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(NPR)   A rise in multiracial births is confusing the Census, as children are beginning to check more than one box as they no longer identify with one particular race   (npr.org) divider line 79
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2013-05-13 11:12:35 AM
6 votes:
That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.
2013-05-13 11:40:02 AM
5 votes:
Good.

[ ] Human
[ ] Cyborg / Android (less than 51% human organic matter)
[ ] Mosanto Ultra-human™
[ ] Extra Terrestrial
2013-05-13 11:17:34 AM
5 votes:
Guess I'm part of the problem. My ancestry is 95+% German/Prussian, and I went and married someone who's half Czech. Next thing you know, one of my kids will marry someone Irish, and my ancestral army will rise from their graves in rage.
2013-05-13 11:37:09 AM
4 votes:
Once we all become a generic amalgam in the melting pot that is the US, we'll develop a different caste system to determine which segment of society is the best.  It's human nature.

Why can't we be like the Sneetches?

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2013-05-13 11:16:13 AM
4 votes:
There is really just one race: the human one.
2013-05-13 11:33:58 AM
3 votes:
The last time I checked, people of all races were eligible to vote in Amerika since 1872, and women were allowed to vote since 1920.

Since the Senseless is to enumerate for voting apportionment, I see no reason to advise my government of either my race or my sex.

I also see no reason to tell them how many toilets I have, what kind of sewer I use, how I heat my home, or anything else not directly connected with voter enumeration.

The more information they have, the more trouble they cause.
2013-05-13 11:31:18 AM
3 votes:

You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.



Dogs belong to the same species grouping just as humans belong to the same species grouping.  By being part of hte same species there can be different character traits but at the end of the day they are still canines or humans are still humans.  The use of race is a way of grouping people into sections based on physical traits but at the end of the day there is only one human race.   Race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.The sooner we get ouf of this race issue the better and accept the fact that we are all humans and that we just have different physical traits which helps to add to diversity.
2013-05-13 11:19:52 AM
3 votes:

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


1) Porn with redheads
2) Everything else
2013-05-13 11:18:35 AM
3 votes:
When will the government give up trying to classify people by their "race" (whatever that means)?
2013-05-13 11:16:16 AM
3 votes:
Other: [,/] Human
2013-05-13 01:51:46 PM
2 votes:
Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.
2013-05-13 12:47:30 PM
2 votes:

Meh, they'll still find a way to alienate somebody for being different.


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2013-05-13 12:19:42 PM
2 votes:
Genetic Isolationism Awareness Day!
2013-05-13 12:03:45 PM
2 votes:
I've just started filling in "Other" and writing in "Human" any time I have to fill out a form where they ask what  "Race" they are.  I mean they are Norwegian, German, native east coastal Mexico (Olmec?), Spanish, and maybe some African(?)   Just about the only thing I can say for sure is that they are definitely not Kzin.
2013-05-13 11:48:08 AM
2 votes:
I don't think it has anything to do with the need to classify people into a neat box for race. It has more to do with gathering useful demographic data about the people who do identify with a race or races. The issues affecting the African American community are not exactly the same issues affecting the white community, and so on. Having good census data is critical for certain types of research concerning populations and large groups of people.
2013-05-13 11:45:30 AM
2 votes:
The Framers of the ConstitutionTM never intended us to acknowledge our colored offspring.
2013-05-13 11:35:44 AM
2 votes:
I'm fairly amused by the fact that, as a biracial woman, I'm more "pure blooded" than my euromutt husband. My lineage can be traced to African slaves brought to the Caribbean, and southern Italian tailors. Whereas my husband is mostly Italian and polish, with a smattering of German, Russian Jew, Scottish, English, and blah blah blah WHITE PEOPLE.

*shrugs* whatever, we're going to have gorgeous beige babies.
2013-05-13 11:30:47 AM
2 votes:

Silly_Sot: in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the genera


It's nice that you're so comfortable looking down on an entire group of people.
2013-05-13 11:29:52 AM
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

 simple life can be?

No.  Not even Wewa still does that.


Here in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the general attitude.
2013-05-13 11:19:19 AM
2 votes:
Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.


GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
2013-05-13 11:17:47 AM
2 votes:
I pass for human although I've never identified with the human race.
2013-05-13 11:16:39 AM
2 votes:

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


Things we're willing to talk about and things we actually watch.
2013-05-13 11:12:44 AM
2 votes:
How will we sort our porn in the future?
2013-05-13 11:05:31 AM
2 votes:
Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.
2013-05-13 09:29:33 PM
1 votes:

olddinosaur: The last time I checked, people of all races were eligible to vote in Amerika since 1872, and women were allowed to vote since 1920.


Not so much, either legally or in practice:

a) Most prominently, Jim Crow laws that were rapidly passed in the wake of the 14th Amendment were explicitly designed to disenfranchise not only African-Americans but any person who gained citizenship and voting rights through the Reconstruction Amendments (a fairly common method was the use of poll taxes and literacy tests, with "grandfather clauses" which conveniently exempted white males who had ancestors with established citizenship before the Reconstruction Amendments were passed).  Whilst they may have been eligible de jure under federal law, African-Americans and even groups with African-American ancestry that were not considered African-Americans per se (such as Melungeons, an Appalachian metis group that includes Cherokee, African-American, and Irish ancestry) were both de jure (via Jim Crow laws and "one drop" laws that legally defined anyone who had any discernible African-American--and in many cases, Native American--ancestry as Legally Black) and de facto (by voter intimidation in those rare cases where a literate and independently non-poor African-American TRIED to get the franchise) disenfranchised; this situation pretty much lasted well into the late fifties to early sixties, and took an act of Congress as well as National Guard intervention and a whole lot of civil disobedience to correct.

(And some would argue--rightfully, IMHO--that the situation is STILL not entirely corrected; the effort that used to go into poll taxes and literacy tests now goes into "voter ID" laws--in more than a few states with a history of not only explicit disenfranchisement of non-whites but even such things as "sundown towns" where it was literally illegal to Exist While Brown (and in the case of Indiana, the state was legally a sundown state where laws existed on the books well into the fifties technically making it illegal for anyone of colour to take up residence) this is ALSO meant as a method to disenfranchise African-Americans in particular and the poor in general--knowing damn well that (for instance) poor families may not be able to get transportation to a DMV, or supporting documents required for an ID (anymore, a certified copy of a birth certificate is needed as well as other documents--there is no provision for ordering a certified birth certificate from the state department of records, for starters, and it's not uncommon for African-Americans from about their forties upward in the Southeast to not necessarily have these documents--home births being more common)...much less often having to fork over for the ID because the DMV neglected to notify them that IDs for voting only were free.)

b) One notable population that did NOT get full citizenship rights and was legally ineligible to be granted US citizenship were First Nations people and folks of First Nations descent; in fact, NDNs (and children of foreign diplomats) are the ONLY people who were outright exempted from jus solis and jus sanguinus citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment--and in fact, it was also legally impossible for a First Nations person to even become a naturalised citizen; ANY person of First Nations descent was essentially considered an "illegal alien" to be deported to their "homeland" reservation (ironically, it was the last ditch attempt by the Cherokee Nation to avoid ethnic cleansing in Georgia by suing in the Supreme Court that established the whole concept of First Nations as a "dependent nation"--legally, similar to the status of American Samoa, where people are US nationals but not US citizens).  Simply admitting you had ancestors of First Nations descent was in fact legally enough to deny one citizenship, and a surprising number of First Nations groups in the Southeast in particular survived and avoided ethnic cleansing by passing as "black Irish", "black Dutch", or even mixed-race populations (and there were actual metis communities founded as well, like the Melungeon).

First Nations people did not become eligible for US citizenship until 1924 (when Congress mass naturalised every person in the US of NDN descent), and did not receive full civil rights until World War II--and again, there are a LOT of things pointing to things STILL having a long way to go (particularly in regards to how much sovereignity that tribal governments are allowed to have in practice--among other things, they cannot prosecute felony offenses committed by non-tribal members, which has led to a bit of a rape epidemic on a number of reservations--and the BIA not exactly being a good ward of the money they're supposed to be holding in trust for First Nations as compensation for NDNs being subjected to ethnic cleansing and mass violation of treaties).

