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(NPR)   Under IRS law, political organizations cannot be tax-exempt, so all applicants who used the words "Tea Party" or "Patriot" were required to prove in great detail they were a social welfare organization to qualify. Of course, this is TYRANNY   (npr.org) divider line 586
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2013-05-14 12:41:51 PM
So wait, all the Tea Party groups aren't politically aligned?

They just want tax-exempt status so they can continue to take soup and blankets to homeless people?
 
2013-05-14 12:46:42 PM
Repubs, from one side of their mouth: Target and investigate all brown people because a few brown people are bad!

Repubs, from the other side of their mouth: How dare you target and investigate Tea Party groups because some of them are bad!
 
2013-05-14 12:46:42 PM
"With Congress preparing to hold hearings on the IRS's holding conservative groups to extra scrutiny," Reuters reports, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Tuesday that he is "calling on the president to make available, completely and without restriction, everyone who can answer the questions we have as to what was going on at the IRS, who knew about it, and how high it went."

"No more stonewalling, no more incomplete answers, no more misleading responses, no holding back witnesses, no matter how senior their current or former positions - we need full transparency and cooperation," McConnell said on the Senate floor.


LOL. This farker is so transparent that I can use him as a windshield.
 
2013-05-14 12:48:04 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Repubs, from the other side of their mouth: How dare you target and investigate Tea Party groups because some of them are bad!


It's not even that they're bad. It's that they're political
 
2013-05-14 12:50:08 PM

Aarontology: It's not even that they're bad. It's that they're political


Which, as it pertains to tax-exempt status, is bad.
 
2013-05-14 12:52:56 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: It's not even that they're bad. It's that they're political

Which, as it pertains to tax-exempt status, is bad.


The incredible irony here is that Teatards want to be seen as Social Welfare groups for tax purposes..
 
2013-05-14 01:29:12 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Aarontology: It's not even that they're bad. It's that they're political

Which, as it pertains to tax-exempt status, is bad.


But they come with a free frogurt
 
2013-05-14 01:31:35 PM
GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas said, "I have been contacted by several of the groups in my district. And they feel like they are being harassed. I don't have any evidence that that is the case. But they feel like they have been harassed

They asked if they could skate on paying taxes.  The IRS asked them 'why?'.
That's the takeaway here people: Real Americans feel that it is oppressive to have to justify not paying taxes.
 
2013-05-14 02:19:00 PM
Karac: GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas said, "I have been contacted by several of the groups in my district. And they feel like they are being harassed. I don't have any evidence that that is the case. But they feel like they have been harassed

They asked if they could skate on paying taxes.  The IRS asked them 'why?'.
That's the takeaway here people: Real Americans feel that it is oppressive to have to justify not paying taxes.

Obama apparently feels it is oppressive, as does the IRS.
 
2013-05-14 02:24:05 PM

JerseyTim: "With Congress preparing to hold hearings on the IRS's holding conservative groups to extra scrutiny," Reuters reports, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Tuesday that he is "calling on the president to make available, completely and without restriction, everyone who can answer the questions we have as to what was going on at the IRS, who knew about it, and how high it went."


Of course, the President isn't allowed to talk to the IRS, so McConnell is asking the wrong person.
 
2013-05-14 02:53:42 PM
The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.
 
2013-05-14 02:58:32 PM
I'll believe the Tea Party is non-partisan when a non-Republican is welcomed into the congressional Tea Party Caucus.
 
2013-05-14 02:59:15 PM
Here is an easy way to tell if your group is a Social Welfare organization:


www.breadandlife.org

 Social Welfare Organization


VS


action.naacp.org

NOT a Social Welfare Organization.
 
2013-05-14 02:59:47 PM
 
2013-05-14 03:00:02 PM

Nabb1: The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.


So the IRS screwed-up.  Fine.  But, what about all these political organizations getting tax exemption under a clause which requires them to be primarily non-political?
 
2013-05-14 03:04:38 PM
Social Welfare Organization:

www.somi.org

NOT a Social Welfare organization:

clclt.com

/which one is the retard?
 
