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2013-05-13 10:47:09 AM  
I'm a German Dutch Native American American, AND PROUD OF IT
 
2013-05-13 10:49:57 AM  
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-05-13 11:05:31 AM  
Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.
 
2013-05-13 11:12:35 AM  
That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.
 
2013-05-13 11:12:44 AM  
How will we sort our porn in the future?
 
2013-05-13 11:12:57 AM  
I refuse to acknowledge by multicultural dna. White people get all the breaks, so I am white...

/You wouldn't believe all the money I get
 
2013-05-13 11:13:48 AM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Approve.
 
2013-05-13 11:14:38 AM  
Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.
 
2013-05-13 11:15:33 AM  
OH NOES!!!!  How can we play identity politics then?
 
2013-05-13 11:15:36 AM  
That's racist.
 
2013-05-13 11:15:58 AM  

simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.


I have two Chinese nieces.  I think my sister was planning on just one, but when you adopt Chinese, an hour later you want to adopt again.
 
2013-05-13 11:16:13 AM  
There is really just one race: the human one.
 
2013-05-13 11:16:16 AM  
Other: [,/] Human
 
2013-05-13 11:16:25 AM  
What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?
 
2013-05-13 11:16:39 AM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


Things we're willing to talk about and things we actually watch.
 
2013-05-13 11:16:40 AM  
Suck it Repubs.

/you are not a real modern day Repub unless you support conceptual purity.
 
2013-05-13 11:17:34 AM  
Guess I'm part of the problem. My ancestry is 95+% German/Prussian, and I went and married someone who's half Czech. Next thing you know, one of my kids will marry someone Irish, and my ancestral army will rise from their graves in rage.
 
2013-05-13 11:17:47 AM  
I pass for human although I've never identified with the human race.
 
2013-05-13 11:18:01 AM  
Being mixed with multiple ethnicities myself, I have no problem with this.
 
2013-05-13 11:18:26 AM  
Idiocracy predicted this....among other things. Ow, my balls!
 
2013-05-13 11:18:35 AM  
When will the government give up trying to classify people by their "race" (whatever that means)?
 
2013-05-13 11:18:46 AM  
WHAT AM I???*runs off screaming*
 
2013-05-13 11:18:56 AM  
Someone should guest post this at the Stormfront site just for the LOLZ.
 
2013-05-13 11:19:01 AM  

James!: kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?

Things we're willing to talk about and things we actually watch.


So, just Veronica Moser then?
 
2013-05-13 11:19:19 AM  
Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.


GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
 
2013-05-13 11:19:22 AM  
The greys!
 
2013-05-13 11:19:27 AM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


A stroke?
 
2013-05-13 11:19:28 AM  
I'm okay with this as long as they don't turk ur jrrbs.
 
2013-05-13 11:19:38 AM  
1/4 Eastern Band of Cherokee, and damn proud of it. I bet the government wishes I wasn't though...anything native american really messes up their paperwork.
 
2013-05-13 11:19:48 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.


Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.
 
2013-05-13 11:19:48 AM  

simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.


CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.
 
2013-05-13 11:19:52 AM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


1) Porn with redheads
2) Everything else
 
2013-05-13 11:20:06 AM  
Heinz 57.
 
2013-05-13 11:20:15 AM  

sheep snorter: Other: [,/] Human


A likely story Mutant
 
2013-05-13 11:21:09 AM  
Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?
 
2013-05-13 11:21:24 AM  

FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married an Armenian.  His older brother married a  half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  Their oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.


FTFM, not that anyone cares.
 
2013-05-13 11:21:31 AM  

James!: I'm okay with this.


Me too!  I think is probably the best thing to happen to this country in quite a while.
 
2013-05-13 11:21:57 AM  
In the past the Census Dept. defaulted to the mother's heritage.  Obviously not a perfect solution.
 
2013-05-13 11:22:33 AM  

varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

 simple life can be?


No.  Not even Wewa still does that.
 
2013-05-13 11:22:49 AM  

filter: Someone should guest post this at the Stormfront site just for the LOLZ.


thats .org - if you have the stomach for that sort of thing. Site is sicker than gore porn.
 
2013-05-13 11:23:02 AM  
Show 'em to me. I'll tell you what each one is in like two seconds.
 
2013-05-13 11:23:15 AM  
Well, the census is just going to require more forms.  We've got computers, you just fill in your ancestors race back eight generations, then we'll keep tracking your kids in perpetuity.

/Oh, and don't lie, we'll know and throw you in jail perjury.
 
2013-05-13 11:23:48 AM  

You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


And Border Collies are smarter than Dalmations.
 
2013-05-13 11:24:16 AM  
I never answer because "MURRICAN!!1" is never an option

THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-05-13 11:25:54 AM  
Looks like Warren Beatty's vision of "race deconstruction" is slowly but surely coming to pass.
 
2013-05-13 11:26:26 AM  
www.2brendans.com

Approves
 
2013-05-13 11:26:47 AM  

FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.


FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married a half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  The oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.


If they want to keep track of this silliness, they'll probably have to replace the checklist with some kind of grid, race one one axis, percent on the other.
 
2013-05-13 11:27:44 AM  
My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.
 
2013-05-13 11:27:52 AM  
This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.
 
2013-05-13 11:28:03 AM  
I remember when Tiger Woods exploded on the golfing world and listening to a sports radio show talking about Tiger when one of the them said he thought Tiger Woods was "taking advantage" of his African American heritage.  His colleague asked him what he meant by that and the idiot would say was "I don't know.....I just think he's taking advantage of it."

To this day, I have no idea what the fark he meant.
 
2013-05-13 11:28:43 AM  
Actually thinking about moving back to the wife's country because our mixed kids would be unusual there and hence move to the top of the social totem pole.  Here it's just "meh".
 
2013-05-13 11:29:08 AM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


Comedy Gold! Wednesdays at 8pm on NBC.
 
2013-05-13 11:29:12 AM  
If you check more than one box when the instructions say to check only one, they should just classify them as the stupid race.
 
2013-05-13 11:29:12 AM  
Oh noes, when Adam Carolla finds out about this, he's going to have yet ANOTHER rant about "that person where you just can't tell what they are".

But, in his words, racism is over because we have a black president.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-13 11:29:21 AM  

browneye: I remember when Tiger Woods exploded on the golfing world and listening to a sports radio show talking about Tiger when one of the them said he thought Tiger Woods was "taking advantage" of his African American heritage.  His colleague asked him what he meant by that and the idiot would say was "I don't know.....I just think he's taking advantage of it."

To this day, I have no idea what the fark he meant.


There's your 1st problem.
 
2013-05-13 11:29:52 AM  

FLMountainMan: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

 simple life can be?

No.  Not even Wewa still does that.


Here in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the general attitude.
 
2013-05-13 11:30:24 AM  

PapaChester: Suck it Repubs.

/you are not a real modern day Repub unless you support conceptual purity.


Awww... That's so cute. Little Billy is learning to troll.  Keep at it and some day you'll be as good as the average Farker.
 
2013-05-13 11:30:47 AM  

Silly_Sot: in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the genera


It's nice that you're so comfortable looking down on an entire group of people.
 
2013-05-13 11:30:55 AM  
Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?
 
2013-05-13 11:31:18 AM  

You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.



Dogs belong to the same species grouping just as humans belong to the same species grouping.  By being part of hte same species there can be different character traits but at the end of the day they are still canines or humans are still humans.  The use of race is a way of grouping people into sections based on physical traits but at the end of the day there is only one human race.   Race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.The sooner we get ouf of this race issue the better and accept the fact that we are all humans and that we just have different physical traits which helps to add to diversity.
 
2013-05-13 11:32:01 AM  
So just make up a new catch-all for mixed ethnicity - like Caucasian already represents mixed European ancestry. My ancestors are from all over Europe (not including the Caucuses however).
 
2013-05-13 11:32:14 AM  
What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.
 
2013-05-13 11:32:53 AM  

LL316: Silly_Sot: in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the genera

It's nice that you're so comfortable looking down on an entire group of people.


It's almost as though he's learned it from the Democrats.
 
2013-05-13 11:32:56 AM  
Eventually, we'll all be a light brownish color, and we'll have to find new reasons to divide people up into groups so we know who to hate and who to be afraid of.
 
