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2013-05-14 10:13:57 AM  
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2013-05-14 10:14:46 AM  
what records?
what weapons sent to cartels?
what lack of enforcement when House members cheat on their taxes?
 
2013-05-14 10:14:52 AM  
When in a corner, a bald face lie is not always the first best choice.
 
2013-05-14 10:15:45 AM  
Does this put the White House on the record as saying they knew nothing about the phone records or is there some hidden meaning to Carney's words?
 
2013-05-14 10:16:33 AM  
What are the chances the WH would be involved with this. And why would they be involved?
 
2013-05-14 10:17:58 AM  
Holder's done some good work on social issues, but he has a shiatty track record in other areas.  Fast and Furious was rather poorly thought out, now he's taking the phone records of journalists, and of course his crowning moment of scumbaggery were the Drone Strikes Memos.
 
2013-05-14 10:18:07 AM  

Cletus C.: Does this put the White House on the record as saying they knew nothing about the phone records or is there some hidden meaning to Carney's words?


We're not sure.  'It was a long time ago'.  So, there's that.....
 
2013-05-14 10:18:28 AM  
The DoJ wasn't doing political spying. They were doing FBI-related spying.
 
2013-05-14 10:18:52 AM  

Mrtraveler01: What are the chances the WH would be involved with this. And why would they be involved?


The DoD and DoJ are currently going after leaks to the media. The only reason the media is pissed is because if the government is successful the media will have to find new sources. Nothing illegal was done.
 
2013-05-14 10:19:01 AM  

Mrtraveler01: What are the chances the WH would be involved with this. And why would they be involved?


After all these fake scandals, you can't seriously think Conservatives are gonna let a little thing like rational thought stop them.
 
2013-05-14 10:20:57 AM  
What do Holder and 0bama talk about then in their meetings?

Holder:  We are trying to find some leaks.
0bama:  Did you call a plumber?
Holder:  Oh man, that is funny.
0bama:  You know what else is funny?  Tina Fey.  Her Palin impression still cracks me up.
Holder:   Me too, I have that Alaska clip on my iPhone!
0bama:  Me too!  Anything else?
 
2013-05-14 10:22:37 AM  

Emposter: Mrtraveler01: What are the chances the WH would be involved with this. And why would they be involved?

After all these fake scandals, you can't seriously think Conservatives are gonna let a little thing like rational thought stop them.


Oh I know. But I always find it entertaining when they try to dodge a question like that.
 
2013-05-14 10:23:50 AM  
I predict a lot of "I don't recall."  Or in the vase of Jay Carney, video
 
2013-05-14 10:27:11 AM  
Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful
 
2013-05-14 10:28:35 AM  

raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful


Actually, I can't imagine that the press likes their phones taped.  This might go somewhere if they want to take their own profession seriously anymore.  Not necessarily to Obama, but it seems a big violation for the government to secretly wiretap the press.
 
2013-05-14 10:35:46 AM  

I_C_Weener: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

Actually, I can't imagine that the press likes their phones taped.  This might go somewhere if they want to take their own profession seriously anymore.  Not necessarily to Obama, but it seems a big violation for the government to secretly wiretap the press.


That's not what happened. But don't let that stop you're furious masturbation.
 
2013-05-14 10:36:51 AM  

I_C_Weener: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

Actually, I can't imagine that the press likes their phones taped.  This might go somewhere if they want to take their own profession seriously anymore.  Not necessarily to Obama, but it seems a big violation for the government to secretly wiretap the press.


They seized records, right? They didn't actually listen in on phone conversations, as in tapping. At least that's the story now.
 
2013-05-14 10:36:58 AM  

Tor_Eckman: I_C_Weener: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

Actually, I can't imagine that the press likes their phones taped.  This might go somewhere if they want to take their own profession seriously anymore.  Not necessarily to Obama, but it seems a big violation for the government to secretly wiretap the press.

That's not what happened. But don't let that stop you're furious masturbation.


Your even. Damn you autocorrect.
 
2013-05-14 10:37:24 AM  

raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful


1) Fast and Furious: bureaucratic scandal
2) Solyndra: non-scandal
3) Benghazi: non-scandal
4) IRS: low-level bureaucratic scandal
5) AP Subpoenas:  ?
 
2013-05-14 10:41:35 AM  
Can you imagine the Republican outrage if the Obama White House failed to investigate the national security leaks that occurred here? You know how cranky they get whenever someone burns a CIA asset.
 