2013-05-14 03:04:39 PM
Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.
 
2013-05-14 03:04:50 PM

mrshowrules: Nabb1: The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.

So the IRS screwed-up.  Fine.  But, what about all these political organizations getting tax exemption under a clause which requires them to be primarily non-political?


Take it up with your Congressperson, I guess.  Of the 150 they reviewed, all of them were approved.  Some withdrew their applications citing frustration, but of the 150 that did undergo this "enhanced review" (I guess that's the accounting version of "enhanced interrogation"), all were approved.  So, the ones that went through this were found to be completely legit, according to the IRS.
 
2013-05-14 03:11:07 PM

DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.


Agreed.  Then we need to have the IRS put even greater scrutiny on 100% of all 501(c) 3 and 4 organizations.  Audit the fark out of all of them, from the Special Olympics to the Tea Party Patriots of Freedom from Big Government Liberty and Christian Morality Family America America America Constitution Crossroads Free Market John Birch Party.
 
2013-05-14 03:13:06 PM

doyner: DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.

Agreed.  Then we need to have the IRS put even greater scrutiny on 100% of all 501(c) 3 and 4 organizations.  Audit the fark out of all of them, from the Special Olympics to the Tea Party Patriots of Freedom from Big Government Liberty and Christian Morality Family America America America Constitution Crossroads Free Market John Birch Party.


Like drug-testing welfare recipients, the money you spend on the effort will likely dwarf the money netted or saved by the results.
 
2013-05-14 03:16:04 PM

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Nabb1: The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.

So the IRS screwed-up.  Fine.  But, what about all these political organizations getting tax exemption under a clause which requires them to be primarily non-political?

Take it up with your Congressperson, I guess.  Of the 150 they reviewed, all of them were approved.  Some withdrew their applications citing frustration, but of the 150 that did undergo this "enhanced review" (I guess that's the accounting version of "enhanced interrogation"), all were approved.  So, the ones that went through this were found to be completely legit, according to the IRS.


I'm writing my MP as we speak.  The IRS accepting your application doesn't mean they've found you legit, it just means they haven't found anything clear-cut to nail you with.
 
2013-05-14 03:17:05 PM

mrshowrules: I'm writing my MP as we speak.


MP? We beat those assholes in a war goddammit. I'll be damned if I'm going to use their argot.
 
2013-05-14 03:18:57 PM

doyner: DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.

Agreed.  Then we need to have the IRS put even greater scrutiny on 100% of all 501(c) 3 and 4 organizations.  Audit the fark out of all of them, from the Special Olympics to the Tea Party Patriots of Freedom from Big Government Liberty and Christian Morality Family America America America Constitution Crossroads Free Market John Birch Party.


Actually, a few years ago, they did.  Thousands of non-profits across the country were stripped of their 501(c)3 status after they failed to file their required 990s.
 
2013-05-14 03:21:33 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: doyner: DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.

Agreed.  Then we need to have the IRS put even greater scrutiny on 100% of all 501(c) 3 and 4 organizations.  Audit the fark out of all of them, from the Special Olympics to the Tea Party Patriots of Freedom from Big Government Liberty and Christian Morality Family America America America Constitution Crossroads Free Market John Birch Party.

Actually, a few years ago, they did.  Thousands of non-profits across the country were stripped of their 501(c)3 status after they failed to file their required 990s.


[imokwiththis.jpg]
 
2013-05-14 03:24:28 PM
Guys, 75 of 300 were targetted because of their titles. This is SOMETHING.

Now where be dat chicken?
 
2013-05-14 03:28:50 PM

Karac: GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas said, "I have been contacted by several of the groups in my district. And they feel like they are being harassed. I don't have any evidence that that is the case. But they feel like they have been harassed

They asked if they could skate on paying taxes.  The IRS asked them 'why?'.
That's the takeaway here people: Real Americans feel that it is oppressive to have to justify not paying taxes.


