-05-15 02:25:30 AM

DesertDemonWY: Hollie Maea: DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]


You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.

how's this?
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]



Better, but not by much. You need to understand that by only selecting bits of winter and spring in the Northern Hemisphere means you will tend to get lower temperatures. This is of course, completely expected.
 
2013-05-15 02:30:07 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Some dude wrote this same shiat on a cave wall 4 million years ago. Today, scientists corrected his spelling.


There is no climate change!
If there is any it's purely natural! <- YOU ARE HERE
Even if it's not natural there's nothing we can do!
It's too expensive to do anything!
It's probably more expensive to do nothing...
 
2013-05-15 02:34:54 AM

Omahawg: and I believe today the first time ever Iowa has not had a tornado for a whole year

weird, man


Just be glad we had a few years where I really was over the tornado show ( ie: the local weather ) Although I have no doubt it will start back up soon enough.
 
2013-05-15 05:33:45 AM

Marcus Aurelius: We almost had a frost in SE PA last night.  Some of that hundred degrees is mine.


Omaha had frost Saturday night.   It's just...bizarre.
 
2013-05-15 05:35:22 AM
I lived in Nebraska and Colorado for several years. Got tired of white knuckle driving in snowstorms, so I stayed home and hibernated more. In the summers, I grew tired of wanting to pass out from the heat so I stayed inside soaking up the air conditioning, so six years ago I packed up and moved to Hawai'i.

Smartest move ever. I may have to deal with bugs and the occasional tsunami warning, but at least I'm trapped in my house all year long.
 
2013-05-15 05:41:45 AM
Because, you know, all the scientists are in the conspiracy together...or something...

gja: cameroncrazy1984: gja: Cameron, you ARE a galactic-class idiot. What degrees do you have you half-cooked egg?

So much for dispassionately looking at data, eh? What got you so riled up? Could it be that you can't defend your point on merit and thus feel the need to call me names?

I'm not even going to read the rest of the post. You claimed you could look at the numbers without emotion and clearly you lied.

Good. I get pissed at YOU, not the numbers. Numbers never lie. Sadly you cannot grasp that concept. GO blog and drink beer, that should work out great for a job. I am not "riled up" LOL, I just detest willfully obtuse ignorance.

FACT: the current dataset available to man as a race for numeric calculation of a rationalized and normalized analysis of temperatures is likely insufficient to conclusively prove beyond ANY question (via hard scientific methodology) a trend that clearly manages target deltas for earth temps as a true trend.
We need more years, which we simply do not have. 1878 was the first year somewhat organized collection began via Army personnel, and 1890 was when dedicated folks collecting weather values were commenced.
Considering the assertion of global warming is being put forward as a 'life-cycle' change the overlay of known lifetime for earth inception so significantly dwarfs the available dataset as to make it a questionable source.

You are free to disagree, but that would indicate you have already decided you are smarter than ALL the rest of the scientific community, and that is hubris.
I don't claim to be a meteorologist but I understand stats and calcs and datasets very clearly, and I am still for someone to supply some unimpeachable sources and outcomes.


Because all the climate scientists are in the conspiracy together...or something...right??
www.desmogblog.com
 
2013-05-15 06:09:39 AM
I will be dead and gone before any of this impacts my lifestyle. I have no kids so I've already done more to 'save the environment' than everyone with kids who wails about it.

Even if I did have kids they would have to find a way to survive just like every other generation has. If what's needed to bring the planet back into balance is millions of humans have to die off and the survivors return to the stone age then that's what it's going to take. I'm not going to be here so I don't care.

If you think this is a selfish viewpoint, again, I don't care. 50 years after you're gone, maybe 75 if you're really famous, nobody is going to remember or care that you even existed. Your surviving family members aren't going to be sitting around the fire in their cave saying "you know, great-great ganddad or grandma recycled everything and had no carbon footprint. They told everyone to do the same but nobody listened!" Or, "great-great grandad or gramdma had a giant TV and drove a car everywhere that's why you kids are starving right now!" No, they're going to be too busy trying to eat again and not die from exposure to care whether you were a hero or a villain.

