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2013-05-13 06:11:39 PM
HGH.
 
2013-05-13 06:45:18 PM
Their division has regressed back to them?
 
2013-05-13 06:58:26 PM
Mostly bad front office decisions by the Yankees and Red Sox.
 
2013-05-13 07:18:47 PM
No PR thread again? Who do we have to blow to get weekly PR threads? Oh well, I'm a chargin mah graf...
 
2013-05-13 07:22:37 PM

Captain Dan: Mostly bad front office decisions by the Yankees and Red Sox.


So much this. Ever since Das Wunderkid got run out of Boston and Brian Cashman no longer had to worry about the wrath of King George, both teams have been running on fumes and memories. Teams are no longer dreading playing the BoSox and the Yankees and are, instead, actually looking forward to the chance to put the screws to both teams.
 
2013-05-13 07:29:45 PM
Yeah, I'll take fumes and memories right to a half game behind Texas for the best record in baseball.
 
2013-05-13 07:38:48 PM
 
2013-05-13 08:08:41 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Their division has regressed back to them?


They had the seventh best record in the majors last year, so wouldn't that mean that the entire league regressed as well?
 
2013-05-13 08:16:54 PM
"it was baltimore"

first person to guess that sh*tty movie gets a month
 
2013-05-13 08:24:44 PM

SpikeStrip: "it was baltimore"

first person to guess that sh*tty movie gets a month


Look at the goddamn Orioles!  Baltimore's always been a sneaky town!

/different movie
 
2013-05-13 08:36:06 PM

degenerate-afro: Peter von Nostrand: Their division has regressed back to them?

They had the seventh best record in the majors last year, so wouldn't that mean that the entire league regressed as well?


So Karl fixed the cable?
 
2013-05-13 08:52:27 PM

SpikeStrip: "it was baltimore"

first person to guess that sh*tty movie gets a month


Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?
 
2013-05-13 08:59:19 PM

neuroflare: SpikeStrip: "it was baltimore"

first person to guess that sh*tty movie gets a month

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?


"It was Baltimore and Lefors"
 
2013-05-13 09:19:21 PM
It's May, let's not get too excited yet.
 
2013-05-13 09:31:20 PM
FTA: "Today, Matt Wieters is perhaps the best catcher in the American League. Adam Jones is a modern-day Dave Winfield. Nick Markakis is quietly on his way to a 3,000-hit career. Jim Johnson is the most consistent closer in baseball. And Manny Machado looks like a once in a generation type of player."

Probably the most counter-factual, hyperbolic thing I've read in a baseball article since FJM destroyed writers for doing it.

The Orioles are good because they have slightly above average players in just about every roster spot, 1 through 25 -- not because any of them are superstars. Reminiscent of some of those A's teams that made the playoffs consistently but never really won anything.
 
2013-05-13 09:36:43 PM

Kurmudgeon: It's May, let's not get too excited yet.


No! Justin Upton WILL hit 72 homers!
 
2013-05-13 09:57:27 PM
Wow, great article. The secret to success is having good players? Why don't more teams try that?

Furthermore, the things about Adam Jones & Nick Markakis make absolutely no sense. Winfield was primarily a RF. Until he turned 40, his worst offensive full season was at 22, with an OPS+ of 115. At 27, he lead the league in OPS+ at 166.

Adam Jones is primarily a CF. He has had just two seasons BETTER than 115. He's currently 27, and his OPS+ on the season is 129. If he keeps that up, it will be a career year for him. Clearly, they are the same person.

Moving along, if Markakis is going to have a 3000 hit career, he'll have to play until he's 38, and that's assuming no injuries and no slowdown in production. He's never had 200 hits in a season. Seems like a lock to me.
 
2013-05-13 10:00:00 PM

No Soap Radio: Nick Markakis is quietly on his way to a 3,000-hit career.


Nick Markakis is 29, and has 1,243 hits.

Some of his B-Ref comps:
Gregg Jefferies, 1,346 hits through age 29.
Chet Lemon, 1,191 hits through age 29.
Al Oliver, 1,315 hits through age 29.
Garret Anderson, 1,237 hits through age 29.
Gary Matthews, Sr., 1,267 hits through age 29.
Reggie Smith, 1,224 hits through age 29.
Vernon Wells, 1,209 hits through age 29.

