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(Washington Post)   As the calendar ticks towards the meat grinder that is the NFL season, a peek at the what the meat looks like after coming out the other end. No truth to the rumor that the next CBA will include one free prosthetic joint per year of service   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 30
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2013-05-14 07:45:28 AM
If a non-star expresses an emotion outside of winning the Super Bowl, they get flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct?
 
2013-05-14 08:45:25 AM
the NFL should take care of it's own and they all should get the health care they need after they quit playing.

A multi-billion dollar biz should be able to make this happen.
 
2013-05-14 08:56:11 AM
If the NFLPA accomplishes akneeything at all in the near future, it kneeds to be comprehensive healthcare for retired players.  Even if it is some pro-rated share based on the length of career, or extended coverage under workmans-comp, people are kneedlessly suffering and the culprit is obvious.  And the worst part?  I don't see how this trend of failing-health amongst retired players will do akneething but increase as the game has become more physical, more hard-hitting, and more brutal every year since forever.
 
2013-05-14 09:20:25 AM
The Bengals ownership acting like disks to one of their greatest players and brand ambassadors? Color me shocked. Of course Mike Brown isn't going to shell out money for this.
 
2013-05-14 09:22:12 AM
Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me
 
2013-05-14 09:29:00 AM

Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me


That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.
 
2013-05-14 09:29:01 AM

Swoop1809: The Bengals ownership acting like disks to one of their greatest players and brand ambassadors? Color me shocked. Of course Mike Brown isn't going to shell out money for this.


I had the opportunity to take a tour of Paul Brown Stadium and was super excited to see the weight room. When I finally got to the weight room, I was so disappointed. Major DI colleges have better weight rooms. It was so small. It reminded me of the weight room we built in Iraq. There were only 3 cages, and 3 random olympic bars. I have no idea how they get 65 guys to lift in there. Knowing what I know about Mike Brown, I shouldn't have been surprised. I would hate to be drafted by the Bengals.
 
2013-05-14 09:39:42 AM
Very few NFL teams have super weight rooms.  Most players train at private facilities.

And, I think the NFL has plenty of money to provide post-playing care.  But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.
 
2013-05-14 09:53:51 AM

trailerpimp: And, I think the NFL has plenty of money to provide post-playing care.  But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.


I think that as people learn how to live longer and through more, that no, the NFL isn't going to have plenty of money to provide post-playing care. There are tons and tons of players that go through the league every year or two, and they'd have to pay for them until death? I understand the desire for them to get medical care and have someone else pay for it, but those costs add up.

Ivandrago: Major DI colleges have better weight rooms. It was so small. It reminded me of the weight room we built in Iraq. There were only 3 cages, and 3 random olympic bars. I have no idea how they get 65 guys to lift in there. Knowing what I know about Mike Brown, I shouldn't have been surprised. I would hate to be drafted by the Bengals.


From what it sounds like, minor DI colleges have better weight rooms. As do some AFL teams.
 
2013-05-14 10:27:32 AM

trailerpimp: Very few NFL teams have super weight rooms.  Most players train at private facilities.

And, I think the NFL has plenty of money to provide post-playing care.  But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.


I think in this day and age most players coming into the NFL have a pretty good idea what their bodies are in for. Part of the orientation they should get is spending time with the old timers to see what a 40 year old with a new hip looks like.
 
2013-05-14 10:44:45 AM

trailerpimp: But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.


The NFL needs players more than players need the NFL.  The players can always take their business degree and get a job managing an Enterprise Rent-A-Car.
 
2013-05-14 10:56:17 AM

groppet: trailerpimp: Very few NFL teams have super weight rooms.  Most players train at private facilities.

And, I think the NFL has plenty of money to provide post-playing care.  But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.

I think in this day and age most players coming into the NFL have a pretty good idea what their bodies are in for. Part of the orientation they should get is spending time with the old timers to see what a 40 year old with a new hip looks like.


The NFLPA should totally do this; I bet Goodell would sue the crap out of them.
 
2013-05-14 10:58:11 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: If the NFLPA accomplishes akneeything at all in the near future, it kneeds to be comprehensive healthcare for retired players.  Even if it is some pro-rated share based on the length of career, or extended coverage under workmans-comp, people are kneedlessly suffering and the culprit is obvious.  And the worst part?  I don't see how this trend of failing-health amongst retired players will do akneething but increase as the game has become more physical, more hard-hitting, and more brutal every year since forever.


