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(Public Policy Polling)   42% of Americans have an unfavorable view of hipsters. Subby had an unfavorable view of them before it was mainstream   (publicpolicypolling.com) divider line 161
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IP
2013-05-13 02:34:05 PM  
 
2013-05-13 02:36:13 PM  

GreenAdder: meat0918: Hipster is a generic catch all for "Stop liking things I don't like"

People need to learn it's okay to not like things..


I think people need to learn it's okay to like things.
It's cool to hate. Except dogs and cats, for some reason.
 
2013-05-13 02:36:32 PM  

fireclown: NostroZ: Clearly, those Americans have never read the constitution or passed their civics exam to think that a group can be taxed purely because someone does not like them. It would fall under a type of Bill of Attainder, which is prohibited by Congress

hell, that's basicly the reasoning behind the movement to raise taxes on the superrich.

/not gonna be affected by THAT law.


Yes, and taxes on sin products like alcohol and tabacco are also similar, but those are uniform.
This survey stated that hipsters should pay a SPECIAL TAX for being ANNOYING.

Annoyance is a criminal misdimenor act (i.e. public disturbance, disturbing the peace, etc.) and therefore, a law targeting hipsters for being annoying with a tax is illegal under the US law.  This was tried with the rail roads by small towns that did not want them going through them and it was decided it's illegal to tax a group you don't like.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:11 PM  
I think it's a lot like what Justice Potter Stewart said about obscenity: "I know it when I see it".

Although in the case of hipsters, I would add, "and I hate it."
 
2013-05-13 02:37:54 PM  

IP: Also relevant.


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2013-05-13 02:38:17 PM  

meat0918: Burr: Frankentots: I also have a beard, but it is often shamed by the luscious and lustrous offerings found around here.

I too have a beard, but It is because it is leftover from winter and I have just been lazy and haven't shaved it yet.

I have a beard pretty much since '98 because it waas farking cold outside in the UP of Michigan without it.

Now I keep it because whenever I did the rare shave it all off, everyone around me told me to never shave again.

Seriously. My friends, coworkers, my wife, my kids, all of them look in horror and tell me to never ever shave off my beard.

//My life is an Oatmeal comic...


My current boss apologized for making me shave mine off. Worst thing is I have to stay shaved because I work in a restaurant.
 
2013-05-13 02:40:04 PM  

Tatsuma: I'm so hipster, I watch my Hannibal promos only when they are from korea

(no, seriously, check them out they are insanely awesome)


I don't know what that was, but it broke my brain.
 
2013-05-13 02:40:37 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:41:00 PM  

lokisbong: meat0918: Burr: Frankentots: I also have a beard, but it is often shamed by the luscious and lustrous offerings found around here.

I too have a beard, but It is because it is leftover from winter and I have just been lazy and haven't shaved it yet.

I have a beard pretty much since '98 because it waas farking cold outside in the UP of Michigan without it.

Now I keep it because whenever I did the rare shave it all off, everyone around me told me to never shave again.

Seriously. My friends, coworkers, my wife, my kids, all of them look in horror and tell me to never ever shave off my beard.

//My life is an Oatmeal comic...

My current boss apologized for making me shave mine off. Worst thing is I have to stay shaved because I work in a restaurant.


I've always had a goatee (the kind that goes from moustache to chin in an "O" shape, not the modern douchebag definition.

I look horrible without one.  I never shave it off. It's like samson cutting his hair.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:29 PM  

unyon: I don't know what that was, but it broke my brain.


Did you click the translation under the video? Because it makes it even better.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:33 PM  
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"About one in five voters (21%) said they thought Pabst Blue Ribbon, commonly associated with hipsters, was a good beer. "
Seems about right.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:34 PM  
Just to define hipsters:
mootr.com

They typically ride bikes, have quirky interests/hobbies, and are anti-consumerist (may enjoy fashion, but shop at thrift stores... or make their own clothes, for girls... replace clothes with beer for guys).
 