Some active guys with better odds:
Adrian Beltre: 2,265 hits, age 34.
Miguel Cabrera: 1,857 hits, age 30.
Robinson Cano: 1,505 hits, age 30.
Jose Reyes: 1,499 hits, age 30.
David Wright: 1,499 hits, age 30.
Ryan Zimmermann: 1,130 hits, age 28.

Most insulting comparison:
Jeff Francoeur, 1,186 hits, age 29.

Some guys who used to be locks, but now I wonder:
A-Rod: 2,901 hits, age 37.
Pujols: 2,279 hits, age 33.

Coolest possibility, if a bit remote:
Ichiro: 2,637 hits in the US alone, age 39.

Worst players who could possibly get to 3,000 anytime soon:
Michael Young, 2,270 hits, age 36.
Jimmy Rollins, 2,061 hits, age 34.
Juan Pierre, 2,171 hits, age 35.
 
2013-05-13 10:02:07 PM

DeWayne Mann: Moving along, if Markakis is going to have a 3000 hit career, he'll have to play until he's 38, and that's assuming no injuries and no slowdown in production. He's never had 200 hits in a season. Seems like a lock to me.


So you're saying Jeff Francoeur has a chance?  He's only 57 behind!
 
2013-05-13 10:04:31 PM

chimp_ninja: DeWayne Mann: Moving along, if Markakis is going to have a 3000 hit career, he'll have to play until he's 38, and that's assuming no injuries and no slowdown in production. He's never had 200 hits in a season. Seems like a lock to me.

So you're saying Jeff Francoeur has a chance?  He's only 57 behind!


Only if he cuts down on those walks. They're really hurting his hit totals.
 
2013-05-13 10:06:21 PM

DeWayne Mann: chimp_ninja: DeWayne Mann: Moving along, if Markakis is going to have a 3000 hit career, he'll have to play until he's 38, and that's assuming no injuries and no slowdown in production. He's never had 200 hits in a season. Seems like a lock to me.

So you're saying Jeff Francoeur has a chance?  He's only 57 behind!

Only if he cuts down on those walks. They're really hurting his hit totals.


www.realclearsports.com

Working on it, sir.
 
2013-05-13 10:07:04 PM
Wieters is coming.
 
2013-05-13 10:27:40 PM

JohnBigBootay: Wieters is coming.


Nah, he just breathing heavy.
 
2013-05-13 10:30:23 PM
Manny Machado looks like a once in a generation type of player.

Wow. Along with Harper and Trout, that's three once-in-a-generation players who got off the ground last year alone.
 
2013-05-13 10:37:52 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Their division has regressed back to them?


So I take it that the entire league must've regressed?  The Orioles had an 11 game stretch against teams from the AL West and went 7-4.  Oh yeah, those series were played on the west coast.

Also, as of this post, only three teams have more wins so far this season than the Orioles.  This team may not be the favorite to go the distance, but it is clear that this team is far, far better than they have been in years past (2012 notwithstanding), and continuing the play they have had in the last season plus will put them in as good of position as anyone.
 
2013-05-13 11:07:06 PM
I think the most impressive thing about the O's this year is that they playing this well without a real second baseman and with DHs that have batting averages equivalent to that of a pitcher.

/Can't wait for the Battle of the Beltway this year.
 
2013-05-13 11:34:22 PM

CipollinaFan: I think the most impressive thing about the O's this year is that they playing this well without a real second baseman and with DHs that have batting averages equivalent to that of a pitcher 4th in the PR.

 
2013-05-14 12:15:33 AM

ClavellBCMI: Captain Dan: Mostly bad front office decisions by the Yankees and Red Sox.

So much this. Ever since Das Wunderkid got run out of Boston and Brian Cashman no longer had to worry about the wrath of King George, both teams have been running on fumes and memories. Teams are no longer dreading playing the BoSox and the Yankees and are, instead, actually looking forward to the chance to put the screws to both teams.


The Yankees won 95 games last season (after winning 103 in '09, 95 in '10, and 97 in '11) and are just half a game out of the best record in baseball this season.

Their AAA roster just held the highest slugging percentage in baseball to a single run across two games.

Who exactly is salivating for the chance to play them?
 