2013-05-13 11:33:42 AM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


The Jersey Shore?
 
2013-05-13 11:33:44 AM  

OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


Not if you need to file a discrimination suit. There are protected classes of people but you have to qualify.
 
2013-05-13 11:33:58 AM  
The last time I checked, people of all races were eligible to vote in Amerika since 1872, and women were allowed to vote since 1920.

Since the Senseless is to enumerate for voting apportionment, I see no reason to advise my government of either my race or my sex.

I also see no reason to tell them how many toilets I have, what kind of sewer I use, how I heat my home, or anything else not directly connected with voter enumeration.

The more information they have, the more trouble they cause.
 
2013-05-13 11:34:33 AM  

OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


We're all sub-breeds of the same species. Much like all dogs are Canus canus, but not all dogs are the same breed, due to population segregation, geographic isolation, and adaptation to various environmental factors.
 
2013-05-13 11:34:38 AM  
 
2013-05-13 11:35:43 AM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


I think you fell pretty short of a laugh on that one.  Better luck next time.
 
2013-05-13 11:35:44 AM  
I'm fairly amused by the fact that, as a biracial woman, I'm more "pure blooded" than my euromutt husband. My lineage can be traced to African slaves brought to the Caribbean, and southern Italian tailors. Whereas my husband is mostly Italian and polish, with a smattering of German, Russian Jew, Scottish, English, and blah blah blah WHITE PEOPLE.

*shrugs* whatever, we're going to have gorgeous beige babies.
 
2013-05-13 11:36:08 AM  
This is bad news for people who have made careers categorizing and characterizing people based on the tone of their skin.
 
2013-05-13 11:36:11 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Lies. A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different. Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


They really aren't significantly different genetically, and humans are even more similar.

We should either stop referring to all humans as members of the human race, or stop calling different colored humans different races. The way it is now is just confusing to people. Alternately we could just stop using the word race altogether and stick to biological classification for such things.
 
2013-05-13 11:36:46 AM  

Copper Spork: You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.

And Border Collies are smarter than Dalmations.


Not if they're a corgi/border collie mix.
/Caught that damned dog trying to eat a pushpin last night.
 
2013-05-13 11:37:09 AM  
Once we all become a generic amalgam in the melting pot that is the US, we'll develop a different caste system to determine which segment of society is the best.  It's human nature.

Why can't we be like the Sneetches?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-13 11:37:19 AM  
 
MN8
2013-05-13 11:37:31 AM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


Your story touches us all.
 
2013-05-13 11:37:49 AM  
"genocide of the Caucasoid race"???


....count me in.
 
2013-05-13 11:38:38 AM  
Thinks this is a good thing:

www.jonathanrosenbaum.com
 
2013-05-13 11:39:09 AM  

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


Smooth and kissable?
 
2013-05-13 11:39:27 AM  
[_] HUMAN.

It is the only "Race" box that is acceptable.
 
2013-05-13 11:40:02 AM  
Good.

[ ] Human
[ ] Cyborg / Android (less than 51% human organic matter)
[ ] Mosanto Ultra-human™
[ ] Extra Terrestrial
 
2013-05-13 11:40:20 AM  
Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?


FLMountainMan: No. Not even Wewa still does that.

Silly_Sot Here in Tex-asshole, it's still done. Maybe not on any "official" forms, but that's the general attitude.

Aye, it's still the way over here, too. Ain't nobody going to say it aloud in front of some city fella with a bunch of coloreds in the woodpile what works for the government, though. That would be BIG trouble.
 
2013-05-13 11:40:29 AM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


+1
 
2013-05-13 11:40:32 AM  
This guy named Census sounds racist.
 
2013-05-13 11:40:49 AM  
Couldn't be confused from the census form I got:

1. Are you hispanic Y/N

/there is no number 2
 
2013-05-13 11:40:59 AM  
NO NOESSSS THE HORROR! -  Old white people everywhere.Racial politics is very arbitrary and ludicrous.

My great-aunt once got into a heap of trouble for daring to dance with Italian boy!! My Great-Grandmother was furious and sent her sons (Great-Aunt's siblings) down to the dance hall to drag her back home. The added irony is that Great-Grandma was hardcore Irish Catholic with 11 kids.

Irish, Italian, and Jewish people were not considered "white" at the turn of the century.

My Dad told me that when he was working as a bank teller in the 60's and 70's Italians where "discouraged" from working in the industry, unless they changed their names to something WASP-like. For some reason my IRISH Dad thought this wasn't a big deal, until I mentioned "No Irish Need Apply", he shut up after that.

/Glad we are moving away from this ridiculous shiat
 
2013-05-13 11:41:09 AM  

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


www.brazil-carnival.info

So am I.
 
2013-05-13 11:41:15 AM  

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


dang! an Asian man married to an Aryan woman! Not only did you get yaself a white wimin you got yaself a racist white wimin!
 
2013-05-13 11:41:17 AM  

devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.


I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.
 
2013-05-13 11:41:39 AM  

varmitydog: Oriental= colored


A lot of North-eastern Asians are way paler than most "white" people. It's funny.

/My skin color is kind of an olive gray, but that's because I get no sunlight exposure at all.
 
2013-05-13 11:42:37 AM  

Notabunny: This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.


I think people want skin color to identify culture, not race, which is really the problem. Like introverts and extroverts, people want things a certain way and it's the culture clash: music, dress, customs, laws, religions, that really separate us as humans. Culture has that "can't judge a book by its cover" issue, but skin color let's us give it our best go, which is like jumping 3 feet in the long jump.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:14 AM  
For the first time in modern history, the 2000 Census allowed us to check off more than one box for race...

Good morning, subby - welcome to 2013.   I trust you slept well.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:22 AM  

OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?


Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.

As an analogy someone else used though, all dogs from a chihuahua to a pit bull to a great Dane are from the same species 'Canis lupus familiaris'. We describe the physical differences between them using the word 'breed'.

Race was probably intended to have a similar descriptive purpose for humans, but politics have made it effectively useless, so there is no politically-acceptable way to describe the differing appearances and characteristics of groups of humans.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:44 AM  
I always check human or African descent, because after all, aren't we all.
 
2013-05-13 11:45:30 AM  
The Framers of the ConstitutionTM never intended us to acknowledge our colored offspring.
 
2013-05-13 11:45:45 AM  
Why not just make multiracial a choice?
 
2013-05-13 11:45:56 AM  

Bravo Two: OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?

We're all sub-breeds of the same species. Much like all dogs are Canus canus, but not all dogs are the same breed, due to population segregation, geographic isolation, and adaptation to various environmental factors.


I think all dogs are now Canis Lupus.these days. And the breed analogy fails: we don't different kinds of humans for specific tasks. Race has always been a silly concept (Black, Quadroon, Octaroon) and should go away, except where it involves legal procedures and Federal benefits.(which is also a silly concept: Gender is a race?)
 
2013-05-13 11:46:05 AM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


Into two folder:

1. Anal
2. Not Anal
 
2013-05-13 11:46:30 AM  

SevenizGud: Couldn't be confused from the census form I got:

1. Are you hispanic Y/N

/there is no number 2


Hispanic is #1. Now it's official.
 
2013-05-13 11:46:43 AM  
Nobody farkin' cares.

Your background may be interesting to you, but there is no measure to the amount of farks I don't give when people start in with "well I'm 1/4 Cherokee, but my granpa was from Ireland, he hooked up with this Cajun broad" and on and on and on and I just want to drink my beer in peace and watch the game.
 
2013-05-13 11:47:02 AM  

jshine: OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?

Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.

As an analogy someone else used though, all dogs from a chihuahua to a pit bull to a great Dane are from the same species 'Canis lupus familiaris'. We describe the physical differences between them using the word 'breed'.

Race was probably intended to have a similar descriptive purpose for humans, but politics have made it effectively useless, so there is no politically-acceptable way to describe the differing appearances and characteristics of groups of humans.


Thank you and I agree it is a useless description for humans and only allows for discrimination and bias.
 
2013-05-13 11:47:05 AM  
My grandma tells people she's mixed race - half Sweedish, half Norweigian.
 