1 -- The use of "knee" is annoying
2 -- The union has repeatedly made it a point to maximize compensation for active, veteran players while minimizing the compensation for anyone else (specifically, rookies and retirees).  I don't see them changing their focus.
 
2013-05-14 11:08:37 AM
All this amounts to is a high-profile example of the raging stupidity of American health-care policy.  If a person has an injury, they should be covered to get it treated.  If they want fancy experts and cool plastic surgery they can pay for it themselves, but the basics of getting normal health care shouldn't be job-dependent or controlled by insurance companies.  It should just BE.
 
2013-05-14 11:21:01 AM

cefm: All this amounts to is a high-profile example of the raging stupidity of American health-care policy.  If a person has an injury, they should be covered to get it treated.  If they want fancy experts and cool plastic surgery they can pay for it themselves, but the basics of getting normal health care shouldn't be job-dependent or controlled by insurance companies.  It should just BE.


FTFA:
"When these claims and all other avenues for medical care are exhausted, the cost of their poor health can often fall on the taxpayer. "

Fun fact -- the US has among the highest per capital government funding health care of any country in the world.
 
2013-05-14 11:33:44 AM
Has any player ever tried to get lifetime health coverage included as part of their contract?  Would that even be feasible?  Do you think a team would be appy to sign that contract in lieu of millions today?

meanmutton: 1 -- The use of "knee" is annoying


Like I kneed you to tell me that.
 
2013-05-14 11:37:51 AM
my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Has any player ever tried to get lifetime health coverage included as part of their contract?  Would that even be feasible?  Do you think a team would be appy to sign that contract in lieu of millions today?

Players aren't allowed to renegotiate parts of the collectively bargained contract.
 
2013-05-14 11:39:15 AM
I had the opportunity to take a tour of Paul Brown Stadium and was super excited to see the weight room. When I finally got to the weight room, I was so disappointed. Major DI colleges have better weight rooms. It was so small. It reminded me of the weight room we built in Iraq. There were only 3 cages, and 3 random olympic bars. I have no idea how they get 65 guys to lift in there. Knowing what I know about Mike Brown, I shouldn't have been surprised. I would hate to be drafted by the Bengals.

I can't imagine much weightlifting goes on at the stadium. I think that goes on at the training centers where the teams spend most of their time.
 
2013-05-14 11:41:01 AM

trailerpimp: Very few NFL teams have super weight rooms.  Most players train at private facilities.

And, I think the NFL has plenty of money to provide post-playing care.  But, the players know what they are getting into.  Don't play.


They know NOW. The guys raising a stink didn't know.
 
2013-05-14 12:08:58 PM

IntertubeUser: Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me

That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.


You are right, my chosen profession does not require being hit by large men.
 
2013-05-14 12:20:54 PM

Broktun: IntertubeUser: Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me

That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.

You are right, my chosen profession does not require being hit by large men.


But no one is going pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars (for a Super Bowl) for a ticket to watch you change the syrup in the Slurpee machine either.

The NFL needs to take care of their players long-term, or watch the supply of talent diminish, starting at the Pee-Wee level and then up through college.  Football is increasingly being shown to severely decrease participants' life expectancy and their quality of life in retirement.  That, coupled with what medical science is discovering regarding decreased cognitive abilities resulting from head injuries, could mean the end of professional football as we know it.

My son played high school football.  Had I known what I do now, I wouldn't have encouraged him...or even allowed him.  Parents are increasingly coming to the same conclusion.
 
2013-05-14 12:51:21 PM

IntertubeUser: My son played high school football. Had I known what I do now, I wouldn't have encouraged him...or even allowed him. Parents are increasingly coming to the same conclusion.


Yep, I played in High School, as did my brother.  Dad played in high school and D3 in college, but I don't think I would let my (unborn) children play it given everything that is known about it now.

/Better off playing baseball in the fall anyways
 
2013-05-14 02:39:35 PM

IntertubeUser: Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me

That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.


You're dumb. No one forces these guys to play ball. They do it on their own free will then call foul after the fact.

