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(Pro Football Talk)   San Diego Chargers head coach thinks Phillip Rivers can complete 70 percent of his passes. Whether or not that includes the opposing team is undetermined   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com ) divider line
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2013-05-13 01:42:58 PM  
Playing KC and Oakland twice a year could help.
 
182
2013-05-13 01:48:01 PM  
he had one terrible year....still better than favre.
 
2013-05-13 01:56:56 PM  

182: he had one terrible year....still better than favre.


His last two have been pretty shiatty. He gets panicky when behind, and starts making stupid throws. The Chargers have been behind a lot the last two seasons.
 
2013-05-13 02:03:14 PM  
McCoy likes to set high standards.  He thinks Manti Teo has a chance to make it in the NFL as an inside LB as well.
 
2013-05-13 02:04:56 PM  
assets.diylol.com
 
2013-05-13 02:12:50 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-13 02:13:01 PM  

182: he had one terrible year....still better than favre.


He looks good compared lots of people who aren't in the league.
 
2013-05-13 02:17:53 PM  
despite how bad the line has been, and i hear fluker pick is being criticized locally, you have to wonder if rivers has the yips
 
2013-05-13 02:19:11 PM  
Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.

The problem with the last few years is that they've basically said "well, f*ck it, it's all on you, Phil."
 
2013-05-13 02:24:39 PM  
He needs to do another jake!
 
2013-05-13 02:26:55 PM  

IAmRight: Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.


AJ Smith could write a book on "How to Overpay for Average-at best Offensive Lineman While Leaving No Money Leftover For Your Best Wide Receiver." That's my suggested working title, at least. The publisher might want to just shorten it to "How to Suck as an NFL GM; In My Own Words".
 
2013-05-13 02:34:49 PM  

Killer Cars: IAmRight: Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.

AJ Smith could write a book on "How to Overpay for Average-at best Offensive Lineman While Leaving No Money Leftover For Your Best Wide Receiver." That's my suggested working title, at least. The publisher might want to just shorten it to "How to Suck as an NFL GM; In My Own Words".


You left off the "...and be such a dick about the whole thing that no one wants to come to your team despite being located in probably the best city to live in in America."
 
2013-05-13 02:44:37 PM  

IAmRight: Killer Cars: IAmRight: Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.

AJ Smith could write a book on "How to Overpay for Average-at best Offensive Lineman While Leaving No Money Leftover For Your Best Wide Receiver." That's my suggested working title, at least. The publisher might want to just shorten it to "How to Suck as an NFL GM; In My Own Words".

You left off the "...and be such a dick about the whole thing that no one wants to come to your team despite being located in probably the best city to live in in America."


The dude knew how to burn bridges. When Mike Tolbert was asked why he left San Diego he made it clear it wasn't about the money, the fans, the city, the teammates or the coaches. That says a lot about the GM.
 
2013-05-13 02:47:29 PM  
If he plays against San Diego, maybe.  For San Diego?  I'm not sure.
 
2013-05-13 02:48:17 PM  

IAmRight: You left off the "...and be such a dick about the whole thing that no one wants to come to your team despite being located in probably the best city to live in in America."


Hell, I'd be a dick too if I was known as the guy who gave a human turnstile with chronic "back spasms" named Jared Gaither a 4yr/$25mil extension.
 
2013-05-13 03:01:19 PM  
Remember, you're talking about the guy who coached Tebow to the playoffs.  Rivers is a bit better than him.

/O line sucks though.
//defense isn't as good as the one Tebow had.
 
2013-05-13 03:16:48 PM  

davidphogan: IAmRight: Killer Cars: IAmRight: Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.

AJ Smith could write a book on "How to Overpay for Average-at best Offensive Lineman While Leaving No Money Leftover For Your Best Wide Receiver." That's my suggested working title, at least. The publisher might want to just shorten it to "How to Suck as an NFL GM; In My Own Words".

You left off the "...and be such a dick about the whole thing that no one wants to come to your team despite being located in probably the best city to live in in America."

The dude knew how to burn bridges. When Mike Tolbert was asked why he left San Diego he made it clear it wasn't about the money, the fans, the city, the teammates or the coaches. That says a lot about the GM.


"The Lord of No Rings" is still one of the best putdowns....EVER!!

/fark the chargers!!
 
2013-05-13 03:55:53 PM  
Meh. Should've kept Drew.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:01 PM  
Rivers had what might have been the two worst starting tackles in the NFL last year: Jeromey "Turnstile" Clarey, and Mike Williams, a UDFA. When you have a rookie UDFA at left tackle, yer farked.

Add to that, Ryan Mathews is apparently made of glass, and protects his hands with Slick-50 before every game, to avoid nasty calluses.

Can you blame PR for forcing throws? AJ left his ass hung out to dry, because AJ completely whiffed on FA last year (Gaither aka the "Big Lazy", Meachem, Royal), and had completely ignored the OL for the the last 3 years.
 
2013-05-13 04:16:59 PM  

Killer Cars: IAmRight: Well, if they're planning on providing an offensive line this year, maybe.