2013-05-13 11:47:50 AM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-13 11:48:08 AM  
I don't think it has anything to do with the need to classify people into a neat box for race. It has more to do with gathering useful demographic data about the people who do identify with a race or races. The issues affecting the African American community are not exactly the same issues affecting the white community, and so on. Having good census data is critical for certain types of research concerning populations and large groups of people.
 
2013-05-13 11:48:35 AM  

jshine: So just make up a new catch-all for mixed ethnicity - like Caucasian already represents mixed European ancestry. My ancestors are from all over Europe (not including the Caucuses however).


Same here.

My mom's side is German and Irish and my Dad's side is Polish and Slovakian.

My Polish and German ancestors probably wouldn't get along together.

And it's essentially why I don't give a shiat about "the fate of the white race". It's already meaningless in my family.
 
2013-05-13 11:48:49 AM  
North American Mutt.
 
2013-05-13 11:50:02 AM  

dazed420: The sooner we get ouf of this race issue the better and accept the fact that we are all humans and that we just have different physical traits which helps to add to diversity.


But suggesting we also just have different behavioral traits is still racist, right?

After all, the skin color is different, but underneath everyone is identical, amirite?
 
2013-05-13 11:50:03 AM  

dv-ous: YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?

The Jersey Shore?


I was thinking Kardashians but sure, that works too, as long as it's a different Somali. Would suck if Kanye got east coast herpes along with all that west coast variant.
 
2013-05-13 11:50:35 AM  

Gonz: devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.

I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.



Basically human beings enjoy rape.
 
2013-05-13 11:50:47 AM  
I want Caucasian to be broken up into other ethnicities so I can distinguish myself from the southern 'Merkin rubes.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:07 AM  

Prince George: PapaChester: Suck it Repubs.

/you are not a real modern day Repub unless you support conceptual purity.

Awww... That's so cute. Little Billy is learning to troll.  Keep at it and some day you'll be as good as the average Farker.


The sad thing is that I almost bit. I'm pretty sure the fine gradations of ethnic background were not come up with by republicans but rather folks who wanted to precisely define who gets how much aid dollars, based on varying degrees of disadvantage.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:53 AM  
I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?
 
2013-05-13 11:52:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: OH NOES!!!!  How can we play identity politics then?


DING DING DING....

We have a winner! Rod, tell him what he has won!
 
2013-05-13 11:52:51 AM  

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


It actually happens with a lot of families.

I grew up with a friend who was half Puerto Rican and half Irish.

Her Dad (The PR) REFUSED to teach his children Spanish, name his kids Spanish names, and discuss a lot of PR culture with his kids. He also got angry whenever they selected "mixed" or "Hispanic" on any forms because "they are white".

I think it's an irrational cultural fear of being labeled anything that isn't "white" would hurt you. Considering that WASPs have been in a position of power for the past 2 centuries, it's deeply ingrained in people.

A coal-black Dominican co-worker of my Mother insists he's "white" because he's from the upper-classes of Dominican society.

A Dominican friend of my Husband's family was very careful about sun exposure because he "Didn't want to be dark like a Haitian".

/I think it's a shame that people have hidden a lot of their cultural/racial heritage for fear of discriminated against.
//All men are created equal
 
2013-05-13 11:53:10 AM  
My wife is 1/8 Russian and 7/8 Chinese. Her G. grandpa was a refugee from the czar who settled in Canton. I'm Dutch, German, English and maybe 1/8 black. Grandma was from S. Africa and had really wavy hair. Nobody talked about it except for my mom. Our son is marrying the whitest woman I've ever seen. A blond Finn.

No, I don't have a point. But when this crap started appearing on forms in the 70's, I always checked "Other" and wrote in human.
 
2013-05-13 11:53:15 AM  
I FWB'd a multi-racial guy for a little while about 8 years ago or so. One of the stupidest things that ever came out of his mouth was, "I don't like being mulatto. At least you know who you're supposed to hate, you're white. I can't hate black people and I can't hate white people. Who am I supposed to hate?" I told him he should try just not hating anyone over skin color and to get out of my car.

I wish I knew where that guy was now though. He really loved and wanted my car, kept offering to buy it. Now I want to get rid of the thing and I don't even remember his last name.
 
2013-05-13 11:55:26 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Basically human beings enjoy rape


This is why in some groups, such as the Jews, ethnic identity stems from the mother.
 
2013-05-13 11:57:45 AM  
Spiffy tag? How is this spiffy?
Think of the census workers!!!!!
/mixed euro
 
2013-05-13 11:58:04 AM  

OminousAnonymous: jshine: OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?

Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.

As an analogy someone else used though, all dogs from a chihuahua to a pit bull to a great Dane are from the same species 'Canis lupus familiaris'. We describe the physical differences between them using the word 'breed'.

Race was probably intended to have a similar descriptive purpose for humans, but politics have made it effectively useless, so there is no politically-acceptable way to describe the differing appearances and characteristics of groups of humans.

Thank you and I agree it is a useless description for humans and only allows for discrimination and bias.


It would be useful to have an alternate word to intelligently discuss physical differences though, since they do exist. We already have words like 'culture' to discuss sociological differences between groups.

I'm fine with retiring 'race' to the treadmill of political acceptability, but there is a hole in the language then... Assuming there are no physical differences between geographically separated populations of humans is clearly false.
 
2013-05-13 11:58:53 AM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


As you go out into the wide world to discover your special purpose, remember these things: the Lord loves a workin' man. Don't never ever trust Whitey. And see a doctor and get rid of it.
 
2013-05-13 11:59:45 AM  
I blame Crayola for changing the name of its "flesh" colored crayon to "peach" in 1962 and "Indian red" to "chestnut" in 1999.
 
2013-05-13 12:00:12 PM  
I'm Cablinasian, but everyone thinks I'm just black.  Man, was it tough when my dad made me practice golf all the time.  I just wanted to play baseball or basketball with all my friends.


/Not really--all white via German, Czech, and British ancestors.
//My kids are 0.0078125% Cherokee, though.
///I'm doing my best to integrate--I had sex with a 1.56% Native American!
 
2013-05-13 12:00:45 PM  
I checked other and wrote in human. Those who checked more than one are showing their lack of intelligence since it clearly state that you should only check one.
 
2013-05-13 12:01:49 PM  
Moar asians for everyone! !!

/ except asian men
 
2013-05-13 12:03:12 PM  
We were warned by the Nazis AND by the Klu Klux Klan that this would happen.
Why doesn't anyone listen to the Nazis and the Klu Klux Klan?!
 
2013-05-13 12:03:45 PM  
I've just started filling in "Other" and writing in "Human" any time I have to fill out a form where they ask what  "Race" they are.  I mean they are Norwegian, German, native east coastal Mexico (Olmec?), Spanish, and maybe some African(?)   Just about the only thing I can say for sure is that they are definitely not Kzin.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:31 PM  
Race is a stupid concept that should, but won't go away anytime soon.

I mean, really just the NorthAm years of my family I am of Central African, Western European, and Aboriginal North American.  Checkboxes are stupid.
 
2013-05-13 12:05:18 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: I blame Crayola for changing the name of its "flesh" colored crayon to "peach" in 1962 and "Indian red" to "chestnut" in 1999.


Prussian Blue forever!
 
2013-05-13 12:06:40 PM  

tortilla burger: I don't think it has anything to do with the need to classify people into a neat box for race. It has more to do with gathering useful demographic data about the people who do identify with a race or races.


Demographics? Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, sonny. Young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I black or non-black hispanic? ... There's not a day goes by I don't feel confused about my ethnicity. Not because I'm in here. Because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then. A young, stupid black kid who filled in those terrible race boxes. I wanna talk to him. I wanna try to talk some sense to him. Tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old multiracial man's all that's left. I gotta live with that. Demographics? That's just a bullshiat word. So you go on and stamp your census form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because, to tell you the truth, I don't give a shiat.
 
2013-05-13 12:09:24 PM  
O_o
 
2013-05-13 12:09:40 PM  

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


Except that in many cases it is not meaningless. Take medical forms, for example. Different races have different susceptibilities to different ailments and may require different treatments. It's not racism, it's a fact of genetics. I can see where it can be meaningless for some things, but that doesn't make it meaningless for everything.
 
