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(Huffington Post)   Woman drops purse in Starbucks; gun in purse goes off and shoots woman's friend. If only the friend's purse had had a gun to shoot back with   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 178
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2013-05-14 09:36:06 AM  
The friend probably won't press charges, but... a loaded gun she "forgot" about? My ass.
 
2013-05-14 09:48:59 AM  
Thus ending "Free shot Saturday" at all Starbucks locations in Florida
 
2013-05-14 10:04:10 AM  
The Armed Citizen Extra
A 72-year-old South Side woman on oxygen held a man at gunpoint in her home Wednesday evening after he crashed through her porch window and onto her couch. Phibbie Underwood told the intruder, 26, that "you broke into the wrong house" and "I'll kill you" after he came through the window about 8 p.m. Wednesday police reports state. She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her." "She didn't use the gun until she felt threatened." (Tribune Chronicle, Youngstown, OH, 3/29/2013)

I'm not sure I can find an article of defensive gun use for every time a stupid or criminal use of guns occurs, but I'm pretty sure that there are enough of them to make these kind of stories a nice political tennis game.

Also, SmackLT...lol.
 
2013-05-14 10:05:15 AM  
Dumbass was walking around with a round chambered.
 
2013-05-14 10:09:46 AM  
I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.
 
2013-05-14 10:11:22 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


It was a BAR.

/big purse
 
2013-05-14 10:11:23 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


It's not. Glock doesn't make anything in .25ACP
 
2013-05-14 10:11:36 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


Yeah, I was confused too. Guns like that don't go off if you drop them. Something has to pull the trigger, and I highly doubt she had a competition trigger on her pistol.
 
2013-05-14 10:12:24 AM  
Beck told investigators that her father had given her the gun about a year ago, and she hadn't intended to bring it out in public. "She had forgotten about it," Puetz said.

This is going great, guys. More guns for everyone.
 
2013-05-14 10:12:39 AM  

Katolu: meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.

It was a BAR.

/big purse


And a class 3. Well, it is Florida.
 
2013-05-14 10:12:49 AM  
And that is why cheap little purse guns suck.
 
2013-05-14 10:13:18 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


Does Glock even make a .25 caliber?
 
2013-05-14 10:13:25 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


It was probably one of them fancy AK-4.7 inchers.
 
2013-05-14 10:14:53 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


You think the reporter pics the stock photo?
 
2013-05-14 10:14:54 AM  

I_C_Weener: The Armed Citizen Extra
A 72-year-old South Side woman on oxygen held a man at gunpoint in her home Wednesday evening after he crashed through her porch window and onto her couch. Phibbie Underwood told the intruder, 26, that "you broke into the wrong house" and "I'll kill you" after he came through the window about 8 p.m. Wednesday police reports state. She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her." "She didn't use the gun until she felt threatened." (Tribune Chronicle, Youngstown, OH, 3/29/2013)

I'm not sure I can find an article of defensive gun use for every time a stupid or criminal use of guns occurs, but I'm pretty sure that there are enough of them to make these kind of stories a nice political tennis game.

Also, SmackLT...lol.


"after he crashed through her porch window and onto her couch." Doesn't really sound like a burgler.
 
2013-05-14 10:15:29 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.

You think the reporter picks the stock photo?


damn it
 
2013-05-14 10:15:53 AM  
Forgot the pic
1.bp.blogspot.com

/It was probably a Jennings or some other Saturday Night Special POS
 
2013-05-14 10:15:56 AM  

I_C_Weener: She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her."


I'm pretty sure that warning shots are what you're NOT supposed to do.
 
2013-05-14 10:18:16 AM  

tricycleracer: I_C_Weener: She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her."

I'm pretty sure that warning shots are what you're NOT supposed to do.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-05-14 10:20:23 AM  

Frank N Stein: tricycleracer: I_C_Weener: She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her."

