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(Guardian)   Bangladesh's government to garment workers: Okay, maybe you were right, maybe you guys DO need unions after all. Well, those of you not currently buried under tons of rubble, anyway   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 62
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2013-05-13 05:23:24 PM
Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.
 
2013-05-13 05:25:21 PM
Fewer people died in this tragedy than during 9/11. Typical government overstepping its boundaries
 
2013-05-13 05:25:22 PM
This is the moment when the people start getting rights back from businesses, it is also the moment before a society really takes off.
 
2013-05-13 05:25:45 PM
Bangladesh's government agreed on Monday to allow the country's 4 million garment workers to form trade unions without prior permission from factory owners

Wow, great system they had there. May as well require the chickens to ask permission from the fox not to be eaten.
 
2013-05-13 05:27:13 PM
Walmart and Target moving their garment production from Bangladesh to some other third world shiathole in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Maybe it'll go to Haiti this time. X.x
 
2013-05-13 05:27:22 PM
This is such BS.
Now they will have to pay them more and then we will have to pay more to buy their stuff and that will mean we all need to get paid more and that will involve some money getting.........RE.....RE......r...e dist....

I can't even bring myself to say it, THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-05-13 05:28:31 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.


Governments crack down on anything that embarrasses them -- it rarely matters who those people are.

As a for instance, Roosevelt cracked down on the unions during WWII when they tried doing sympathy strikes in war industries.

Although the TSF guys largely got away with it.
 
2013-05-13 05:30:34 PM
George Harrison is not going to write you another song.
 
2013-05-13 05:33:42 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.


You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?
 
2013-05-13 05:36:33 PM

lockers: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?


None of those involved significant numbers of dead bodies. Just look at the expansion of FDA authority - practically every such expansion is built on a pile of dead or maimed patients. In particular, it usually takes dead children before the lobbyists can be outmaneuvered, and even that is no guarantee (cf. Sandy Hook).
 
2013-05-13 05:37:01 PM
At last, the emergence of the Bangladeshi Anti-Reagan.
 
2013-05-13 05:40:37 PM
Unions in Bangladesh? That giant sucking noise you hear is the sound of your jerbs heading to Mozambique.
 
2013-05-13 05:43:39 PM

lockers: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?


Money getting swindled is always a-okay in the USA.  Lots of people getting killed is another matter.
 
2013-05-13 05:45:29 PM
lockers:
You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?

I'm thinking nothing less then some rich A-hole(s) deciding A Modest Proposal was a good idea rather then satire *and* a simultaneous strike in every major sport.
 
2013-05-13 06:02:51 PM
Happy to see at least one good thing that came from this tragedy
 
2013-05-13 06:17:56 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: lockers: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?

Money getting swindled is always a-okay in the USA.  Lots of people getting killed is another matter.


I dunno, an entire town just blew up in Texas and exactly NOTHING has happened because of that. Or will.
 
2013-05-13 06:29:52 PM
A union will either be the spontaneous project of the workers themselves or worthless. A government- or business-granted union is possibly worse than no union at all, since it may delay the formation of genuine unions.
 
2013-05-13 06:32:35 PM
And to think all it took was an enormous catastrophe that turned the myopic eyes of the world to their untenable working conditions.

Was that really so hard? They should've had a building collapse and a thousand people die years ago!
 
2013-05-13 06:39:01 PM
They need unions to prevent a building collapse?  How about building codes?

That could have been an apartment building instead of a work place.
 
2013-05-13 06:42:57 PM
Bangladesh's government agreed on Monday to allow the country's 4 million garment workers to form trade unions without prior permission from factory owners

There should be no laws that prevent anyone from organizing into a group to pursue a common goal.  Also, there should be no law that gives that group the power to force others to bargain with it.
 
2013-05-13 06:47:50 PM
I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.
 
2013-05-13 06:50:24 PM
I guess this is Bangladesh's Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.

It's always aggravating that it takes a great tragedy before governments and companies finally decide to pass legislation and improve conditions for the people.

Unless, of course, it's a mass shooting.
 
2013-05-13 06:56:38 PM
Corey Doctorow, For The Win
 
2013-05-13 06:57:21 PM

Ishkur: I guess this is Bangladesh's Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.

It's always aggravating that it takes a great tragedy before governments and companies finally decide to pass legislation and improve conditions for the people.

Unless, of course, it's a mass shooting.


That's only in America. Australia was able to get a handle on things.
 
2013-05-13 06:57:49 PM

farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.


Unions fight pretty hard for worker safety and agencies like OSHA. It's not all about protecting the guy who sits there reading the newspaper on the clock. Oh yeah, unions fight hard for civil rights, which REALLY upsets the Teabaggers.
 