In addition, many states in the Southeast explicitly included people of First Nations descent in their "one drop" rules (basically defining NDNs as Legally Black)...and this was on the lighter end; much more common were laws (that have been on the books since the first major acts of ethnic cleansing against the "Five Civilised Tribes", and are STILL on the books but legally unenforcable thanks to the Civil Rights Act) that were the exact equivalents of laws in "sundown towns" and the "Sundown State" of Indiana that prohibited people of First Nations descent from living or even loitering in those states.  If anything, someone of (say) Cherokee or Creek descent had it worse in some cases than African-Americans, hence why it was so common to try to pass as "high-yella" of some variety.

In fact, there were even times where explicit exemptions had to be given to some groups--the state of Virginia explicitly included First Nations as a group of Legally Black folks in its Jim Crow laws...and had to carve out an explicit exemption for descendants of Pocahantas (thus making at least her descendants Legally White) lest fully half the Virginia legislature be legally disenfranchised.

c) Another group of people who were functionally prohibited from US citizenship (and for a period, US immigration as well) were people of Asian descent; after a Supreme Court ruling that essentially upheld jus solis citizenship for a Chinese-American, laws were passed that essentially completely barred people of Asian descent from citizenship (and even prohibited them from entering the country as "undesirable persons"--this at the same time as massive immigration from Europe).  In addition, a lot of Western states passed rough equivalents of "sundown town" laws that prohibited settlement by people of Asian descent (and "Asian" was defined pretty broadly in some cases, Bellingham, WA's "sundown town" law targeting Asians also included people from the Indian subcontinent and the East Indies broadly), and in some cases even children of Asian immigrants were denied citizenship.  (Needless to say, this actually formed a lot of the legal basis for rounding up Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; legally, they were considered "enemy aliens" who were never eligible for US citizenship, and thus to be treated not unlike a "hostile Indian nation".  And yes, there was a lot of support from the more racist bits of the local white population--who weren't exactly friendly with Japanese-Americans even before World War II.

It pretty much took the Korean and Vietnam Wars for Asian-Americans to get full legal rights--it turns out that some major Cold War-fueled humanitarian crises (and refugee families including refugee kids) tended to speak rather louder (for once) than the usual "Yellow Menace" derp, and having a number of Korean and Vietnamese and Khmer and Lao and Hmong refugees rather helped open up the doors to actually allowing Asian-Americans to gain citizenship.
2013-05-13 05:15:10 PM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: BraveNewCheneyWorld  Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.

Brazil is supposedly even more mixed in terms of races than the US, and their people hardly look bland and similar.


Countries in the Western Hemisphere are very young.  Brazil is about 200 years old -- that's about 8 human generations -- and many of its people probably are descended from immigrants that arrived more recently than that.
2013-05-13 04:05:58 PM
1 votes:

Facetious_Speciest: atomicmask

So its cool that the white race is going extinct to you people?

I'm not going to say that there aren't people who cheer such a notion, I just don't understand how you get to "the white race is going extinct" from "some people have children with individuals of other races."


How do I get that?

1. If a growing portion of individuals are no longer being one race
2. That means that said races, black, white, asian, etc...are shrinking..
3. Typically, when a species is shrinking, it means extinction is on the way..

I do not find that spiffy or great, I find that sad. It means a generic dull brown mix of person, with no individual traits is going to make up the majority of the population. Which in turn proves the racist propagandists right, it never was about equality and diversity, it was all about destruction and muddling.
2013-05-13 03:57:16 PM
1 votes:
I thought this was going to be a thread about hot multiracial women.
2013-05-13 03:52:08 PM
1 votes:
So its cool that the white race is going extinct to you people?

I guess that whole "diversity" thing everyone celebrates really was a ruse then huh? Sounds less like a celebration of diversity and more like a celebration of racial destruction.
2013-05-13 02:31:10 PM
1 votes:
I'm Brazilian.  My mother is half Dutch, half Portuguese.  My dad is Italian/Portuguese/Black/Native South American mix.  Yet here in the US people label me as "Hispanic" even though I don't have any Spanish ancestors.
2013-05-13 02:09:03 PM
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.


Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.
2013-05-13 01:15:17 PM
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.


CSB:

When I went to registered and have a medical history done before having Lil Bee, the nurse asked me "Do you consider yourself Caucasian?" Um, yeah. Not sure what else I'd consider myself. I suppose I could have broken it down to Cherokee, Scot, German, Irish, Italian, African (wayyyyyy back), and probably a few other things that I don't know about. I think I look like a well-tanned white girl. My step-sister thinks I look biracial black/white. The grounds workers at Keeneland apparently think I'm Hispanic, because they all come up and speak to me in Spanish.
2013-05-13 01:09:58 PM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Why not just make multiracial a choice?


Because it's not a choice! People are born that way!
2013-05-13 01:08:53 PM
1 votes:
I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.
2013-05-13 01:04:49 PM
1 votes:
German, Polish, Norwegian.

I don't see the point to the "race" boxes any more, they're just fanning the flames and serve no other purpose.
2013-05-13 01:03:18 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: anfrind: Beyond that, it gets really messy. For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.

I thought the whole speciation argument between dogs and wolves was a political creation not supported by genetics?

I'm reminded of just how far outside the species one can get when hybridizing plants. The citrus family is almost entirely true-breeding hybrids.


As I said, genetics is messy.  Dogs and wolves are considered to be two different species, but they're closely enough related that in most cases it's trivial for them to interbreed, so one might argue that they should be considered the same species and not be completely wrong.

One good example of how messy generics can get (that I alluded to earlier) is the grolar bear.
2013-05-13 01:02:38 PM
1 votes:

pkellmey: I always check human or African descent, because after all, aren't we all.


I do that or "Native American" - I was born here, after all.

My wife checks "other" and then writes in "Dutch, Irish, English, French, maybe some German I don't know."
2013-05-13 12:56:43 PM
1 votes:
Jeopardy
The answer is: A multiracial birth.

The question: What's black and white and red all over?
2013-05-13 12:52:32 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.


So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.
2013-05-13 12:51:47 PM
1 votes:

Fano: FreakinB: I'm white and my girlfriend/future fiancé is Indian, so I've actually wondered how any kids we'd have would answer that question.

/My parents married outside of their religion so I'd just be taking things to the next level
//Mom's background is Italian Catholic, Dad's is Eastern European Jewish

In the same boat, perhaps we should ask makemorehinjews his opinion.


Heh. To complicate matters, my Dad isn't (and therefore I'm not) too close with his side of the family, but obviously it's the paternal side. So said hypothetical kids would be more likely to identify with Indian and Italian heritage, but have my stereotypical Jewish last name.

/America
2013-05-13 12:41:46 PM
1 votes:

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.
2013-05-13 12:33:59 PM
1 votes:

lymond01: Notabunny: This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.

I think people want skin color to identify culture, not race, which is really the problem.


That sounds about right.  Associating skin color, hair color, eye shape, etc. with cultural norms might help someone know what to do when meeting an unknown person from an unknown background--at least until you meet a guy who looks Japanese but barely speaks the language while his tall blonde girlfriend speaks Japanese as well as a native.

As usual, the truth resists simplicity.
2013-05-13 12:15:16 PM
1 votes:

mod3072: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

Except that in many cases it is not meaningless. Take medical forms, for example. Different races People with certain inheritable genetic markers have different susceptibilities to different ailments and may require different treatments. It's not racism, it's a fact of genetics. I can see where it can be meaningless for some things, but that doesn't make it meaningless for everything.



Race is old, outdated, shorthand.
2013-05-13 12:09:40 PM
1 votes:

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


Except that in many cases it is not meaningless. Take medical forms, for example. Different races have different susceptibilities to different ailments and may require different treatments. It's not racism, it's a fact of genetics. I can see where it can be meaningless for some things, but that doesn't make it meaningless for everything.
2013-05-13 11:53:10 AM
1 votes:
My wife is 1/8 Russian and 7/8 Chinese. Her G. grandpa was a refugee from the czar who settled in Canton. I'm Dutch, German, English and maybe 1/8 black. Grandma was from S. Africa and had really wavy hair. Nobody talked about it except for my mom. Our son is marrying the whitest woman I've ever seen. A blond Finn.