I'm pretty sure that warning shots are what you're NOT supposed to do.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


"Uncle Joe's Saturday Night Special don't fire warning shots, if you follow me, friendo."
 
2013-05-14 10:20:30 AM  
Do we really have to have a thread about every single one of these incidents?

It's beyond arguable that keeping a firearm for self-defense is more dangerous than remaining unarmed. The data is in and the numbers have been crunched. There is no debate. The only people still arguing it are liars and imbeciles. It's really not interesting any more and America has decided it's not going to do anything sensible to control the problem, so can we just let it go please? Everybody is just going to have to walk around hoping Bucktooth Bill or Samantha Soccer Mommy isn't carrying a piece that's about to go off by accident or ignorance and kill them. That's the America Americans have decided they want. It's done. It's not changing. Just let it go.

/ and you can only laugh or facepalm at these morons so many times before it gets old.
 
2013-05-14 10:20:48 AM  
That joke gets funnier every time. Say what you will about gun grabbers, but their wit knows no bounds.
 
2013-05-14 10:21:50 AM  
The only thing that's going to stop a bad purse with a gun is a good purse with a gun.
 
2013-05-14 10:22:09 AM  
If you're dumb enough to pay that much for coffee then you're too dumb to own a firearm. New rule.
 
2013-05-14 10:23:19 AM  

skozlaw: It's beyond arguable that keeping a firearm for self-defense is more dangerous than remaining unarmed. The data is in and the numbers have been crunched. There is no debate. The only people still arguing it are liars and imbeciles.


How much more dangerous?
 
2013-05-14 10:23:22 AM  
FTFA: "fully loaded .25 caliber semi-automatic"  No sane person carries a semi-auto with a round in the chamber.  I hope the "friend" brings a civil suit -- something like "reckless disregard for the safety of others."
 
2013-05-14 10:23:27 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: The friend probably won't press charges, but... a loaded gun she "forgot" about? My ass.


Not pressing charges doesn't mean she ain't gettin' paid.
 
2013-05-14 10:24:11 AM  

minoridiot: Dumbass was walking around with a round chambered.


Yeah, it would have to be and I guess the safety was off too, so maybe something in her purse hit the trigger. Contrary to what movies teach us, Guns don't just "go off" when you drop them.
 
2013-05-14 10:24:43 AM  
I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.
 
2013-05-14 10:25:32 AM  

mongbiohazard: minoridiot: Dumbass was walking around with a round chambered.

Yeah, it would have to be and I guess the safety was off too, so maybe something in her purse hit the trigger. Contrary to what movies teach us, Guns don't just "go off" when you drop them.


Well sometimes they do if they're garbage .25ACP saturday night specials...
 
2013-05-14 10:25:48 AM  
I'm not sure I can find an article of defensive gun use for every time a stupid or criminal use of guns occurs, but I'm pretty sure that there are enough of them to make these kind of stories a nice political tennis game.

OK, the article lists three more instances of people being shot. So you're already behind - better get going with your research project there.

"Peterson was treated and released at a nearby trauma center. Other victims of recent accidental shootings have not been so fortunate: this month a three-year-old boy in Tampa fatally shot himself after finding his uncle's gun in a bedroom, a 2-year-old Kentucky girl died after being accidentally shot by her brother, and a six-year-old girl was critically wounded outside Fort Lauderdale after her brother found a handgun."
 
2013-05-14 10:26:02 AM  

meanmutton: I love the typical journalist-doesn't-understands-gun picture of a Glock in association with this story when there is zero chance this was a Glock.


Glock? I think you mean AK-47.
 
2013-05-14 10:26:22 AM  

LovingTeacher: I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.


I am aware of no firearm model that could potentially discharge due to a fall when the hammer is not set.
 
2013-05-14 10:28:21 AM  

skozlaw: It's beyond arguable that keeping a firearm for self-defense is more dangerous than remaining unarmed. The data is in and the numbers have been crunched.


