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2013-05-13 04:47:14 PM
I'm sure it's a nice article but - hot chick holding her gourd...
 
2013-05-13 05:08:07 PM
That is not healthy food, that is a result from big agriculture changing their processing/handling of food.
 
2013-05-13 05:09:44 PM
The environment is being destroyed because people consume more than they need.
 
2013-05-13 05:10:15 PM
Asparagus greatly reduces the air quality in my house.
 
2013-05-13 05:10:16 PM
I've heard this before.  If we just use DDT, Agent Orange, and plutonium to treat our crops and food, then St. Reagangod will fart rainbows through the clouds and everybody will get rich and the vegetables will greet us as liberators.  But if we don't do that, liberal fascism will cause us to explode.
 
2013-05-13 05:14:11 PM
i save the environment

i eat twinkies
 
2013-05-13 05:15:13 PM
You ever seen what that food does to a toilet?
 
2013-05-13 05:17:30 PM

LegacyDL: The environment is being destroyed because people consume more than they need.


Socialist.
 
2013-05-13 05:17:50 PM
F'ing carrots....
 
2013-05-13 05:18:47 PM
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-05-13 05:19:34 PM
Article: Clearing land of native vegetation, erecting fences, and covering everything with poison to deter wildlife so that agribusiness can spend as little as possible to get as much as possible is destroying the environment.
Headline: Healthy foods are destroying the environment.

Way to play the "bait and switch", there, Salon.
 
2013-05-13 05:19:44 PM
Although the standards were designed to eliminate potential sources of contamination by mandating that crop sites be cleared of vegetation and kept a certain distance from wildlife and natural bodies of water, they have had some unintended consequences-namely, the destruction of habitats, the degradation of soil and the pollution of rivers and streams.

Right. Because big agro has been the picture of environmental stewardship on the flip side.
 
2013-05-13 05:19:49 PM
D) Overpopulation.
 
2013-05-13 05:21:10 PM
E coli on my salad makes me crappy.
 
2013-05-13 05:22:19 PM

LegacyDL: The environment is being destroyed because people consume more than they need.


Exactly -- decrease rations!

kloipy.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-13 05:23:23 PM
Tomorrow on Salon: Healthy People Are Gaywads, Fat People Rule
 
2013-05-13 05:23:25 PM
Manbearpig!!!
 
2013-05-13 05:25:04 PM

groppet: You ever seen what that food does to a toilet?


True environmentalists don't use a toilet.  They poop in a can and compost it.
 
2013-05-13 05:25:54 PM
rlv.zcache.com
/This ... so ... yeah just that.
//poison 0 / organic 0
 
2013-05-13 05:26:43 PM
Well, blow me colon
static.comicvine.com
 
2013-05-13 05:26:48 PM

sigdiamond2000: Tomorrow on Salon: Healthy People Are Gaywads, Fat People Rule


Next : stupid people are the future, knowing stuff is really dangerous
 
2013-05-13 05:28:28 PM

UberDave: I'm sure it's a nice article but - hot chick holding her gourd...


media.salon.com

What's with both suspender straps over one shoulder? Is this some hippie fashion thing I'm unaware of?
 
2013-05-13 05:31:14 PM

Smeggy Smurf: groppet: You ever seen what that food does to a toilet?

True environmentalists don't use a toilet.  They poop in a can and compost it.


I don't know of any sources that recommend composting human waste.
 
2013-05-13 05:33:03 PM

This text is now purple: Smeggy Smurf: groppet: You ever seen what that food does to a toilet?

True environmentalists don't use a toilet.  They poop in a can and compost it.

I don't know of any sources that recommend composting human waste.


They do it in ching-chong land all the time.
 
2013-05-13 05:36:22 PM
An Economist Gets Lunch.

Just read it, already. Sigh.
 
2013-05-13 05:37:19 PM
Decisions frequently result in unintended consequences... so don't make decisions.
 
2013-05-13 05:40:26 PM
I worked a weekend farmers market in highschool selling hydroponic lettuce and herbs. One day our friendly competitor: the organic salad stall was away so the organic eco friendly crowd came to my stall.
The first was a woman with her hessian bag and Gucci sunglasses. "Excuse me, but is this lettuce organic?"
"No, it's grown in water and fertilized"
"Oh. So will I have to wash it then?"
...

Of course you have to farking wash it, it's fresh produce. In fact, I'd be especially washing my organic food since it is growing in animal shiat and rotting vegetation.

I was asked this question repeatedly throughout the day.

Wash your food people!
 
2013-05-13 05:41:53 PM
What are the next counter-intuitive headlines?