2013-05-13 12:10:08 PM  
jfarkinB: Guess I'm part of the problem. My ancestry is 95+% German/Prussian, and I went and married someone who's half Czech. Next thing you know, one of my kids will marry someone Irish, and my ancestral army will rise from their graves in rage.

Leastwise you get to tell everyone that you are a Czech's mate.
 
2013-05-13 12:10:09 PM  

clipperbox


Demographics? Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. ...


*golf clap*
 
2013-05-13 12:11:13 PM  

netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?


I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.
 
2013-05-13 12:15:16 PM  

mod3072: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

Except that in many cases it is not meaningless. Take medical forms, for example. Different races People with certain inheritable genetic markers have different susceptibilities to different ailments and may require different treatments. It's not racism, it's a fact of genetics. I can see where it can be meaningless for some things, but that doesn't make it meaningless for everything.



Race is old, outdated, shorthand.
 
2013-05-13 12:15:26 PM  

MagSeven: netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?

I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.


They've allowed Catholics into their ranks soooooooo

/I want to punch every single one of them in the face
 
2013-05-13 12:16:02 PM  

MonoChango: I've just started filling in "Other" and writing in "Human" any time I have to fill out a form where they ask what  "Race" they are.  I mean they are Norwegian, German, native east coastal Mexico (Olmec?), Spanish, and maybe some African(?)   Just about the only thing I can say for sure is that they are definitely not Kzin.


I've been checking boxes randomly, but I'm going to start doing that.

It does have some bearing on medical forms, but for a government census? Nah, fark off.
 
2013-05-13 12:19:31 PM  
I'm white and my girlfriend/future fiancé is Indian, so I've actually wondered how any kids we'd have would answer that question.

/My parents married outside of their religion so I'd just be taking things to the next level
//Mom's background is Italian Catholic, Dad's is Eastern European Jewish
 
2013-05-13 12:19:42 PM  
Genetic Isolationism Awareness Day!
 
2013-05-13 12:24:30 PM  
Good.
 
2013-05-13 12:25:52 PM  
something - something about the cinnamon people

25.media.tumblr.com

/challenging for some
 
2013-05-13 12:26:11 PM  
Check "other" when they have that option, and write in "human". That's what I do.
 
2013-05-13 12:28:06 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Check "other" when they have that option, and write in "human". That's what I do.


That's what the Beastie Boys suggested years ago.
 
2013-05-13 12:28:49 PM  
I don't have the time to read all the posts that went before but, why don't they just come up with a category named "American Hybrid"?
 
2013-05-13 12:29:37 PM  

BafflerMeal: mod3072: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

Except that in many cases it is not meaningless. Take medical forms, for example. Different races People with certain inheritable genetic markers have different susceptibilities to different ailments and may require different treatments. It's not racism, it's a fact of genetics. I can see where it can be meaningless for some things, but that doesn't make it meaningless for everything.


Race is old, outdated, shorthand.


Should be outdated, but unfortunately isn't yet. Racial characteristics other than genetics tend to be predictive in socioeconomic analyses - for example, identical resumes with names associated with certain cultures have a lower tendency to get interviews or jobs.
 
2013-05-13 12:33:36 PM  
Came for a reference to Public Enemy's Fear of a Black Planet.

/Leaving disappointed
 
2013-05-13 12:33:59 PM  

lymond01: Notabunny: This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.

I think people want skin color to identify culture, not race, which is really the problem.


That sounds about right.  Associating skin color, hair color, eye shape, etc. with cultural norms might help someone know what to do when meeting an unknown person from an unknown background--at least until you meet a guy who looks Japanese but barely speaks the language while his tall blonde girlfriend speaks Japanese as well as a native.

As usual, the truth resists simplicity.
 
2013-05-13 12:34:32 PM  

jennies1897: I FWB'd a multi-racial guy for a little while about 8 years ago or so. One of the stupidest things that ever came out of his mouth was, "I don't like being mulatto. At least you know who you're supposed to hate, you're white. I can't hate black people and I can't hate white people. Who am I supposed to hate?" I told him he should try just not hating anyone over skin color and to get out of my car.

I wish I knew where that guy was now though. He really loved and wanted my car, kept offering to buy it. Now I want to get rid of the thing and I don't even remember his last name.


I'll guess "Washington"
 
2013-05-13 12:36:43 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: They really aren't significantly different genetically, and humans are even more similar.


How do you define "significantly different" for purposes of genetics?
 
2013-05-13 12:38:29 PM  
Another constant "Other" checker here. I really think we should all choose Other whenever possible, for the lulz if nothing else.

"Human" is a fine blank-filler, but my current favorites are "North Sea Islander" if I'm feeling specific and "Eurasian aborigine" when I feel like being confusing.

In a pinch, I'll accept "white" if we're doing the color-spectrum thing, but I absolutely abhor "Caucasian." Your Biblical pseudo-science ends where my genes begin, thanks.
 
2013-05-13 12:41:09 PM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


For some reason I have you highlighted as "best gravy". I guess i could change it to "token black guy" now.
 
2013-05-13 12:41:46 PM  

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.
 
2013-05-13 12:43:08 PM  

ha-ha-guy: My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:


One of three things.  I no good at teh counting.

/that is why I married an Asian, get those math skills back in the family lineage
 
2013-05-13 12:43:10 PM  

This text is now purple: J. Frank Parnell: They really aren't significantly different genetically, and humans are even more similar.

How do you define "significantly different" for purposes of genetics?


You can figure out which alleles you're interested in, then count the frequency of certain alleles in one race or breed and compare them to another race or breed.  This has been done, but the problem is that the alleles that should really matter (e.g. sickle-cell anemia) may frequently occur along with more easily observable characteristics (e.g. skin color), but rarely is the match reliable enough to be useful.

Beyond that, it gets really messy.  For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.
 
Oak
2013-05-13 12:43:24 PM  
Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.
 
2013-05-13 12:44:02 PM  

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


Probably a lot more like Filipino since there are so many Asians. I'm married to a Filipino and so I notice whenever someone has a mixed Asian/white baby. They all more or less look Filipino. Even Asian/black mixes. Native Filipinos are basically Malay (Asian) but a huge chunk of the population has been screwing the European Spanish so long that most look like mutts as a nationality.
 
2013-05-13 12:44:26 PM  

clipperbox: Demographics? Well, now, let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means ... I know what you think it means, sonny. To me, it's just a made-up word. A politician's word, sonny. Young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I black or non-black hispanic? ... There's not a day goes by I don't feel confused about my ethnicity. Not because I'm in here. Because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then. A young, stupid black kid who filled in those terrible race boxes. I wanna talk to him. I wanna try to talk some sense to him. Tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old multiracial man's all that's left. I gotta live with that. Demographics? That's just a bullshiat word. So you go on and stamp your census form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because, to tell you the truth, I don't give a shiat.


I heard this entire thing in my head in Morgan Freeman's voice.
 
2013-05-13 12:45:37 PM  

Oak: Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.


So Alchemy doesn't work?
 
2013-05-13 12:46:37 PM  

deanis: spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.

For some reason I have you highlighted as "best gravy". I guess i could change it to "token black guy" now.


He's a Pocket Ninja wannabe.  In another thread, he claimed to be a Branch Davidian survivor.
 
2013-05-13 12:47:15 PM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


That is by far the best description of Kim & Kanye I have ever read.
 
2013-05-13 12:47:30 PM  

Meh, they'll still find a way to alienate somebody for being different.


i26.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-13 12:47:39 PM  

anfrind: Beyond that, it gets really messy. For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.


I thought the whole speciation argument between dogs and wolves was a political creation not supported by genetics?

I'm reminded of just how far outside the species one can get when hybridizing plants. The citrus family is almost entirely true-breeding hybrids.
 
2013-05-13 12:48:03 PM  
fine with me, i've always wanted to date a woman from another race
 
2013-05-13 12:48:35 PM  

netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?


