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(ESPN FC)   One year after winning the team's first title in 44 years, and taking the team to second place this year, Manchester City fires coach Roberto Mancini. Bonus: he had four years remaining on his contract. Also, this is your stealth midweek EPL thread   (espnfc.com) divider line 159
    More: Strange, Roberto Mancini, Manchester City, FA Cup Final, director of football, Samir Nasri, Pep Guardiola, UEFA Champions League, Van Persie  
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2013-05-14 04:09:31 PM  
Ramsey. Seriously
 
2013-05-14 04:10:27 PM  
Whew
 
2013-05-14 04:10:36 PM  
C'mon Wigan, there's still....ahh...nevermind.
 
2013-05-14 04:10:38 PM  
Bah. Well shiat.
 
2013-05-14 04:10:42 PM  
3-1!!!! Poldolski chips in another!!!!
 
2013-05-14 04:10:49 PM  
POLDI!!!
 
2013-05-14 04:11:12 PM  
3 assists for Cazorla
 
2013-05-14 04:12:00 PM  
Ramsey still sucks.
 
2013-05-14 04:12:03 PM  

star_topology: Mr_H: star_topology:

On a tangential note, I just started playing Football Manager 2013. OH. MY. GOD.

I had to uninstall FM 2012...it was taking up far too much of my time.

Question:
Is there any real "skill" to the game or does it just scratch the itch of managing a club, wheeling and dealing, developing the youth squad, experimenting with tactics, etc?

I've started two campaigns, one with Aston Villa and one with Tottenham. I use similar tactics but still admittedly have a lot of homework to do on that, but it seems that it's all about personnel, there's no overachieving or underachieving ... My Spurs team scores a ton of goals while Villa's concede a metric ton of them, and I went on a 12 game winless run to start a season.


I'm not sure there is.  It seems like Football Manager is either dead easy or the hardest game in the world, at least to me.  I've played three versions of FM.  First one (I think it was 1998) they made you start in the Conference, and I had to cheat massively just to make it to what was then called Division Three only to get relegated again.  Second one (2000) I started with Aberdeen FC and won the Champions League in season three (4-0 against Real Madrid in the final).  I tried again this year with 2013 and it seemed like the game never let me take any control...my Oxford City club would win several games running then start losing games to crazy own goals, missed penalties, and phantom red cards.  Not that it mattered, our club was losing shedloads of money because even when we got to 2nd in the league we were drawing bumper crowds of 200.
 
2013-05-14 04:13:21 PM  

TonnageVT: Part of me hopes Wigan goes down, just so we can say City lost to a Championship club.


BTW, any words on Moyes taking over?
 
2013-05-14 04:13:34 PM  
Ramsey getting in on the act.
 
2013-05-14 04:13:42 PM  
I stand by my statement.
 
2013-05-14 04:13:54 PM  
Ramsey?!!?!?!?!??!?!

***checks out the window for locusts....

4-1 Arsenal
 
2013-05-14 04:13:54 PM  
Ramsey scored?!

REPENT, FOR THE END IS NIGH
 
2013-05-14 04:14:21 PM  
Is that a 4th assist for Cazorla? Ramsey still sucks. Agreed
 
2013-05-14 04:14:58 PM  

Langston: Ramsey scored?!

REPENT, FOR THE END IS NIGH


Somebody famous is gonna kick the bucket...and Wigan will be going down.

/Sorry Latics
 
2013-05-14 04:15:00 PM  
Just last night, a team came back from a 4-1 deficit in a decisive game...

We can dream, can't we?
 
2013-05-14 04:16:22 PM  
Wow, when Wigan collapses....

They still got a chance, but, yeah...probably not.
The Third Man:

I'm not sure there is.  It seems like Football Manager is either dead easy or the hardest game in the world, at least to me.

Some matches I destroyed the opposition (10-0), other times I get destroyed.  I probably should adjust the difficulty level down or something.
 
2013-05-14 04:16:55 PM  

star_topology: Just last night, a team came back from a 4-1 deficit in a decisive game...

We can dream, can't we?


We can. We can also hit ourselves in the shins with a ball-peen hammer.

Neither are good ideas.
 
2013-05-14 04:17:07 PM  
Confirmed 4 assists for Cazorla
 
2013-05-14 04:17:53 PM  
Well that game went downhill in a hurry.
 
2013-05-14 04:18:38 PM  

The Third Man: star_topology: Mr_H: star_topology:

On a tangential note, I just started playing Football Manager 2013. OH. MY. GOD.

I had to uninstall FM 2012...it was taking up far too much of my time.

Question:
Is there any real "skill" to the game or does it just scratch the itch of managing a club, wheeling and dealing, developing the youth squad, experimenting with tactics, etc?

I've started two campaigns, one with Aston Villa and one with Tottenham. I use similar tactics but still admittedly have a lot of homework to do on that, but it seems that it's all about personnel, there's no overachieving or underachieving ... My Spurs team scores a ton of goals while Villa's concede a metric ton of them, and I went on a 12 game winless run to start a season.