No, I don't have a point. But when this crap started appearing on forms in the 70's, I always checked "Other" and wrote in human.
2013-05-13 11:52:51 AM
1 votes:

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


It actually happens with a lot of families.

I grew up with a friend who was half Puerto Rican and half Irish.

Her Dad (The PR) REFUSED to teach his children Spanish, name his kids Spanish names, and discuss a lot of PR culture with his kids. He also got angry whenever they selected "mixed" or "Hispanic" on any forms because "they are white".

I think it's an irrational cultural fear of being labeled anything that isn't "white" would hurt you. Considering that WASPs have been in a position of power for the past 2 centuries, it's deeply ingrained in people.

A coal-black Dominican co-worker of my Mother insists he's "white" because he's from the upper-classes of Dominican society.

A Dominican friend of my Husband's family was very careful about sun exposure because he "Didn't want to be dark like a Haitian".

/I think it's a shame that people have hidden a lot of their cultural/racial heritage for fear of discriminated against.
//All men are created equal
2013-05-13 11:51:07 AM
1 votes:

Prince George: PapaChester: Suck it Repubs.

/you are not a real modern day Repub unless you support conceptual purity.

Awww... That's so cute. Little Billy is learning to troll.  Keep at it and some day you'll be as good as the average Farker.


The sad thing is that I almost bit. I'm pretty sure the fine gradations of ethnic background were not come up with by republicans but rather folks who wanted to precisely define who gets how much aid dollars, based on varying degrees of disadvantage.
2013-05-13 11:48:35 AM
1 votes:

jshine: So just make up a new catch-all for mixed ethnicity - like Caucasian already represents mixed European ancestry. My ancestors are from all over Europe (not including the Caucuses however).


Same here.

My mom's side is German and Irish and my Dad's side is Polish and Slovakian.

My Polish and German ancestors probably wouldn't get along together.

And it's essentially why I don't give a shiat about "the fate of the white race". It's already meaningless in my family.
2013-05-13 11:46:43 AM
1 votes:
Nobody farkin' cares.

Your background may be interesting to you, but there is no measure to the amount of farks I don't give when people start in with "well I'm 1/4 Cherokee, but my granpa was from Ireland, he hooked up with this Cajun broad" and on and on and on and I just want to drink my beer in peace and watch the game.
2013-05-13 11:46:05 AM
1 votes:

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


Into two folder:

1. Anal
2. Not Anal
2013-05-13 11:44:44 AM
1 votes:
I always check human or African descent, because after all, aren't we all.
2013-05-13 11:44:22 AM
1 votes:

OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.

As an analogy someone else used though, all dogs from a chihuahua to a pit bull to a great Dane are from the same species 'Canis lupus familiaris'. We describe the physical differences between them using the word 'breed'.

Race was probably intended to have a similar descriptive purpose for humans, but politics have made it effectively useless, so there is no politically-acceptable way to describe the differing appearances and characteristics of groups of humans.
2013-05-13 11:41:39 AM
1 votes:

varmitydog: Oriental= colored


A lot of North-eastern Asians are way paler than most "white" people. It's funny.

/My skin color is kind of an olive gray, but that's because I get no sunlight exposure at all.
2013-05-13 11:41:17 AM
1 votes:

devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.


I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.
2013-05-13 11:40:59 AM
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NO NOESSSS THE HORROR! -  Old white people everywhere.Racial politics is very arbitrary and ludicrous.

My great-aunt once got into a heap of trouble for daring to dance with Italian boy!! My Great-Grandmother was furious and sent her sons (Great-Aunt's siblings) down to the dance hall to drag her back home. The added irony is that Great-Grandma was hardcore Irish Catholic with 11 kids.

Irish, Italian, and Jewish people were not considered "white" at the turn of the century.