2013-05-13 06:58:46 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: lockers: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Governments too closely aligned with business interests generally need massive and sickening tragedies to enact reform.  Cf. Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

You mean like the subprime lending fiasco and the bankruptcy of Leahman. hmm.  How about MF Global? I gotta ask, just how much of a cluster fark do we need to happen to drain the swamp here in the US?

Money getting swindled is always a-okay in the USA.  Lots of people getting killed is another matter.


Well, it's "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happyness" after all. I see nothing in there about not being bilked.
 
2013-05-13 07:09:12 PM
Sounds like they need building codes (and the regulation thereof) first.

I'm guessing this is what can happen when a corporation can buy its way out of inspections and dirty government meddling in free enterprise.
 
2013-05-13 07:10:50 PM

TomD9938: They need unions to prevent a building collapse?  How about building codes?

That could have been an apartment building instead of a work place.


This. The primary purpose of a union shouldn't be worker safety. That should be baked right into the system for everyone.

/yet another reason why I'd glad to live in the First World
 
2013-05-13 07:19:06 PM
Don't worry, Walmart shoppers...  The Koch brothers are on it.
 
2013-05-13 07:21:31 PM

Zul the Magnificent: Corey Doctorow, For The Win


Heh. Just read that one a few weeks ago.
 
2013-05-13 07:25:51 PM
But but, trickle down economy!

farkers...
 
2013-05-13 07:28:39 PM

farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.


I'm going to do you a favour and assume you're just not trolling.


Because a union can call their unionized members to not work under terms that are unsafe.
 
2013-05-13 07:37:47 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Sounds like they need building codes (and the regulation thereof) first.

I'm guessing this is what can happen when a corporation can buy its way out of inspections and dirty government meddling in free enterprise.


Bangladesh is run on the Tammany Hall system. If there is a single senior Bangladeshi elected official or government bureaucrat that *isn't* as corrupt as all hell, it's because he or she isn't in a position that would be worth corrupting. And most of the mid-level officials and bureaucrats are just as corrupt, it's just considered to be the normal state of affairs there. You want your illegally-constructed, definitely-unsafe and certainly-over-capacity building to not get inspected? Ask the building inspector how much he or she wants to forget everything, and whether or not it will be a one-time payment, or on the installment plan.
 
2013-05-13 07:46:41 PM

spawn73: farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.

I'm going to do you a favour and assume you're just not trolling.

Because a union can call their unionized members to not work under terms that are unsafe.


So they'll starve then?
 
2013-05-13 07:56:32 PM
Just a thought:

Rather than have our stuff made on the other side of the planet by people who make 25 cents a day...

Have stuff made here by people who get paid a decent wage. Besides saving a fortune on shipping, by giving people good jobs they can buy better things, preferably also made by people here making a good wage, thus strengthening the economy. You know, the way things were before the mid-70s with the oil crisis and the rise of neoliberalism.

As for people in Bangladesh and other developing nations, they too can make things for their local markets while getting paid a good wage. This could also mean these nations could pull themselves out of the perpetual poverty they are currently stuck in.

Trade would still exist, but it would be based on specialty products that can only be made in certain parts of the world. For example, food and resources which can only be found in country A can be exported to country B, and vice-versa.

/thing that frustrates me the most is it doesn't matter if your products are bought at Walmart or the $$$ expensive stores, they are still made in Asia by slave labour
//only difference is the amount of profit the guy upstairs gets to take home with him
 
2013-05-13 08:03:58 PM
It should read presently buried under rubble, not currently.
 
2013-05-13 08:06:33 PM

Electrify: Have stuff made here by people who get paid a decent wage. Besides saving a fortune on shipping, by giving people good jobs they can buy better things, preferably also made by people here making a good wage, thus strengthening the economy. You know, the way things were before the mid-70s with the oil crisis and the rise of neoliberalism.


I think the whole 80s mindset of hostile takeovers and mergers had something to do with that. Companies realized that they needed a war chest to protect themselves against corporate raiders, so it became necessary not just to make money, but to make A LOT OF MONEY and lay away the profits for insurance, liability and other protection clauses, like neighboring territories in Risk piling up battalions every turn. So off-shoring became not an optional but a compulsory component of corporate behavior.

And that's really where most of the money is today -- locked up in corporate trust accounts. No one owns it. It belongs to companies and the only thing gets spent on is consuming other companies.
 
2013-05-13 08:10:42 PM

ClavellBCMI: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Sounds like they need building codes (and the regulation thereof) first.

I'm guessing this is what can happen when a corporation can buy its way out of inspections and dirty government meddling in free enterprise.