Only i fyou live in a world where there is nothing more than the numbers you crunched and once you own a gun there is nothing you can do to to use it safely.
 
2013-05-14 10:28:54 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That joke gets funnier every time. Say what you will about gun grabbers, but their wit knows no bounds.


LOL
Very well said.
 
2013-05-14 10:29:08 AM  

LovingTeacher: I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.


The only .25 caliber pistols I know of are extraordinarily cheap guns that are well known for all sorts of failures.  No modern gun would fire when dropped.  Ironically the Glock in the article's photo has 3 different safeties that each individually would prevent such an occurance (the first is the protrusion on the trigger).  Also, many modern guns no longer have a hammer (they're striker fired).
 
2013-05-14 10:31:42 AM  
Actually, it's the fault of the reporter for not knowing the difference between a clip and a magazine. Farking reporter!
 
2013-05-14 10:32:05 AM  

Dimensio: LovingTeacher: I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.

I am aware of no firearm model that could potentially discharge due to a fall when the hammer is not set.


The original Colt Single Action Army (almost every modern "clone" will no longer do so, but there are still a few replicas made to the original design specs can do so).  Of course even when the SAA was the modern gun, it was carried with the hammer down over an empty chamber.
 
2013-05-14 10:32:56 AM  
Yes, as usual the gun accident story gets headlines from the communist media while any story about gun defense is buried or outright killed thanks to these libtards. Run it all you want, your still not going to convince people your communist ideas will work any better here then they did back your home of communist Russia.
 
2013-05-14 10:32:59 AM  

liam76: skozlaw: It's beyond arguable that keeping a firearm for self-defense is more dangerous than remaining unarmed. The data is in and the numbers have been crunched.

Only i fyou live in a world where there is nothing more than the numbers you crunched and once you own a gun there is nothing you can do to to use it safely.


Only dishonest gun nuts attempt to do further demographic analysis beyond "a gun in the household".
 
2013-05-14 10:33:02 AM  

Frank N Stein: mongbiohazard: minoridiot: Dumbass was walking around with a round chambered.

Yeah, it would have to be and I guess the safety was off too, so maybe something in her purse hit the trigger. Contrary to what movies teach us, Guns don't just "go off" when you drop them.

Well sometimes they do if they're garbage .25ACP saturday night specials...


Any Lorcin or Jennings is now 20 years old or more, can't get parts for them & they were cheaply made to begin with, So I can see where a poorly-maintained gun like that could go off when dropped, I doubt it was a Berreta, they have a solid safety mechanism, but again, if you don't use it then it's kinda moot.
 
2013-05-14 10:33:05 AM  

I_C_Weener: The Armed Citizen Extra
A 72-year-old South Side woman on oxygen held a man at gunpoint in her home Wednesday evening after he crashed through her porch window and onto her couch. Phibbie Underwood told the intruder, 26, that "you broke into the wrong house" and "I'll kill you" after he came through the window about 8 p.m. Wednesday police reports state. She fired one shot in his direction. Police said they arrived to find the intruder lying on the floor and Underwood pointing a .22-caliber revolver at him. Underwood put on a clinic on how to defend your home with a gun, according to the police chief. "She's a brave lady," he said. "She did exactly what she's supposed to do with a home defense firearm. Good for her." "She didn't use the gun until she felt threatened." (Tribune Chronicle, Youngstown, OH, 3/29/2013)

I'm not sure I can find an article of defensive gun use for every time a stupid or criminal use of guns occurs, but I'm pretty sure that there are enough of them to make these kind of stories a nice political tennis game.

Also, SmackLT...lol.


This doesn't state that whether he crashed through the window malevolently or accidentally.  Nor does it mention if he was armed.  But, hey - castle rule - you get to be judge jury and executioner.  RAD!  She must've decided against execution, but hey, maybe her finger was tired.

