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2013-05-13 12:38:29 PM
Another constant "Other" checker here. I really think we should all choose Other whenever possible, for the lulz if nothing else.

"Human" is a fine blank-filler, but my current favorites are "North Sea Islander" if I'm feeling specific and "Eurasian aborigine" when I feel like being confusing.

In a pinch, I'll accept "white" if we're doing the color-spectrum thing, but I absolutely abhor "Caucasian." Your Biblical pseudo-science ends where my genes begin, thanks.
 
2013-05-13 12:41:09 PM

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


For some reason I have you highlighted as "best gravy". I guess i could change it to "token black guy" now.
 
2013-05-13 12:41:46 PM

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.
 
2013-05-13 12:43:08 PM

ha-ha-guy: My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:


One of three things.  I no good at teh counting.

/that is why I married an Asian, get those math skills back in the family lineage
 
2013-05-13 12:43:10 PM

This text is now purple: J. Frank Parnell: They really aren't significantly different genetically, and humans are even more similar.

How do you define "significantly different" for purposes of genetics?


You can figure out which alleles you're interested in, then count the frequency of certain alleles in one race or breed and compare them to another race or breed.  This has been done, but the problem is that the alleles that should really matter (e.g. sickle-cell anemia) may frequently occur along with more easily observable characteristics (e.g. skin color), but rarely is the match reliable enough to be useful.

Beyond that, it gets really messy.  For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.
 
Oak
2013-05-13 12:43:24 PM
Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.
 
2013-05-13 12:44:02 PM

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


Probably a lot more like Filipino since there are so many Asians. I'm married to a Filipino and so I notice whenever someone has a mixed Asian/white baby. They all more or less look Filipino. Even Asian/black mixes. Native Filipinos are basically Malay (Asian) but a huge chunk of the population has been screwing the European Spanish so long that most look like mutts as a nationality.
 
2013-05-13 12:44:26 PM

clipperbox: Demographics? Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, sonny. Young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I black or non-black hispanic? ... There's not a day goes by I don't feel confused about my ethnicity. Not because I'm in here. Because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then. A young, stupid black kid who filled in those terrible race boxes. I wanna talk to him. I wanna try to talk some sense to him. Tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old multiracial man's all that's left. I gotta live with that. Demographics? That's just a bullshiat word. So you go on and stamp your census form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because, to tell you the truth, I don't give a shiat.


I heard this entire thing in my head in Morgan Freeman's voice.
 
2013-05-13 12:45:37 PM

Oak: Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.


So Alchemy doesn't work?
 
2013-05-13 12:46:37 PM

deanis: spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.

For some reason I have you highlighted as "best gravy". I guess i could change it to "token black guy" now.


He's a Pocket Ninja wannabe.  In another thread, he claimed to be a Branch Davidian survivor.
 
2013-05-13 12:47:15 PM

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


That is by far the best description of Kim & Kanye I have ever read.
 
2013-05-13 12:47:30 PM

Meh, they'll still find a way to alienate somebody for being different.


i26.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-13 12:47:39 PM

anfrind: Beyond that, it gets really messy. For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.


I thought the whole speciation argument between dogs and wolves was a political creation not supported by genetics?

I'm reminded of just how far outside the species one can get when hybridizing plants. The citrus family is almost entirely true-breeding hybrids.
 
2013-05-13 12:48:03 PM
fine with me, i've always wanted to date a woman from another race
 
2013-05-13 12:48:35 PM

netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?


Reminds me of this scene:

Nina Blackburn: For instance, with the song "Kill Whitey."
Ice Cold: That shiat was a whole big misunderstanding. They took the whole thing out of context.
Tone Deaf: They were trying to say we were advocating killing white people and shiat.
Tasty Taste: Yeah! Do I look like the type of nubian that could kill a whole buncha white mutha farkas? I mean, you know, given a reason, but not on a humbug.
Nina Blackburn: Well, in the song lyrics I'm quoting: "He'll rip you off. He'll take your money, make you work for free. Though you may scoff. It isn't funny. He's the devil, see. Kill Whitey."
Ice Cold: Right. Now how can you listen to that and think we're talking about killing all white people?
Tone Deaf: Fact. We were talking about one specific whitey. Whitey Deluca our ex-manager.
Tasty Taste: He ripped us off for 70 g's.
Ice Cold: That's right. And Whitey Deluca wasn't even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complexion MFs you know.
 