2013-05-13 02:42:26 PM  
 
2013-05-13 02:44:11 PM  
What do you call the "right wing" hipster?
I work with a few of them.
They match most of the typical hipster traits, except they are fans of Ayn Rand and display "Who is John Galt?" bumper stickers.
 
2013-05-13 02:45:09 PM  
This was relevant before hating hipsters was mainstream; you've probably never heard of it. (Language NSFW)
 
2013-05-13 02:45:22 PM  

People are free to adopt whatever uniform/code of conduct suits them. But when someone is so obviously a conformist, it's more than a little annoying that they loudly insist they are not.



Nonconformity Linked To Peer Pressure

ATHENS, GA-According to a study released Tuesday by the University of Georgia's Institute For Social Research, a strong link exists between nonconformity and peer pressure among teenagers and young adults.

Commissioned in 1995 to examine the growing trend of nonconformity among 13- to 21-year-olds, the three-year study found that 85 percent of U.S. youths actively defy standard societal norms-adopting "alternative" modes of language, behavior and dress-as a means of winning the acceptance and approval of their peers.

"Kids today are told, over and over, by their classmates, their siblings, and images on TV and in magazines, that normal, mainstream behavior isn't 'cool,'" institute director and study co-chair Iris Evantine said. "The message these kids are receiving is: 'C'mon, don't you want to be different like us?' Sadly, kids who resist these pressures to be different are usually ostracized. For the average teenager these days, the pressure not to do what everyone else does is enormous, and often unbearable."
 
2013-05-13 02:45:35 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:46:20 PM  
Hipster is a younger person? Huh.. didn't know that. My friend is in his 40's and is (what I thought) the very definitely of hipster. Goes out of his way to talk about obscure movies and music. Plus he pretty much thinks he's better than everyone else because he would never set foot in a mainstream restaurant!  He even dresses his newborn son in "hipster" clothes so to speak. Honeslty, the little guy does look cute in them. Plus he doesn't need glasses but wears big geeky black ones that make me want to smack him, but hey .. we all have our quirks I guess.

I could be wrong and he may just be annoying and not a hipster. I just think of that when I see/talk to him.
 
2013-05-13 02:49:09 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Pretty much anyone who stands out in a crowd is now considered a hipster. Think they're so special, dressing differently. Conform you bastards!


Except that hipsters are known for wearing skinny jeans, shopping at thrift stores, getting apartments in scary areas, having weird part time jobs, drinking PBR. Kinda becomes it's own uniform and conformity. I wonder if this was the similar percentage of people thought that beatniks were annoying in the 50's.
 
2013-05-13 02:50:15 PM  

Latinwolf: MelGoesOnTour: Hmmm, I dunno---to me, at least, it's pretty clear what a hipster is so I'm not sure why anyone would say " the vast majority of people who hate hipsters have no farking idea what a hipster is in the first place".

Then why don't you tell us what you think a hipster is?


Basically, they are self-important assholes who think they are "artists" or otherwise "more in-tune than everyone else".
 
2013-05-13 02:53:34 PM  
 
2013-05-13 02:53:57 PM  

The Flexecutioner: i googled NBA hipster and evidently it means having large red glasses.

but i also remembered this and didnt realize it was now on a t-shirt.

i kind of want it.  kind of.

[skreened.com image 760x760]


Oh god damn it! I'm trying to remember that guy's name! Kurt.... Damn it! Why am I so old?! And he was actually my hero when he played for the Lakers. Go Nerdy White Guy!!!
 
2013-05-13 02:54:43 PM  

NostroZ: Just to define hipsters:
[mootr.com image 450x303]

They typically ride bikes, have quirky interests/hobbies, and are anti-consumerist (may enjoy fashion, but shop at thrift stores... or make their own clothes, for girls... replace clothes with beer for guys).


Not really...gardening, sewing, farming, hunting, music, art, etc are not quirky. Maybe compared to where they grew up but not for many people in this country. A lot of my friends act more like a grandma than my grandma did. It's a modern take on blue collar culture in a lot of cases. The whiskey bar with taxidermy on the walls. The fancy roach coaches. Music with banjos...etc.