Or, they will have adjusted to the new climate and life will go on much the same as it has but with different energy sources or at a reduced capacity.

Either way there is nothing you can do.

Nothing.

Zero.

Nobody in power is going to do anything and even if they were and could eliminate carbon or greenhouse gas emissions in the US and Europe Asia is polluting a hundred million percent more. They don't give a flying fark about the environment.

If you think the pollution around cities and industrial areas in the US and Western Europe are bad I'd invite you to do a GIS for Bangalore or Mumbai or Beijing pollution. They have only become slightly more prosperous in the last 30 years and only around the large urban areas. They rest of the country is still living a primitive existence. The people in power and living the modern life are not about to flush that down the shiatter. For them reducing their emissions or slowing their economy with environmental restrictions means the whole country goes back to living that primitive existence and they're not going to do it for any reason. Eastern Europe and South America are pretty bad too.

Alternative energy is a pipe dream. Wind, solar, and geothermal will never produce enough energy to meet even the current demand and any possible future increase is right out. Unless there is research done at a Manhattan project level of funding and intensity alternative energy will never advance to the point of superiority and nobody is even planning on doing that. Again, it doesn't serve the interests of the people in power so it's never going to happen.

We need to use the current resources we have and make them as clean, efficient, and safe as possible then move on with our lives as comfortably as we can. You'll be gone before anything changes too much either way and the generations to come won't care or remember what you did or didn't do.
 
2013-05-15 06:53:18 AM

prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938


Well, that sounds way more scientific than actual science. That settles it then. Climate change is a hoax because there were a few hot summers almost a hundred years ago.
 
2013-05-15 07:01:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.


For a numbers guy - he doesn't know statistics. He should know that even the smallest variation could possibly show the Null Hypothesis void if that variation exceeds 5%. Or would he like to T-Test this b*tch out?
 
2013-05-15 07:18:35 AM

gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv


Next, you should show us how 9/11 was an inside job because a cup of kerosene can't melt chicken wire with a cinder block on top.
 
2013-05-15 07:43:46 AM

NFA: Weather, how does it work???


All depends which way the wind is blowing. If Gore is in the Southern US and talking, the winds will be hot up north.
 
2013-05-15 08:02:25 AM

wage0048: That's nothing.

In Minneapolis, there was snow on Saturday.  There was frost Monday morning, and it's 98* right now.  It hit 102 on the MN/IA border.


It should be noted that during this heatwave, it was 48 in Duluth Harbor yesterday.
 
2013-05-15 08:51:18 AM

redslippers: I moved from south Florida to north Iowa last September. All I can say is that my in laws weren't kidding when they'd condescendingly tell me I didn't know what cold was. I did not, until this winter.


we've had very mild winters here in the upper midwest for the past few years. normally, in february, you'll see actual air temps of -20 or lower. not wind chills, mind you - actual air temperatures (with wind chills in the -40s). but we haven't had that for a while.

but, yeah - i've lived in finland and i've lived in west africa. i've never lived anyplace hotter or colder than nebraska/iowa.
 
2013-05-15 09:23:25 AM
Oh, stop complaining. Once the polar ice caps finish melting, we won't GET those late spring snows, and you can have a nice, consistently hot, arid climate. We'll be growing cactus in Saskatchewan!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 09:46:40 AM

Shakin_Haitian: gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv

Next, you should show us how 9/11 was an inside job because a cup of kerosene can't melt chicken wire with a cinder block on top.


ROFLOL. You get the boobie prize fella.
What has the towers got to do with this discussion.
Pro-tip: ANYone who thinks the towers fell as a result of deliberate internal action needs to put the crack-pipe down.
/747-400 can hold some 140+ tonnes of fuel, burn all that at once in an enclose space and your day damned sure gets ruined
//physics.....its a biatch
 
2013-05-15 09:55:53 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: I'm calling 'leader' right now for the militia that defends our freshwater against all those southern bastards..

You know, when ignorance combined with global warming causes them to dry up all their lakes and they come a-lookin' for ours.

Ha ha ha.  It's cute the way you think we won't be able to take what we want and leave you with a dusty hole in the ground.   My super soaker.....cold dead hands.

FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR LAKES THAT YOU CAPTURE, WE WILL KILL ONE HUNDRED OF YOUR MEN!!1one

I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you.  I was in the middle of something.
[s21.postimg.org image 558x906]


But it's already capitalized. I can't capitalize it any further.

And joke's on you, we dilute our pee and store it in water jugs. We call it the "ol' honeypot".
 
2013-05-15 10:01:28 AM
They must have global warming devices hidden somewhere.  Quick, send forth the army
 
2013-05-15 10:02:24 AM
Or global cooling.  Works either way.

GWD

or

GCD

Gozer the Gozerian tells you to choose
 
2013-05-15 10:12:56 AM
Well, make up your minds. Either the USA can be the world's policeman and use the military to enforce anti-AGW regulations on nations that will not comply under any lesser threat than military occupation, or we can abdicate that role to the UN, which essentially puts Putin in charge of deciding who has to cut their industry to meet the regulations (hint: the US will be reduced to a pre-industrial population before any controls whatsoever are put on Russia, China, or India).

Either way, you aren't going to stop climate change without soaking your hands in blood clear up to your armpits. So, is it really worth that to you?

/i'd rather declare war on terror than war on weather
 
2013-05-15 10:25:15 AM

gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv

Next, you should show us how 9/11 was an inside job because a cup of kerosene can't melt chicken wire with a cinder block on top.

ROFLOL. You get the boobie prize fella.
What has the towers got to do with this discussion.
Pro-tip: ANYone who thinks the towers fell as a result of deliberate internal action needs to put the crack-pipe down.
/747-400 can hold some 140+ tonnes of fuel, burn all that at once in an enclose space and your day damned sure gets ruined
//physics.....its a biatch


Your statistical analysis is as rigorous as the kerosene test. It's sad that I have to explain this to you, grand engineer.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 10:39:52 AM

Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv

Next, you should show us how 9/11 was an inside job because a cup of kerosene can't melt chicken wire with a cinder block on top.

ROFLOL. You get the boobie prize fella.
What has the towers got to do with this discussion.
Pro-tip: ANYone who thinks the towers fell as a result of deliberate internal action needs to put the crack-pi ...


Ah, you are obviously vastly superior to me. I guess I should grovel at your awesomeness......

/troll harder loser
 
2013-05-15 10:48:14 AM
cwolf20:

Or global cooling. Works either way.

GWD

or

GCD

Gozer the Gozerian tells you to choose


You know, I'm terribly curious about this whole global cooling thing. Would you mind terribly telling us what you know about it? You sound informed, please do tell.
 
2013-05-15 10:58:59 AM
I've kinda wondered why it all of a sudden became "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming."  I just figured the scientist just didn't have the data that would prove "warming" or even that they understood what was going on, but they were politically committed and need to keep their grant money coming so they just changed the talking points to "Climate Change."  Which is MUCH easier to prove, because in any chaotic system there is always some change.
 
2013-05-15 11:24:48 AM

MonoChango: I've kinda wondered why it all of a sudden became "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming."  I just figured the scientist just didn't have the data that would prove "warming" or even that they understood what was going on, but they were politically committed and need to keep their grant money coming so they just changed the talking points to "Climate Change."  Which is MUCH easier to prove, because in any chaotic system there is always some change.


The Bush administration did that.

Climate change is a more appropriate term anyway because a lot of people don't understand that the global average temperature increasing doesn't mean that it gets hotter everywhere permanently.
 
2013-05-15 11:26:05 AM

gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: cameroncrazy1984: prjindigo: back to normal weather pattern

it was hotter in 1878 than it was in 2008 and 1938

Interesting cherry picking.

OK, so here's the thing:
When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

As an exercise I used an EWMA calculation (for short-term and daily temps) and regressed it against a long-term calculation via a Shewart style calculation chart (which is more useful for non-process-mean numbers and is more suited to expressing larger deltas in a QC-esque manner).
Lacking the time, money, and computing cluster to feed all temps ever recorded into for a transform and a resultant output I will however say that the numbers for the period I fed in did not set off alarms (visually comparing YOY and YAY deltas).

