Lionel Mandrake: So, have the 'baggers decided yet if this is a lazy, incompetent, empty-suited wannabe allowing the IRS to run amok, or a ruthless, nefarious autocrat using his dictatorial power to crush patriots?
Because People in power are Stupid: More like: Tea Party groups are targeting themselves and then blamin' da gubbamint' when they get caught.
Pocket Ninja: I'm actually stunned that the GOP has not yet connected the dots on this, because normally they're pretty good at seeing the larger picture in regards to scandals like this. But consider (and understand here that I'm only asking questions, not making accusations, I only have what's in the public record to guide me on this and so I'm just trying to, as I said, connect the dots) the facts...Benghazi happened on September 11, 2012, which itself was a significant date because the World Trade Center had been attacked exactly 10 years earlier (and the jury is still out on whether that was actually an attack or an inside job). These IRS actions were going on before Benghazi, though...by some reports, they were taking place throughout a good portion of the presidential campaign. So, obviously, Benghazi in no way lead to illegal IRS surveillance of patriot groups.But that's not my point. My point is that what if the real story here is that the Obama administration had been *planning* Benghazi all along? For years, they might have been planning it. In this scenario, they had some some reason for wanting to orchestrate an attack on the US ambassador. There are lots of reasons Obama might have wanted to do this, too many to list here, really, but you could study out a few of them to get an idea of how wide the conspiracy might go. The UN treaty to ban guns, Syria, secret Kenyan alliances...who can really know? Of course, Obama had to know that, no matter how flawless the attack plan, there would have eventually been questions asked. Eventually, there are always questions. So what does he do?I'll tell you what he does. He instructs the IRS to quietly -- very quietly -- begin illegal targeting of patriot groups *months* before Benghazi. And then, when Benghazi happens, he tells the IRS to keep staying quiet. Sshhh, he says. Stay quiet. Verrrrrry quiet. And the Benghazi fever begins to grow, to sprout leaves, to bud and blossom and release its scandal pollen into the air. And ...
Pocket Ninja: KHAZAM -- IRS scandal.
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Why didn't he call it a "TERRORIST ATTACK"???
SlothB77: The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.
Dusk-You-n-Me: Timeline of Written Criteria for Identifying Potential Political Cases, PDFTen Tea Party cases were identified. The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager agreed.A Determinations Unit specialist developed a list of 18 identified Tea Party cases during a search of applications. Three had already been approved as tax-exempt.
DamnYankees: SlothB77: The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.I love the idea of an "IRS handler". It's basically just two words conspiracy nuts put next to each other as though its a real thing.
timujin: The only justification I can raise for this is that these are often the same groups that say they don't like paying taxes. When you publicly state that, you should expect higher scrutiny from the agency responsible for making sure you're paid up.
the_dude_abides: i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategy
factoryconnection: Since we're no doubt going to hear about this until forever, let's all use our partisan thinking caps for a moment of honesty, since we like to fancy ourselves literate thinkers and not automatons:1. Democrats and/or liberals: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that the President (or at least SecTreas) knew about this and thus deserves the coming congressional hearings and giant sh*tting-upon?2. Republicans and/or conservatives: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that this was a rogue field office/agent(s) whose actions were nullified upon discovery?So far I'm upset that even field-level office would do something like this; I'm not surprised because as Farkers prove on a daily basis people can go crazy with politics. I'm mollified by hearing that the scrutiny did not result in the rejection of any tax-exempt status applications, but I want to get details on who/what started the pattern, when, why and how it was dealt with.And yes, for the record I have been hearing about this story since early last week on ultra-libby-lib-lib NPR.
Mrtraveler01: I think Obama was behind the whole thing myself.Study it out people.
SlothB77: But don't worry folks, they will also have access to your health records. Surely they would never use that information against you?Ever had substance abuse treatment? how about HIV treatment? Any mental health issues in your family? The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.
The Muthaship: It was kind of interesting that the focal point seems to be the IRS office in Cincinnati, Ohio. That's located in Hamilton County. The county all the national news media pointed out might be the most important one in the nation in the last presidential election. Might not mean anything. But, it makes the case look more suspicious.
FlashHarry: but, seriously - this sounds like it has nothing to do with the WH. they're just not that stupid.
JerseyTim: "If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous, and there's no place for it," Obama said. "And they have to be held fully accountable."Excellent words from the President. Of the presidents in my lifetime, Obama is probably the one I trust to most to do right by this situation. He seems to place being fair-minded as a top priority.
mrlewish: I have a personal theory. The IRS investigations were actually instigated by Republican leaning individuals. Remember the previous IRS commissioner was appointed by the Bush administration and the Republicans who initially had the intent of using "Tea Party" types as their attack dogs couldn't control their own creation. This was a back door attempt to get dirt on them in order to a) get some dirt on them and b) attempt to gain control of them or wipe them out.
Nabb1: Of the 150 groups audited, precisely zero were found to be engaging in any sort of illegal or questionable activity with regards to their non-profit status.
the_dude_abides: Mrtraveler01: I think Obama was behind the whole thing myself.Study it out people.nah, it just shows that he's an inept executive :)
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is literally a hundred times worse than the Bay of Pigs invasion and the cancellation of Firefly combined.
FlashHarry: the_dude_abides: i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategyhow would he know that the IRS was targeting these groups? seriously. do you think the president knows what the IRS is doing day to day?
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