Bangladesh is run on the Tammany Hall system. If there is a single senior Bangladeshi elected official or government bureaucrat that *isn't* as corrupt as all hell, it's because he or she isn't in a position that would be worth corrupting. And most of the mid-level officials and bureaucrats are just as corrupt, it's just considered to be the normal state of affairs there. You want your illegally-constructed, definitely-unsafe and certainly-over-capacity building to not get inspected? Ask the building inspector how much he or she wants to forget everything, and whether or not it will be a one-time payment, or on the installment plan.


Except for this guy:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakhruddin_Ahmed
 
2013-05-13 08:14:29 PM
Workers of the world, unite?
/// runs for cover....
 
2013-05-13 08:17:42 PM

farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.


Simple:
1. Make these workplaces union shops.
2. Make sure health, building and safety codes are adhered to. If they are not, shut down the entire industry. There is strength in numbers, and Nike must have it's sneakers on time.
3. Make sure the bosses understand that from now on they don't have all the power to themselves. Power in the workplace must now be shared with their employees.

Number three is what we used to have here in this country, but that is being slowly chipped away as corporations buy their way out of dealing with unions, as well as supplying copious amounts of cash to wall street suits to destroy pensions and other workplace benefits unions have fought for.
 
2013-05-13 08:31:22 PM
So now we need to go to another country to find the cheapest slave labour? It was only 3000 or so killed. You think they would get over their grief and think of the multinational corporations that are going to leave, because they want to be greedy with safe places to work.
 
2013-05-13 09:06:36 PM

BMFPitt: Bangladesh's government agreed on Monday to allow the country's 4 million garment workers to form trade unions without prior permission from factory owners

There should be no laws that prevent anyone from organizing into a group to pursue a common goal.  Also, there should be no law that gives that group the power to force others to bargain with it.


You're opposed to central banks and public utilities?

Just saying...life ain't that simple.
 
2013-05-13 09:10:12 PM

Electrify: Just a thought:

Rather than have our stuff made on the other side of the planet by people who make 25 cents a day...

Have stuff made here by people who get paid a decent wage. Besides saving a fortune on shipping,


Gonna stop you right there.  I have no problem with people earning a living, but global shipping is dirt cheap.

The modern container system that's put so many US workers out of work, ironically, was invented by a Teamster, iirc.
 
2013-05-13 09:16:48 PM

scalpod: spawn73: farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.

I'm going to do you a favour and assume you're just not trolling.

Because a union can call their unionized members to not work under terms that are unsafe.

So they'll starve then?


Who are you? Are you the 1%?

No, 1%, they'll take what they need, by force of numbers.


Are you not 1%, baaaaah, sheep.
 
2013-05-13 09:34:20 PM

farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.


The unions usually consider safety a higher priority than money, believe it or not.

/money isnt worth shiat when you're dead and/or maimed
 
2013-05-13 09:34:48 PM

PunGent: BMFPitt: Bangladesh's government agreed on Monday to allow the country's 4 million garment workers to form trade unions without prior permission from factory owners

There should be no laws that prevent anyone from organizing into a group to pursue a common goal.  Also, there should be no law that gives that group the power to force others to bargain with it.

You're opposed to central banks and public utilities?

Just saying...life ain't that simple.


Just saying that you imagine that there are laws that force people to do business with central banks and public utilities? What happens if you don't? When are we going to round up the Amish?
 
2013-05-13 10:26:07 PM
Places like India and China, where unions serve a purpose and actually do what they're suppose to do.

As opposed to places like the United States, where they have become the corrupt, greedy, power abusing organizations that they used to be against.
 
2013-05-13 10:39:22 PM

spawn73: scalpod: spawn73: farkeruk: I'm sorry, but how is raising the minimum wage or unionisation going to help to make these places safer? I'm pretty sure that making sure that building inspectors do their farking jobs is the answer.

I'm going to do you a favour and assume you're just not trolling.

Because a union can call their unionized members to not work under terms that are unsafe.

So they'll starve then?

Who are you? Are you the 1%?

No, 1%, they'll take what they need, by force of numbers.


Are you not 1%, baaaaah, sheep.


And you don't think you'll be starving alongside me? How adorable.
 
2013-05-13 10:45:23 PM

randomjsa: As opposed to places like the United States, where they have become the corrupt, greedy, power abusing organizations that they used to be against.


You know less than 12% of the United States labor force is union, right:?

/down from a peak of 37% in 1973
//and you notice that living standards have decreased since then?
///while corporations are sitting on $1.3 trillion?
////is any of this connecting with you?
 
2013-05-13 10:46:27 PM
Meh. The free market will solve this problem.
 
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