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(Waco Tribune)   Texas: Your house got blown away by a nearby chemical plant accident? Pay your property taxes anyway   (wacotrib.com) divider line 108
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2013-05-13 11:08:04 AM
Article: here is the law and how citizens can possibly work around it

Subby: derpity derp derp

/welcome to fark
 
2013-05-13 11:28:03 AM
I presume that the house was there for most of the year, right?
 
2013-05-13 11:32:03 AM

Gecko Gingrich: I presume that the house was there for most of the year, right?


yah, if it's still a vacant lot by this time next year then they'll only have to pay on the dirt part.
 
2013-05-13 11:32:55 AM
Done in One.
 
2013-05-13 11:33:18 AM

utah dude: Gecko Gingrich: I presume that the house was there for most of the year, right?

yah, if it's still a vacant lot by this time next year then they'll only have to pay on the dirt part.


That's sorta redundant, isn't it?
 
2013-05-13 11:33:33 AM
F*ck you, pay me.

Oh, you had a fire? F*ck you, pay me.

Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.
 
2013-05-13 11:35:04 AM
Texan lawmakers are not known for compassion.

Sure, they'll CLAIM to be compassionate. But the record will show that they aren't.
 
2013-05-13 11:35:35 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: F*ck you, pay me.

Oh, you had a fire? F*ck you, pay me.

Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.


If you don't like it, move to a commie state with some zoning laws. Texas fark yea!
 
2013-05-13 11:40:20 AM
Meanwhile, the owner of the fertilizer plant is going to have his business rebuilt at State expense, and have his taxes waived for the next ten years.
 
2013-05-13 11:40:40 AM

limeyfellow


If you don't like it, move to a commie state with some zoning laws. Texas fark yea!


Please watch the movie 'Goodfellas', or at least watch this short clip. (NSFW language)
 
2013-05-13 11:40:56 AM
There is always that asshole at the restaurant that farks with the food cause he doesn't have to deal with it.  Then he freaks out when it happens to him.

In the next 20 years how many people will die as a result of "terrorism"?  How many will die in work related accidents?
 
2013-05-13 11:41:02 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.


I'm just going to point out that the city is in a tight spot.  It probably has insurance for the emergency vehicles and buildings destroyed in the fire, but as we all know insurance doesn't pay for everything.  In addition, sad as it is to say, the city lost several volunteer fire fighters, and even though they volunteer they still cost money to train, and replacements are needed.

The city provided the services to the homes through the year - school, fire, police, etc...  And the residents should be covered under insurance as well.
 
2013-05-13 11:41:18 AM
I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but you don't get out of your commitments because something bad happened to you.

If everyone who was affected by a natural disaster or something they can't control got their loans/taxes/whatever forgiven, the rest of us would have to pay a lot more to make up for it.

Rather than biatching about Texas and how greedy they are, why don't you do the non-greedy thing and mail the 'victim's' a check?
 
2013-05-13 11:42:00 AM
Damn right they have to pay that.  TX has no state income tax.  This property tax supplants the income tax.    And they'll have to pay for it next year too, the year their house actually went BOOM.
 
2013-05-13 11:42:50 AM
The taxes they're paying are for last year. The house was there all year and the appraisal date is the day after the tax year ends. Next year if they don't have something rebuilt on December 31st, they pay small tax on the value of the lot.

It's like income tax. If you lose your job January 1st, that doesn't mean you don't have to pay your taxes four and a half months later on April 14th.
 
2013-05-13 11:43:42 AM
Of course, the state government could easily relieve the citizens of the tax this year, and direct funds to West to plug their budget, but that kind of compassion is beneath Perry and his goons.
 
2013-05-13 11:45:50 AM

Firethorn: Englebert Slaptyback: Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.

I'm just going to point out that the city is in a tight spot.  It probably has insurance for the emergency vehicles and buildings destroyed in the fire, but as we all know insurance doesn't pay for everything.  In addition, sad as it is to say, the city lost several volunteer fire fighters, and even though they volunteer they still cost money to train, and replacements are needed.

The city provided the services to the homes through the year - school, fire, police, etc...  And the residents should be covered under insurance as well.


Well except for one day. I guess the tax assessor should give them a 1/365th discount.
 
2013-05-13 11:46:21 AM
This explains why there was a race to West to search to TV cameras by two Texas Senators, a governor and and Aspiring Governor (AG).
 
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2013-05-13 11:46:36 AM

tuna fingers: Damn right they have to pay that.  TX has no state income tax.  This property tax supplants the income tax.    And they'll have to pay for it next year too, the year their house actually went BOOM.


I had a house in MS that was destroyed by Katrina and the property tax went up.  There is a homestead exemption that an empty lot doesn't qualify for.
 
2013-05-13 11:47:39 AM
Technically, you pay taxes for the land not the house, right? The value is just appraised on both.
 
2013-05-13 11:47:42 AM

Firethorn: Englebert Slaptyback: Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.