Or if they plan on keeping some receiving talent, perhaps.

AJ Smith could write a book on "How to Overpay for Average-at best Offensive Lineman While Leaving No Money Leftover For Your Best Wide Receiver." That's my suggested working title, at least. The publisher might want to just shorten it to "How to Suck as an NFL GM; In My Own Words".


Foreword by Matt Millen
 
2013-05-13 04:23:26 PM  
Oh, wow. Is their new head coach insane or...?

FTA: Mike McCoy thinks Rivers can complete 70 percent of his passes

TRAITOR! DIRTY, ROTTEN, BASTARD TRAITOR! >:O
 
2013-05-13 04:35:00 PM  
Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.
 
2013-05-13 04:40:58 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.


And the end result is David "Deer in the Headlights" Carr.  Outlook not too good for Cutler or Rivers
 
2013-05-13 04:46:12 PM  

Captain Steroid: Oh, wow. Is their new head coach insane or...?

FTA: Mike McCoy thinks Rivers can complete 70 percent of his passes

TRAITOR! DIRTY, ROTTEN, BASTARD TRAITOR! >:O


Hell, he coached Teebus to a playoff spot (and win), anything's possible.

And quit biatching, y'all got Vasquez from us. Granted, you WAY overpaid for him, but he was the sorta-cute girl that hangs around with fuglies just to boost her rating from a 6 to an 8.
 
2013-05-13 04:51:04 PM  

BKITU: 182: he had one terrible year....still better than favre.

His last two have been pretty shiatty. He gets panicky when behind, and starts making stupid throws. The Chargers have been behind a lot the last two seasons.


2011 was not a bad year compared to other QBs.  7th in DYAR, 8th in DVOA...that's not bad performance

Granted if you compare it to his '10 and '09 seasons where he was All-World...then you've got a very negative trend.

Now the 2012 season, oh my...that's a whole other kettle of fish...he was a disaster...when you are statistically neck and neck with Josh Freeman and Christian Ponder that's not a good peer group to be compared to.
 
2013-05-13 04:53:23 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.


Didn't Rodgers have worse O-line support than the Bears last year? He still did quite a bit better than Cutler.

/Bears fan
//not even anti-Cutler
///he does get hit a lot though
 
2013-05-13 05:02:18 PM  

Captain Steroid: Mike McCoy


He's not your little Pony anymore
 
2013-05-13 05:15:56 PM  

Let's see.....In the last two seasons the Chargers' offense has lost Pro Bowl OG Kris Dielman, OT Marcus McNeill, RB Darren Sproles, and WR Vincent Jackson.....And offense production has fallen off.


//Well, obviously it's Rivers fault.

 
2013-05-13 05:30:40 PM  
They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.
The awesomeness that is Philip Rivers with Tim Tebow as a  "super-back" will fix this for the bolts.
 
2013-05-13 05:34:39 PM  
It's certainly possible. Unlikely, but possible. Shoot, most anything is possible with Norv gone.
 
2013-05-13 05:39:32 PM  

bhcompy: Shotgun Justice: Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.

And the end result is David "Deer in the Headlights" Carr.  Outlook not too good for Cutler or Rivers


Not really...at least Rivers and Cutler played on decent teams to start out and learn. Poor David Carr, not so much. Every time he dropped back, it was instantly a game of "Smear the Queer".
 
2013-05-13 05:40:38 PM  
Didn't the chargers have a QB that could hit a 70% completion rate?
 
2013-05-13 05:42:05 PM  

skrame: Shotgun Justice: Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.

Didn't Rodgers have worse O-line support than the Bears last year? He still did quite a bit better than Cutler.

/Bears fan
//not even anti-Cutler
///he does get hit a lot though


That is true.  I can agree that Rodgers had it as bad or worse.  But I also don't think that Cutler has the same talent-both personally and on his team's offense.  Rodgers isn't a just great quarterback, he's a bona fide elite quarterback.
 
2013-05-13 05:43:14 PM  
BTW...by "offense" I mean the non O-line members
 
2013-05-13 05:59:02 PM  

Shotgun Justice: skrame: Shotgun Justice: Cutler and Rivers are both textbook examples of good quarterbacks with no O-line support, that could be great if they weren't throwing off their heels or taking massive hits an entire season.

Didn't Rodgers have worse O-line support than the Bears last year? He still did quite a bit better than Cutler.

/Bears fan
//not even anti-Cutler
///he does get hit a lot though

That is true.  I can agree that Rodgers had it as bad or worse.  But I also don't think that Cutler has the same talent-both personally and on his team's offense.  Rodgers isn't a just great quarterback, he's a bona fide elite quarterback.


Rodgers is more mobile than Cutler or Rivers.  Rivers is a pocket statue passer, and Cutler can be somewhat mobile(a requirement in the post-Elway era in Denver until the appearance of Peyton) but not like Rodgers.  Mobile passers like Favre and Vick can make up for their o-line's shortcomings with their legs.  Warner wasn't mobile at all, but he had the quickest release I've ever seen and a tailormade offense that suited it, and Peyton is largely in the same mold.  Rivers and Cutler have neither an o-line, mobility, or an offense that plays to their strengths.
 