2013-05-14 10:48:13 AM  

WTF Indeed: Mrtraveler01: What are the chances the WH would be involved with this. And why would they be involved?

The DoD and DoJ are currently going after leaks to the media. The only reason the media is pissed is because if the government is successful the media will have to find new sources. Nothing illegal was done.


I don't get why this is hard to understand.
 
2013-05-14 10:50:11 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: When in a corner, a bald face lie is not always the first best choice.


how do you know it's a lie?
 
2013-05-14 10:51:59 AM  

mrshowrules: 5) AP Subpoenas: ?


While the PATRIOT ACT is in place, it is not a scandal.

What congress needs to to do repeal the PATRIOT ACT and all the domestic spying it allows.
 
2013-05-14 10:56:20 AM  
Will you defend Obama when he tells you that your children deserved to be ass raped and he did it for your own good?
 
2013-05-14 11:09:44 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Will you defend Obama when he tells you that your children deserved to be ass raped and he did it for your own good?


I predict your statement will draw a large amount of attacks.
 
2013-05-14 11:10:54 AM  
Ever since Burnett explained it would be morally wrong to get Chinese companies to stop putting a poisonous filler in food for the American market, I always hoped she'd fill Michele Bachmann's shoes someday.


www.mediaite.com
 
2013-05-14 11:15:54 AM  

mrshowrules: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

1) Fast and Furious: bureaucratic scandal
2) Solyndra: non-scandal
3) Benghazi: non-scandal
4) IRS: low-level bureaucratic scandal
5) AP Subpoenas:  ?


To big to jail
HSBC banking for drug lords, Iran and AQ
Drone striking US citizens
"Most Transparent <REDACTED> <REDACTED><REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> "

And Benghazi is a bureaucratic scandal of the state department as per their own internal investigation
 
2013-05-14 11:31:49 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Will you defend Obama when he tells you that your children deserved to be ass raped and he did it for your own good?


you know for a fact that he's going to do this?
 
2013-05-14 11:38:06 AM  
How long before the whole world just switches to using "burners" for all their communication.
 
2013-05-14 11:47:51 AM  

ManateeGag: jehovahs witness protection: Will you defend Obama when he tells you that your children deserved to be ass raped and he did it for your own good?

you know for a fact that he's going to do this?


boy, they do love their homosexual imagery, don't they. it's almost as if it occupies an inordinate amount of space in their brains.
 
2013-05-14 11:49:16 AM  

ShadowKamui: mrshowrules: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

1) Fast and Furious: bureaucratic scandal
2) Solyndra: non-scandal
3) Benghazi: non-scandal
4) IRS: low-level bureaucratic scandal
5) AP Subpoenas:  ?

To big to jail
HSBC banking for drug lords, Iran and AQ

Good point

Drone striking US citizens
in Yemen?  Please.

"Most Transparent <REDACTED> <REDACTED><REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> "
Obama has the most transparent administration in modern history.

And Benghazi is a bureaucratic scandal of the state department as per their own internal investigation


Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the "Department") resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place

This is not a scandal.  This is realizing a problem and something that could have been done to prevent a tragedy.  A scandal would have been not acknowledging this.  Here's a tip, whenever someone is killed, something could have been done in hindsight to prevent it.  There was no criminal intent.  There were mistakes made.
 
2013-05-14 11:54:35 AM  

FlashHarry: ManateeGag: jehovahs witness protection: Will you defend Obama when he tells you that your children deserved to be ass raped and he did it for your own good?

you know for a fact that he's going to do this?

boy, they do love their homosexual imagery, don't they. it's almost as if it occupies an inordinate amount of space in their brains.


this isn't just homosexual, it's possibly pedophilia.  it's a sickness.
 
2013-05-14 12:00:32 PM  

ManateeGag: this isn't just homosexual, it's possibly pedophilia.  it's a sickness.


well, i wish they'd stop ramming their thick, veiny, throbbing imagery down my throat!
 
2013-05-14 12:08:25 PM  

FlashHarry: ManateeGag: this isn't just homosexual, it's possibly pedophilia.  it's a sickness.

well, i wish they'd stop ramming their thick, veiny, throbbing imagery down my throat!


there goes my appetite.
 