Would the woman shot at starbucks be entitled to bl;ow her friend away?  Or the baristas allowed to do that?  Shoot first, ask questions later?

Guns... keeping rational thought at bay since 1500.
 
2013-05-14 10:35:04 AM  

thetubameister: This doesn't state that whether he crashed through the window malevolently or accidentally.  Nor does it mention if he was armed.  But, hey - castle rule - you get to be judge jury and executioner.  RAD!  She must've decided against execution, but hey, maybe her finger was tired.


Your point is apt. In civilized societies, home occupants are legally obligated to infallibly determine the specific intent of a criminal invader before using force against them.
 
2013-05-14 10:35:05 AM  

noitsnot: I'm not sure I can find an article of defensive gun use for every time a stupid or criminal use of guns occurs, but I'm pretty sure that there are enough of them to make these kind of stories a nice political tennis game.

OK, the article lists three more instances of people being shot. So you're already behind - better get going with your research project there.

"Peterson was treated and released at a nearby trauma center. Other victims of recent accidental shootings have not been so fortunate: this month a three-year-old boy in Tampa fatally shot himself after finding his uncle's gun in a bedroom, a 2-year-old Kentucky girl died after being accidentally shot by her brother, and a six-year-old girl was critically wounded outside Fort Lauderdale after her brother found a handgun."


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/05/police_clackamas _ county_carjac.html">http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013 /05/police_clackamas_ county_carjac.html

http://www.kptv.com/story/22189913/warrenton-family-shoots-and-kills- a rmed-intruder">http://www.kptv.com/story/22189913/warrenton-family-sh oots-and-kills-a rmed-intruder

http://www.wsbt.com/news/wsbt-intruder-hospitalized-after-encounterin g -armed-homeowner-20130506,0,1648306.story">http://www.wsbt.com/news/w sbt-intruder-hospitalized-after-encountering -armed-homeowner-20130506,0,1648306.story

And that's just from this week.
 
2013-05-14 10:35:35 AM  

Dimensio: LovingTeacher: I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.

I am aware of no firearm model that could potentially discharge due to a fall when the hammer is not set.


But what if that modern firearm was in a bag with a bunch of objects that could catch the trigger or potentially get lodged between the trigger and guard?
 
2013-05-14 10:37:04 AM  
I think its more likely that she kept her Jennings tumbling loose around in her purse. Without a holster, some lipstick or a pen went into the triggerguard and pulled the trigger.
 
2013-05-14 10:38:35 AM  

K-jack: Dimensio: LovingTeacher: I'm not really familiar with cheap automatics. Would anyone be able to tell me if this could happen if the gun wasn't cocked?  Are there really modern handguns that can accidentally discharge if the hammer is struck too hard.

I am aware of no firearm model that could potentially discharge due to a fall when the hammer is not set.

But what if that modern firearm was in a bag with a bunch of objects that could catch the trigger or potentially get lodged between the trigger and guard?


A single-action firearm will not fire until the hammer is set, regardless of how firmly the hammer is pulled.

A double-action firearm with an unset hammer requires more force to pull the trigger than objects within a purse would be able to apply.

Only purses with built-in secure holsters should be used for storage of firearms.

Individuals who carry concealed firearms should do so in compliance with existing laws and regulations, unlike the woman referenced in the article.
 
2013-05-14 10:39:17 AM  

jwilson07: Yes, as usual the gun accident story gets headlines from the communist media while any story about gun defense is buried or outright killed thanks to these libtards. Run it all you want, your still not going to convince people your communist ideas will work any better here then they did back your home of communist Russia.


I'm sure Fox's libertard media is withholding scores of these obviously constant events.
 
2013-05-14 10:41:19 AM  

Frank N Stein: Forgot the pic
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x333]

/It was probably a Jennings or some other Saturday Night Special POS


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-14 10:41:25 AM  
making guns illegal is about as effective as making drugs illegal
 
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