My Dad told me that when he was working as a bank teller in the 60's and 70's Italians where "discouraged" from working in the industry, unless they changed their names to something WASP-like. For some reason my IRISH Dad thought this wasn't a big deal, until I mentioned "No Irish Need Apply", he shut up after that.

/Glad we are moving away from this ridiculous shiat
2013-05-13 11:40:49 AM
1 votes:
Couldn't be confused from the census form I got:

1. Are you hispanic Y/N

/there is no number 2
2013-05-13 11:40:32 AM
1 votes:
This guy named Census sounds racist.
2013-05-13 11:40:20 AM
1 votes:
Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?


FLMountainMan: No. Not even Wewa still does that.

Silly_Sot Here in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the general attitude.

Aye, it's still the way over here, too. Ain't nobody going to say it aloud in front of some city fella with a bunch of coloreds in the woodpile what works for the government, though. That would be BIG trouble.
2013-05-13 11:39:27 AM
1 votes:
[_] HUMAN.

It is the only "Race" box that is acceptable.
2013-05-13 11:36:11 AM
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You Are All Sheep: Lies. A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different. Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


They really aren't significantly different genetically, and humans are even more similar.

We should either stop referring to all humans as members of the human race, or stop calling different colored humans different races. The way it is now is just confusing to people. Alternately we could just stop using the word race altogether and stick to biological classification for such things.
2013-05-13 11:34:33 AM
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OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


We're all sub-breeds of the same species. Much like all dogs are Canus canus, but not all dogs are the same breed, due to population segregation, geographic isolation, and adaptation to various environmental factors.
2013-05-13 11:33:44 AM
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OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


Not if you need to file a discrimination suit. There are protected classes of people but you have to qualify.
2013-05-13 11:33:42 AM
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YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


The Jersey Shore?
2013-05-13 11:32:53 AM
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LL316: Silly_Sot: in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the genera

It's nice that you're so comfortable looking down on an entire group of people.


It's almost as though he's learned it from the Democrats.
2013-05-13 11:32:01 AM
1 votes:
So just make up a new catch-all for mixed ethnicity - like Caucasian already represents mixed European ancestry. My ancestors are from all over Europe (not including the Caucuses however).
2013-05-13 11:29:21 AM
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browneye: I remember when Tiger Woods exploded on the golfing world and listening to a sports radio show talking about Tiger when one of the them said he thought Tiger Woods was "taking advantage" of his African American heritage.  His colleague asked him what he meant by that and the idiot would say was "I don't know.....I just think he's taking advantage of it."

To this day, I have no idea what the fark he meant.


There's your 1st problem.
2013-05-13 11:27:44 AM
1 votes:
My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.
2013-05-13 11:26:47 AM
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FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.


FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.


If they want to keep track of this silliness, they'll probably have to replace the checklist with some kind of grid, race one one axis, percent on the other.
2013-05-13 11:22:49 AM
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filter: Someone should guest post this at the Stormfront site just for the LOLZ.


thats .org - if you have the stomach for that sort of thing. Site is sicker than gore porn.
2013-05-13 11:22:33 AM
1 votes:

varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

 simple life can be?


No.  Not even Wewa still does that.
2013-05-13 11:21:57 AM
1 votes:
In the past the Census Dept. defaulted to the mother's heritage.  Obviously not a perfect solution.
2013-05-13 11:21:09 AM
1 votes:
Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?
2013-05-13 11:19:48 AM
1 votes:

simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.


CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.
2013-05-13 11:19:48 AM
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J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.


Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.
2013-05-13 11:19:38 AM
1 votes:
1/4 Eastern Band of Cherokee, and damn proud of it. I bet the government wishes I wasn't though...anything native american really messes up their paperwork.
2013-05-13 11:19:27 AM
1 votes:

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


A stroke?
2013-05-13 11:16:40 AM
1 votes:
Suck it Repubs.

/you are not a real modern day Repub unless you support conceptual purity.
2013-05-13 11:15:33 AM
1 votes:
OH NOES!!!!  How can we play identity politics then?
2013-05-13 11:12:57 AM
1 votes:
I refuse to acknowledge by multicultural dna. White people get all the breaks, so I am white...

/You wouldn't believe all the money I get
 
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