I'm just going to point out that the city is in a tight spot.  It probably has insurance for the emergency vehicles and buildings destroyed in the fire, but as we all know insurance doesn't pay for everything.  In addition, sad as it is to say, the city lost several volunteer fire fighters, and even though they volunteer they still cost money to train, and replacements are needed.

The city provided the services to the homes through the year - school, fire, police, etc...  And the residents should be covered under insurance as well.


Most volunteer FD's have no connection to the city other than a contractual agreement. I believe 2 trucks have or will be donated to the VFD

What's gonna really make the situation go wheels off is if they wind up pinning it on Bryce Reed. No insurance company will pay up then
 
2013-05-13 11:48:20 AM

ancker: I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but you don't get out of your commitments because something bad happened to you.

If everyone who was affected by a natural disaster or something they can't control got their loans/taxes/whatever forgiven, the rest of us would have to pay a lot more to make up for it.

Rather than biatching about Texas and how greedy they are, why don't you do the non-greedy thing and mail the 'victim's' a check?


Because this is Fark.  A bastion of liberalism.  They want the government to do it because personal responsibility is bad.
 
2013-05-13 11:49:06 AM
"As a mayor, I need the property values, but as a citizen, I don't want to pay $9000 of property taxes on something that's beat up."

That's a lot of tax for a rural property.
 
2013-05-13 11:49:28 AM
can't spell Texas without taxes, just swap the vowels. (for those of you from Texas Vowels are the letters you pay Vanna for)
 
2013-05-13 11:49:46 AM
Texas has real 'mercans who understand it is their duty to pay taxes as real 'mercans do.
 
2013-05-13 11:50:23 AM
The crater the explosion left will fill in with water and they will be charged lake front taxes.
 
2013-05-13 11:50:50 AM
See, government doesn't work.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:23 AM
I know this is FARK, but seems like an inappropriate use of the ASININE tag.

1.  It's not clear in the article, but many state's real estate taxes are due the following year, thus the taxes due this year were actually incurred in 2012.

2.  The statutes they're relying on seem appropriate - assessed value based on the property value as of Jan. 1.  They're encouraging tax protests, which should result in a pro-ration of the differing values pre/post destruction.   Extra hoop, but there should be relief for those people.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:27 AM

Smeggy Smurf: ancker: I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but you don't get out of your commitments because something bad happened to you.

If everyone who was affected by a natural disaster or something they can't control got their loans/taxes/whatever forgiven, the rest of us would have to pay a lot more to make up for it.

Rather than biatching about Texas and how greedy they are, why don't you do the non-greedy thing and mail the 'victim's' a check?

Because this is Fark.  A bastion of liberalism.  They want the government to do it because personal responsibility is bad.


The complaint by subby sounds much more right wing than left wing. Libs love taxes, remember?
 
2013-05-13 11:52:05 AM
Homeowners there shouldn't think of this as having lost their homes. They should think of it as getting a chunk of money to relocate to a state that isn't run by retards.
 
2013-05-13 11:52:43 AM
What's next, an article about how the mortgage companies are evil because they're going to demand that people whose houses got blown to smithereens still have to pay their mortgages?
 
2013-05-13 11:53:08 AM
Many of the comments here validate what I've always assumed: Lots of Farkers don't actually read the articles, they just comment. The article is actual helpful to people.
 
2013-05-13 11:53:46 AM
What do they need to collect the taxes for? They can't go one measly year without government services, and they have the nerve to call themselves Texans? They need to cowboy up.
 
2013-05-13 11:54:26 AM
Same thing happened after the wildfires. It's the way the law is written and it's probably written that way elsewhere as well.

It'll be interesting to see what changes if the blast is shown to be the result of arson.
 
2013-05-13 11:55:48 AM

Cheron: can't spell Texas without taxes, just swap the vowels. (for those of you from Texas Vowels are the letters you pay Vanna for)


When I attempt to make fun of people by implying that they're uneducated, I tend to work really hard to ensure that my grammar and punctuation doesn't look like it was written on a Big Chief tablet by a third grader.
 
2013-05-13 11:55:56 AM

Deathfrogg: Meanwhile, the owner of the fertilizer plant is going to have his business rebuilt at State expense, and have his taxes waived for the next ten years.


well first he will have to file bankruptcy then start up the new business under a new name. but yeah.
 
2013-05-13 11:56:09 AM
Do they still own the property?

Then they own taxes.
 
2013-05-13 11:56:57 AM

little Jeff: "As a mayor, I need the property values, but as a citizen, I don't want to pay $9000 of property taxes on something that's beat up."

That's a lot of tax for a rural property.



Could be a pretty large property.  Sometimes there's different rates if the property includes an improvement on it (like a house), or if its just open land.  A large property with a house on it can be pretty expensive.

Rural towns in TX often have surprisingly high rates.  It's not cheap to have modern utilities, services and schools away from a large metro.
 
2013-05-13 11:57:08 AM
First off, this isn't the State's taxes.  You don't pay real estate taxes to the state in Texas.  These are local governmental units taxes.  Second, under Texas law, the property is appraised on January 1.  That's the day that counts.  Third, as other mentioned, the local governments appear to be willing to work around the issue.
 
