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2013-05-13 01:19:55 PM  
So it really took this long to realize, huh?
 
2013-05-13 01:19:59 PM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


It will all be inter-racial?
 
2013-05-13 01:20:01 PM  
So when everyone looks Brazilian will we be as diverse as possible?
 
2013-05-13 01:21:23 PM  
By 2045 more than one half of Americans will not be white, or male, or Christian, or straight, or married.

In other words, Republicans will be the invisible majority as well as the silent majority. And the totally made up majority, the pseudo-majority and the crypto-majority. And the tasteless, odorless and senseless majority. And the non-majority who gets more electoral college votes than all the other majorities combined.

God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.
 
2013-05-13 01:22:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?


How about if the question were:
People most often discriminate against me because I look...
?
 
2013-05-13 01:23:21 PM  
I put "Other" and then write in:
"Western European Islander"
/American of English descent, came over in 1620.
 
2013-05-13 01:24:37 PM  

varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?


How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?
 
2013-05-13 01:24:59 PM  

QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.   Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.


You missed a Mitch McConnell reference.

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2013-05-13 01:25:03 PM  

QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.


Old coal mines, not caves.  the mines have more reliable headroom.
And is it any coincidence that the county seat is named "Whitesburg"?
 
2013-05-13 01:27:08 PM  

brantgoose: God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.


No real fear of that, when Texas becomes a swing state, before 2045 from the looks of it, that will break the Republican congressional hold.

The only real area of concern is the Republicans managing to get over their racism and creating a block of value voters out of first generation immigrants from Christian countries and the religious white folk.  Even so that's not a huge threat because within a generate or two the descendants of the immigrants assimilate and move more to the social norm.
 
2013-05-13 01:29:08 PM  

give me doughnuts: QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.

Old coal mines, not caves.  the mines have more reliable headroom.
And is it any coincidence that the county seat is named "Whitesburg"?


Which is right next to Blackie.
 
2013-05-13 01:30:22 PM  

JoeyJoJo: Oh noes, when Adam Carolla finds out about this, he's going to have yet ANOTHER rant about "that person where you just can't tell what they are".


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2013-05-13 01:30:41 PM  

boarch: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?

How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?



North Florida and the Panhandle? Total cracker-country.
It's Alabama all the over to St. Augustine.
 
2013-05-13 01:31:18 PM  

Prey4reign: I don't have the time to read all the posts that went before but, why don't they just come up with a category named "American Hybrid"?


I like 'Mutt' better.  Not so pretentious.
 
2013-05-13 01:40:42 PM  
Seems like it should be less confusing with a lot of them than it would be if it were rare.
 
2013-05-13 01:47:49 PM  

give me doughnuts: boarch: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?

How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?


North Florida and the Panhandle? Total cracker-country.
It's Alabama all the over to St. Augustine.


You sound racist.
 
2013-05-13 01:48:33 PM  

ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.


I highly doubt that, mutt dogs and cats come in all sorts of colorings, sizes, and facial features.
 
2013-05-13 01:51:46 PM  
Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.
 
2013-05-13 01:54:38 PM  

doubled99: That's racist.


That's a very racist thing to say.
 
2013-05-13 01:56:11 PM  

Gonz: devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.

I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.


I always wondered, why do peoole care so much about their ancestry? Once you name 4 which are "primary" cultural backgrounds, then that would lead me to assume that the only person thinking she is actually German and English and Russian and Polish would be the person self. I doubt she has the mannerisms of even half the cultures she decended from, and that those that she does have, have been filtered through the mannerisms of her parents, the culture where the various contributors to her genetic make-up grew up, the people at school and the culture of nation where she grew up.

After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.
 
2013-05-13 01:58:04 PM  

R.A.Danny: Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?

Because some politicians like to classify people by race, so that they can make decisions based on stereotypical common biases... ironically they think this makes them not racist.

brantgoose: God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.

If you don't want your political enemy to be in charge of something that is important to you, then why give that power to a political operative that can change after the next election.   I mean, why give power to Obama when next election someone worse than Bush could be (and probably will be) elected?   Imagine Sara Palin in charge of your health care... D'oh!
 