That's not the take away.  The problem (which the President himself has said is outrageous) is that this one office was primarily focusing on Tea Party groups for this extra scrutiny.  Almost every organization that got flagged for further questioning was a right wing group.  They were not doing similar with left leaning groups.  That's not just Republican hyperbole, that came straight out of the IRS Investigator General's report.

Are the Republican's making this into a bigger stink than it should be?  Absolutely.  But that doesn't mean there's nothing there that shouldn't be brought to light and the appropriate people punished.
 
2013-05-14 03:32:09 PM

doyner: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: doyner: DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired. It's really that simply.

Agreed.  Then we need to have the IRS put even greater scrutiny on 100% of all 501(c) 3 and 4 organizations.  Audit the fark out of all of them, from the Special Olympics to the Tea Party Patriots of Freedom from Big Government Liberty and Christian Morality Family America America America Constitution Crossroads Free Market John Birch Party.

Actually, a few years ago, they did.  Thousands of non-profits across the country were stripped of their 501(c)3 status after they failed to file their required 990s.

[imokwiththis.jpg]


Yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal for most 501(c)3s and the vast majority of those that didn't file were effectively defunct.  HOWEVER, there were a good number whose donors got a big shock when their contributions were no longer tax deductible.
 
2013-05-14 03:34:18 PM

Nabb1: The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.


Actually, he said, "This is pretty straightforward, if in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous and there's no place for it."

My guess, and I admit it's just a guess, these group that have reportedly complained were asked the same sorts of questions anyone who wanted to claim tax-exempt status would be asked, but because these aforementioned groups tend to lie at the "conspiracy level 10" end of the spectrum, they feel that they are the only ones being targeted. Or are you saying that the IRS should just take someone's word when they claim that they are tax-exempt?
 
2013-05-14 03:39:36 PM
So you can't have the word Patriot in your groups name?! That doesn't make sense unless you believe that one side is interested in being patriotic and the other isn't.

Last time I checked there was flag waving on both sides.
 
2013-05-14 03:43:06 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Nabb1: The IRS has apologized and even the President called it "outrageous."  Are people really continuing to try to make excuses for this?  I don't think the President personally had a hand in this, but come on.  Stop engaging in coitus with that farm poultry, already.

Actually, he said, "This is pretty straightforward, if in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous and there's no place for it."

My guess, and I admit it's just a guess, these group that have reportedly complained were asked the same sorts of questions anyone who wanted to claim tax-exempt status would be asked, but because these aforementioned groups tend to lie at the "conspiracy level 10" end of the spectrum, they feel that they are the only ones being targeted. Or are you saying that the IRS should just take someone's word when they claim that they are tax-exempt?


No, but when extra scrutiny is paid to people based on political bent, and when multiple people with the IRS have said, "This happened. It was wrong.  We should not have done that.  We apologize," then I am willing to believe that something wrong happened, probably over whatever people in Farkistan may have to say about it.  What more do you need?
 
2013-05-14 03:43:16 PM

Gecko Gingrich: My guess, and I admit it's just a guess, these group that have reportedly complained were asked the same sorts of questions anyone who wanted to claim tax-exempt status would be asked, but because these aforementioned groups tend to lie at the "conspiracy level 10" end of the spectrum, they feel that they are the only ones being targeted.


GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas said, "I have been contacted by several of the groups in my district. And they feel like they are being harassed. I don't have any evidence that that is the case. But they feel like they have been harassed

DING DING DING DING DING..
 
2013-05-14 03:43:31 PM
My question is how many politically charged 'liberal' organizations applied for the same exemption in the rough time period the IRS is accused of harassing the conservative ones? I do know of at least one Dem-leaning group, "Emerge America" that lost it's 501c in 2012 after being judged as too partisan.

While the IRS' behavior doesn't smell right, it's only a scandal if you can show me where they quickly approved a liberal group while simultaneously harassing Tea Party.net, et al. And if you can (I'm failing at Google today, so please show me), you still have to link Obama to endorsing it. Yeah, the buck has to stop somewhere but based on what I know (which admittedly may be too little) this simply isn't the scandal McConnell and his friends are salivating over. Sketchy, maybe, but all these comparisons to Watergate, et al seem like a stretch.
 