2013-05-14 12:09:19 PM  
Dear GOP:
Rememeber when you called me a terrorist sympathizer and even a traitor for suggesting that the Patriot Act was a a bad Idea?  Remember when you countered my conerns about the FBI's power to demand nearly unlimited data with nothing more than a "national security letter" by saying that if I wasn't doing anything wrong, had nothing to hide, then why did I care?  Remember how I told you that power is ALWAYS abused and that one day, someone you disagreed with was going to be weilding that power?

That clucking you are hearing now?  Those would be the chickens you hatched coming home to roost
 
2013-05-14 12:13:03 PM  

Cletus C.: I_C_Weener: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

Actually, I can't imagine that the press likes their phones taped.  This might go somewhere if they want to take their own profession seriously anymore.  Not necessarily to Obama, but it seems a big violation for the government to secretly wiretap the press.

They seized records, right? They didn't actually listen in on phone conversations, as in tapping. At least that's the story now.


Long before even the Patriot Act greatly expanded their powers in this regard, the Courts had long ruled that "pin registers" that record what numbers call or recieve calls from a particular phone number did not require a warrant to install.  You see, the courts say you have no reasonable expectation of privacy for that data, as it is the phone company that owns that line, not you.   BTW they same the same things about your bank records.  those beling to the Bank, not you personally, so going through them violates no law.
 
2013-05-14 12:27:40 PM  

mrshowrules: ShadowKamui: mrshowrules: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

1) Fast and Furious: bureaucratic scandal
2) Solyndra: non-scandal
3) Benghazi: non-scandal
4) IRS: low-level bureaucratic scandal
5) AP Subpoenas:  ?

To big to jail
HSBC banking for drug lords, Iran and AQ
Good point

Drone striking US citizens
in Yemen?  Please.


Just because they're in a foreign country doesn't mean you can suddenly skip due process.  Its one thing to blow them up in a training camp, its another to blow up a cafe or some dude walking down the street
 

"Most Transparent <REDACTED> <REDACTED><REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> "
Obama has the most transparent administration in modern history.


Releasing a piece of paper with a giant black line through the whole thing doesn't count

And Benghazi is a bureaucratic scandal of the state department as per their own internal investigation

Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the "Department") resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place

This is not a scandal.  This is realizing a problem and something that could have been done to prevent a tragedy.  A scandal would have been not acknowledging this.  Here's a tip, whenever someone is killed, something could have been done in hindsight to prevent it.  There was no criminal intent.  There were mistakes made.


That's trying to split hairs worse than the Republicans are doing w/ Obama, the State Department messed up big time on that one by appointing Tweedledum and Tweedledee to anything above janitor (remains to be seen if they expunged all of them).  Everything else that's real is just a slap fight between the CIA, State and DoD; and internal finger pointing
 
2013-05-14 12:31:55 PM  

ShadowKamui: That's trying to split hairs worse than the Republicans are doing w/ Obama, the State Department messed up big time on that one by appointing Tweedledum and Tweedledee to anything above janitor (remains to be seen if they expunged all of them).  Everything else that's real is just a slap fight between the CIA, State and DoD; and internal finger pointing


Perspective.  How did they do overall in terms of diplomatic security?  Security in general?  Foreign relations in general?

What happened in Libya was a tragedy but what people also forget is the down side of approaching security in Libya like the US like a military operation.  The tragedy in Libya was horrible but diplomatically relations were preserved which is the primary mission.  Their primary mission is not safety.
 
2013-05-14 12:46:13 PM  

mrshowrules: ShadowKamui: That's trying to split hairs worse than the Republicans are doing w/ Obama, the State Department messed up big time on that one by appointing Tweedledum and Tweedledee to anything above janitor (remains to be seen if they expunged all of them).  Everything else that's real is just a slap fight between the CIA, State and DoD; and internal finger pointing

Perspective.  How did they do overall in terms of diplomatic security?  Security in general?  Foreign relations in general?

What happened in Libya was a tragedy but what people also forget is the down side of approaching security in Libya like the US like a military operation.  The tragedy in Libya was horrible but diplomatically relations were preserved which is the primary mission.  Their primary mission is not safety.


The departments that got singled out for utter incompetence were the ones in charge of safety; they hired a bunch of lazy and nearly worthless locals that the ambassador didn't trust and called it a day.
 
2013-05-14 12:47:16 PM  
mrshowrules:
Obama has the most transparent administration in modern history.

Funny, the guy who first coined that phrase was John Podesta when he was part of the transition process. What is he saying about the administration now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-podesta-obama-should-lif t- secrecy-on-drones/2013/03/13/7e98d7ca-8a9b-11e2-8d72-dc76641cb8d4_stor y.html


The ACLU isn't happy with him either.

