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(ESPN FC)   One year after winning the team's first title in 44 years, and taking the team to second place this year, Manchester City fires coach Roberto Mancini. Bonus: he had four years remaining on his contract. Also, this is your stealth midweek EPL thread   (espnfc.com) divider line 159
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2013-05-14 09:23:29 PM

star_topology: Langston: Gonz: C'mon, you plucky Little Team That Could- avoid relegation!

I'd said earlier that it would be really problematic if Arsenal were to drop today's game (not just CL qualifying, but would affect everything down to their wage structure), but regardless of the outcome, it's hard to dislike Wigan.

star_topology: Whether you're a Spurs fan or Arsenal fan... THIS.

I told another Arsenal friend of mine that I wished last year that it sucked that your guys played so well all season and earned fourth place, only to get bumped out with Chelski's surprise upset win against Bayern. I'd honestly rather see Chelski stumble out of the CL.

Based on that, and it might seem like sour grapes, but I truly believe PL deserves a 5th (maybe even 6th) qualifying place, just based on the  competitiveness of the past few seasons.


I have to disagree. In no way, shape or form does the EPL deserve another spot in the UCL, especially when you take into consideration that Germany only has three, and yet here we stand with two German teams in the final, and one of those teams has been in the final three times in the last four years. So if any country deserves another spot, it's Germany.

England's current battle for the top four isn't more exciting that Spain's at the moment either. Real Sociedad (who just came up from relegation) Valencia, Malaga (who won't be able to compete next season in the UCL because of financial issues) and Real Betis can all claim the #4 spot in La Liga. It's actually more exciting in a way, because if Valencia shait the bed and don't get into the Top Four, they'll have to sell stars like Soldado and Guaita. (Guaita has, for my money, been the best keeper in Spain this season.)

The EPL's performances in Europe were terrible this season. They just don't deserve another spot.

/Bayern fan.
//Massive soft spot for La Liga.
///Don't hate the EPL, I just don't watch it as much.
 
2013-05-14 09:45:47 PM

Zyme: Rwa2play: Mr_H: C'mon Wigan, I believe in you!

/enters his FFPL 2-0 Arsenal victory prediction.
//chews nails

As an Arsenal fan I'm insulted that it had to go this far.  I want Arsenal to win tonight and Sunday...but there's a side of me that thinks sliding down to that Europa League spot would be the slap in the face the club and Wenger have needed for a very long time.  It's magnified by a) Swansea out-Arsenaling Arsenal and b) both Swansea and Wigan winning trophies with far smaller squads than Arsenal.

It annoyed me that Wenger didn't even consider signing someone other than Monreal in January.  Even more so that he thought that Giroud and Podolski would make up for losing RvP.

Maybe the beatdown Munich gave them was even more of a wake up call...but I'll believe that Arsenal are serious about spending big when they actually do in the summer.

Neymar, make it happen


If we're gonna spend that type of money, only one player comes to mind: Cavani from Napoli.
 
2013-05-14 09:48:12 PM

Trocadero: mitchcumstein1: star_topology: HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?

I'm wondering if it's more to do with the players, who deep down must know they are part of a feeder club, who might have their sights set on a transfer to a bigger club and thus "winning" isn't really on their collective minds?

I'm going to bet that professional athletes, of any kind, are wildly competitive and want to win more than anything in the world.

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You'd think so...


They have the will to win. They just don't have the ability.
 
2013-05-15 04:30:46 AM
As another Gunner I have mentally prepared for the inevitable drop out of the CL. This seems to be the only significant event that will force the bigger decisions. They can't go on with medium quality players throughout the squad. I have experienced them this season as lackluster and inconsistent. Moments of brilliance mixed with amateur actions. There are a number of players that are good, but have definite weaknesses, and not really any stars. This is my POV...

Also don't forget that the goals last night mainly came from poor defensive strategies, or just plain lapse on the Wigan side.

To be champions a team needs more than what the current Arsenal has, even if it is just belief or desire.
 
2013-05-15 06:31:08 AM

Rwa2play: If we're gonna spend that type of money, only one player comes to mind: Cavani from Napoli.


Arsenal are going to be a selling club for at least another 5 years, if not more. If they didn't have Wenger and the constant competitiveness he has been able to manage without really spending much (relatively speaking), they would probably have "done a Leeds" long ago and had to declare bankruptcy, lose most of their players and been relegated.

http://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/#page:1_sort:4_directio n: desc_search:
 
2013-05-15 07:03:36 AM

KaisertheCoyote: star_topology: Langston: Gonz: C'mon, you plucky Little Team That Could- avoid relegation!

I'd said earlier that it would be really problematic if Arsenal were to drop today's game (not just CL qualifying, but would affect everything down to their wage structure), but regardless of the outcome, it's hard to dislike Wigan.

star_topology: Whether you're a Spurs fan or Arsenal fan... THIS.

I told another Arsenal friend of mine that I wished last year that it sucked that your guys played so well all season and earned fourth place, only to get bumped out with Chelski's surprise upset win against Bayern. I'd honestly rather see Chelski stumble out of the CL.

Based on that, and it might seem like sour grapes, but I truly believe PL deserves a 5th (maybe even 6th) qualifying place, just based on the  competitiveness of the past few seasons.

I have to disagree. In no way, shape or form does the EPL deserve another spot in the UCL, especially when you take into consideration that Germany only has three, and yet here we stand with two German teams in the final, and one of those teams has been in the final three times in the last four years. So if any country deserves another spot, it's Germany.

England's current battle for the top four isn't more exciting that Spain's at the moment either. Real Sociedad (who just came up from relegation) Valencia, Malaga (who won't be able to compete next season in the UCL because of financial issues) and Real Betis can all claim the #4 spot in La Liga. It's actually more exciting in a way, because if Valencia shait the bed and don't get into the Top Four, they'll have to sell stars like Soldado and Guaita. (Guaita has, for my money, been the best keeper in Spain this season.)

The EPL's performances in Europe were terrible this season. They just don't deserve another spot.

/Bayern fan.
//Massive soft spot for La Liga.
///Don't hate the EPL, I just don't watch it as much.


Germany will be getting 4 spots next season with Italy dropping down to 3. I don't think the EPL deserves more than 5, but Chelsea will most likely win the Europa league and United were a horrible red card away from taking out Madrid. Chelsea won the Champs league last year and England has been the most consistent country in Europe in the last 5-7 years.
 
2013-05-15 12:29:09 PM

xria: Rwa2play: If we're gonna spend that type of money, only one player comes to mind: Cavani from Napoli.

Arsenal are going to be a selling club for at least another 5 years, if not more. If they didn't have Wenger and the constant competitiveness he has been able to manage without really spending much (relatively speaking), they would probably have "done a Leeds" long ago and had to declare bankruptcy, lose most of their players and been relegated.

http://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/#page:1_sort:4_directio n: desc_search:


This. I don't know where the meme "Wenger won't spend" came from, it's completely obvious he never has any funds and is perfectly fine taking the heat for it. People seem to think he's farking Scrooge McDuck or something, swimming in transfer funds that he can't bring himself to spend.
 
2013-05-15 02:45:50 PM
Benficas' coach is Jesus?
 
2013-05-15 02:48:29 PM
Just as a heads-up to anybody that's looking to discuss the Europa league final; I bumped a fresh thread to the top of the Sports tab a few moments ago.
 
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