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2013-05-13 01:35:06 PM
So, have the 'baggers decided yet if this is a lazy, incompetent, empty-suited wannabe allowing the IRS to run amok, or a ruthless, nefarious autocrat using his dictatorial power to crush patriots?
 
2013-05-13 01:40:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: So, have the 'baggers decided yet if this is a lazy, incompetent, empty-suited wannabe allowing the IRS to run amok, or a ruthless, nefarious autocrat using his dictatorial power to crush patriots?


in before "why not both" meme.

but, seriously - this sounds like it has nothing to do with the WH. they're just not that stupid.
 
2013-05-13 01:41:41 PM
"If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous, and there's no place for it," Obama said. "And they have to be held fully accountable."

Excellent words from the President. Of the presidents in my lifetime, Obama is probably the one I trust to most to do right by this situation. He seems to place being fair-minded as a top priority.
 
2013-05-13 01:42:37 PM
Since we're no doubt going to hear about this until forever, let's all use our partisan thinking caps for a moment of honesty, since we like to fancy ourselves literate thinkers and not automatons:
1. Democrats and/or liberals: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that the President (or at least SecTreas) knew about this and thus deserves the coming congressional hearings and giant sh*tting-upon?

2. Republicans and/or conservatives: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that this was a rogue field office/agent(s) whose actions were nullified upon discovery?

So far I'm upset that even field-level office would do something like this; I'm not surprised because as Farkers prove on a daily basis people can go crazy with politics.  I'm mollified by hearing that the scrutiny did not result in the rejection of any tax-exempt status applications, but I want to get details on who/what started the pattern, when, why and how it was dealt with.

And yes, for the record I have been hearing about this story since early last week on ultra-libby-lib-lib NPR.
 
2013-05-13 01:48:08 PM
More like: Tea Party groups are targeting themselves and then blamin' da gubbamint' when they get caught.
 
2013-05-13 01:49:00 PM
Why didn't he call it a "TERRORIST ATTACK"???
 
2013-05-13 01:49:15 PM
This is Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-05-13 01:51:35 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: More like: Tea Party groups are targeting themselves and then blamin' da gubbamint' when they get caught.


Let's make a bunch of noise about having to pay taxes and then act surprised when the IRS looks into us. Dat black man be out ta git us.
 
2013-05-13 01:55:03 PM
The IRS, like many federal agencies, tends to focus on certain groups of people.  Their systematic auditing of lower income filers was far more egregious than this will ever be.
 
2013-05-13 01:55:33 PM
I'm actually stunned that the GOP has not yet connected the dots on this, because normally they're pretty good at seeing the larger picture in regards to scandals like this. But consider (and understand here that I'm only asking questions, not making accusations, I only have what's in the public record to guide me on this and so I'm just trying to, as I said, connect the dots) the facts...Benghazi happened on September 11, 2012, which itself was a significant date because the World Trade Center had been attacked exactly 10 years earlier (and the jury is still out on whether that was actually an attack or an inside job). These IRS actions were going on before Benghazi, though...by some reports, they were taking place throughout a good portion of the presidential campaign. So, obviously, Benghazi in no way lead to illegal IRS surveillance of patriot groups.

But that's not my point. My point is that what if the real story here is that the Obama administration had been *planning* Benghazi all along? For years, they might have been planning it. In this scenario, they had some some reason for wanting to orchestrate an attack on the US ambassador. There are lots of reasons Obama might have wanted to do this, too many to list here, really, but you could study out a few of them to get an idea of how wide the conspiracy might go. The UN treaty to ban guns, Syria, secret Kenyan alliances...who can really know? Of course, Obama had to know that, no matter how flawless the attack plan, there would have eventually been questions asked. Eventually, there are always questions. So what does he do?

I'll tell you what he does. He instructs the IRS to quietly -- very quietly -- begin illegal targeting of patriot groups *months* before Benghazi. And then, when Benghazi happens, he tells the IRS to keep staying quiet. Sshhh, he says. Stay quiet. Verrrrrry quiet. And the Benghazi fever begins to grow, to sprout leaves, to bud and blossom and release its scandal pollen into the air. And then, right at the moment when it's all about to burst wide open like a fertilized seed pod, KHAZAM -- IRS scandal. And suddenly, Benghazi seems like old hat. Benghazi hardly seems like a scandal at all. Why? BECAUSE THE IRS IS TARGETING PATRIOTS, that's why. That's all anybody cares about.