2013-05-14 03:43:42 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: So you can't have the word Patriot in your groups name?! That doesn't make sense unless you believe that one side is interested in being patriotic and the other isn't.

Last time I checked there was flag waving on both sides.


The rule unfairly targeted groups that were very linear and unimaginative in naming their organizations.  So, basically unfair to Conservatives.
 
2013-05-14 03:49:34 PM

Gecko Gingrich: My guess, and I admit it's just a guess, these group that have reportedly complained were asked the same sorts of questions anyone who wanted to claim tax-exempt status would be asked, but because these aforementioned groups tend to lie at the "conspiracy level 10" end of the spectrum, they feel that they are the only ones being targeted. Or are you saying that the IRS should just take someone's word when they claim that they are tax-exempt?


I'd venture that same guess. Modern Republicans and Tea-types are particularly well known for their proclivity for seeing oppression behind every tree. It's one of the reasons I roll my eyes when they position themselves as the Tough Guy Party. Halp! Haaaaalp! The liberals are being mean to me!
 
2013-05-14 03:54:59 PM

mrshowrules: The rule unfairly targeted groups that were very linear and unimaginative in naming their organizations. So, basically unfair to Conservatives


Too true. Liberal are better with naming their groups. Center for All Thing Wonderful. If you oppose them you're against wonderful things!! It really is all a PR thing and you're absolutely right, liberals are much better at it.
 
2013-05-14 03:56:40 PM
1) start a bunch of political organizations that aren't tax exempt because they're political
2) say you're tax exempt
3) claim the IRS investigated you because of politics
 
2013-05-14 03:57:14 PM
Another big potential issue here is whether the IRS' questions for conservative groups were overly exhaustive - a way of delaying and holding up applications. Backer says his application for TheTeaParty.net has taken more than three years. By contrast, he had helped a non-conservative educational organization apply for a 501(c)(3) and finished in just 68 days.

See, this is what I talking about upthread. What does "non-conservative" mean? We currently live in an environment where not explicitly endorsing or promoting 'conservative' ideals is seen as being "liberal" (see the very successful "liberal media" canard). Isn't it possible that this unnamed educational organization actually is just an educational organization? If this is the proof being offered, I'm sorry, but it doesn't validate claims of persecution.
 
2013-05-14 04:01:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mrshowrules: The rule unfairly targeted groups that were very linear and unimaginative in naming their organizations. So, basically unfair to Conservatives

Too true. Liberal are better with naming their groups. Center for All Thing Wonderful. If you oppose them you're against wonderful things!! It really is all a PR thing and you're absolutely right, liberals are much better at it.


You would do better if you actually named at least ONE existing organization.

For instance, I could bring up "National Organization for Marriage" as a group that fights against people having the right to get married.
 
2013-05-14 04:03:47 PM

ShawnDoc: Karac: GOP Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas said, "I have been contacted by several of the groups in my district. And they feel like they are being harassed. I don't have any evidence that that is the case. But they feel like they have been harassed

They asked if they could skate on paying taxes.  The IRS asked them 'why?'.
That's the takeaway here people: Real Americans feel that it is oppressive to have to justify not paying taxes.

That's not the take away.  The problem (which the President himself has said is outrageous) is that this one office was primarily focusing on Tea Party groups for this extra scrutiny.  Almost every organization that got flagged for further questioning was a right wing group.


75 out of 300 is hardly 'almost every organization'.
 
2013-05-14 04:04:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mrshowrules: The rule unfairly targeted groups that were very linear and unimaginative in naming their organizations. So, basically unfair to Conservatives

Too true. Liberal are better with naming their groups. Center for All Thing Wonderful. If you oppose them you're against wonderful things!! It really is all a PR thing and you're absolutely right, liberals are much better at it.


That crack I sold you this morning was supposed to last you all week, Stealth. Conservatives are notorious for obfuscating the true nature of their groups' (and legislation) names with words like "libertytm" and "right to work." It's cute that you think liberals are masterminds at this, but if I felt like being here all day I could make a list of conservative groups named for the exact opposite of what they actually do.
 