2013-05-13 12:50:29 PM

James!: I'm okay with this.


Yup. Nothing but forward progress to see here, move along citizens.

/only one race: Human.
//deal with it
 
2013-05-13 12:51:47 PM

Fano: FreakinB: I'm white and my girlfriend/future fiancé is Indian, so I've actually wondered how any kids we'd have would answer that question.

/My parents married outside of their religion so I'd just be taking things to the next level
//Mom's background is Italian Catholic, Dad's is Eastern European Jewish

In the same boat, perhaps we should ask makemorehinjews his opinion.


Heh. To complicate matters, my Dad isn't (and therefore I'm not) too close with his side of the family, but obviously it's the paternal side. So said hypothetical kids would be more likely to identify with Indian and Italian heritage, but have my stereotypical Jewish last name.

/America
 
2013-05-13 12:52:15 PM

Oak: Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.


Precisely. I believe it was thanks to the tireless pioneering research of Dr. Cpt. Planet et. al that we finally discoverd the 5th and final element of Heart in 1668 (due to the grant under King Charles II being temporarily restricted during the Second Anglo-Dutch War) if memory serves.
 
2013-05-13 12:52:32 PM

ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.


So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.
 
2013-05-13 12:54:28 PM

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


Lord loves a workin' man, don't trust Whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
 
2013-05-13 12:54:52 PM

megarian: YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?

A stroke?


I thought Snooki was Italian, not Kurdish.
 
2013-05-13 12:56:43 PM
Jeopardy
The answer is: A multiracial birth.

The question: What's black and white and red all over?
 
2013-05-13 12:56:45 PM

shortymac: My Dad told me that when he was working as a bank teller in the 60's and 70's Italians where "discouraged" from working in the industry, unless they changed their names to something WASP-like. For some reason my IRISH Dad thought this wasn't a big deal, until I mentioned "No Irish Need Apply", he shut up after that.


My Dad is off the boat, and my mother is fluent in Italian (both are Northern Italian) but it was rarely if ever used in my household. The whole goal of my parents/grandparents was to raise me as "white" as could be. Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

I thought they were being ridiculous growing up that I was anything but "Italian as white" but I recently applied to take some night classes at CUNY Hunter in NYC. Under "race", it listed the regulars: Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, etc. Then as a total separate box, there it was: "Italian". I couldn't believe my eyes - it must be a holdover from the 1950s or something.

/checked the box :-)
 
2013-05-13 12:56:58 PM
{horrible racist troll attempt}
 
2013-05-13 12:58:02 PM

Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


One of my kids is pale with dark blonde hair and blue eyes.  My other kid is tan with black hair and brown eyes.  Multiracial mating is fun! You never know what you are going to get.
 
2013-05-13 12:58:39 PM
whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.
 
2013-05-13 01:00:48 PM
No one yet? Really?
mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-05-13 01:02:38 PM

pkellmey: I always check human or African descent, because after all, aren't we all.


I do that or "Native American" - I was born here, after all.

My wife checks "other" and then writes in "Dutch, Irish, English, French, maybe some German I don't know."
 
2013-05-13 01:02:48 PM

Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.


Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.
 
2013-05-13 01:03:18 PM

This text is now purple: anfrind: Beyond that, it gets really messy. For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.

I thought the whole speciation argument between dogs and wolves was a political creation not supported by genetics?

I'm reminded of just how far outside the species one can get when hybridizing plants. The citrus family is almost entirely true-breeding hybrids.


As I said, genetics is messy.  Dogs and wolves are considered to be two different species, but they're closely enough related that in most cases it's trivial for them to interbreed, so one might argue that they should be considered the same species and not be completely wrong.

One good example of how messy generics can get (that I alluded to earlier) is the grolar bear.
 
2013-05-13 01:04:49 PM
German, Polish, Norwegian.

I don't see the point to the "race" boxes any more, they're just fanning the flames and serve no other purpose.
 
2013-05-13 01:05:14 PM

legion_of_doo: whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.


My Filipino husband checked off "Asian" instead of Pacific Islander when applying for colleges. According to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, he's Pacific Islander and therefore he could have put that. If admissions had a problem with it, I'd tell them to take it up with one of the most renowned museums in the world :-)
 
2013-05-13 01:06:39 PM

J. Frank Parnell: They really aren't significantly different genetically


And yet they are significantly different.
 