I'm not sure there is.  It seems like Football Manager is either dead easy or the hardest game in the world, at least to me.  I've played three versions of FM.  First one (I think it was 1998) they made you start in the Conference, and I had to cheat massively just to make it to what was then called Division Three only to get relegated again.  Second one (2000) I started with Aberdeen FC and won the Champions League in season three (4-0 against Real Madrid in the final).  I tried again this year with 2013 and it seemed like the game never let me take any control...my Oxford City club would win several games running then start losing games to crazy own goals, missed penalties, and phantom red cards.  Not that it mattered, our club was losing shedloads of money because even when we got to 2nd in the league we were drawing bumper crowds of 200.



It's probably what Mr_Hsuggested, a lot of baby steps and fine-tuning.

I am finding though that the in-game tactics help a little bit. For Villa, I shout to "lob crosses" for Benteke when he's playing. Not sure how to make that a default tactic though and I think I have more success using a "Instant Result" rather than watching the games play out.
 
2013-05-14 04:19:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Well that game went downhill in a hurry.


And Citeh fans are wondering "Why couldn't we do that to them at the weekend?!"

/Because you're not Arsenal
 
2013-05-14 04:19:49 PM  
I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?
 
2013-05-14 04:20:23 PM  
Why play Wilshere at this point? He's not 100% and you don't need him.
 
2013-05-14 04:20:32 PM  
star_topology:
I am finding though that the in-game tactics help a little bit. For Villa, I shout to "lob crosses" for Benteke when he's playing. Not sure how to make that a default tactic though and I think I have more success using a "Instant Result" rather than watching the games play out.

When I watch the game play out I have more chances to try and micromanage and thus screw up.  Instant Result probably saves you from yourself.
 
2013-05-14 04:22:46 PM  

Rwa2play: cameroncrazy1984: Well that game went downhill in a hurry.

And Citeh fans are wondering "Why couldn't we do that to them at the weekend?!"



Because NIAC
 
2013-05-14 04:23:23 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?


I'm wondering if it's more to do with the players, who deep down must know they are part of a feeder club, who might have their sights set on a transfer to a bigger club and thus "winning" isn't really on their collective minds?
 
2013-05-14 04:25:14 PM  

star_topology: HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?

I'm wondering if it's more to do with the players, who deep down must know they are part of a feeder club, who might have their sights set on a transfer to a bigger club and thus "winning" isn't really on their collective minds?


I'm going to bet that professional athletes, of any kind, are wildly competitive and want to win more than anything in the world.
 
2013-05-14 04:25:50 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?


Injuries and Kone in Africa cup plays a part too.  But every team has to deal with that too.  What's impressive about Roberto is that he put together a competitive (inexperienced) squad with minimal budget.  couple that with each year he loses players via transfers.

But I agree, the EPL is probably better off without Wigan.
 
2013-05-14 04:26:34 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Why play Wilshere at this point? He's not 100% and you don't need him.


I'd bet it's to just find a balance between keeping him relatively match fit without giving him enough time to do any real damage.

StRalphTheLiar: Because NIAC


Yes.
 
2013-05-14 04:28:31 PM  
Is Squillaci on the bench? He needs to get into the stat sheet this season!
 
2013-05-14 04:29:06 PM  

bennett311: HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?

Injuries and Kone in Africa cup plays a part too.  But every team has to deal with that too.  What's impressive about Roberto is that he put together a competitive (inexperienced) squad with minimal budget.  couple that with each year he loses players via transfers.

But I agree, the EPL is probably better off without Wigan.


Yeah we lost Gervinho and stopped sucking for a bit

/don't actually remember what happened when he was away
 
2013-05-14 04:29:35 PM  

Langston: I'd bet it's to just find a balance between keeping him relatively match fit without giving him enough time to do any real damage.


I get that, but he's having surgery to fix his ankle, and it appears that they're playing in a monsoon, just seems like a risk that doesn't need to be taken.

Granted, Wenger has forgotten more about the game than I could ever know, but it just seems silly.
 
2013-05-14 04:36:11 PM  
I'm glad Villa is safe. I'm optimistic about what that group of players can achieve, if they stick together.
 
2013-05-14 04:36:11 PM  

mitchcumstein1: star_topology: HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?

I'm wondering if it's more to do with the players, who deep down must know they are part of a feeder club, who might have their sights set on a transfer to a bigger club and thus "winning" isn't really on their collective minds?

I'm going to bet that professional athletes, of any kind, are wildly competitive and want to win more than anything in the world.


upload.wikimedia.org
www.underconsideration.com
You'd think so...
 
2013-05-14 04:36:36 PM  
Welcome to musical managers, MCFC.  It blows, as your manager can never get a system in place in build around it before he's fired and there's a new plan.

/Chelsea
 
2013-05-14 04:36:49 PM  

Rwa2play: TonnageVT: Part of me hopes Wigan goes down, just so we can say City lost to a Championship club.

BTW, any words on Moyes taking over?


