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2013-05-14 09:50:40 AM
New York Times: the problem with Benghazi is the inept response by the White House to explain itself, oh and Republicans are bad just flinging as much shiat as possible against the wall, in the hopes that something sticks.

FTFY
 
2013-05-14 10:17:28 AM
hasn't this been the formula for pretty much every political squabble in DC since 2009?
 
2013-05-14 10:19:34 AM
The R-W bots are just going to flood the system today, aren't they?
 
2013-05-14 10:19:38 AM
Obama is guilty of being disengaged.  He doesn't seem to know what is going on in the White House and the Federal Agencies he is charged to administer.
 
2013-05-14 10:20:04 AM
Can we have congressional hearings on conservative talking points.......whar birf sertifikit whar.
 
2013-05-14 10:21:01 AM
It's a good thing the media isn't influencing the political battles by producing polarizing program designed to enrage both sides of an argument.
 
2013-05-14 10:21:35 AM

SamWaters: Obama is guilty of being disengaged.  He doesn't seem to know what is going on in the White House and the Federal Agencies he is charged to administer.


This week.  Next week conservatives will claim he has his hands in everything because he is an evil muslim orchestrating a communist conspiracy.  He can't be both.
 
2013-05-14 10:24:22 AM
It is an inept response because they can't keep their lies straight any more.

Even Fact Check is piling on now when they realize how easy it is to catch the lies.
 
2013-05-14 10:28:31 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is an inept response because they can't keep their lies straight any more.

Even Fact Check is piling on now when they realize how easy it is to catch the lies.


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2013-05-14 10:28:31 AM

SamWaters: Obama is guilty of being disengaged.  He doesn't seem to know what is going on in the White House and the Federal Agencies he is charged to administer.


wrong. he isn't charged with administering federal agencies. they have their own bureaucracies and their own leadership for that. that's why the president has a cabinet. bottom line: the president of the united states does not have the time to find out what's going on in an IRS field office in cincinnati.

now, that being said, he is ultimately the leader of the US and the buck stops with him. he should fire the acting head of the IRS and nominate someone who will institute reforms (let's see if republicans actually allow his nomination to move forward...)
 
2013-05-14 10:28:58 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is an inept response because they can't keep their lies straight any more.

Even Fact Check is piling on now when they realize how easy it is to catch the lies.


That's not Fack Check. It's Glenn Kessler and he sucks.
 
2013-05-14 10:34:29 AM
The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.
 
2013-05-14 10:35:13 AM
Leave Obama Alone.
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2013-05-14 10:37:20 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is an inept response because they can't keep their lies straight any more.

Even Fact Check is piling on now when they realize how easy it is to catch the lies.


It's not Fact Check, and it's still splitting hairs.  But you knew that already.
 
2013-05-14 10:38:18 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is an inept response because they can't keep their lies straight any more.

Even Fact Check is piling on now when they realize how easy it is to catch the lies.


Explain how Obama could have lied at those times when he was busy leaving the embassy gates unlocked for his terrorists cousins and sticking around long enough to disperse equal amounts of urine on each corpse of each American hero?
 
2013-05-14 10:39:56 AM

FlashHarry: SamWaters: Obama is guilty of being disengaged.  He doesn't seem to know what is going on in the White House and the Federal Agencies he is charged to administer.

wrong. he isn't charged with administering federal agencies. they have their own bureaucracies and their own leadership for that. that's why the president has a cabinet. bottom line: the president of the united states does not have the time to find out what's going on in an IRS field office in cincinnati.

now, that being said, he is ultimately the leader of the US and the buck stops with him. he should fire the acting head of the IRS and nominate someone who will institute reforms (let's see if republicans actually allow his nomination to move forward...)


Except the current acting head of the IRS showed up a year or so after this all took place.
 
2013-05-14 10:44:47 AM

Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.


But enough about WMDs in Iraq that led to the death of a few thousand servicemen
 
2013-05-14 10:49:08 AM

Witty_Retort: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

But enough about WMDs in Iraq that led to the death of a few thousand servicemen


Bush.
 