2013-05-13 01:59:49 PM  

ChipNASA: I put "Other" and then write in:
"Western European Islander"
/American of English descent, came over in 1620.


That's one in-bred family tree if you can't trace your ancestry back to some other countries as well.

- Both sides of my family can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower (mother is in the Mayflower society)
- Still have plenty of French, German, and Polish immigrants in my tree as well.  Probably lots of others as well, but I'm only familiar with the primary lines from my grandparents.
 
2013-05-13 02:00:27 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:02:49 PM  

ModernLuddite: I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.


Yeah it is.

My Ethiopian co-worker does that to other Ethiopians that she doesn't know. She also points out every single time she shows me her pictures of Ethiopia that "That is their real hair!".
 
2013-05-13 02:03:49 PM  
As an exchange student to Germany, I was asked what the polite term in American English one would use to refer to someone's race.

I answered: There really isn't one.

I think by the time my children's children are running things, people will simply "be". Your nation of origin, your race, your ethnic group will be right up there with your home town and what high school you went to. Interesting, but not life defining.
 
2013-05-13 02:08:40 PM  

DerAppie: After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.


THIS
I was stuck on a plane with a racist old lady.  I was board and was chatting with her anyway trying to see if I could at least get her to see that people other than what she grew up with, are still humans.  Anyway she was worried that "white America was going to become extinct."  I told her.  "Don't worry about it.  In the future people may change their skin color like we change our hair color.  My kids are far darker than me but they are all suburban computer geeks, because I raised them.  It's all about culture not genetics."
 
2013-05-13 02:08:52 PM  

You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


Sheesh. "Races" are pseudo-scientific constructs that consist of family resemblance, nothing more. The median difference between members of a "race" is larger than the median difference between "races," with the exception of a few superficial bits of outward appearance such as tightly curled hair or epicanthic folds. No one has ever made a scientific description that describes a "race" biologically.

Dog breeds are something entirely different, created by intensive selected breeding. Put a group of "purebred" dogs together, and eventually they'll breed back to something that resembles a coyote.

Read up on the history of race; it's fascinating, and dates back only to the 18th century or so. We seem to have pared down the number of races that people believe in today to less than a half-dozen. People once thought that Germans and the Dutch were two separate and distinct races, and some 19th-century pseudo-scientists had people divided into more than 100 "races." Most of Hitler's racial theories were concerned with categorizing white Europeans into distinct races, while lumping Bantu, Berber and pygmy into a single "Negro" race.
 
2013-05-13 02:09:03 PM  

BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.


Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.
 
2013-05-13 02:12:21 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: As an exchange student to Germany, I was asked what the polite term in American English one would use to refer to someone's race.

I answered: There really isn't one.

I think by the time my children's children are running things, people will simply "be". Your nation of origin, your race, your ethnic group will be right up there with your home town and what high school you went to. Interesting, but not life defining.


I'm waiting for the day where what we call "race" is as meaningful as what we call "height".
 
2013-05-13 02:12:26 PM  

FreakinB: ha-ha-guy: Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.

My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!


Inter ethic/race racism is weird to my lily-white American ass.

My best friend of 10+ years is black, apparently light-colored Black people are "house slaves" and look down upon the darker "field slaves".

I did notice when I visited her at a historical black college that the girls did tend to form into clique's based on how light their skin was, it was very weird.

I think it really boiled down to the "hot popular girl" thing, light-colored black girls are culturally preferred  standard of beauty and form a "popular girl" crowd.
 
2013-05-13 02:17:17 PM  

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


Brazil is a complicated place:

Affirming a divide
Black Brazilians are much worse off than they should be. But what is the best way to remedy that?
The Economist
Jan 28th 2012 | RIO DE JANEIRO |From the print edition


In the 2010 census some 51% of Brazilians defined themselves as black or brown. On average, the income of whites is slightly more than double that of black or brown Brazilians, according to IPEA, a government-linked think-tank. It finds that blacks are relatively disadvantaged in their level of education and in their access to health and other services. For example, more than half the people in Rio de Janeiro's favelas (slums) are black. The comparable figure in the city's richer districts is just 7%.

http://www.economist.com/node/21543494


// "Five Brazilian soldiers died? My God, that's awful!"
/// "How many is a 'Brazilian'?"
//// RIP blonde jokes :(
 
2013-05-13 02:18:35 PM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.