"Racism cures cancer!"
"Killing puppies can lower your cholesterol"
"Sarcasm significantly decreases air pollution"

i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-13 05:43:01 PM
I'm intrigued by the headline's implication that only the production of healthy food involves crops. What are Doritos made of again?
 
2013-05-13 05:44:30 PM
This is typical of almost all food regulation.  It goes too far to fix the problem and pays no attention to real world consequences.  In the restaurant that I own we have a vacuum packer, mostly used to put meat that's been portioned up into a reduced oxygen environment to increase the shelf life.  The other day the health inspector came in and told us that we have to have a HACCP (Hazard Analysis/Critical Control Point) plan, approved by the state of CA (who has two workers approving all the plans in the state, imagine the backlog) in order to use the thing.  In the past this kind of plan has been required for large meat packers and wholesalers, not small restaurants.  Now we have to develop a plan ourselves (probably take 100 hours or so to do it) or pay someone (about $500 bucks) and then spend 10 minutes each time we use the thing recording temperature and labeling bags.  Just to have a farking vacuum packer that we don't even use to sell packaged products to the public.  Freakin' crazy.
 
2013-05-13 05:46:22 PM

flux: I'm intrigued by the headline's implication that only the production of healthy food involves crops. What are Doritos made of again?


Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,-
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
 
2013-05-13 05:47:04 PM

This text is now purple: Smeggy Smurf: groppet: You ever seen what that food does to a toilet?

True environmentalists don't use a toilet.  They poop in a can and compost it.

I don't know of any sources that recommend composting human waste.


http://humanurehandbook.com/
 
2013-05-13 05:47:38 PM
Since the article is shiat and has nothing to do with headline...

media.salon.com

Why did she dye her hair? It looks terrible with her skin and eyebrows. She'd look so much better with the natural dark hair.
 
2013-05-13 05:48:50 PM
I'm about as hippie as the stereotypical Vancouverite (veggies from Whole Foods/farmer's markets, staples like beans from Wal-mart), but one thing I've been wondering about the "Grow Local" movement; what's the point?

I can see freshness being a factor, and supporting local farmers, but they also like to tout the energy savings. While I'm thinking "the energy saved from shipping from within 100 miles vs. from within 1500 miles is still dwarfed by the hundreds of consumers all driving to the same spot to pick up that item."

I guess it's aggregate.
 
2013-05-13 05:49:42 PM

LegacyDL: The environment is being destroyed because people consume more than they need.


If every human took the bare minimum we would still be destroying the environment..
 
2013-05-13 05:50:19 PM

Nexzus: I'm about as hippie as the stereotypical Vancouverite (veggies from Whole Foods/farmer's markets, staples like beans from Wal-mart), but one thing I've been wondering about the "Grow Local" movement; what's the point?

I can see freshness being a factor, and supporting local farmers, but they also like to tout the energy savings. While I'm thinking "the energy saved from shipping from within 100 miles vs. from within 1500 miles is still dwarfed by the hundreds of consumers all driving to the same spot to pick up that item."

I guess it's aggregate.


derp
 
2013-05-13 05:51:32 PM

wax_on: This is typical of almost all food regulation.  It goes too far to fix the problem and pays no attention to real world consequences.  In the restaurant that I own we have a vacuum packer, mostly used to put meat that's been portioned up into a reduced oxygen environment to increase the shelf life.  The other day the health inspector came in and told us that we have to have a HACCP (Hazard Analysis/Critical Control Point) plan, approved by the state of CA (who has two workers approving all the plans in the state, imagine the backlog) in order to use the thing.  In the past this kind of plan has been required for large meat packers and wholesalers, not small restaurants.  Now we have to develop a plan ourselves (probably take 100 hours or so to do it) or pay someone (about $500 bucks) and then spend 10 minutes each time we use the thing recording temperature and labeling bags.  Just to have a farking vacuum packer that we don't even use to sell packaged products to the public.  Freakin' crazy.



Yea, that sounds about right for California.  ...but hey, by doing all that pointless paperwork you're helping make work for people in the public and private sectors who would otherwise be useless, so take pride in having done your civic duty.

/half the work done in this state appears to be "make-work"
 
2013-05-13 05:54:09 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Since the article is shiat and has nothing to do with headline...

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Why did she dye her hair? It looks terrible with her skin and eyebrows. She'd look so much better with the natural dark hair.


www.blogcdn.com

Either dye both hair and eyebrows or neither -- but this is distracting.
 
2013-05-13 06:24:12 PM

jshine: God-is-a-Taco: Since the article is shiat and has nothing to do with headline...

[media.salon.com image 368x244]

Why did she dye her hair? It looks terrible with her skin and eyebrows. She'd look so much better with the natural dark hair.