And so what happens to Obama? Why, he gets away with it, that's what. He doesn't have to answer the hard questions -- like, for example, *IF* Benghazi was planned, was the reason that no US forces intervened because there were special US agents in the crowd itself, leading the attack? In fact, where was Obama on the night of the attack? Have his whereabouts been confirmed? Sure, it sounds crazy, but why has nobody asked these questions? And now they'll never get asked at all, because now it's all going to be about the IRS. And Obama will wag his finger, call for discipline, and then skate away. Skate away across the ice that's cracking underneath everybody else's feet. That doesn't seem fair, somehow.
 
2013-05-13 01:58:39 PM
 
2013-05-13 01:59:44 PM
The IRS should be auditing extremist anti-American groups like the tea party.
 
2013-05-13 02:00:41 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm actually stunned that the GOP has not yet connected the dots on this, because normally they're pretty good at seeing the larger picture in regards to scandals like this. But consider (and understand here that I'm only asking questions, not making accusations, I only have what's in the public record to guide me on this and so I'm just trying to, as I said, connect the dots) the facts...Benghazi happened on September 11, 2012, which itself was a significant date because the World Trade Center had been attacked exactly 10 years earlier (and the jury is still out on whether that was actually an attack or an inside job). These IRS actions were going on before Benghazi, though...by some reports, they were taking place throughout a good portion of the presidential campaign. So, obviously, Benghazi in no way lead to illegal IRS surveillance of patriot groups.

But that's not my point. My point is that what if the real story here is that the Obama administration had been *planning* Benghazi all along? For years, they might have been planning it. In this scenario, they had some some reason for wanting to orchestrate an attack on the US ambassador. There are lots of reasons Obama might have wanted to do this, too many to list here, really, but you could study out a few of them to get an idea of how wide the conspiracy might go. The UN treaty to ban guns, Syria, secret Kenyan alliances...who can really know? Of course, Obama had to know that, no matter how flawless the attack plan, there would have eventually been questions asked. Eventually, there are always questions. So what does he do?

I'll tell you what he does. He instructs the IRS to quietly -- very quietly -- begin illegal targeting of patriot groups *months* before Benghazi. And then, when Benghazi happens, he tells the IRS to keep staying quiet. Sshhh, he says. Stay quiet. Verrrrrry quiet. And the Benghazi fever begins to grow, to sprout leaves, to bud and blossom and release its scandal pollen into the air. And ...


This is the kind of hard thinking analysis that is sorely lacking from most of the media today.
 
2013-05-13 02:01:49 PM
But don't worry folks, they will also have access to your health records.  Surely they would never use that information against you?

Ever had substance abuse treatment? how about HIV treatment? Any mental health issues in your family? The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.
 
2013-05-13 02:05:43 PM

Pocket Ninja: KHAZAM -- IRS scandal.


ok, this was pretty good.
 
2013-05-13 02:09:18 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Why didn't he call it a "TERRORIST ATTACK"???


Comedy!
 
2013-05-13 02:10:08 PM

SlothB77: The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.


I love the idea of an "IRS handler". It's basically just two words conspiracy nuts put next to each other as though its a real thing.
 
2013-05-13 02:17:22 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Timeline of Written Criteria for Identifying Potential Political Cases, PDF


Ten Tea Party cases were identified.  The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager agreed.
A Determinations Unit specialist developed a list of 18 identified Tea Party cases during a search of applications. Three had already been approved as tax-exempt.


And people wonder why a strong third party doesn't emerge in America.
 
2013-05-13 02:19:18 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: More like: Tea Party groups are targeting themselves and then blamin' da gubbamint' when they get caught.


Of the 150 groups audited, precisely zero were found to be engaging in any sort of illegal or questionable activity with regards to their non-profit status.  I mean, when the head of the IRS says, "This was done and it was wrong," and the President says, "If that indeed was done, it was wrong," exactly why are people who were not found to be doing anything wrong, well, wrong?  Something, something, repeated coitus with farm poultry...
 
2013-05-13 02:22:04 PM
The only justification I can raise for this is that these are often the same groups that say they don't like paying taxes.  When you publicly state that, you should expect higher scrutiny from the agency responsible for making sure you're paid up.
 