"The Bush administration kept secrets largely for bad reasons: It covered up its torture memos, the kidnapping of innocent foreign citizens, illegal wiretapping and other misdeeds. Barack Obama promised to bring more transparency to Washington in the 2008 campaign, but he has failed to do that. In some ways, his administration is even worse than the Bush team when it comes to abusing the privilege of secrecy. "
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/calling-out-cia-its-secre cy -game-targeted-killing

""We've seen a meteoric rise in the number of claims to protect secret law, the government's interpretations of laws or its understanding of its own authority. In some ways, the Obama administration is actually even more aggressive on secrecy than the Bush administration."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/foia-request_n_2851980.html ?u tm_hp_ref=politics


Or how about members of his own party who are concerned about his reflexive secrecy.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/obama-im-no-cheney-on-drones-8 88 53.html
"During a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing Tuesday just before the meeting with Obama, the senior senator from West Virginia railed against the administration's secrecy and publicly charged that it amounted to a return to the Bush approach. . . . 'It's a terrible situation,' a clearly irritated Rockefeller said during the annual hearing focusing on global threats to the US. . . . Rockefeller also charged that after Brennan was confirmed, the administration clammed up again and 'went directly back to the way they were from 2001-2 to 2007'. As for the legal memos shared after two years of requests, Rockefeller said there was 'nothing in them which is a threat to anybody.'"
 
2013-05-14 12:54:28 PM  
Why would they target the super liberal lame stream lsm media like the AP?
 
2013-05-14 01:02:24 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: mrshowrules:
Obama has the most transparent administration in modern history.

Funny, the guy who first coined that phrase was John Podesta when he was part of the transition process. What is he saying about the administration now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-podesta-obama-should-lif t- secrecy-on-drones/2013/03/13/7e98d7ca-8a9b-11e2-8d72-dc76641cb8d4_stor y.html


The ACLU isn't happy with him either.

"The Bush administration kept secrets largely for bad reasons: It covered up its torture memos, the kidnapping of innocent foreign citizens, illegal wiretapping and other misdeeds. Barack Obama promised to bring more transparency to Washington in the 2008 campaign, but he has failed to do that. In some ways, his administration is even worse than the Bush team when it comes to abusing the privilege of secrecy. "
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/calling-out-cia-its-secre cy -game-targeted-killing

""We've seen a meteoric rise in the number of claims to protect secret law, the government's interpretations of laws or its understanding of its own authority. In some ways, the Obama administration is actually even more aggressive on secrecy than the Bush administration."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/foia-request_n_2851980.html ?u tm_hp_ref=politics


Or how about members of his own party who are concerned about his reflexive secrecy.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/obama-im-no-cheney-on-drones-8 88 53.html
"During a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing Tuesday just before the meeting with Obama, the senior senator from West Virginia railed against the administration's secrecy and publicly charged that it amounted to a return to the Bush approach. . . . 'It's a terrible situation,' a clearly irritated Rockefeller said during the annual hearing focusing on global threats to the US. . . . Rockefeller also charged that after Brennan was confirmed, the administration clammed up again and 'went directly back to the way they w ...


He's done more to increase transparency then any previous administration.

http://www.foreffectivegov.org/files/info/obama-first-term-transpare nc y-report.pdf
 
2013-05-14 01:21:14 PM  
Bush was a liar, Obama is a liar. You really think that under the current system were going to get someone that will bring actual change? Obama is a lawyer politician from Chicago. I would like to think those who believed him were suffering from PTSD from 8 years of the Bush administration.
 
2013-05-14 01:57:54 PM  

mrshowrules: raerae1980: Is this another "scandal"?  How many is this now, 3?  Are any of them worthy of the 'scandal' label?

/doubtful

1) Fast and Furious: bureaucratic scandal
2) Solyndra: non-scandal
3) Benghazi: non-scandal
4) IRS: low-level bureaucratic scandal
5) AP Subpoenas:  ?


This may shed some light on that. (Spoiler alert: it's not a scandal)

There's nothing to suggest that there was any government wrongdoing, but even if we assume for the sake of argument that there was something wrong with how they handled it, it would relate to very dry technical points relating to the investigating agency's concerns about threats to the investigation, and how strong those concerns have to be before the usual steps ahead of a subpoena can be waived.
 
2013-05-14 03:45:56 PM  
www.washingtonian.com
 
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