2013-05-14 10:51:13 AM
Slow news week? Is this what happens when there's no mass carnage?
There's only so many ways to say "this is nothing, Republicans are evil douchebags desperate to make Obama/Hillary look worse than them".
Bush couldn't even string 3 sentences in a row without an error, and suddenly one word taken out of context is enough for high treason.
 
2013-05-14 10:51:35 AM

whistleridge: New York Times: the problem with Benghazi is the inept response by the White House to explain itself, oh and Republicans are bad just flinging as much shiat as possible against the wall, in the hopes that something sticks.

FTFY


I don't think they even care if anything sticks. They got Fox News to play this bs 24/7. It's about creating as many fake scandals as possible. Make it look like the administration is constantly up to no good. The republican faithful will buy it because it fits their preconceived notions of Obama and Democrats in general. It actually works better if they can't get anything to stick. It gives the appreance that the administration is getting away with all kinds of stuff. They will run all mid term elections talking about how if you elect Dems that Obama will get a free pass that he's so crooked you must elect republicans.
 
2013-05-14 10:55:51 AM

SamWaters: Obama is guilty of being disengaged.  He doesn't seem to know what is going on in the White House and the Federal Agencies he is charged to administer.


Compared to which previous President?
 
2013-05-14 10:56:27 AM

Cletus C.: Witty_Retort: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

But enough about WMDs in Iraq that led to the death of a few thousand servicemen

Bush.


Politically motivated, selective outrage.
 
2013-05-14 10:57:18 AM

DarwiOdrade: Cletus C.: Witty_Retort: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

But enough about WMDs in Iraq that led to the death of a few thousand servicemen

Bush.

Politically motivated, selective outrage.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-14 10:58:51 AM

Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.


The IRS stuff is a bureaucratic fumble.  Benghazi is dead. The AP phone records might actually be a legitimate scandal.  It all depends how competent/necessary Holder was in his actions.  We will see.
 
2013-05-14 10:59:35 AM

Ring of Fire: whistleridge: New York Times: the problem with Benghazi is the inept response by the White House to explain itself, oh and Republicans are bad just flinging as much shiat as possible against the wall, in the hopes that something sticks.

FTFY

I don't think they even care if anything sticks. They got Fox News to play this bs 24/7. It's about creating as many fake scandals as possible. Make it look like the administration is constantly up to no good. The republican faithful will buy it because it fits their preconceived notions of Obama and Democrats in general. It actually works better if they can't get anything to stick. It gives the appreance that the administration is getting away with all kinds of stuff. They will run all mid term elections talking about how if you elect Dems that Obama will get a free pass that he's so crooked you must elect republicans.


And that's what this is all about.

Oh, and a little, screw Hilldawg in '16.

The !Obamacare DEATH panels!!11!! worked much better than I thought it would in '10, so...
 
2013-05-14 11:08:09 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Leave Obama Alone.


You sound tired. Get some rest, and do try to use ancient memes correctly.
 
2013-05-14 11:11:12 AM
Obama is feckless and work-shy, Clinton is incompetent, the White House crew are Keystone Cops outside of any area but campaigning. They tried to cover up the disaster that resulted from their inept, uncaring, risk-adverse failure to act - moreover, they actively prevented rescue attempts - with a ridiculous story about a you tube video and by threatening witnesses.

Republicans bad. Got it.
 
2013-05-14 11:16:53 AM

Cletus C.: DarwiOdrade: Cletus C.: Witty_Retort: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

But enough about WMDs in Iraq that led to the death of a few thousand servicemen

Bush.

Politically motivated, selective outrage.

Agreed.


So you agree that your selective outrage is politically motivated? Real growth!!!
 
2013-05-14 11:17:43 AM

Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.



Wait a sec -- *you* used to trust Obama? When?

With respect to my own opinion of Obama and the influence of recent events: Put me in the 'Benghazi not a scandal' camp, he appears to be handling the IRS thing like I think a President ought to, and the journalist thing, maybe that'll turn into a black mark, maybe not. I'm waiting to see what develops.

