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(Some Guy)   Utah senator proposes amendment allowing rich people to hire undocumented workers for scutwork, household servants and menial labor. Guess his party affiliation. Go on, guess   ( divider line
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2013-05-14 10:06:23 AM  
11 votes:
This is sort of the issue with immigration reform.

If we want to make meaningful strides, we have to look at those who employ illegal labor. We have to not just look at them, but actually address unfair business practice. Folks are screaming at what this will do to the price of apples, but not about what the depression of wages does for communities held to artificially low wages that defy market forces.

We need to look beyond just amnesty programs, but making things hard on folks who employ illegal labor. Not slap on the wrist fines, but potentially ending of businesses sorts of fines. Phoenix is a prime example of this. When the housing boom hit Phoenix, there was little said about the guys who employed illegal labor, and once the houses and projects were built, then you had a Sheriff's Department that suddenly wanted to run all the darned brown people back to Mexico. Not while the houses were being built, but only afterward. THEN it was a problem. Not folks were making a killing with illegal labor. Not when folks were paid to look the other way. Nope. It was an issue only after the money was made, and the folks that were enticed to come Norte failed to simply disappear.

Amnesty is not a solution, but if you want to deter folks from coming up illegally, you have to dry up the job sources, and right now, that market is booming, and it has to be addressed. Not by looking at the folks crossing the border, but the folks who make a mighty big profit using these folks, and doing so with full knowledge that their business practices are illegal.
2013-05-14 10:14:59 AM  
4 votes:
"...cooks, waiters, butlers, housekeepers, governessess, maids, valets, baby sitters, janitors, laundresses, furnacemen, caretakers, handymen, gardeners, footmen, grooms, and chauffeurs of automobiles for family use."

I'm not one of these "hate the rich" types at all, but if you employ "furnacemen" and "footmen," you should have all your money taken from you and be put in stocks and pelted with refuse in the community square.
2013-05-14 05:48:43 AM  
4 votes:
"...cooks, waiters, butlers, housekeepers, governessess, maids, valets, baby sitters, janitors, laundresses, furnacemen, caretakers, handymen, gardeners, footmen, grooms, and chauffeurs of automobiles for family use."

Quite the aristocratic list there.  Has a nice 18th century feel to it.  Keep up the minority outreach efforts, GOP, I'm sure they'll start paying dividends soon!
2013-05-14 11:01:07 AM  
3 votes:
And this is different from now, how?

I can remember stories of the wealthy in NYC sometime in the late 80's and early 90's who got caught with undocumented workers, mainly due to the fact that they treated them worse than animals, all the while expecting them to be good servants.  Anyone that tells you that there is no actual slavery in the US is talking out of their ass.  The only reason it isn't really talked about is that it's done to people who aren't here legally.

I guess in minds like Lee's, it's ok to enslave people as long as they aren't Americans.
2013-05-14 11:08:27 AM  
2 votes:

AurizenDarkstar: I guess in minds like Lee's, it's ok to enslave people as long as they aren't Americans.

In minds like Lee's, if they're not Americans they're not people anyway.
2013-05-14 10:28:34 AM  
2 votes:
If the GOP keeps this up, CONSERVATIVE will be listed as a synonym to RACIST in the thesaurus.
2013-05-14 10:26:32 AM  
2 votes:
See, in any immigration conversation I say "well let's clamp down on the people hiring illegals, too!" Notice I said "too" and not "instead of the illegals themselves." The Republicans in the thread will give a half-hearted "oh yeah, them too" but they'll never be the first to suggest it. Doesn't that strike you as odd considering they act like illegal immigration is the number one threat to our way of life?
2013-05-14 10:21:21 AM  
2 votes:
This has to be a poison pill amendment. Why the hell would anyone earnestly exempt footmen?
2013-05-14 10:19:16 AM  
2 votes:
Dear People of Utah who voted for Mike Lee:

DAFUQ is wrong with you???

Yours in Christ..... Rann
2013-05-14 07:45:27 PM  
1 vote:

armoredbulldozer: un4gvn666: Republicans Democrats are racist and classist. They brought you the KKK.  This is not news.

Ahh, so are you one of those people who believe that the mistakes of the past cannot be learned from and corrected?

Or one of those people who believe that a title such as "Democrat" or "Republican"  cannot be review and rescinded when they change over the course of one hundred years?

Either way your comment resembles modern day Repub re-re.

See how I quantify the remark with a time frame to provide clarity?

/Lincoln did not care about freeing the slave.
2013-05-14 06:29:11 PM  
1 vote:

Mikey1969: FlashHarry: well, since there are only republicans in utah...

Not "only" Republicans, there are Democrats bobbing around out here. Independents as well. I thought people had decided that blanket statements were considered lazy and misinformed?

That said, I think our current batch of Senators and Congressmen are all 'Pubs, but I'm not sure, still not ONLY Republicans in the state, though.

Jim Matheson, who represents Utah's 4th District, is a Democrat, though a rather conservative one. Still, I'm glad he's my rep now instead of that clown Chaffetz.
2013-05-14 01:30:51 PM  
1 vote:
2013-05-14 01:30:08 PM  
1 vote:

monoski: Does Utah have democrats?

Yeah they're called Republicans in all of the other states. What they call Republicans here are the most insane right-wing douchebags they can find.
2013-05-14 12:52:05 PM  
1 vote:

monoski: Does Utah have democrats?

Yes....every election I throw away one hour of my life in vain.
2013-05-14 11:29:01 AM  
1 vote:
And there is absolutely no way that someone on a visa for for just personal service would ever be taken advantage of. Yep, no way this could turn into any type of sex slavery.
2013-05-14 10:10:40 AM  
1 vote:
If we cant get rid of abortion, make it as difficult as possible to have one. If we cant have slaves, make them as close as possible to have them.
2013-05-14 10:09:36 AM  
1 vote:
Republicans are racist and classist. This is not news.
2013-05-14 09:32:15 AM  
1 vote:
well, since there are only republicans in utah...
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