Reminds me of this scene:

Nina Blackburn: For instance, with the song "Kill Whitey."
Ice Cold: That shiat was a whole big misunderstanding. They took the whole thing out of context.
Tone Deaf: They were trying to say we were advocating killing white people and shiat.
Tasty Taste: Yeah! Do I look like the type of nubian that could kill a whole buncha white mutha farkas? I mean, you know, given a reason, but not on a humbug.
Nina Blackburn: Well, in the song lyrics I'm quoting: "He'll rip you off. He'll take your money, make you work for free. Though you may scoff. It isn't funny. He's the devil, see. Kill Whitey."
Ice Cold: Right. Now how can you listen to that and think we're talking about killing all white people?
Tone Deaf: Fact. We were talking about one specific whitey. Whitey Deluca our ex-manager.
Tasty Taste: He ripped us off for 70 g's.
Ice Cold: That's right. And Whitey Deluca wasn't even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complexion MFs you know.
 
2013-05-13 12:50:29 PM  

James!: I'm okay with this.


Yup. Nothing but forward progress to see here, move along citizens.

/only one race: Human.
//deal with it
 
2013-05-13 12:51:47 PM  

Fano: FreakinB: I'm white and my girlfriend/future fiancé is Indian, so I've actually wondered how any kids we'd have would answer that question.

/My parents married outside of their religion so I'd just be taking things to the next level
//Mom's background is Italian Catholic, Dad's is Eastern European Jewish

In the same boat, perhaps we should ask makemorehinjews his opinion.


Heh. To complicate matters, my Dad isn't (and therefore I'm not) too close with his side of the family, but obviously it's the paternal side. So said hypothetical kids would be more likely to identify with Indian and Italian heritage, but have my stereotypical Jewish last name.

/America
 
2013-05-13 12:52:15 PM  

Oak: Applying a taxonomy of five "races" to humanity is as obsolete as applying a taxonomy of four "elements" to substances.

It's just that we learned the former fact a lot more recently than the latter.

But it's not like the social concept is going away any time soon: after all, you know what I mean by "the four elements," even though you know the underlying concept was made scientifically obsolete in the mid- to late 1600s.


Precisely. I believe it was thanks to the tireless pioneering research of Dr. Cpt. Planet et. al that we finally discoverd the 5th and final element of Heart in 1668 (due to the grant under King Charles II being temporarily restricted during the Second Anglo-Dutch War) if memory serves.
 
2013-05-13 12:52:32 PM  

ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.


So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.
 
2013-05-13 12:54:28 PM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.  All of my grandparents are white, my parents are white, and my skin is white.  But I always felt like something was off, like I wasn't what I appeared to be.  I started feeling this way really young, too.  I was at my middle school's homecoming dance and they invited the high school drum line to perform.  I don't know exactly what it was, but something deep inside of me awoke as I listened to the pounding rhythms.  I began to dance, throwing my arms back and my chest out, kicking my legs high.  Soon I was lost in a daze, spinning, spinning, wild.  When the drums stopped, everyone was staring at me.  I ran out of the auditorium and hid.

From that day forward, I didn't feel at home in my own skin.  I started doing "black" things, like buying $450 dollar sun glasses with the money my mom gave me for my car insurance.  I made the school bus driver stop and let me off at random places along the route.  I even started being excruciatingly nice to white people until they left the room.  Just last month, I got a job, worked for a week to get a paycheck, and then quit.

It's terrible.  I feel like the world's biggest racist.  I don't even know if these are the kinds of things that black people do.  My parents never let me have any black friends, so I have to go off my best guesses and what my uncle told me about them.  As for real black people, I just seem to piss them off.

It's sad because when someone says, "I knew I was gay in the first grade," people believe them.  But when I tell people that I've always been black, they laugh in my face.  I wish I could move to a place where hip-hop replaced hypocrisy and all people lived under one love.


Lord loves a workin' man, don't trust Whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
 
2013-05-13 12:54:52 PM  

megarian: YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?

A stroke?


I thought Snooki was Italian, not Kurdish.
 
2013-05-13 12:56:43 PM  
Jeopardy
The answer is: A multiracial birth.

The question: What's black and white and red all over?
 
2013-05-13 12:56:45 PM  

shortymac: My Dad told me that when he was working as a bank teller in the 60's and 70's Italians where "discouraged" from working in the industry, unless they changed their names to something WASP-like. For some reason my IRISH Dad thought this wasn't a big deal, until I mentioned "No Irish Need Apply", he shut up after that.


My Dad is off the boat, and my mother is fluent in Italian (both are Northern Italian) but it was rarely if ever used in my household. The whole goal of my parents/grandparents was to raise me as "white" as could be. Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

I thought they were being ridiculous growing up that I was anything but "Italian as white" but I recently applied to take some night classes at CUNY Hunter in NYC. Under "race", it listed the regulars: Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, etc. Then as a total separate box, there it was: "Italian". I couldn't believe my eyes - it must be a holdover from the 1950s or something.

/checked the box :-)
 
2013-05-13 12:56:58 PM  
{horrible racist troll attempt}
 
2013-05-13 12:58:02 PM  

Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


One of my kids is pale with dark blonde hair and blue eyes.  My other kid is tan with black hair and brown eyes.  Multiracial mating is fun! You never know what you are going to get.
 
2013-05-13 12:58:39 PM  
whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.
 
2013-05-13 01:00:48 PM  
No one yet? Really?
mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-05-13 01:02:38 PM  

pkellmey: I always check human or African descent, because after all, aren't we all.


I do that or "Native American" - I was born here, after all.

My wife checks "other" and then writes in "Dutch, Irish, English, French, maybe some German I don't know."
 
2013-05-13 01:02:48 PM  

Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.


Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.
 
2013-05-13 01:03:18 PM  

This text is now purple: anfrind: Beyond that, it gets really messy. For example, polar bears and grizzly bears are two related but distinct species (far more different than dogs and wolves), and yet not only than they interbreed, but their hybrid offspring can also interbreed.

I thought the whole speciation argument between dogs and wolves was a political creation not supported by genetics?

I'm reminded of just how far outside the species one can get when hybridizing plants. The citrus family is almost entirely true-breeding hybrids.


As I said, genetics is messy.  Dogs and wolves are considered to be two different species, but they're closely enough related that in most cases it's trivial for them to interbreed, so one might argue that they should be considered the same species and not be completely wrong.

One good example of how messy generics can get (that I alluded to earlier) is the grolar bear.
 
2013-05-13 01:04:49 PM  
German, Polish, Norwegian.

I don't see the point to the "race" boxes any more, they're just fanning the flames and serve no other purpose.
 
2013-05-13 01:05:14 PM  

legion_of_doo: whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.


My Filipino husband checked off "Asian" instead of Pacific Islander when applying for colleges. According to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, he's Pacific Islander and therefore he could have put that. If admissions had a problem with it, I'd tell them to take it up with one of the most renowned museums in the world :-)
 
2013-05-13 01:06:39 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: They really aren't significantly different genetically


And yet they are significantly different.
 
2013-05-13 01:08:48 PM  
Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?
 
2013-05-13 01:08:49 PM  
I always check the Hispanic box since one of my distant relatives was Spanish, according to my deceased grandfather.
 
2013-05-13 01:08:53 PM  
I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.
 
2013-05-13 01:09:41 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.


My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!
 
2013-05-13 01:09:58 PM  

abhorrent1: Why not just make multiracial a choice?


Because it's not a choice! People are born that way!
 
2013-05-13 01:10:50 PM  

anfrind: lymond01: Notabunny: This has always confused me. By 'race' we mean skin color, right? Why not just say "skin color"? I self-identify as Light Peach.

I think people want skin color to identify culture, not race, which is really the problem.

That sounds about right.  Associating skin color, hair color, eye shape, etc. with cultural norms might help someone know what to do when meeting an unknown person from an unknown background--at least until you meet a guy who looks Japanese but barely speaks the language while his tall blonde girlfriend speaks Japanese as well as a native.

As usual, the truth resists simplicity.


Yeah my blond cousins were raised in Africa and speak Swahili etc etc.  They are more "African American" than many of the people I know with obvious African characteristics.
 