One thing I think is remarkable is that this morning we're starting to see some ohoh-Obama's-in-HUGE-trouble-now op-eds all of a sudden. There's at least two of those greenlit on the Politics Tab already (Reuters and Boston Herald links) and I expect it's going to turn into a flood real soon now. As someone who doesn't trust the right-wing media I'm guessing it's all being stage-managed pretty carefully... reminiscent of the old Clinton days when Republicans had dozens of investigations while their pet journalists and pundits couldn't stop talking about "the most investigated administration in history".

If it's proven that Obama acted badly, then so be it, but until that time it looks like nothing more than manufactured scandal and outrage from the right wing. It's what they do.
 
2013-05-14 11:20:44 AM

LargeCanine: Obama is feckless and work-shy, Clinton is incompetent, the White House crew are Keystone Cops outside of any area but campaigning. They tried to cover up the disaster that resulted from their inept, uncaring, risk-adverse failure to act - moreover, they actively prevented rescue attempts - with a ridiculous story about a you tube video and by threatening witnesses.

Republicans bad. Got it.


Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-05-14 11:21:49 AM

LargeCanine: ...They tried to cover up the disaster that resulted from their inept, uncaring, risk-adverse failure to act - moreover, they actively prevented rescue attempts - with a ridiculous story about a you tube video and by threatening witnesses.



Pretty sure all that's been debunked.


Republicans bad. Got it.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-14 11:28:37 AM

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.

The IRS stuff is a bureaucratic fumble.  Benghazi is dead. The AP phone records might actually be a legitimate scandal.  It all depends how competent/necessary Holder was in his actions.  We will see.


The problem here is that the GOP had already shot it's wad over Benghazi, over Obamacare, over Arugalagate, and over the IRS. Or whatever. The point is, the American people are really desensitized to the GOP outrage of the day broadcast by Fox News ad nauseam. If the GOP and Fox News had a semblance of level-headedness, maybe the AP scandal would stick, but I seriously doubt it. The truth is their constant drumbeat of intransigence and Obama hating have made them cry wolf far too long. There really isn't much public outcry over the IRS or the AP phone records, because everybody assumes the right is just pissing themselves and pointing while screaming "NOT FAIR" (Even though, in both Benghazi and the IRS scandal, President Bush did it as well).
 
2013-05-14 11:35:43 AM

FlashHarry: hasn't this been the formula for pretty much every political squabble in DC since 2009?


I wonder what happened in 2009.  sometime in late January it seems.
 
2013-05-14 11:55:18 AM

Wessoman: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.

The IRS stuff is a bureaucratic fumble.  Benghazi is dead. The AP phone records might actually be a legitimate scandal.  It all depends how competent/necessary Holder was in his actions.  We will see.

The problem here is that the GOP had already shot it's wad over Benghazi, over Obamacare, over Arugalagate, and over the IRS. Or whatever. The point is, the American people are really desensitized to the GOP outrage of the day broadcast by Fox News ad nauseam. If the GOP and Fox News had a semblance of level-headedness, maybe the AP scandal would stick, but I seriously doubt it. The truth is their constant drumbeat of intransigence and Obama hating have made them cry wolf far too long. There really isn't much public outcry over the IRS or the AP phone records, because everybody assumes the right is just pissing themselves and pointing while screaming "NOT FAIR" (Even though, in both Benghazi and the IRS scandal, President Bush did it as well).


Yes but if they've pissed of the media enough, they might keep it alive.  It all depends if DoJ can play the terrorist boogeyman card well enough to justify their actions.  That has gotten old also.   Ideally, it would be nice to see the Patriot Act repealed as a result of this.
 
2013-05-14 11:59:19 AM
Yeah Benghazi's still not a scandal. The IRS and DOJ things seem to be scandals, but the Republicans have derped themselves into a position where everyone will still hate them even when they're right about something.
 