2013-05-13 06:05:41 PM  

johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.


Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.
 
2013-05-13 06:12:46 PM  

oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.


Well, it will be nice to have a decent MLB for once.  It's been years since they've had someone with adequate tackling and pursuit techniques in the middle(Donnie Edwards)..
 
2013-05-13 06:13:01 PM  
IIRC he's pulled this off for short stints in the past.

/ In college
// In the ACC
/// I may be misremembering
/V Or using my Wolfpack-tinted glasses
 
2013-05-13 06:13:42 PM  

oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.


sigh
 
2013-05-13 06:24:44 PM  

johnny_vegas: oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.

sigh


I don't get the joke, even after you bolded "don't see it"

Manti, don't see? Maybe Seau, don't Seau? Please explain.
 
2013-05-13 06:51:02 PM  
oh_please: 

 "Smear the Queer".

Back East we called it "Kill the guy"
 
2013-05-13 06:54:28 PM  

oh_please: johnny_vegas: oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.

sigh

I don't get the joke, even after you bolded "don't see it"

Manti, don't see? Maybe Seau, don't Seau? Please explain.


abcnews.go.com

/I blame myself
//I am in San Diego also
 
2013-05-13 07:15:25 PM  
I can complete 70% of my passes, too, as long as there are a bunch of people there to catch it.  Doesn't make me a quarterback.
 
2013-05-13 08:42:56 PM  

Robert1966: Meh. Should've kept Drew.


People forget, but multiple teams that Brees was shopped to more or less balked at his shoulder and considered him washed up. The Saints at the time were an orphaned team playing in a decimated city, and they found each other.

However, drafting Rivers wasn't stupid. And Brees likely wouldn't have pulled the miracles he has in New Orleans without the coach (second in evil genius only to Belichik) and some surprisingly good late-round/undrafted receivers. Then there's our TEs.

There's no way of knowing if Brees would have had similar success in SD, but it seems doubtful. Remember, this is a team sport.
 
2013-05-13 10:06:26 PM  

dickfreckle: People forget, but multiple teams that Brees was shopped to more or less balked at his shoulder and considered him washed up.


True, there were only two teams that offered him a starting job, NO and Miami, and that's just because they were desperate as shiat for a QB. His shoulder injury was described by Dr. James Andrews as "Lord, I was just hoping to give him a functional shoulder" and "I had never seen an injury this severe in any elite-level throwing athlete. We were in uncharted waters."

The Saints rolled the dice on Brees and won.
 
2013-05-13 10:35:49 PM  

oh_please: Add to that, Ryan Mathews is apparently made of glass, and protects his hands with Slick-50 before every game, to avoid nasty calluses.


To be fair to Mathews, he's had as little blocking as Rivers and was stuck in a Norv offense where they would have been about equally effective if Norv had just diagrammed every offensive play on the farking scoreboard.  A few of my friends started watching Chargers games with me on the stream just because they were entertained I could call every offensive play before the snap.

They also dumped Sproles and Tolbert for LeRon McClain, who blocked about as effectively as a 9 year old girl in Norv's offense last year and Ronnie Brown who looked fairly effective in large part because Rivers can make any running back with good vision look pretty decent.

Add in Floyd and Alexander being the top two receivers and both Rivers and Matthews were up shiat's creek  last year.  Of course the running back is going to get injured when he has no blocking, limited tools around him, and teams can fairly safely stack the box with just a few reads because Norv?

Sadly they should be a much better team this year just by moving Clary to RG, starting Fluker at RT, using Dunlop at LT, and having Troutman healthy to compete for LG.  They might not have five all stars, but they should be a lot better than last at both passing and running, and McCoy seems pretty good at figuring out how to use the tools he has available to make things happen.

I don't see Mathews as an all star every down back, but he and Woodhead along with Ronnie Brown could give McCoy some interesting options.

As far as the fumbling thing, he's had high profile ones, but he didn't really seem to have issues with it at all last year, and they always have seemed a little exaggerated.  223 touches last year, 2 total fumbles.  1% of touches doesn't seem that horrible.
 
2013-05-14 01:37:04 AM  

oh_please: johnny_vegas: oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.

sigh

I don't get the joke, even after you bolded "don't see it"

Manti, don't see? Maybe Seau, don't Seau? Please explain.


It was funny to me, dammit.
 
2013-05-14 11:43:16 AM  

wallywam1: oh_please: johnny_vegas: oh_please: johnny_vegas: They say Manti will be San Diego's savior, but I just don't see it.

Um, nobody's saying that, not even Charger fans.

He may be a 2nd round steal, just because he's got a lot to prove, but I haven't heard a single columnist nor fan say that.

sigh

I don't get the joke, even after you bolded "don't see it"

Manti, don't see? Maybe Seau, don't Seau? Please explain.

It was funny to me, dammit.


i think he was just being obtuse

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