Let's get real here - we're not talking coal miners, we're talking NFL players. They're (ahem) college educated adults that can get jobs at UPS if they really wish to avoid this.
 
2013-05-14 03:00:16 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: IntertubeUser: My son played high school football. Had I known what I do now, I wouldn't have encouraged him...or even allowed him. Parents are increasingly coming to the same conclusion.

Yep, I played in High School, as did my brother.  Dad played in high school and D3 in college, but I don't think I would let my (unborn) children play it given everything that is known about it now.

/Better off playing baseball in the fall anyways


Ditto on the playing myself.  It's really hard with the kids, both of mine love the local NFL team and enjoy non-contact football.  I just hope they lose interest over time.
 
2013-05-14 05:31:05 PM

Jack_Knopf: IntertubeUser: Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me

That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.

You're dumb. No one forces these guys to play ball. They do it on their own free will then call foul after the fact.

Let's get real here - we're not talking coal miners, we're talking NFL players. They're (ahem) college educated adults that can get jobs at UPS if they really wish to avoid this.


You don't know what you're talking about and you clearly didn't look at the link.  Do you think that these former players who've had knees and hips replaced or ligaments removed or who've lost cognitive function are going to land cushy jobs and somehow get insurance that won't exclude these pre-existing conditions?

NFL owners need to come up with a way to take care of these former players' health after they retire...before more of them become walking billboards to not play football.
 
2013-05-14 07:24:30 PM
I dunno- part of me is in the "They KNEW what they were getting into..." camp and part of me thinks the owners are being gigantic dicks... Playing in the NFL can't really be compared to any other profession- it's unlike anything else. The number of people who play in the league is comparitively tiny to the rest of the working world and it makes SO much money- BILLIONS a year. Seems to me that shelling out $500,000 for Mr. Williams' knee is a drop in the bucket.

Verdict? Owners= dicks.
 
2013-05-14 08:44:40 PM

meanmutton: cefm: All this amounts to is a high-profile example of the raging stupidity of American health-care policy.  If a person has an injury, they should be covered to get it treated.  If they want fancy experts and cool plastic surgery they can pay for it themselves, but the basics of getting normal health care shouldn't be job-dependent or controlled by insurance companies.  It should just BE.

FTFA:
"When these claims and all other avenues for medical care are exhausted, the cost of their poor health can often fall on the taxpayer. "

Fun fact -- the US has among the highest per capital government funding health care of any country in the world.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-14 11:40:12 PM

bgddy24601: meanmutton: cefm: All this amounts to is a high-profile example of the raging stupidity of American health-care policy.  If a person has an injury, they should be covered to get it treated.  If they want fancy experts and cool plastic surgery they can pay for it themselves, but the basics of getting normal health care shouldn't be job-dependent or controlled by insurance companies.  It should just BE.

FTFA:
"When these claims and all other avenues for medical care are exhausted, the cost of their poor health can often fall on the taxpayer. "

Fun fact -- the US has among the highest per capital government funding health care of any country in the world.


how many capitals are we including? seriously though, the numbers have been shouted from the rooftops for years. get an insurance license and learn the numbers for yourself. we in the US pay more for worse outcomes than any other industrialized country, primarily because of the for profit nature of every level of the system. Government paid health care at least has only a tiny administrative cost compared to private pay. Like 5% vs 25-30%. The real issue is paying per procedure rather than for outcomes, student debt loads and how the med schools actively sabotage the system by discouraging the pursuit of family practice in favor of specialties. Everyone from the schools to the insurance system sees health care as a revenue center first and a utility not at all. the government plays in this system and generally with the most expensive patients-- children, the elderly, soldiers and veterans, those already impoverished by high health care costs, long term disabled, and those with end stage renal disease. Of course they should be covered but the private insurance industry has been able to cherry pick the healthiest people to cover and deny everyone else, driving up per capita costs for public pay insureds.
 
2013-05-15 01:30:02 AM

Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me


that's the problem with this country... all the "me" people.  MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 

It ain't all about "you" snowflake.
 
2013-05-15 07:38:28 AM

IntertubeUser: Broktun: Who is going to pay for my medical bills after I retire?

Me

That's dumb.  Your job doesn't involve being hit by really large men 40-something weeks out of the year.


Then don't do that job. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to play.
 
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