2013-05-13 11:57:46 AM
joesf33

Technically, you pay taxes for the land not the house, right?  The value is just appraised on both.

No dude.  Taxes are on the land and improvements.  That's one of the reasons the city makes you pull permits on renovation.  They want to up the added value of the house, and thus the taxes owed, by the improvements.
 
2013-05-13 11:59:01 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Firethorn: Englebert Slaptyback: Place got hit by lightning blown away by an explosion, huh? F*ck you, pay me.

I'm just going to point out that the city is in a tight spot.  It probably has insurance for the emergency vehicles and buildings destroyed in the fire, but as we all know insurance doesn't pay for everything.  In addition, sad as it is to say, the city lost several volunteer fire fighters, and even though they volunteer they still cost money to train, and replacements are needed.

The city provided the services to the homes through the year - school, fire, police, etc...  And the residents should be covered under insurance as well.

Most volunteer FD's have no connection to the city other than a contractual agreement. I believe 2 trucks have or will be donated to the VFD

What's gonna really make the situation go wheels off is if they wind up pinning it on Bryce Reed. No insurance company will pay up then


Those who were injured or killed will be eligible for the crime victim's compensation fund... which would probably cover more than the insurance policy would, except for the fact that Perry keeps playing a shell game with the budget.
 
2013-05-13 12:01:01 PM

fawlty: First off, this isn't the State's taxes.  You don't pay real estate taxes to the state in Texas.  These are local governmental units taxes.  Second, under Texas law, the property is appraised on January 1.  That's the day that counts.  Third, as other mentioned, the local governments appear to be willing to work around the issue.


You and your facts taking all the fun out of the Fark speculation team. They wanted to use that GED in tax law they bought on-line.
 
2013-05-13 12:03:36 PM
the thing i love about this story is how it clearly shows that the media decides what is important. many people were killed (idk how many, it isn't on the news) and many lives were ruined/changed, but because the "TERROR" killed 3 people in Boston the day before, nobody cares.   Despite the fact that hundreds of towns have plants like this around them and none of them have a Boston marathon.  The news couldn't handle covering another story at the same time. They should have waited 2 weeks so the news could have made a bigger deal.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:33 PM
little Jeff: "As a mayor, I need the property values, but as a citizen, I don't want to pay $9000 of property taxes on something that's beat up."

That's a lot of tax for a rural property.


TheDirtyNacho

Could be a pretty large property. Sometimes there's different rates if the property includes an improvement on it (like a house), or if its just open land. A large property with a house on it can be pretty expensive.

Rural towns in TX often have surprisingly high rates. It's not cheap to have modern utilities, services and schools away from a large metro.

There is that.   Roads, water and sewer, electric, sanitiation, municipal salaries, etc....  they all add up.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:53 PM
Of course you have to pay your taxes, that's the price of civilization.  If you don't like taxes, move to Somalia.
 
2013-05-13 12:06:14 PM

TheDirtyNacho: little Jeff: "As a mayor, I need the property values, but as a citizen, I don't want to pay $9000 of property taxes on something that's beat up."

That's a lot of tax for a rural property.


Could be a pretty large property.  Sometimes there's different rates if the property includes an improvement on it (like a house), or if its just open land.  A large property with a house on it can be pretty expensive.

Rural towns in TX often have surprisingly high rates.  It's not cheap to have modern utilities, services and schools away from a large metro.


Ad valorem taxes are generally figured on top of property taxes on a non-depreciable schedule until the taxable property (which includes vehicles, houses, farm equipment, center pivots, etc.) reach 10 years in age, as well. The property taxes, of course, continue on for the life of the property. This is typical for most small school districts.
 
2013-05-13 12:08:36 PM
Everyone read elsewhere that the company only had a $1mm umbrella policy, right?  The insurance company has already sued to be released so the lawyers can work it out.  Ain't nobody getting paid.
 
2013-05-13 12:09:09 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Article: here is the law and how citizens can possibly work around it

Subby: derpity derp derp

/welcome to fark


The point is that they shouldn't have to "possibly work their way around it".
It should be a three step process:
1. Show tax people digital picture of wreckage of house, verifying GPS coordinates
2. Remind them of what caused said wreckage and insurance company contact
3. Tax people f*ck off until house is rebuilt

DONE.
 
2013-05-13 12:09:20 PM

Smeggy Smurf: ancker: I hate taxes as much as the next guy, but you don't get out of your commitments because something bad happened to you.

If everyone who was affected by a natural disaster or something they can't control got their loans/taxes/whatever forgiven, the rest of us would have to pay a lot more to make up for it.

Rather than biatching about Texas and how greedy they are, why don't you do the non-greedy thing and mail the 'victim's' a check?

Because this is Fark.  A bastion of liberalism.  They want the government to do it because personal responsibility is bad.


Government should pay for it. Lack of regulations leading to disaster. Said business owner should be thrown in jail to.
its not the liberal way to do things.

it would be the common sense way to do things
 
2013-05-13 12:17:30 PM
 
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