But every generation has their own style and codes. From zoot suits and disco divas to hipsters today. They are no different from the punk rock or grunge kids i had as friends.
 
2013-05-13 02:55:22 PM  

fireclown: NostroZ: Clearly, those Americans have never read the constitution or passed their civics exam to think that a group can be taxed purely because someone does not like them. It would fall under a type of Bill of Attainder, which is prohibited by Congress

hell, that's basicly the reasoning behind the movement to raise taxes on the superrich.

/not gonna be affected by THAT law.


I doubt "not liking them" is the reasoning behind taxing the rich. I'm fairly certain it has more to do with the fact that the rich have abused the system to the point of there being a disparity between the classes that calls for action considering the upper-class tax evasion professionals have kind of tilted the table and rigged the game in a manner that only include more for them and less for everybody else.
 
2013-05-13 02:56:56 PM  

Tatsuma: The vast majority of people who hate hipsters have no farking idea what a hipster is in the first place. It's one of the top 3 most misused word on the internet, along with emo and troll.


The term "vast majority" is used by the vast majority of people that pull facts out of their collective ass.
 
2013-05-13 02:58:35 PM  
ironically, a large portion of that 42% are hipsters.
 
2013-05-13 03:00:22 PM  

Carth: If Hipsters are the people who buy from small independent business instead of box stores, support local farmers instead of buying their food at Sam's Club and buy used or made in America clothes instead of cheap imported articles from Asia while spending their free time doing a random hobby they enjoy and creating something instead of just consuming whatever content is on TV i think the country would be a lot better with more hipsters.


It's the holier-than-thou attitude that comes with that package that people don't like and the fact they are usually living off of mommy and daddy still.
 
2013-05-13 03:04:02 PM  

Tatsuma: The vast majority of people who hate hipsters have no farking idea what a hipster is in the first place. It's one of the top 3 most misused word on the internet, along with emo and troll.


Bingo.

The hipsters I've known over the years were broke as anything, bohemian because they were broke, creative types. They were also some of the most fool hardy brave people that I know. They would go to the worst neighborhoods because the rents were cheap and rent all the apartments and go to work into making the neighborhood a habitable place. Williamsburg was a blight that Detroit wouldn't venture to after dark before the hipsters moved in.

You want to rebuild the war torn Middle East? Start a rumor among hipsters that the rents there are dirt cheap, there's plenty of empty stores to set up shop and the local delis are good. Then sit back and watch them work. In a decade time, Afghanistan will look like Portland.
 
2013-05-13 03:05:57 PM  

Astorix: Except that hipsters are known for wearing skinny jeans, shopping at thrift stores, getting apartments in scary areas, having weird part time jobs, drinking PBR.


Maybe originally, but it's become a catch-all term.

Every time i hear it now i'm reminded of this guy from Fear and Loathing, and his classifications.
 
2013-05-13 03:14:04 PM  

mekki: You want to rebuild the war torn Middle East? Start a rumor among hipsters that the rents there are dirt cheap, there's plenty of empty stores to set up shop and the local delis are good. Then sit back and watch them work. In a decade time, Afghanistan will look like Portland.


I was just thinking that the would needs more artesional hummus.
 
2013-05-13 03:14:27 PM  
I want to see some hipster porn, if only to take them down a peg or two.
 
2013-05-13 03:14:53 PM  
Luckily, cracked.com has already covered this:

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2013-05-13 03:18:02 PM  

mekki: Tatsuma: The vast majority of people who hate hipsters have no farking idea what a hipster is in the first place. It's one of the top 3 most misused word on the internet, along with emo and troll.

Bingo.

The hipsters I've known over the years were broke as anything, bohemian because they were broke, creative types. They were also some of the most fool hardy brave people that I know. They would go to the worst neighborhoods because the rents were cheap and rent all the apartments and go to work into making the neighborhood a habitable place. Williamsburg was a blight that Detroit wouldn't venture to after dark before the hipsters moved in.