Extremely delighted it's him over Mourinho, extremely excited, yet anxious, to see what he does over the off season.

Overall, I'm very happy with the appointment. He's a class manager, he's done amazingly well with Everton's budget, now it's time to see what he does with United.

/Bringing over Baines would be a good start
 
2013-05-14 04:38:30 PM  

star_topology: HaywoodJablonski: I repeat myself from earlier. If Wigan and Roberto Martinez are such hot shiat, why do they only have 35 points and why are they getting relegated?

I'm wondering if it's more to do with the players, who deep down must know they are part of a feeder club, who might have their sights set on a transfer to a bigger club and thus "winning" isn't really on their collective minds?


I mean Swansea had the quality and, hey, they'll be in the League next season.  Wigan did have some significant injuries that they had to deal with.  For a paper thin squad like theirs, that's not helpful.
 
2013-05-14 04:39:33 PM  
And that's that for Wigan Athletic.

Sadly, they may never come back up again; especially if Martinez moves on.
 
2013-05-14 04:41:10 PM  

Trocadero: You'd think so...


The Bobcats are terribly managed.

The Astros?? Those guys probably just aren't good enough to be Major League players.
 
2013-05-14 04:45:52 PM  

Daniels: Welcome to musical managers, MCFC.  It blows, as your manager can never get a system in place in build around it before he's fired and there's a new plan.

/Chelsea


Yep. It seems to be the double-edged sword of the billionaire owner(s) that they like to buy great players, but have little patience for their coaches. It's a shame.
 
2013-05-14 04:48:11 PM  
Been fun Wigan.
 
2013-05-14 04:52:35 PM  

StRalphTheLiar: Is Squillaci on the bench? He needs to get into the stat sheet this season!


So now that I said that, I had to go see if he has actually played this season, and I found 2 interesting tidbits.

1. He did make a single appearance in the CL group stage.
Sebastien started against Olympiacos in the Champions League and was an unused substitute in the Capital One Cup defeat to Bradford.

2. Someone must have made a very convincing fake ID to get him into an Under-21 game.
Sebastien did not feature for the first team in March, though he did make an appearance in Arsenal Under-21s' 1-1 draw at West Ham United.
 
2013-05-14 04:56:52 PM  
Let this sink in for a minute....

After 37 rounds, Arsenal have the 2nd best defensive record in the PL.
 
2013-05-14 04:57:30 PM  

ADubs86: Been fun Wigan.


Yep.

So we know who's going down. Saturday's all about the CL, right? 3 teams for 2 spots?
 
2013-05-14 05:05:18 PM  

StRalphTheLiar: Let this sink in for a minute....

After 37 rounds, Arsenal have the 2nd best defensive record in the PL.


Had they not sold RvP or replaced him with a decent goal scorer, they'd be at least 2nd, if not winning the title.
 
2013-05-14 05:22:43 PM  

Gonz: ADubs86: Been fun Wigan.

Yep.

So we know who's going down. Saturday's Sunday's all about the CL, right? 3 teams for 2 spots?


2 Teams essentially. Chelsea have 72, the max Tottenham can get, and have a way superior goal difference. They're in unless they lose huge to Everton and Spurs win huge against Sunderland. A 17 goal swing is necessary to take the Blues out of CL now.

I surmise that Fox Soccer and ESPN will flip a coin, just like last season. One will take the Arsenal game, the other takes the Spurs game. Seeing as Arsenal are ahead in the table right now, I'd bet ESPN takes Newcastle - Arsenal.
 
2013-05-14 06:00:36 PM  
UPDATE

Chelsea: Everton
Arsenal: @Newcastle
Spurs: Sunderland

3rd place - Believe it or not, still in play! A Chelsea loss and Arsenal win would make Arsenal 3rd. A Chelsea draw and an Arsenal win by 2 gives Arsenal the edge. There is also a scenario where Arsenal wins 3rd with a 1 goal win, but it's more complicated.

4th place - The above scenarios would leave Chelsea in 4th; Spurs cannot reasonably make up the goal difference on either opponent. Between Arsenal and Spurs, Spurs can only pass Arsenal with a win and an Arsenal draw or loss.
 
2013-05-14 06:03:08 PM  

Rwa2play: Mr_H: C'mon Wigan, I believe in you!

/enters his FFPL 2-0 Arsenal victory prediction.
//chews nails

As an Arsenal fan I'm insulted that it had to go this far.  I want Arsenal to win tonight and Sunday...but there's a side of me that thinks sliding down to that Europa League spot would be the slap in the face the club and Wenger have needed for a very long time.  It's magnified by a) Swansea out-Arsenaling Arsenal and b) both Swansea and Wigan winning trophies with far smaller squads than Arsenal.

It annoyed me that Wenger didn't even consider signing someone other than Monreal in January.  Even more so that he thought that Giroud and Podolski would make up for losing RvP.

Maybe the beatdown Munich gave them was even more of a wake up call...but I'll believe that Arsenal are serious about spending big when they actually do in the summer.


Neymar, make it happen
 
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