2013-05-13 01:11:23 PM  
The united states is a huge melting pot.  Maybe we should just say we are Americans, and only "check boxes" for out racial history

Oh wait, the Mexicans also call themselves Americans since they have no national pride, dammit
 
2013-05-13 01:12:10 PM  
There are cons.  Ethnic groups wield a lot of political power. Not a politician around that won't get on his knees to please the Hispanic/Asian/Black/Jewish voting block, but if a person is 1/4 HIspanic, 1/4 Asian, 1.4 Black and 1/4 Jewish, he is a mutt that no one cares about.
 
2013-05-13 01:13:21 PM  

jfarkinB: Guess I'm part of the problem. My ancestry is 95+% German/Prussian, and I went and married someone who's half Czech. Next thing you know, one of my kids will marry someone Irish, and my ancestral army will rise from their graves in rage.


Hey!  I'm half Czech, half Irish.  I don't know if I should be offended, or go and get a drink.  Everybody came over here when your people started Blitzkrieggin all over the joint.
 
2013-05-13 01:15:17 PM  

ModernLuddite: I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.


CSB:

When I went to registered and have a medical history done before having Lil Bee, the nurse asked me "Do you consider yourself Caucasian?" Um, yeah. Not sure what else I'd consider myself. I suppose I could have broken it down to Cherokee, Scot, German, Irish, Italian, African (wayyyyyy back), and probably a few other things that I don't know about. I think I look like a well-tanned white girl. My step-sister thinks I look biracial black/white. The grounds workers at Keeneland apparently think I'm Hispanic, because they all come up and speak to me in Spanish.
 
2013-05-13 01:15:59 PM  
Great. You can get rid of racial profiling as soon as the cops can no longer be sure whether they're beating up a guy who fits their profile or a white guy.
 
2013-05-13 01:16:38 PM  
Are invisible minorities still invisible?
 
2013-05-13 01:16:40 PM  

FreakinB: My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!


My theory is that Italy was the first large corporation.  When it is centralized (unified) there is a massive push to decentralize and become more agile (Papal States, Kind of Two Sicilies, Venetian Republic, etc).  When decentralized there is a massive push to centralize.

When you get right down to it though, Italy is only unified because of common Roman history and the fact there are some useful geographic advantages to not being a bunch of small shiatty states.  They've spent more time broken up since the fall of the Roman Empire than together.
 
2013-05-13 01:16:52 PM  

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


Next time, just mark Asian.  If she gets angry, just squint back at her.
 
2013-05-13 01:17:09 PM  
It's all a big melting pot

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

What would happen if Egyptians, Libyans, Moroccans and the like in America called themselves Afro American? That would be a game changer, wouldn't it?

///I like Charlize Theron, as a white South African who moved to America she is a GREAT Afro-American lady!
 
2013-05-13 01:18:43 PM  

Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY



Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.
 
2013-05-13 01:19:25 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: It's all a big melting pot

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHT_V294Co

What would happen if Egyptians, Libyans, Moroccans and the like in America called themselves Afro American? That would be a game changer, wouldn't it?

///I like Charlize Theron, as a white South African who moved to America she is a GREAT Afro-American lady!


'Cause white South Africans have never made a big deal about keeping themselves apart from black South Africans. . .
 
2013-05-13 01:19:55 PM  
So it really took this long to realize, huh?
 
2013-05-13 01:19:59 PM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


It will all be inter-racial?
 
2013-05-13 01:20:01 PM  
So when everyone looks Brazilian will we be as diverse as possible?
 
2013-05-13 01:21:23 PM  
By 2045 more than one half of Americans will not be white, or male, or Christian, or straight, or married.

In other words, Republicans will be the invisible majority as well as the silent majority. And the totally made up majority, the pseudo-majority and the crypto-majority. And the tasteless, odorless and senseless majority. And the non-majority who gets more electoral college votes than all the other majorities combined.

God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.
 
2013-05-13 01:22:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?


How about if the question were:
People most often discriminate against me because I look...
?
 
2013-05-13 01:23:21 PM  
I put "Other" and then write in:
"Western European Islander"
/American of English descent, came over in 1620.
 
2013-05-13 01:24:37 PM  

varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?


How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?
 
2013-05-13 01:24:59 PM  

QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.   Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.


You missed a Mitch McConnell reference.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-13 01:25:03 PM  

QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.


Old coal mines, not caves.  the mines have more reliable headroom.
And is it any coincidence that the county seat is named "Whitesburg"?
 
2013-05-13 01:27:08 PM  

brantgoose: God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.


No real fear of that, when Texas becomes a swing state, before 2045 from the looks of it, that will break the Republican congressional hold.

The only real area of concern is the Republicans managing to get over their racism and creating a block of value voters out of first generation immigrants from Christian countries and the religious white folk.  Even so that's not a huge threat because within a generate or two the descendants of the immigrants assimilate and move more to the social norm.
 
2013-05-13 01:29:08 PM  

give me doughnuts: QueenMamaBee: ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.

So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.

Old coal mines, not caves.  the mines have more reliable headroom.
And is it any coincidence that the county seat is named "Whitesburg"?


Which is right next to Blackie.
 
2013-05-13 01:30:22 PM  

JoeyJoJo: Oh noes, when Adam Carolla finds out about this, he's going to have yet ANOTHER rant about "that person where you just can't tell what they are".


bakanekonoyuutsu.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-13 01:30:41 PM  

boarch: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?

How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?



North Florida and the Panhandle? Total cracker-country.
It's Alabama all the over to St. Augustine.
 
2013-05-13 01:31:18 PM  

Prey4reign: I don't have the time to read all the posts that went before but, why don't they just come up with a category named "American Hybrid"?


I like 'Mutt' better.  Not so pretentious.
 
2013-05-13 01:40:42 PM  
Seems like it should be less confusing with a lot of them than it would be if it were rare.
 
2013-05-13 01:47:49 PM  

give me doughnuts: boarch: varmitydog: Of course, down here in Redneckistan, they are all colored.

Black= colored
Oriental= colored
Hispanic= colored
Arab= colored
Any child of any of these= colored

See how simple life can be?

How is Florida part of Redneckistan? Are you from the 40's? Who actually still says colored?


North Florida and the Panhandle? Total cracker-country.
It's Alabama all the over to St. Augustine.


You sound racist.
 
2013-05-13 01:48:33 PM  

ha-ha-guy: clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.

My theory is, in about 10 generations, white Americans will mean one of two things:

1.  Fresh off the boat from Europe
2.  Some kind of weird trailer trash from a dirt poor area with latent Aryan Nation-esque feelings.
3.  Some really farked up New England blue bloods who are interbreeding like 18th century European nobility and producing turtle boy/things with webbed hands.

It's odd to think how right now white is the best skin color you could have in terms of social status, but soon enough all the Euro-Asian mixes will be biatching about whitey coming up from his ghetto to steal their stuff.  All the successful white folk from the middle and upper class will have likely chalked up at least one interracial marriage by that time.


I highly doubt that, mutt dogs and cats come in all sorts of colorings, sizes, and facial features.
 
2013-05-13 01:51:46 PM  
Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.
 
2013-05-13 01:54:38 PM  

doubled99: That's racist.


That's a very racist thing to say.
 
2013-05-13 01:56:11 PM  

Gonz: devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.

I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.


I always wondered, why do peoole care so much about their ancestry? Once you name 4 which are "primary" cultural backgrounds, then that would lead me to assume that the only person thinking she is actually German and English and Russian and Polish would be the person self. I doubt she has the mannerisms of even half the cultures she decended from, and that those that she does have, have been filtered through the mannerisms of her parents, the culture where the various contributors to her genetic make-up grew up, the people at school and the culture of nation where she grew up.

After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.
 
2013-05-13 01:58:04 PM  

R.A.Danny: Then why even ask anymore? Why have race as part of anything anymore?

Because some politicians like to classify people by race, so that they can make decisions based on stereotypical common biases... ironically they think this makes them not racist.

brantgoose: God help America if they're still running it by then. I'm just saying.

If you don't want your political enemy to be in charge of something that is important to you, then why give that power to a political operative that can change after the next election.   I mean, why give power to Obama when next election someone worse than Bush could be (and probably will be) elected?   Imagine Sara Palin in charge of your health care... D'oh!
 
2013-05-13 01:59:49 PM  

ChipNASA: I put "Other" and then write in:
"Western European Islander"
/American of English descent, came over in 1620.


