freeforever: Speaking of yellow, these things are turning up everywhere in Florida now, and it's only a matter of time before someone is killed when a driver doesn't realize you may have to stop at a yellow light.[stmedia.startribune.com image 630x324]
Warmachine999: msP: /obviously the best solution is use roundabouts wherever possibleTHIS! I say this all the time. In my completely unscientific opinion, I guesstimate that at least 90% of traffic lights could be replaced by roundabouts.Thanks, but no thanks. They replaced two intersections around here with those crappy things, and low and behold, traffic got worse in the area instead of better, and the number of accidents went UP.
studs up: sandi_fish: A (first time) red light ticket here in Ventura, CA is $480.00. What utter crap.My brother just got one there. Anybody fighting and winning?
theorellior: Deathfrogg: calling them a waste of valuable taxpayer money and a horrible manipulation of people's freedumbs and liberties to drive as they please.That's funny, a roundabout removes a government sign forcing you to stop and instead allows you to participate in the free market of traffic flow with your fellow citizens. You'd think they'd be all over that like white on rice.
Deathfrogg: Why "retrain" people? Roundabouts ain't rocket surgery. Slow down the approaches, make sure they're clearly marked and brightly lit, and post a traffic cop for a few weeks at the spot to pull over and ticket the imbeciles who cannot fathom the idea of "Yield to traffic in circle" until people learn to navigate them without their heads in their asses.Here, they put in a huge mega-mall in an old cow pasture right next to the freeway, the company that built it fought tooth and nail against having to pay for improvements to the freeway exits and widening the cross-highway to accommodate the traffic, so what you see now is no fewer than three stoplights in a half block, in all four directions. Starting at about 2 in the afternoon, it is total gridlock. Traffic circles have been suggested, and someone has already pointed out that putting three of those things in a row, two of which would be covering freeway off-ramps and on-ramps next to the Mall would be insanity. So the stoplights remain. Meanwhile, anyone who actually lives in the area has discovered that it is easier and faster to drive 30 blocks out of the way to get from point A to point B instead of trying to navigate through that flustercluck.
Deathfrogg: This was a Sundown town well into the middle 1960s.
Kristoph57: While stop is just a request for a moment.. YIELD is far more.. sinister.
freeforever: Speaking of yellow, these things are turning up everywhere in Florida now, and it's only a matter of time before someone is killed when a driver doesn't realize you may have to stop at a yellow light.
Detinwolf: The best part about a red light camera is, if it sees you running an intersection that's full of traffic, it deploys a force bubble which slows your car and prevents you from hitting that traffic.
d23: Basic traffic law says that when a stoplight has lost power then the intersection turns into a four way stop.It is *not* "biggest road gets the right of way."
Whistling Kitty Chaser: In my experience, these are used on left turn lanes with a dedicated signal, which means no green circle. Traditionally, after the arrow turned red and the opposing traffic was given a green, those in the left turn lane were stuck waiting for the rest of the cycle, even if there was no oncoming traffic. This solves that problem.
chewielouie: Red light cameras . . . heh.[lib.store.yahoo.net image 550x550]
Mugato: IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Yellow light times are calculated by a complex formulaI kind of doubt that.You doubt the complexity in the mathematical operations of physics that determine where a dart lands on a board?Well obviously smaller side roads have longer red lights if they are opposite highways but I just can't see that much thought going into it, especially if they're farking with the timing to create a 21st century version of the speed trap.Weren't these farking things banned in some states?
Twigz221: This is what happens when you keep cutting taxes and governments have to get creative to get revenue.
Solty Dog: If this is all about safety, which I'm sure it is, they should put another yellow in the middle there. That way drivers will have twice as long to contemplate the eternal question. Mash the gas or slam on the brakes.
fluffy2097: Modern cars are perfectly fine with starting from a dead stop, and we have so much more traffic now, roundabouts probably wouldn't work.
Z-clipped: I can state from personal experience (driving in Europe) that roundabouts work very well, even for high-speed traffic when they're properly designed. Specifically, they need to be BIG. I've never seen a well-designed roundabout in the US. Not one.
ReverendJynxed: They did this at the light at the corner of Grady Way and HWY 168 167 in Renton Washington. The city of Renton is run by scum.If they aren't making money on red light cameras it's Jay Walking tickets at the transit center because people are trying to catch their bus. Jay Walking tickets for non-whites that is./White but still know it's wrong
Z-clipped: fluffy2097: Modern cars are perfectly fine with starting from a dead stop, and we have so much more traffic now, roundabouts probably wouldn't work.I can state from personal experience (driving in Europe) that roundabouts work very well, even for high-speed traffic when they're properly designed. Specifically, they need to be BIG. I've never seen a well-designed roundabout in the US. Not one.
Kimpak: We need dynamic stop light systems.
sandi_fish: Good luck, (here anyway), they take a pic of the front (with driver), back and even video if you are going too fast to stop for the red.
knightmike: There are a lot of bad things you can say about the Philippines but one thing they do right are the traffic signals. They use a timer instead of circles so you know exactly when that light is going to turn red.
labman: I've never heard of such a thing happening. To think people would be motivated to screw others out of their money./sarcasm
The Stealth Hippopotamus: labman: I've never heard of such a thing happening. To think people would be motivated to screw others out of their money./sarcasmBut this is the government. They arn't motivated by petty things like profit.
Tom_Slick: Same thing happened in Georgia, the city responsible had to refund thousands of tickets.
TanSau: we need a yellow light count down.That is all.
Coastalgrl: Jaywalking is a HUGE issue in FL and I cant fathom why. I have lived in 7 different states and never encountered the sheer number of people who waltz casually across a 5 lane road with a posted speed limit of 45 MPH.
legion_of_doo: jrat454: What does the yellow light mean?*quietly*slow down.
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