I will admit, I am viewing it all as dead-simple numbers and have little or no atmospheric/meteorologic training so that may in fact color the entire transaction.
Not sure, no data to go on as far as that goes.

In short, many here like to spout off about "the science!", but likely have no damned idea how that really works.
Then, there are us engineers who typically sit by quietly and chuckle at the ignorance of most people where large-number calculations are concerned.
We choose to sit by because when we speak up BOTH sides get sand in their collective reproductive canals, as-it-were. And that is tiresome.

Just a guy who knows science/numbers/that-kinda-crapola

/ymmv

Next, you should show us how 9/11 was an inside job because a cup of kerosene can't melt chicken wire with a cinder block on top.

ROFLOL. You get the boobie prize fella.
What has the towers got to do with this discussion.
Pro-tip: ANYone who thinks the towers fell as a result of deliberate internal action needs to put the crack-pi ...

Ah, you are obviously vastly superior to me. I guess I should grovel at your awesomeness......

/troll harder loser


Show your work.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 11:38:11 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Show your work.


Nice try. NO.I  doubt the admins would take too kindly to me using this site to distro for this type of thing.
 
2013-05-15 11:39:23 AM

gja: Shakin_Haitian: Show your work.

Nice try. NO.I  doubt the admins would take too kindly to me using this site to distro for this type of thing.


AKA "My dog ate it."
 
2013-05-15 11:44:35 AM

Shakin_Haitian: MonoChango: I've kinda wondered why it all of a sudden became "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming."  I just figured the scientist just didn't have the data that would prove "warming" or even that they understood what was going on, but they were politically committed and need to keep their grant money coming so they just changed the talking points to "Climate Change."  Which is MUCH easier to prove, because in any chaotic system there is always some change.

The Bush administration did that.

Climate change is a more appropriate term anyway because a lot of people don't understand that the global average temperature increasing doesn't mean that it gets hotter everywhere permanently.


I thought it was because the hottest yearly average was 1998 so after about 5-10-15 years of being cooler than it was in 98 you can't really say it's getting hotter all the time.  But it IS changing!  all the time it is doing something going up or down, I can't predict it but... Fear Change!  By the way I need another $2,500,000 to study the atmospheric changes on the beaches in ... Fiji .. yeah Fiji would be nice... I mean, They are like down wind from China or something and well, China bad!
 
2013-05-15 11:44:48 AM

Damnhippyfreak: DesertDemonWY: Hollie Maea: DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]


You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.

how's this?
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


Better, but not by much. You need to understand that by only selecting bits of winter and spring in the Northern Hemisphere means you will tend to get lower temperatures. This is of course, completely expected.


You said this same thing a couple of threads ago, and it's probably the dumbest thing I've heard you say. Come on man, you're smarter than that!
I don't think you understand what "departure from normal" means. Using your logic, the summer months should be above normal, and completely expected. But we all know that anytime, anywhere there is a heat wave, the alarmists are shouting from the highest mountains, "OMG GLOBAL WARMING, SEE?!!"
For the record, the cold spring was not at all expected, at least by NOAA:
images.bimedia.net
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 11:53:57 AM

Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: Show your work.

Nice try. NO.I  doubt the admins would take too kindly to me using this site to distro for this type of thing.

AKA "My dog ate it."


No, more like "I do not freely give away some things that I consider to be my I.P. (specifically the eWma myself and 3 others worked on during our quant work as it represents many, many man-hours of tuning and they also said NO).

BTW, you can see some examples of this if you have an unlazy bone in your body. GIS it. I am not the only one to do it, not by far.
 
2013-05-15 12:13:54 PM

maxheck: cwolf20:

Or global cooling. Works either way.

GWD

or

GCD

Gozer the Gozerian tells you to choose

You know, I'm terribly curious about this whole global cooling thing. Would you mind terribly telling us what you know about it? You sound informed, please do tell.


I'm not well informed about either. I just wanted to cover all the bases since someone would rant at me about the warming aspect.  There, cooling and warming is covered in my cheesy decongestant driven insanity.
 