That's one in-bred family tree if you can't trace your ancestry back to some other countries as well.

- Both sides of my family can trace their ancestry back to the Mayflower (mother is in the Mayflower society)
- Still have plenty of French, German, and Polish immigrants in my tree as well.  Probably lots of others as well, but I'm only familiar with the primary lines from my grandparents.
 
2013-05-13 02:00:27 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:02:49 PM  

ModernLuddite: I have been considered Latino, Native, white, and even black on occassion.

I'm a standard mutt breed North American - Irish, Choctaw, French, a pinch of Bulgarian, and God only knows what else - and I apparently I look like every racial group depending upon the light conditions.

Meanwhile, my wife is pure blooded Polish and random people on the street identify her as Polish and speak to her in Polish. It's weird to me.


Yeah it is.

My Ethiopian co-worker does that to other Ethiopians that she doesn't know. She also points out every single time she shows me her pictures of Ethiopia that "That is their real hair!".
 
2013-05-13 02:03:49 PM  
As an exchange student to Germany, I was asked what the polite term in American English one would use to refer to someone's race.

I answered: There really isn't one.

I think by the time my children's children are running things, people will simply "be". Your nation of origin, your race, your ethnic group will be right up there with your home town and what high school you went to. Interesting, but not life defining.
 
2013-05-13 02:08:40 PM  

DerAppie: After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.


THIS
I was stuck on a plane with a racist old lady.  I was board and was chatting with her anyway trying to see if I could at least get her to see that people other than what she grew up with, are still humans.  Anyway she was worried that "white America was going to become extinct."  I told her.  "Don't worry about it.  In the future people may change their skin color like we change our hair color.  My kids are far darker than me but they are all suburban computer geeks, because I raised them.  It's all about culture not genetics."
 
2013-05-13 02:08:52 PM  

You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


Sheesh. "Races" are pseudo-scientific constructs that consist of family resemblance, nothing more. The median difference between members of a "race" is larger than the median difference between "races," with the exception of a few superficial bits of outward appearance such as tightly curled hair or epicanthic folds. No one has ever made a scientific description that describes a "race" biologically.

Dog breeds are something entirely different, created by intensive selected breeding. Put a group of "purebred" dogs together, and eventually they'll breed back to something that resembles a coyote.

Read up on the history of race; it's fascinating, and dates back only to the 18th century or so. We seem to have pared down the number of races that people believe in today to less than a half-dozen. People once thought that Germans and the Dutch were two separate and distinct races, and some 19th-century pseudo-scientists had people divided into more than 100 "races." Most of Hitler's racial theories were concerned with categorizing white Europeans into distinct races, while lumping Bantu, Berber and pygmy into a single "Negro" race.
 
2013-05-13 02:09:03 PM  

BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.


Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.
 
2013-05-13 02:12:21 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: As an exchange student to Germany, I was asked what the polite term in American English one would use to refer to someone's race.

I answered: There really isn't one.

I think by the time my children's children are running things, people will simply "be". Your nation of origin, your race, your ethnic group will be right up there with your home town and what high school you went to. Interesting, but not life defining.


I'm waiting for the day where what we call "race" is as meaningful as what we call "height".
 
2013-05-13 02:12:26 PM  

FreakinB: ha-ha-guy: Lollipop165: Anything even slightly Italian my parents disapproved of - and a big part of what they hated were the low class and uneducated Sicilians - guidos. THEY HATED guidos like you couldn't imagine. Felt it gave all Italians a bad name. There was a definite class separation between Northerners and Southerners I was taught.

Yeah the Northern Italian side of my family hated the South Italians with a ferocity that would make the KKK seem tolerant.  My great grandfather was still pissed that Austria had to give up Trieste, because it made him "Italian" and also likely because Trieste had been the Austrian Empire's main port, but was second fiddle to Venice as part of Italy.  I learned all my anti-Italian slurs from my Northern Italian ancestors.

My mom's side of the family comes from Calabria and Puglia (for those unfamiliar, the toe and the heel) so...this is awkward.

Someone in my family tracked down a relative in Italy. Apparently there are a few doctors. So they're educated! Huzzah!


Inter ethic/race racism is weird to my lily-white American ass.

My best friend of 10+ years is black, apparently light-colored Black people are "house slaves" and look down upon the darker "field slaves".

I did notice when I visited her at a historical black college that the girls did tend to form into clique's based on how light their skin was, it was very weird.

I think it really boiled down to the "hot popular girl" thing, light-colored black girls are culturally preferred  standard of beauty and form a "popular girl" crowd.
 
2013-05-13 02:17:17 PM  

Cybernetic: In the future, all humans will look Brazillian

/I'm OK with this.


Brazil is a complicated place:

Affirming a divide
Black Brazilians are much worse off than they should be. But what is the best way to remedy that?
The Economist
Jan 28th 2012 | RIO DE JANEIRO |From the print edition


In the 2010 census some 51% of Brazilians defined themselves as black or brown. On average, the income of whites is slightly more than double that of black or brown Brazilians, according to IPEA, a government-linked think-tank. It finds that blacks are relatively disadvantaged in their level of education and in their access to health and other services. For example, more than half the people in Rio de Janeiro's favelas (slums) are black. The comparable figure in the city's richer districts is just 7%.

http://www.economist.com/node/21543494


// "Five Brazilian soldiers died? My God, that's awful!"
/// "How many is a 'Brazilian'?"
//// RIP blonde jokes :(
 
2013-05-13 02:18:35 PM  

spentmiles: I'm technically white.


No, you're subjectively white; it's a made-up race whose membership has been growing as more ethnic groups become accepted into the mainstream.
 
2013-05-13 02:18:39 PM  

mr0x: BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.

Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.


One of the assumptions for Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium:

'there is no migration, mutation or selection '


It's a neat math model of genetic allele distribution, but I'm sorry, until very recently humans did not cross pollinate geographically all that often.  So while this principle would be true for a geographic region or pocket prior to cheap energy and cheap travel, it does not hold in the same fashion after equilibrium is ruptured in the now because the population has been magnified many fold and the isolated pockets are allowed to inter-breed.  That being said, at some point equilibrium will be attained again under this principle.  But that is not where we are today at all.
 
2013-05-13 02:18:53 PM  
I'm half asian and half white. These race boxes always infuriated me because there was never really an option for mixed races when I was growing up. I'd end up picking either Asian or White whenever one would benefit more than the other for that particular situation.

My appearance is mostly Asian, despite 50% white heritage, so I've had many people who were understandably skeptical when I checked the White box.
 
2013-05-13 02:19:25 PM  

This text is now purple: How do you define "significantly different" for purposes of genetics?


Different colors of human only have something like 0.5% genetic variation. While humans and chimps have a 5% genetic variation. Based on that i'd consider 4-5% genetic variation to be significant, although it appears different dog breeds have unusually high genetic variation, so i guess the idea of there being significant genetic difference between various races or breeds of the same type of animal could apply to dogs, but not humans or much else.
 
2013-05-13 02:19:46 PM  

Whexican: kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?

Into two folder:

1. Anal
2. Not Anal


Wow. Just ... wow

New keyboard. Please. Plus my coworkwrs think im crazy, and i cant explain this to them.
 
2013-05-13 02:23:54 PM  
One day at a job I used to work at, I had to go to another coworker who used to do my job and have her set me up in the system to do the job that she once did.  Part of the requirement was to put my mother's maiden name in for the security question.  So I gave it to her and she put it in.  The woman who was doing this was a hispanic woman.  When I gave her my mother's maiden name she looked at me and said "That's clearly a British name, your name is Scottish...Damn, you are a white boy."
 
2013-05-13 02:26:51 PM  
boarch: Who actually still says colored?

White folks from the country over 60, mainly. It's difficult to explain to the mainly surburbanites and urban folks on Fark, but in a lot of the rural areas of the southern part of America, time pretty much stands still, or is at least a couple of decades behind the changes in modern society. A lot of the elderly people still use the vernacular that they were raised with. And up until about 1975 or so, black people were called colored people. And there really were not so many other ethnic groups around, so all of them were lumped in with the blacks. This is not to say that all of these same people are racists, many of them are quite friendly to all people regardless of race, and would never use the n word or any other derogatory term for the blacks... or any other ethnicity for that matter. Only white trash would do that, don't you know.