2013-05-14 05:22:01 AM
Eh...as an Orioles fan who's absolutely loving the fact that they're even competitive again, this article is full of miss.  Wieters is an excellent defensive catcher & productive hitter, but I don't think that (combined with the fact that his knees are so worn out that he looks 45 every time he runs) is going to get him into the HOF.  Adam Jones is absolutely an All Star-caliber player, but he's going to need to do some spectacular things for another decade or so to even get his name into consideration.  Markakis is a solid every day player with a great arm, but wishing 3,000 hits on him seems a bit far-fetched.

Jim Johnson is undeniably among the best closers in the league right now (if not the best), but again, doing that for a couple of seasons isn't going to etch his name into MLB history.  Manny Machado, we'll have to wait and see on...there are absolutely some moments when I look at him & see a young Cal Ripken Jr., but we're talking about less than one full season of play so far.

You want the real answer: it's because you've got a team that plays like one and a manager who seems to get the best possible production out of each and every player.
 
2013-05-14 09:00:01 AM

Harv72b: Eh...as an Orioles fan who's absolutely loving the fact that they're even competitive again, this article is full of miss.  Wieters is an excellent defensive catcher & productive hitter, but I don't think that (combined with the fact that his knees are so worn out that he looks 45 every time he runs) is going to get him into the HOF.  Adam Jones is absolutely an All Star-caliber player, but he's going to need to do some spectacular things for another decade or so to even get his name into consideration.  Markakis is a solid every day player with a great arm, but wishing 3,000 hits on him seems a bit far-fetched.

Jim Johnson is undeniably among the best closers in the league right now (if not the best), but again, doing that for a couple of seasons isn't going to etch his name into MLB history.  Manny Machado, we'll have to wait and see on...there are absolutely some moments when I look at him & see a young Cal Ripken Jr., but we're talking about less than one full season of play so far.

You want the real answer: it's because you've got a team that plays like one and a manager who seems to get the best possible production out of each and every player.


As an Orioles fan, I can say that all of the above is true. That article read like a puff piece. The O's are much better than they have been in a long time, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. It's only May.
 
2013-05-14 09:59:00 AM

I can't get the cap off!: The Yankees won 95 games last season (after winning 103 in '09, 95 in '10, and 97 in '11) and are just half a game out of the best record in baseball this season.  Their AAA roster just held the highest slugging percentage in baseball to a single run across two games.


That's still the weirdest baseball story of 2013.  Their lineup from yesterday's nightcap:

Brett Gardner CF
Jayson Nix 3B
Robinson Cano DH
Vernon Wells LF
Lyle Overbay 1B
Ben Francisco RF
Corban Joseph 2B
Alberto "The Torturer" Gonzalez SS
Austin Romine C

Starting pitcher?   Vidal Nuno.  But don't worry, Adam Warren came in for the 4-inning save.  Of course that team beat a very good Indians squad 7-0.  Because it's the 2013 Yankees, and the worse the names get, the better they play.  What's a Corban Joseph?  I don't know, but he ripped a double off Trevor Bauer.

They are paying $228,106,125 for 2013, by the way.  I understand that buys you a lot of Corban Josephs.
 
2013-05-14 10:12:04 AM
..and the lineup of only slightly less obscure names lost the day game 1-0 (and the one Indians run was a first inning homer)
 
2013-05-14 11:32:21 AM
Article is an obvious over-reach by someone who is either desperate for a feel-good story or is a blind Orioles fan.

They are a better team than they've been in most of the last 15 years, that much is true.  But "great" and "hall-of-fame caliber"?  No.  Just no.  They're currently in what amounts to a 3-way tie for the AL East with the Yankees and Red Sox (2 game spread).

The rest of the Division has fallen from Godly status down to beatable.  You could take this Orioles team and put it in the same Division for pretty much any year from 1992-2009 and they'd be guaranteed to finish behind either the Blue Jays, the Yankees, the Red Sox or the Rays.  In fact in most of those years they'd have a very realistic chance of finishing 3rd or 4th.

Just look at the garbage pile of replacement body parts that the Yankees are putting on the field right now and they are in 1st place in the AL East.  Exactly how good is the talent on Baltimore?  Please tell me again how it's Hall of Fame caliber.
 