2013-05-15 12:17:15 PM
Now bring me a beer
 
2013-05-15 12:24:46 PM
gja

maxheck: The difference being, with one you have to show your work.

THIS is why science can be used to save ourselves. And I mean that in a literal sense, not in an altruistic sense.

But the science needs to be clean/pure, not rushed to conclusion and needs to be very well examined.

I worry this has not truly happened in the vein of this threads matter of discussion.

Neither, though, am I of the m


You claim to be an an engineer. Mind if I ask what discipline?


I ask because you want clean and pure, so that sort of rules out some of them that deal with real "as builts."
 
2013-05-15 02:09:13 PM

DesertDemonWY: Damnhippyfreak: DesertDemonWY: Hollie Maea: DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]


You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.

how's this?
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


Better, but not by much. You need to understand that by only selecting bits of winter and spring in the Northern Hemisphere means you will tend to get lower temperatures. This is of course, completely expected.

You said this same thing a couple of threads ago, and it's probably the dumbest thing I've heard you say. Come on man, you're smarter than that!
I don't think you understand what "departure from normal" means. Using your logic, the summer months should be above normal, and completely expected.



I'm not sure you understand what "departure from normal" means in this context. I believe that NCEP products, such as the RAP model prediction runs (which is what is plotted on your graph) appear to be given as anomalies from the entire 1981-2010 period,no, not just the subset of each year corresponding to what is plotted. Just to be clear:"normal" in this case is defined as the average temperature from 1981-2010, all year, every year. If you're finding something different, let me know.

What this means is that yes, summer months would tend to be above normal, and are completely expected. This sort of thing happens when you select only part of a year - you of course get seasonal signals. If you wish to make the case that this spring is colder than normal, you're using the wrong kind of data.


DesertDemonWY: But we all know that anytime, anywhere there is a heat wave, the alarmists are shouting from the highest mountains, "OMG GLOBAL WARMING, SEE?!!"


While the inferences from one event are very, very limited, one can talk about departures from the normal for that period. This isn't the sort of data you're presenting, however.

Maybe you're getting hung up on the idea that what is "normal" changes depending on the context?


DesertDemonWY: For the record, the cold spring was not at all expected, at least by NOAA:


Well, we would have to compare the prediction to actual temperatures for that period to make that determination.


All this aside, if you wish to make the case that this spring has been colder than average, a better way to go about it would be to grab, say, the  GISTEMP data set and plot the months you wish over time. This has the advantages of looking at a global scale, getting an idea of historical variability, being able to look much further back, and of course relying on actual temperatures instead of compilations of meteorological predictions. I can help you with this if you're interested.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 02:37:07 PM

maxheck: gja

maxheck: The difference being, with one you have to show your work.

THIS is why science can be used to save ourselves. And I mean that in a literal sense, not in an altruistic sense.

But the science needs to be clean/pure, not rushed to conclusion and needs to be very well examined.

I worry this has not truly happened in the vein of this threads matter of discussion.

Neither, though, am I of the m

You claim to be an an engineer. Mind if I ask what discipline?

EE

I ask because you want clean and pure, so that sort of rules out some of them that deal with real "as builts."
I Realize that placing constraints such as clean/pure is very limiting, and might actually be counter to the best discipline for meteorological stat calcs, but then my approach was only as an exercise in mathematical exploration and the application of something I worked on that was directly dev'd and used to track numeric values that often had external influences and anomaly not avoidable and very difficult to account for (stock market data and trends).
And that's how I view the weather/climate. Full of anomalies, nearly impossible to predict/fathom, and often bewildering to deal with. In many ways, just like the street. Just when you THINK you have it figured out............
 
2013-05-15 02:46:08 PM
Cool. Electrical engineering was my minor.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 02:54:52 PM

Damnhippyfreak: DesertDemonWY: Damnhippyfreak: DesertDemonWY: Hollie Maea: DesertDemonWY: cameroncrazy1984: gja: When you view the weather on earth as a purely statistical and numeric value, remove all emotion and bias, and proceed to produce statistic trends only on the math much if not all of global warming becomes an unproven and small bump in the smoothline of it all.