2013-05-14 04:05:30 PM
Liberals of Fark:

Imagine how you would feel if the IRS audited groups with "Occupy" or "Social Justice" in their name, without doing the same for Tea Party groups.

Pretty outraged, right?  What a crock of shiat?  That's how conservatives feel about this.
 
2013-05-14 04:07:59 PM

markie_farkie: So wait, all the Tea Party groups aren't politically aligned?

They just want tax-exempt status so they can continue to take soup and blankets tofrom homeless people?


FTFY
 
2013-05-14 04:09:10 PM
Yeah duh.

These people are known grifters.

The only scandal here is that the IRS isn't supposed to look in to these things.
 
2013-05-14 04:09:55 PM

Captain Dan: Liberals of Fark:

Imagine how you would feel if the IRS audited groups with "Occupy" or "Social Justice" in their name, without doing the same for Tea Party groups.

Pretty outraged, right?  What a crock of shiat?  That's how conservatives feel about this.


Nope.  I wouldn't be.

If I'm driving 65 in a 55 right behind someone else who's doing the exact same thing, but the highway patrolman only pulls me over and not the both of us - then I can't use 'Hey - that other guy was speeding too! Why didn't you stop him!' as a way to get out of a ticket.  Believe me, I've tried.
 
2013-05-14 04:10:05 PM

DamnYankees: Why are liberals trying to defend this? It's not defensible. This was wrong, and whoever did it, if it happens, needs to be fired jailed . It's really that simply.

 
2013-05-14 04:10:09 PM

dickfreckle: Another big potential issue here is whether the IRS' questions for conservative groups were overly exhaustive - a way of delaying and holding up applications. Backer says his application for TheTeaParty.net has taken more than three years. By contrast, he had helped a non-conservative educational organization apply for a 501(c)(3) and finished in just 68 days.

See, this is what I talking about upthread. What does "non-conservative" mean? We currently live in an environment where not explicitly endorsing or promoting 'conservative' ideals is seen as being "liberal" (see the very successful "liberal media" canard). Isn't it possible that this unnamed educational organization actually is just an educational organization? If this is the proof being offered, I'm sorry, but it doesn't validate claims of persecution.


Now that I look at this post, it's farking stupid and I apologize. I'm just so accustomed to seeing anything that isn't explicitly conservative as being "liberal" that I misconstrued the quote. I wish the writer would have said "apolitical" instead of "non-conservative," which is what set off the bell in my head.
 
2013-05-14 04:10:11 PM

Captain Dan: Liberals of Fark:

Imagine how you would feel if the IRS audited groups with "Occupy" or "Social Justice" in their name, without doing the same for Tea Party groups.

Pretty outraged, right?  What a crock of shiat?  That's how conservatives feel about this.


fark how they feel. There is no scandal.
 
2013-05-14 04:11:05 PM

Captain Dan: Liberals of Fark:

Imagine how you would feel if the IRS audited groups with "Occupy" or "Social Justice" in their name, without doing the same for Tea Party groups.

Pretty outraged, right?  What a crock of shiat?  That's how conservatives feel about this.


How are liberals generally responding to this? The IRS should be impartial and stop all sham social welfare groups from committing tax fraud.

How are conservatives generally responding to this? The IRS should be abolished, and Obama's a piece of shiat and should be impeached.
 
2013-05-14 04:11:37 PM

markie_farkie: So wait, all the Tea Party groups aren't politically aligned?

They just want tax-exempt status so they can continue to take soup and blankets to homeless people?


Like that, only they take the soup and blankets away and keep them for themselves.  Because Ayn Rand.
 
2013-05-14 04:12:37 PM

Captain Dan: Liberals of Fark:

Imagine how you would feel if the IRS audited groups with "Occupy" or "Social Justice" in their name, without doing the same for Tea Party groups.

Pretty outraged, right?  What a crock of shiat?  That's how conservatives feel about this.


Captain Dan, It's pointless to use logic in this thread because almost all the Liberals in here hate Conservatives with a passion and won't listen to reason.
 
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