2013-05-14 12:28:36 PM

Ring of Fire: whistleridge: New York Times: the problem with Benghazi is the inept response by the White House to explain itself, oh and Republicans are bad just flinging as much shiat as possible against the wall, in the hopes that something sticks.

FTFY

I don't think they even care if anything sticks. They got Fox News to play this bs 24/7. It's about creating as many fake scandals as possible. Make it look like the administration is constantly up to no good. The republican faithful will buy it because it fits their preconceived notions of Obama and Democrats in general. It actually works better if they can't get anything to stick. It gives the appreance that the administration is getting away with all kinds of stuff. They will run all mid term elections talking about how if you elect Dems that Obama will get a free pass that he's so crooked you must elect republicans.


Close, but not quite. Hilary is almost surely unbeatable in 2016, just as she would have been in 08 (for any GOP candidate, at least). They HAVE to get something stuck to Obama - preferably Benghazi,because she was involved - or they're farked, and they know it.

This isn't a smear campaign aimed at the President. There's nothing they can do to him. This is a desperation move aimed entirely at Hilary.

The next move will be to go after Bill and/or Chelsea. If either one does anything that even looks like it might kind of sort of remotely pass as a scandal, they'll be all over it. They're going to go after her harder than Mitch O'Connell went after Ashley Judd.
 
2013-05-14 12:50:04 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-05-14 12:57:08 PM

Wessoman: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.

The IRS stuff is a bureaucratic fumble.  Benghazi is dead. The AP phone records might actually be a legitimate scandal.  It all depends how competent/necessary Holder was in his actions.  We will see.

The problem here is that the GOP had already shot it's wad over Benghazi, over Obamacare, over Arugalagate, and over the IRS. Or whatever. The point is, the American people are really desensitized to the GOP outrage of the day broadcast by Fox News ad nauseam. If the GOP and Fox News had a semblance of level-headedness, maybe the AP scandal would stick, but I seriously doubt it. The truth is their constant drumbeat of intransigence and Obama hating have made them cry wolf far too long. There really isn't much public outcry over the IRS or the AP phone records, because everybody assumes the right is just pissing themselves and pointing while screaming "NOT FAIR" (Even though, in both Benghazi and the IRS scandal, President Bush did it as well).


Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.
 
2013-05-14 12:59:30 PM

Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.


There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.
 
2013-05-14 01:04:30 PM

whistleridge: Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.

There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.


Did you miss the emails story last week? State Department totally whitewashed the talking points, making a liar our of Carney, who had to duck and weave through a brutal press conference. The talking points shield had massive holes poked in it. But you don't care. So OK.
 
2013-05-14 01:22:26 PM

Cletus C.: whistleridge: Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.

There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.

Did you miss the emails story last week? State Department totally whitewashed the talking points, making a liar our of Carney, who had to duck and weave through a brutal press conference. The talking points shield had massive holes poked in it. But you don't care. So OK.


and that is the heart of the scandal, agencies produced inaccurate talking points.  Right back where we started from.  The Susan Rice when on TV interviews with inaccurate talking points.  4 hearings and 9 months later and that is where we are.  Talking points that killed 4 brave diplomats.
 
2013-05-14 01:34:33 PM
 
2013-05-14 01:53:28 PM

Cletus C.: Wessoman: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: The price for misleading the public, then playing semantic games and diversionary twister is a loss of faith and trust.

Now, the IRS crap and seizing of phone records should make even the most ardent administration supporter skeptical of the initial explanations. Should anyway.

The IRS stuff is a bureaucratic fumble.  Benghazi is dead. The AP phone records might actually be a legitimate scandal.  It all depends how competent/necessary Holder was in his actions.  We will see.

The problem here is that the GOP had already shot it's wad over Benghazi, over Obamacare, over Arugalagate, and over the IRS. Or whatever. The point is, the American people are really desensitized to the GOP outrage of the day broadcast by Fox News ad nauseam. If the GOP and Fox News had a semblance of level-headedness, maybe the AP scandal would stick, but I seriously doubt it. The truth is their constant drumbeat of intransigence and Obama hating have made them cry wolf far too long. There really isn't much public outcry over the IRS or the AP phone records, because everybody assumes the right is just pissing themselves and pointing while screaming "NOT FAIR" (Even though, in both Benghazi and the IRS scandal, President Bush did it as well).

Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.


Piling so high, they can't even tell us the exact scandals.
 
2013-05-14 02:44:04 PM

mrshowrules: Cletus C.: whistleridge: Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.

There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.

Did you miss the emails story last week? State Department totally whitewashed the talking points, making a liar our of Carney, who had to duck and weave through a brutal press conference. The talking points shield had massive holes poked in it. But you don't care. So OK.

and that is the heart of the scandal, agencies produced inaccurate talking points.  Right back where we started from.  The Susan Rice when on TV interviews with inaccurate talking points.  4 hearings and 9 months later and that is where we are.  Talking points that killed 4 brave diplomats.


Inaccurate talking points/lies. Why the lying? All those hearings and months later and I still don't know the answer to that. Must be Bush.
 
2013-05-14 03:34:48 PM

Cletus C.: mrshowrules: Cletus C.: whistleridge: Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.

There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.

Did you miss the emails story last week? State Department totally whitewashed the talking points, making a liar our of Carney, who had to duck and weave through a brutal press conference. The talking points shield had massive holes poked in it. But you don't care. So OK.

and that is the heart of the scandal, agencies produced inaccurate talking points.  Right back where we started from.  The Susan Rice when on TV interviews with inaccurate talking points.  4 hearings and 9 months later and that is where we are.  Talking points that killed 4 brave diplomats.

Inaccurate talking points/lies. Why the lying? All those hearings and months later and I still don't know the answer to that. Must be Bush.


That is funny, because we don't know the "scandal"
 
2013-05-14 04:47:20 PM
Ring of Fire:

FTFY

I don't think they even care if anything sticks. They got Fox News to play this bs 24/7. It's about creating as many fake scandals as possible. Make it look like the administration is constantly up to no good. The republican faithful will buy it because it fits their preconceived notions of Obama and Democrats in general. It actually works better if they can't get anything to stick. It gives the appreance that the administration is getting away with all kinds of stuff. They will run all mid term elections talking about how if you elect Dems that Obama will get a free pass that he's so crooked you must elect republicans.



Whats the point though? Its not like anyone who watched Fox is going to ever vote for a Democrat anyway.
 
2013-05-14 09:14:41 PM

Cletus C.: whistleridge: Cletus C.: Meh. The crap's piling pretty high. All within the space of less than a week. Not sure even the trusty Bushy, Bush, Bush will work this time.

There's not a single new fact in the case. Until and unless that changes, all that's happening is the volume is being ramped up.

Did you miss the emails story last week? State Department totally whitewashed the talking points, making a liar our of Carney, who had to duck and weave through a brutal press conference. The talking points shield had massive holes poked in it. But you don't care. So OK.


Translation: someone said something must be different, and here's some edited versions indicating they thought about saying something different. 

That's not a smoking gun, that's he-said she-said. The WH and State both have repeatedly said that it was a confused situation, where most of the decisions were happening in real-time in a fog of war situation at level far below that of POTUS or SecState. Once it was all said and done, they were left to pick up the pieces and try to sort a very confused situation out. From 8,000 miles away. In the middle of a very busy election season. 

And to their credit, they did it. And then they told us about it. But it's small wonder that the story changed over time. Of COURSE they told us the least inflammatory things at first - they went with what we  knew,not with what we strongly suspected. As we knew more, they told more.

If you and certain idiotic members of the House can't put that together, that's your problem. But it's obvious to anyone with half a brain what happened. And how we'll likely never know the exact scenario of events. Which what the GOP is counting on, because now they can scream SCANDAL!!!1!!1! all day long, for those who will listen to them and agree no matter what they say.

But you shouldn't be surprised when the rest of us give a collective yawn at your outrage. Feeding a temper tantrum never helps, and that's all it is at this point.
 
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