In what respect, charlie? What degree of warming would you consider a "small bump"? Keep in mind that a very very small change in the average temperature induces a change in the climate.

Perhaps it is YOU who does not understand the science here.

guess we're farked then

[www.hprcc.unl.edu image 688x531]


You need to do a bit more work there on the whole "average" thing both spatially and temporally.

how's this?
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Better, but not by much. You need to understand that by only selecting bits of winter and spring in the Northern Hemisphere means you will tend to get lower temperatures. This is of course, completely expected.

You said this same thing a couple of threads ago, and it's probably the dumbest thing I've heard you say. Come on man, you're smarter than that!
I don't think you understand what "departure from normal" means. Using your logic, the summer months should be above normal, and completely expected.


I'm not sure you understand what "departure from normal" means in this context. I believe that NCEP products, such as the RAP model prediction runs (which is what is plotted on your graph) appear to be given as anomalies from the entire 1981-2010 period,no, not just the subset of each year corresponding to what is plotted. Just to be clear:"normal" in this case is defined as the average temperature from 1981-2010, all year, every year. If you're finding something different, let me know.

What this means is that yes, summer months would tend to be above normal, and are completely expected. This sort of thing happens when you select only part of a year - you of co ...


Hey DHF, is there any way to get/request a dataset that includes all daily means in a table/flatfile for all time? Or is that likely to get an "are you nuts?" response from GIS?
 
2013-05-15 04:17:47 PM
Good to see that the satellite is working properly.
 
2013-05-15 06:36:29 PM

MonoChango: Shakin_Haitian: MonoChango: I've kinda wondered why it all of a sudden became "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming."  I just figured the scientist just didn't have the data that would prove "warming" or even that they understood what was going on, but they were politically committed and need to keep their grant money coming so they just changed the talking points to "Climate Change."  Which is MUCH easier to prove, because in any chaotic system there is always some change.

The Bush administration did that.

Climate change is a more appropriate term anyway because a lot of people don't understand that the global average temperature increasing doesn't mean that it gets hotter everywhere permanently.

I thought it was because the hottest yearly average was 1998 so after about 5-10-15 years of being cooler than it was in 98 you can't really say it's getting hotter all the time.  But it IS changing!  all the time it is doing something going up or down, I can't predict it but... Fear Change!  By the way I need another $2,500,000 to study the atmospheric changes on the beaches in ... Fiji .. yeah Fiji would be nice... I mean, They are like down wind from China or something and well, China bad!


Only if you consider atmospheric temperature only...
 
2013-05-15 06:44:54 PM

gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: Show your work.

Nice try. NO.I  doubt the admins would take too kindly to me using this site to distro for this type of thing.

AKA "My dog ate it."

No, more like "I do not freely give away some things that I consider to be my I.P. (specifically the eWma myself and 3 others worked on during our quant work as it represents many, many man-hours of tuning and they also said NO).

BTW, you can see some examples of this if you have an unlazy bone in your body. GIS it. I am not the only one to do it, not by far.


Too shy to collect your nobel prize?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-15 06:56:54 PM

Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: gja: Shakin_Haitian: Show your work.

Nice try. NO.I  doubt the admins would take too kindly to me using this site to distro for this type of thing.

AKA "My dog ate it."

No, more like "I do not freely give away some things that I consider to be my I.P. (specifically the eWma myself and 3 others worked on during our quant work as it represents many, many man-hours of tuning and they also said NO).

BTW, you can see some examples of this if you have an unlazy bone in your body. GIS it. I am not the only one to do it, not by far.

Too shy to collect your nobel prize?


You're as funny as pancreatic cancer. Keep your day job.
 
2013-05-15 07:19:14 PM

gja: Too shy to collect your nobel prize?

You're as funny as pancreatic cancer. Keep your day job.


He raises a valid point.  If you have uncovered that all the climate scientists are wrong and can prove it, it would be one of the biggest stories of the past couple of decades.  Why haven't you done so?  Modest?  You like to see conflict? You want people to waste money?

Or is it that at the end of the day you argument basically boils down to the tired and old "climate's changed before"?
 
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