2013-05-13 02:23:06 PM
I'm sorta seeing this as the analog to the time the conservatives completely lost their shiat over Napolitano's report warning of right wing extremists committing terrorist acts in the US several weeks before right wing extremists repeatedly proved her 100% right by committing terrorist attacks in the US.
 
2013-05-13 02:30:47 PM
If only he were this outraged by NRA poster boys wandering through schools, malls and theaters shooting innocents in the face.

Wouldn't that be something?
 
2013-05-13 02:32:14 PM

DamnYankees: SlothB77: The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.

I love the idea of an "IRS handler". It's basically just two words conspiracy nuts put next to each other as though its a real thing.


Like hamburger earmuffs.
 
2013-05-13 02:33:19 PM

timujin: The only justification I can raise for this is that these are often the same groups that say they don't like paying taxes.  When you publicly state that, you should expect higher scrutiny from the agency responsible for making sure you're paid up.


Well, one could use the same justification to target others who disagree with whichever way the current administration happens to lean.  Would you have agreed to the targeting of groups who were protesting the war in Iraq?  After all, it was public money that was being used to prosecute the war, right?

No, there is no adequate justification for this, based merely on the exercise of First Amendment rights.  It is a road that you dare not travel down, not even a little bit.  Just because people you disagree with were targeted *THIS* time, that's no guarantee that you won't be next.
 
2013-05-13 02:33:41 PM
Subby Obama announces that he is shocked...no, appalled...no, horrified...no, that he is disgusted, absolutely disgusted, that the IRS got caught targeting Tea Party groups

So what subby meant to say was "Thanks Obama"?
 
2013-05-13 02:34:14 PM
Where do I apply to be an IRS handler?
 
2013-05-13 02:34:54 PM
i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategy
 
2013-05-13 02:35:05 PM
I'm ok with the IRS targeting groups.
 
2013-05-13 02:35:36 PM
Sorry Obama, you were already convicted and impeached in the prior thread.
 
2013-05-13 02:35:39 PM

the_dude_abides: i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategy


I think Obama was behind the whole thing myself.

Study it out people.
 
2013-05-13 02:36:13 PM
What did Obongo fart and when did he fart it?!?!?
 
2013-05-13 02:36:23 PM
If they didn't have anything to hide, why would they be worried about being audited?
 
2013-05-13 02:36:24 PM

factoryconnection: Since we're no doubt going to hear about this until forever, let's all use our partisan thinking caps for a moment of honesty, since we like to fancy ourselves literate thinkers and not automatons:
1. Democrats and/or liberals: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that the President (or at least SecTreas) knew about this and thus deserves the coming congressional hearings and giant sh*tting-upon?

2. Republicans and/or conservatives: what legitimate revelation would there have to be to make you believe that this was a rogue field office/agent(s) whose actions were nullified upon discovery?

So far I'm upset that even field-level office would do something like this; I'm not surprised because as Farkers prove on a daily basis people can go crazy with politics.  I'm mollified by hearing that the scrutiny did not result in the rejection of any tax-exempt status applications, but I want to get details on who/what started the pattern, when, why and how it was dealt with.

And yes, for the record I have been hearing about this story since early last week on ultra-libby-lib-lib NPR.


It was kind of interesting that the focal point seems to be the IRS office in Cincinnati, Ohio.  That's located in Hamilton County.  The county all the national news media pointed out might be the most important one in the nation in the last presidential election.  Might not mean anything.  But, it makes the case look more suspicious.
 
2013-05-13 02:36:34 PM
Please quit feeding the trolls Obama.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: I think Obama was behind the whole thing myself.

Study it out people.


nah, it just shows that he's an inept executive :)
 
2013-05-13 02:37:35 PM
This is literally a hundred times worse than the Bay of Pigs invasion and the cancellation of Firefly combined.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:51 PM
I have a personal theory.  The IRS investigations were actually instigated by Republican leaning individuals. Remember the previous IRS commissioner was appointed by the Bush administration and the Republicans who initially had the intent of using "Tea Party" types as their attack dogs couldn't control their own creation.  This was a back door attempt to get dirt on them in order to a) get some dirt on them and b) attempt to gain control of them or wipe them out.
 