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Either dye both hair and eyebrows or neither -- but this is distracting.


It's a wig.
 
2013-05-13 06:28:51 PM

uncleacid: E coli on my salad makes me crappy.


That's a John Denver song, right?
 
2013-05-13 06:38:37 PM

Snazzy1: uncleacid: E coli on my salad makes me crappy.

That's a John Denver song, right?


Yes, great song writer , bad pilot.
 
2013-05-13 06:40:42 PM
Meh, the whole thing is that everyone wants convenience and to feel morally superior too. They want organic natural chemical-free produce, at their local grocery store at all times of year at competitive prices. Both are not possible. Either it will be cheap and convenient, or it will be inconvenient or expensive.

But you can't lay it off on "evil agribusiness" or whoever your favorite target is--it's just supply and demand. Natural is what people want, so that's what has to be given.
 
2013-05-13 06:42:52 PM
There's no free lunch hippies!

/And if there was, it would taste like ass
 
2013-05-13 06:46:27 PM

uncleacid: Snazzy1: uncleacid: E coli on my salad makes me crappy.

That's a John Denver song, right?

Yes, great song writer , bad pilot.


That John Denver was full of shiat.
 
2013-05-13 06:51:13 PM
Yeah subby, I think you trolled me. Regulations designed by agriculture companies to reduce foodborne illness destroy habitat, don't work? Should I be surprised?

It seems to me some electric fencing to keep the pigs out would probably do the job (if I remember it was pig poop that caused one of the outbreaks). That and training ag workers to not pick lettuce that is visibly contaminated. But ultimately I wonder how much it is down to the consumer, if people don't have enough basic sense to wash their lettuce then yeah, they'll get sick.

Maybe ban the bag lettuce from advertising how many times it's been washed and require a warning on it to the effect of, "wash your lettuce!". I think bag lettuce was one of the problems, and a lot of those advertise "washed three times" and other crap that is misleading to say the least.
 
2013-05-13 06:55:17 PM

Nexzus: I'm about as hippie as the stereotypical Vancouverite (veggies from Whole Foods/farmer's markets, staples like beans from Wal-mart), but one thing I've been wondering about the "Grow Local" movement; what's the point?

I can see freshness being a factor, and supporting local farmers, but they also like to tout the energy savings. While I'm thinking "the energy saved from shipping from within 100 miles vs. from within 1500 miles is still dwarfed by the hundreds of consumers all driving to the same spot to pick up that item."

I guess it's aggregate.


The grow local movement assumes that consumers will be driving somewhere to pick up their produce irregardless of source, so that is a sunk cost that contributes neither a positive or a negative  to environmental impact. They would prefer if you were able to walk or drive to your food, but that is a entire different facet of the fight.

/I'm a historian, so I tend to lean towards agribusiness, as I like eating. I think it goes more good overall then harm.
//Yes, I know the harm it does, environmental, social, and economic.
///Got bread covered, I guess this is my circuses.
 
2013-05-13 07:02:49 PM

adamatari: Yeah subby, I think you trolled me. Regulations designed by agriculture companies to reduce foodborne illness destroy habitat, don't work? Should I be surprised?

It seems to me some electric fencing to keep the pigs out would probably do the job (if I remember it was pig poop that caused one of the outbreaks). That and training ag workers to not pick lettuce that is visibly contaminated. But ultimately I wonder how much it is down to the consumer, if people don't have enough basic sense to wash their lettuce then yeah, they'll get sick.

Maybe ban the bag lettuce from advertising how many times it's been washed and require a warning on it to the effect of, "wash your lettuce!". I think bag lettuce was one of the problems, and a lot of those advertise "washed three times" and other crap that is misleading to say the least.


The pig poop is deliberately applied (manure = fertilizer).  The problem with using manure and compost is that it's really not all that nutritious in terms of NPK, so you have put lots and lots on, and since you need so much, they can't wait for the manure to fully decay before they put it on.

And it's not obvious that the produce is contaminated.  The e-coli makes it into the plant via osmosis, so it looks just fine.
 
2013-05-13 07:12:16 PM

uncleacid: Snazzy1: uncleacid: E coli on my salad makes me crappy.

That's a John Denver song, right?

Yes, great song writer , bad pilot.


♫  If you're gonna fly,
And don't want to die,
Don't be an ass,
Check your gas ♫
 
2013-05-13 07:19:22 PM
all three?
 
2013-05-13 07:20:46 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: uncleacid: Snazzy1: uncleacid: E coli on my salad makes me crappy.

That's a John Denver song, right?

Yes, great song writer , bad pilot.

♫  If you're gonna fly,
And don't want to die,
Don't be an ass,
Check your gas ♫


Had to chuckle at that.
 
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