No, you're subjectively white; it's a made-up race whose membership has been growing as more ethnic groups become accepted into the mainstream.
 
2013-05-13 02:18:39 PM  

mr0x: BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.

Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.


One of the assumptions for Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium:

'there is no migration, mutation or selection '


It's a neat math model of genetic allele distribution, but I'm sorry, until very recently humans did not cross pollinate geographically all that often.  So while this principle would be true for a geographic region or pocket prior to cheap energy and cheap travel, it does not hold in the same fashion after equilibrium is ruptured in the now because the population has been magnified many fold and the isolated pockets are allowed to inter-breed.  That being said, at some point equilibrium will be attained again under this principle.  But that is not where we are today at all.
 
2013-05-13 02:18:53 PM  
I'm half asian and half white. These race boxes always infuriated me because there was never really an option for mixed races when I was growing up. I'd end up picking either Asian or White whenever one would benefit more than the other for that particular situation.

My appearance is mostly Asian, despite 50% white heritage, so I've had many people who were understandably skeptical when I checked the White box.
 
2013-05-13 02:19:25 PM  

This text is now purple: How do you define "significantly different" for purposes of genetics?


Different colors of human only have something like 0.5% genetic variation. While humans and chimps have a 5% genetic variation. Based on that i'd consider 4-5% genetic variation to be significant, although it appears different dog breeds have unusually high genetic variation, so i guess the idea of there being significant genetic difference between various races or breeds of the same type of animal could apply to dogs, but not humans or much else.
 
2013-05-13 02:19:46 PM  

Whexican: kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?

Into two folder:

1. Anal
2. Not Anal


Wow. Just ... wow

New keyboard. Please. Plus my coworkwrs think im crazy, and i cant explain this to them.
 
2013-05-13 02:23:54 PM  
One day at a job I used to work at, I had to go to another coworker who used to do my job and have her set me up in the system to do the job that she once did.  Part of the requirement was to put my mother's maiden name in for the security question.  So I gave it to her and she put it in.  The woman who was doing this was a hispanic woman.  When I gave her my mother's maiden name she looked at me and said "That's clearly a British name, your name is Scottish...Damn, you are a white boy."
 
2013-05-13 02:26:51 PM  
boarch: Who actually still says colored?

White folks from the country over 60, mainly. It's difficult to explain to the mainly surburbanites and urban folks on Fark, but in a lot of the rural areas of the southern part of America, time pretty much stands still, or is at least a couple of decades behind the changes in modern society. A lot of the elderly people still use the vernacular that they were raised with. And up until about 1975 or so, black people were called colored people. And there really were not so many other ethnic groups around, so all of them were lumped in with the blacks. This is not to say that all of these same people are racists, many of them are quite friendly to all people regardless of race, and would never use the n word or any other derogatory term for the blacks... or any other ethnicity for that matter. Only white trash would do that, don't you know.

Even though the schools and government are intergrated, the tv pipes in the modern society, and there is a lot of racial mixing amongst the young, the old ways still persist. I suppose it will until they are all dead.
 
2013-05-13 02:29:44 PM  

simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.


My family is Black/White, Mexican/White, Philipino/White, etc.  There's even a few things in there we aren't sure of.

This is the melting pot nation.  Melt, Damn It!
 
2013-05-13 02:31:10 PM  
I'm Brazilian.  My mother is half Dutch, half Portuguese.  My dad is Italian/Portuguese/Black/Native South American mix.  Yet here in the US people label me as "Hispanic" even though I don't have any Spanish ancestors.
 
2013-05-13 02:33:26 PM  
My folks are two of the whitest bread individuals you will ever meet.

3 of their five grandkids are some shade of brown.

I enjoyed checking the multiple race boxes on the census for our kids.
 
2013-05-13 02:36:39 PM  
I'm Welsh and English by ancestry, but Southern Appalachian by culture. The white folks I grew up around do not lead one to assume that white supremacy is a viable theory.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:47 PM  
RACE IS A STUPID CONCEPT
 
2013-05-13 02:38:31 PM  

mr0x: BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.

Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.


If you start with a sufficiently large amount of gingers then you could still expect gingers to crop up after a few dozen generations. But the amount of gingers born would decrease. Assume an Irish ginger with ginger genes on both chromosomes in Asia. (S)he only passes along 1. If the partner doesn't pass along the gene (which Asian don't posses according to South Park) then you'd only have a 50% chance that the grandchild of the ginger person passes on the ginger gene to a child. 25% that the great grand child receives a ginger gene etc. Due to the fact that there are fewer people with red hair than without it would seem simple math that increased mobility threatens the red hair gene.

/I have a red beard and would like to offer my services to preserve the existence if redheads
 
2013-05-13 02:39:25 PM  
i like how the article states that in the last census only three percent checked a box for multiple nationalities.  maybe people just check one because they don't want to map their family tree to get the census fark out the door.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:04 PM  

BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.


There may be less phenotypical expression of the recessive genes, but they will still be there to be passed on.  "Dominance" does not affect odds of inheritance, unless the feature affects survival / reproduction / child rearing.  In fact I would say that blonde / red hair and blue / green eyes confer a reproductive advantage, because people find those features attractive; so even if the immediate child generation might not have those features, later generations might express them again, so there will be a floor for how much those traits might disperse.


BafflerMeal: One of the assumptions for Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium:

'there is no migration, mutation or selection '


While there is certainly greater migration these days, there is still a tendency for people, especially in developed countries (e.g. most of the ones with white people in them) to stay in those countries.  Yes people are afraid of teh immigants but even among immigrant population, reproductive rates decline after one or two generations.

Also, I'd like to point out that "selection" part -- I think people tend to pick someone like themselves as their mate; while this is no longer restricted to "race", however you define it, there are still a lot of things that correlate with race, such as wealth and education.  And of course that's not to discount people who will select based on appearance, for whatever reasons -- there will probably be a lot of them around to preserve their gene pool.
 
2013-05-13 02:42:36 PM  

varmitydog: boarch: Who actually still says colored?

White folks from the country over 60, mainly. It's difficult to explain to the mainly surburbanites and urban folks on Fark, but in a lot of the rural areas of the southern part of America, time pretty much stands still, or is at least a couple of decades behind the changes in modern society. A lot of the elderly people still use the vernacular that they were raised with. And up until about 1975 or so, black people were called colored people. And there really were not so many other ethnic groups around, so all of them were lumped in with the blacks. This is not to say that all of these same people are racists, many of them are quite friendly to all people regardless of race, and would never use the n word or any other derogatory term for the blacks... or any other ethnicity for that matter. Only white trash would do that, don't you know.

Even though the schools and government are intergrated, the tv pipes in the modern society, and there is a lot of racial mixing amongst the young, the old ways still persist. I suppose it will until they are all dead.


I live in bumfark south carolina and none of the old people say colored. They used a word colored people like far less. I call BS
 
2013-05-13 02:45:05 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:47:43 PM  
Lollipop165 whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.

My Filipino husband checked off "Asian" instead of Pacific Islander when applying for colleges. According to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, he's Pacific Islander and therefore he could have put that. If admissions had a problem with it, I'd tell them to take it up with one of the most renowned museums in the world :-)


I had this discussion at a meeting in my company.  Since we have a lot of Filipino employees and the US government was asking for census data in the healthcare industry (which we are), the question came up on the classification.  It actually brought up quite a bit of debate.

However, the instructions for the census says quite specifically Filipinos are Asians... not pacific islanders and should be recorded as such.  As a side note, I think that makes far more sense anyways and the issue was idiotic in the first place.

Anyhow, again the arbitrary nature of government or other recording organizations to catagorize on basis of race.
 
2013-05-13 02:48:05 PM  

Great Janitor: Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.


I have always found that people who truly don't care about "diversity" (The PC type) and look for competent people tend to have the most diverse teams of people.

I work with a:

Trinidad Chinese (with some others mixed in)
Chinese guy
Chinese girl
Ethiopian girl
Ukrainian guy
Italian guy
Irish/German American girl (me)
Irish Canadian guy
 
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