2013-05-13 02:38:04 PM

SlothB77: But don't worry folks, they will also have access to your health records.  Surely they would never use that information against you?

Ever had substance abuse treatment? how about HIV treatment? Any mental health issues in your family? The IRS will know and you had better not cross them or their handlers.


This is satire, right?
 
2013-05-13 02:41:02 PM

The Muthaship: It was kind of interesting that the focal point seems to be the IRS office in Cincinnati, Ohio. That's located in Hamilton County. The county all the national news media pointed out might be the most important one in the nation in the last presidential election. Might not mean anything. But, it makes the case look more suspicious.


I didn't know Glenn Beck had a Fark account.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:16 PM

FlashHarry: but, seriously - this sounds like it has nothing to do with the WH. they're just not that stupid.


Oh they can be that stupid.

But in this instance, there does not appear to be ANY link to the White House. It appears to have been an overzealous local division miles below in the bueracracy from the Prez and the White House administration.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:48 PM

JerseyTim: "If, in fact, IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous, and there's no place for it," Obama said. "And they have to be held fully accountable."

Excellent words from the President. Of the presidents in my lifetime, Obama is probably the one I trust to most to do right by this situation. He seems to place being fair-minded as a top priority.


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-05-13 02:42:14 PM

mrlewish: I have a personal theory.  The IRS investigations were actually instigated by Republican leaning individuals. Remember the previous IRS commissioner was appointed by the Bush administration and the Republicans who initially had the intent of using "Tea Party" types as their attack dogs couldn't control their own creation.  This was a back door attempt to get dirt on them in order to a) get some dirt on them and b) attempt to gain control of them or wipe them out.


Don't forget it gives the teabaggers "victimhood." They love that as much as they love 'murica, gunz and deep-fried everything.
 
2013-05-13 02:42:37 PM

Nabb1: Of the 150 groups audited, precisely zero were found to be engaging in any sort of illegal or questionable activity with regards to their non-profit status.


"Lerner said 150 of the cases have been closed and no group had its tax-exempt status revoked, though some withdrew their applications."

I wonder why they found precisely zero.
 
2013-05-13 02:43:23 PM

the_dude_abides: Mrtraveler01: I think Obama was behind the whole thing myself.

Study it out people.

nah, it just shows that he's an inept executive :)



So which is it? Inept executive, or commie dictator working day and night to take your guns and remove your rights?
 
2013-05-13 02:43:36 PM

the_dude_abides: i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategy


how would he know that the IRS was targeting these groups? seriously. do you think the president knows what the IRS is doing day to day?
 
2013-05-13 02:43:40 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is literally a hundred times worse than the Bay of Pigs invasion and the cancellation of Firefly combined.


Oh absoLUTEly! literally a million times worse than that business with a cigar and a stained dress OR the Star Wars prequels!!!11elevenses11!1
 
2013-05-13 02:44:10 PM
Hey Obama, how about an IRS audit Jay Z so we know you're sincere.

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2013-05-13 02:44:56 PM

FlashHarry: the_dude_abides: i love how president obama claims to never know what's going on about anything, it's a brilliant strategy

how would he know that the IRS was targeting these groups? seriously. do you think the president knows what the IRS is doing day to day?


Aren't you really upset that Obama didn't pay attention to the day to day actions of an independent government entity?  Shouldn't Obama be intervening and stuff to make sure they stay independent?  Because that makes sense if you don't think about it.
 
2013-05-13 02:45:03 PM

timujin: The only justification I can raise for this is that these are often the same groups that say they don't like paying taxes.  When you publicly state that, you should expect higher scrutiny from the agency responsible for making sure you're paid up.


I'm actually a bit ambivalent about all this. I see the point you're making here and it's a good one, but I'm old enough to remember how outrageous it was that Nixon used the IRS to harass his enemies. I don't believe that's what's happening here, exactly, but it looks similar enough that it is at the very least a dubious move politically speaking.
 
2013-05-13 02:45:07 PM
Next up in Republican outrage.....

Question: Why do the cops feel the need to assault peaceful leftwing protestors and not rightwing nutjobs threatening everyone?

Answer: Because fat rightwing teatards make the cops arms tired since they have to swing the nightstick too many damn times to get to some bone.
 
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