You want to rebuild the war torn Middle East? Start a rumor among hipsters that the rents there are dirt cheap, there's plenty of empty stores to set up shop and the local delis are good. Then sit back and watch them work. In a decade time, Afghanistan will look like Portland.


Sweet Christ, the poor Afghanis have already suffered decades of war, haven't they been through enough?
 
Ant
2013-05-13 03:18:34 PM  
I only hate them ironically
 
2013-05-13 03:18:55 PM  
I'd wager $87.30 that the vast majority of older responders to this poll thought that it was asking about hippies, instead of hipsters, which they have never even heard of.
 
2013-05-13 03:25:21 PM  

seventypercent: I'd wager $87.30 that the vast majority of older responders to this poll thought that it was asking about hippies, instead of hipsters, which they have never even heard of.


The oldster in question wouldn't be THAT far off  base.
 
2013-05-13 03:25:40 PM  

Astorix: J. Frank Parnell: Pretty much anyone who stands out in a crowd is now considered a hipster. Think they're so special, dressing differently. Conform you bastards!

Except that hipsters are known for wearing skinny jeans, shopping at thrift stores, getting apartments in scary areas, having weird part time jobs, drinking PBR. Kinda becomes it's own uniform and conformity. I wonder if this was the similar percentage of people thought that beatniks were annoying in the 50's.


This. Every generation has a style that starts off as "not conforming" and progresses to a uniform. Beat nicks, hippies, punks, grunge rockers, back to punk for some reason, emo, and now hipsters.

I think I kind of qualify... I have a hat collection, I'm a foodie, I buy stuff at the flea market, etc. However, I just plain like those things and don't really look like the traditional hipster (except for the ballin hat). I think the real line is "style over substance" as someone pointed out.
/haters gonna hate
 
2013-05-13 03:31:32 PM  
Hipsters are fine. People who self-identify over how 'obscure' they can be, drop their hobbies and complain once they become mainstream, and favor obscure activities just because they're obscure are annoying.

CSB: I knew someone (a self-identified hipster) who forced her boyfriend to stand there while she went antiquing, degraded and refused to participate in his hobbies because they were too mainstream, refused to go to social get-togethers if they included 'mainstream' stuff (popular movies, video games, etc), and altogether was dismissive of anything that didn't directly interest her. I spent time with her on a few occasions, and it was always what activity she wanted to force on us, not majority rules, not even trying to compromise.

People like her are the reason that all hipsters, no matter how humble, genuine, or laid back, have a bad rep.
 
2013-05-13 03:33:13 PM  

meat0918: Hipster is a generic catch all for "Stop liking things I don't like"


Not so much.

Most of my loathing for hipsters has been their taking over of fairly normal and pedestrian things for the sake of being ironic.
 
2013-05-13 03:34:32 PM  
At this point, hipster just means "anyone who likes stuff I don't like, and doesn't like my stuff"

Over the past few weeks in my real life, people have various described as "hipster" the following:

Using windows xp, using windows 7, using linux, using windows 8, using macos, liking any kind of music but 80s butt hair rock, preferring CD quality audio to mp3, liking music on vinyl, not liking music on vinyl, driving fuel efficient cars, driving fuel guzzling cars, driving anything other than a sedan, vegetarians, carnivores, omnivores, iphones, android phones, ubuntu phones, wine, top shelf whisky, mass produced shiatty beer, mass produced decent beer, craft beer, refrigerators, the rule of law.
 
2013-05-13 03:41:32 PM  
Know who else didn't like people who were different?
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2013-05-13 03:45:50 PM  

thomps: Tatsuma: NostroZ: Probably the same 42% that thinks they will have to use guns to defend against those big city folk.

Mate, I like you, but you really need to drop bringing the right/tea parties into everything.

i  think that the broader point is valid though - "hipster" is just this amorphous word that people use to describe a general idea of something they hate, like "liberals" and "conservatives"


What about just using it to avoid people who describe themselves as such? Fair? I've met a few who quite proudly labeled themselves as hipsters. I thought it was kind of strange, if no other reason than that I was under the casual presumption that REAL hipsters (whatever those may be) shuddered at the label. Is that true?