2013-05-13 01:08:48 PM
Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?
 
2013-05-13 01:08:49 PM
I always check the Hispanic box since one of my distant relatives was Spanish, according to my deceased grandfather.
 
2013-05-13 01:08:53 PM
I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.
 
2013-05-13 01:09:41 PM

ha-ha-guy: Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.


My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!
 
2013-05-13 01:09:58 PM

abhorrent1: Why not just make multiracial a choice?


Because it's not a choice! People are born that way!
 
2013-05-13 01:10:50 PM

anfrind: lymond01: Notabunny: This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.

I think people want skin color to identify culture, not race, which is really the problem.

That sounds about right.  Associating skin color, hair color, eye shape, etc. with cultural norms might help someone know what to do when meeting an unknown person from an unknown background--at least until you meet a guy who looks Japanese but barely speaks the language while his tall blonde girlfriend speaks Japanese as well as a native.

As usual, the truth resists simplicity.


Yeah my blond cousins were raised in Africa and speak Swahili etc etc.  They are more "African American" than many of the people I know with obvious African characteristics.
 
2013-05-13 01:11:23 PM
The united states is a huge melting pot.  Maybe we should just say we are Americans, and only "check boxes" for out racial history

Oh wait, the Mexicans also call themselves Americans since they have no national pride, dammit
 
2013-05-13 01:12:10 PM
There are cons.  Ethnic groups wield a lot of political power. Not a politician around that won't get on his knees to please the Hispanic/Asian/Black/Jewish voting block, but if a person is 1/4 HIspanic, 1/4 Asian, 1.4 Black and 1/4 Jewish, he is a mutt that no one cares about.
 
2013-05-13 01:13:21 PM

jfarkinB: Guess I'm part of the problem. My ancestry is 95+% German/Prussian, and I went and married someone who's half Czech. Next thing you know, one of my kids will marry someone Irish, and my ancestral army will rise from their graves in rage.


Hey!  I'm half Czech, half Irish.  I don't know if I should be offended, or go and get a drink.  Everybody came over here when your people started Blitzkrieggin all over the joint.
 
2013-05-13 01:15:17 PM

ModernLuddite: I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.


CSB:

When I went to registered and have a medical history done before having Lil Bee, the nurse asked me "Do you consider yourself Caucasian?" Um, yeah. Not sure what else I'd consider myself. I suppose I could have broken it down to Cherokee, Scot, German, Irish, Italian, African (wayyyyyy back), and probably a few other things that I don't know about. I think I look like a well-tanned white girl. My step-sister thinks I look biracial black/white. The grounds workers at Keeneland apparently think I'm Hispanic, because they all come up and speak to me in Spanish.
 
2013-05-13 01:15:59 PM
Great. You can get rid of racial profiling as soon as the cops can no longer be sure whether they're beating up a guy who fits their profile or a white guy.
 
2013-05-13 01:16:38 PM
Are invisible minorities still invisible?
 
2013-05-13 01:16:40 PM

FreakinB: My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!


My theory is that Italy was the first large corporation.  When it is centralized (unified) there is a massive push to decentralize and become more agile (Papal States, Kind of Two Sicilies, Venetian Republic, etc).  When decentralized there is a massive push to centralize.

When you get right down to it though, Italy is only unified because of common Roman history and the fact there are some useful geographic advantages to not being a bunch of small shiatty states.  They've spent more time broken up since the fall of the Roman Empire than together.
 
2013-05-13 01:16:52 PM

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


Next time, just mark Asian.  If she gets angry, just squint back at her.
 
2013-05-13 01:17:09 PM
It's all a big melting pot

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

What would happen if Egyptians, Libyans, Moroccans and the like in America called themselves Afro American? That would be a game changer, wouldn't it?

///I like Charlize Theron, as a white South African who moved to America she is a GREAT Afro-American lady!
 
2013-05-13 01:18:43 PM

Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY



Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.
 
2013-05-13 01:19:25 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: It's all a big melting pot

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

What would happen if Egyptians, Libyans, Moroccans and the like in America called themselves Afro American? That would be a game changer, wouldn't it?

///I like Charlize Theron, as a white South African who moved to America she is a GREAT Afro-American lady!


'Cause white South Africans have never made a big deal about keeping themselves apart from black South Africans. . .
 
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