2013-05-14 11:35:23 AM

Harv72b: Eh...as an Orioles fan who's absolutely loving the fact that they're even competitive again, this article is full of miss.  Wieters is an excellent defensive catcher & productive hitter, but I don't think that (combined with the fact that his knees are so worn out that he looks 45 every time he runs) is going to get him into the HOF.  Adam Jones is absolutely an All Star-caliber player, but he's going to need to do some spectacular things for another decade or so to even get his name into consideration.  Markakis is a solid every day player with a great arm, but wishing 3,000 hits on him seems a bit far-fetched.

Jim Johnson is undeniably among the best closers in the league right now (if not the best), but again, doing that for a couple of seasons isn't going to etch his name into MLB history.  Manny Machado, we'll have to wait and see on...there are absolutely some moments when I look at him & see a young Cal Ripken Jr., but we're talking about less than one full season of play so far.

You want the real answer: it's because you've got a team that plays like one and a manager who seems to get the best possible production out of each and every player.


Don't forget about Brian Roberts.  He gives the Orioles a solid 4 games a year.  Those games are indispensable.
 
2013-05-14 11:37:32 AM

The Bestest: ..and the lineup of only slightly less obscure names lost the day game 1-0 (and the one Indians run was a first inning homer)


Yup.  And that 9 innings of holding the Indians to 1 run on five hits was accomplished by David Phelps, Boone Logan, and Preston Claiborne.  Just like the Binder predicted.  You know, the David Phelps who BP rated the Yankees' 16th-best prospect in 2011, behind the awesome praise "Armed with average stuff and plus command and control, he could get a big-league look if the back end of the rotation falters".  Sure, they weren't as excited about Phelps as they were about Graham Stoneburner and Slade Heathcott, which are actual names of Yankees prospects, and not things I made up.  But that's exactly what The Binder wants you to think.  Rope-a-dope you with "average stuff" and "if the back end of the rotation falters".

Their mistake was playing Ichiro and DH'ing Hafner.  People have heard of those guys.  If they had converted Cody Eppley from bullpen extra to DH, he would have hit a walkoff 2-run homer.  (They would have won 2-0, because thanks to The Binder, Travis Hafner would have robbed the home run in his first start in CF.)
 
2013-05-14 12:23:06 PM

chimp_ninja: Starting pitcher?   Vidal Nuno.


Let's not overlook that Vidal Nuno was drafted in the 48th round.

For those not familiar with the MLB draft, if you have a friend or family member who works in an MLB front office you could ask them to draft you in the 48th round with a reasonable expectation of success, regardless of the fact that you are a 35 year old keyboard warrior who has never stepped foot on a baseball diamond.
 
2013-05-14 01:20:17 PM

I can't get the cap off!: chimp_ninja: Starting pitcher?   Vidal Nuno.

Let's not overlook that Vidal Nuno was drafted in the 48th round.

For those not familiar with the MLB draft, if you have a friend or family member who works in an MLB front office you could ask them to draft you in the 48th round with a reasonable expectation of success, regardless of the fact that you are a 35 year old keyboard warrior who has never stepped foot on a baseball diamond.


In 2012, they only drafted 40 rounds, which is still 1,200 players.

Then again, the Cubs drafted Tim Lincecum in the 48th round in 2003.  (They failed to sign him, because they're the Cubs.)

Some other 48th rounders since 2000: Seth Smith, Bobby Wilson, Jeremy Hefner (now in the Mets rotation), and the immortal Paco Rodriguez.  You can flip through years on BRef and not see anyone with a major league appearance half the time.  If Vidal Nuno can keep it up, he can pass the legendary Seth Smith for the best of that batch.
 
2013-05-14 04:54:11 PM

degenerate-afro: Don't forget about Brian Roberts. He gives the Orioles a solid 4 games a year. Those games are indispensable.


I feel so bad for that guy.  He plays day in & day out for so many crappy teams over so many years, and then they finally build a contender and he can't stay on the field.

But hey, that just means more playing time for Ryan Flaherty & Alexi Casilla!
 
2013-05-14 06:53:56 PM

Harv72b: degenerate-afro: Don't forget about Brian Roberts. He gives the Orioles a solid 4 games a year. Those games are indispensable.

I feel so bad for that guy.  He plays day in & day out for so many crappy teams over so many years, and then they finally build a contender and he can't stay on the field.

But hey, that just means more playing time for Ryan Flaherty & Alexi Casilla!


The bad part is that he's better than both Flaherty and Casilla when he's healthy.  It's too bad he's never healthy.
 
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