Distrustful in general of people over the age of twenty or so who are so lacking in self-esteem or identity or whatever that they need to identify themselves with a broader social "group." I'm sure there are other ways to use the term, but so far, at least in my extended group of friends, it seems be code for a group of people who still have a high-school mentality as far as who's "in" and who's "out." And it seems to revolve around things like what restaurants you go to and whether or not you wear large frame glasses without the lenses in, rather than anything normal like who is a cool person to hang out with or where you can find good conversation. I don't know, maybe they're just friends with me because it's ironic to be.
/The worst is being labeled a hipster for simply liking something that you happen to like and they do too.
//I promise, in my case, it's not the glasses.
 
2013-05-13 03:46:30 PM  
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2013-05-13 03:47:05 PM  
People like to biatch about anyone/thing different from them.  Fact.
 
2013-05-13 03:54:15 PM  
A hipster is someone who chooses to live a lifestyle of intentional, self-aware cultural irony, whenever possible. It's the knowledge that they are doing something "different" for the sake of doing something different, not because it's something they likely truly enjoy. It's only the "otherness" that is enjoyed and that enjoyment lasts only long enough until the next gimmick comes along. Or, more accurately, the next gimmick is "remembered" since hipster cultural icons are from the past.

Example...someone never really played video games growing up but got their hands on a NES and some games. They hook it up on their TV (very likely an 80-90s model CRT) and have people over to play it at a party while drinking mint juleps and Pabst Blue Ribbons. Because "look at us, we have iPhones but are playing a 30 year old piece of technology and drinking funny drinks. Isn't this just zany?"

It's probably hipster to use the word "zany" too.
 
2013-05-13 03:54:17 PM  

Carth: If Hipsters are the people who buy from small independent business instead of box stores, support local farmers instead of buying their food at Sam's Club and buy used or made in America clothes instead of cheap imported articles from Asia while spending their free time doing a random hobby they enjoy and creating something instead of just consuming whatever content is on TV i think the country would be a lot better with more hipsters.


Those are hippies. Not hipsters
 
2013-05-13 03:56:26 PM  
Just 16% of Americans have a favorable opinion of hipsters, a new PPP poll on the much-discussed subculture shows. 42% have an unfavorable opinion of hipsters, and 43% aren't sure don't care.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:51 PM  
 
2013-05-13 04:00:11 PM  

AgentBang: A hipster is someone who chooses to live a lifestyle of intentional, self-aware cultural irony, whenever possible. It's the knowledge that they are doing something "different" for the sake of doing something different, not because it's something they likely truly enjoy. It's only the "otherness" that is enjoyed and that enjoyment lasts only long enough until the next gimmick comes along. Or, more accurately, the next gimmick is "remembered" since hipster cultural icons are from the past.

Example...someone never really played video games growing up but got their hands on a NES and some games. They hook it up on their TV (very likely an 80-90s model CRT) and have people over to play it at a party while drinking mint juleps and Pabst Blue Ribbons. Because "look at us, we have iPhones but are playing a 30 year old piece of technology and drinking funny drinks. Isn't this just zany?"

It's probably hipster to use the word "zany" too.


Your little ditty reminded me of this:

"KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck."

..and this:   L. Ron Bumquist: The easiest way to do this is for each of us to try to imagine what is going on inside the possessed mind of a drug addict.  [holds up a joint] The dope fiend refers to the butt of a marijuana cigarette as a "roach". He does so because it resembles a cockroach.You will notice that I have distinguished four distinct types of being in the cannabis and marijuana society. They are "cool", "groovy", "hip" and "square". Seldom, if ever, does one aspire to be "square". If he can figure out what is "happening", he can rise one notch to become "hip", and if he can convince himself to approve of what is "happening", he can become "groovy".  [ominously] Groovy! And then he raise himself to the rank of "cool". He can become one of those... "cool guys".
 
2013-05-13 04:01:00 PM  
Who is it that benefits when the media invents a group of people to hate?  And how?

/Hipsters
//Yuppies
///Boomers
 
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