Even though the schools and government are intergrated, the tv pipes in the modern society, and there is a lot of racial mixing amongst the young, the old ways still persist. I suppose it will until they are all dead.
 
2013-05-13 02:29:44 PM  

simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.


My family is Black/White, Mexican/White, Philipino/White, etc.  There's even a few things in there we aren't sure of.

This is the melting pot nation.  Melt, Damn It!
 
2013-05-13 02:31:10 PM  
I'm Brazilian.  My mother is half Dutch, half Portuguese.  My dad is Italian/Portuguese/Black/Native South American mix.  Yet here in the US people label me as "Hispanic" even though I don't have any Spanish ancestors.
 
2013-05-13 02:33:26 PM  
My folks are two of the whitest bread individuals you will ever meet.

3 of their five grandkids are some shade of brown.

I enjoyed checking the multiple race boxes on the census for our kids.
 
2013-05-13 02:36:39 PM  
I'm Welsh and English by ancestry, but Southern Appalachian by culture. The white folks I grew up around do not lead one to assume that white supremacy is a viable theory.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:47 PM  
RACE IS A STUPID CONCEPT
 
2013-05-13 02:38:31 PM  

mr0x: BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.

Nope, see Hardy Weinberg law


Cats in the US breed freely and produce 4-5 babies at one time. One cat mother can have litter of all colors and patterns - black, white, tabby, ginger etc. Wild cats aren't all brown/grey colored.

For example, in countries where humans have been interbreeding for a while, it's not unusual to see kids of all skin colors from the same parents.

Another example, you don't need two ginger parents to make a ginger kid.


If you start with a sufficiently large amount of gingers then you could still expect gingers to crop up after a few dozen generations. But the amount of gingers born would decrease. Assume an Irish ginger with ginger genes on both chromosomes in Asia. (S)he only passes along 1. If the partner doesn't pass along the gene (which Asian don't posses according to South Park) then you'd only have a 50% chance that the grandchild of the ginger person passes on the ginger gene to a child. 25% that the great grand child receives a ginger gene etc. Due to the fact that there are fewer people with red hair than without it would seem simple math that increased mobility threatens the red hair gene.

/I have a red beard and would like to offer my services to preserve the existence if redheads
 
2013-05-13 02:39:25 PM  
i like how the article states that in the last census only three percent checked a box for multiple nationalities.  maybe people just check one because they don't want to map their family tree to get the census fark out the door.
 
2013-05-13 02:41:04 PM  

BafflerMeal: Arkanaut: Is there still one box for all of Asia, home to half of humanity?


Badafuco: Eventually humans will just be a grayish/brownish color.

GENETICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY


Well technically, the more interbreeding of 'races' that occurs, recessive genes that have been allowed to flourish in isolation will be stomped on.  Blonde hair, Blue eyes, gingers, etc... will be come increasingly less common.

This type of action is pretty commonly seen in countries where dogs roam free, are not fixed, and breed on their own.  After a while they all end up being mud sized, brown, short hairs with a slightly curly tail.


There may be less phenotypical expression of the recessive genes, but they will still be there to be passed on.  "Dominance" does not affect odds of inheritance, unless the feature affects survival / reproduction / child rearing.  In fact I would say that blonde / red hair and blue / green eyes confer a reproductive advantage, because people find those features attractive; so even if the immediate child generation might not have those features, later generations might express them again, so there will be a floor for how much those traits might disperse.


BafflerMeal: One of the assumptions for Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium:

'there is no migration, mutation or selection '


While there is certainly greater migration these days, there is still a tendency for people, especially in developed countries (e.g. most of the ones with white people in them) to stay in those countries.  Yes people are afraid of teh immigants but even among immigrant population, reproductive rates decline after one or two generations.

Also, I'd like to point out that "selection" part -- I think people tend to pick someone like themselves as their mate; while this is no longer restricted to "race", however you define it, there are still a lot of things that correlate with race, such as wealth and education.  And of course that's not to discount people who will select based on appearance, for whatever reasons -- there will probably be a lot of them around to preserve their gene pool.
 
2013-05-13 02:42:36 PM  

varmitydog: boarch: Who actually still says colored?

White folks from the country over 60, mainly. It's difficult to explain to the mainly surburbanites and urban folks on Fark, but in a lot of the rural areas of the southern part of America, time pretty much stands still, or is at least a couple of decades behind the changes in modern society. A lot of the elderly people still use the vernacular that they were raised with. And up until about 1975 or so, black people were called colored people. And there really were not so many other ethnic groups around, so all of them were lumped in with the blacks. This is not to say that all of these same people are racists, many of them are quite friendly to all people regardless of race, and would never use the n word or any other derogatory term for the blacks... or any other ethnicity for that matter. Only white trash would do that, don't you know.

Even though the schools and government are intergrated, the tv pipes in the modern society, and there is a lot of racial mixing amongst the young, the old ways still persist. I suppose it will until they are all dead.


I live in bumfark south carolina and none of the old people say colored. They used a word colored people like far less. I call BS
 
2013-05-13 02:45:05 PM  
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2013-05-13 02:47:43 PM  
Lollipop165 whatever box helps my kids get on the quota to attend the fancier university.

My Filipino husband checked off "Asian" instead of Pacific Islander when applying for colleges. According to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, he's Pacific Islander and therefore he could have put that. If admissions had a problem with it, I'd tell them to take it up with one of the most renowned museums in the world :-)


I had this discussion at a meeting in my company.  Since we have a lot of Filipino employees and the US government was asking for census data in the healthcare industry (which we are), the question came up on the classification.  It actually brought up quite a bit of debate.

However, the instructions for the census says quite specifically Filipinos are Asians... not pacific islanders and should be recorded as such.  As a side note, I think that makes far more sense anyways and the issue was idiotic in the first place.

Anyhow, again the arbitrary nature of government or other recording organizations to catagorize on basis of race.
 
2013-05-13 02:48:05 PM  

Great Janitor: Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.


I have always found that people who truly don't care about "diversity" (The PC type) and look for competent people tend to have the most diverse teams of people.

I work with a:

Trinidad Chinese (with some others mixed in)
Chinese guy
Chinese girl
Ethiopian girl
Ukrainian guy
Italian guy
Irish/German American girl (me)
Irish Canadian guy
 
2013-05-13 02:50:49 PM  

James!: I'm okay with this.


Me, too!

/biracial
 
2013-05-13 02:51:55 PM  
Here in America we value diversity.  Now pick ONE BOX ONLY, citizen.
 
2013-05-13 02:52:10 PM  
I was looking forward to a thread full of hot biracial women, and there were none to be found. Maybe Vonapathy can save the day.
 
2013-05-13 02:52:52 PM  
J. Frank Parnell

Different colors of human only have something like 0.5% genetic variation. While humans and chimps have a 5% genetic variation. Based on that i'd consider 4-5% genetic variation to be significant...

I'm curious as to how you regard the Neandertal or Neandertal-like (depending on which theory you believe) DNA that all humans but sub-Saharan Africans share. It runs at 1-4% in most individuals. That's almost at your 5% humanzee divide, and certainly a larger distance between sub-Saharan Africans ("blacks") and everyone else than .5%.

/humanzee is a fun word
 
2013-05-13 02:53:26 PM  
i have family members who want to know why Obama is always mentioned as black? They always ask...where is his mother? Is he ashamed of being half white?

Also...

Gonz- maybe...

24.media.tumblr.com

i keed...i keed...
 
2013-05-13 02:55:59 PM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


Rule 34
 
2013-05-13 02:58:12 PM  

DerAppie: Gonz: devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.

I'm OK with this.

I am of lightly mixed race. There is mention of the "Indian blood" on my dad's side about 4 generations back. It's the type of "Indian" from late-1800s Kentucky that leads to dark, curly hair. My wife's family is English, Russian, German, and Polish... primarily.

Our kids are blonde-haired and blue-eyed. I don't pretend to understand genetics.

I always wondered, why do peoole care so much about their ancestry? Once you name 4 which are "primary" cultural backgrounds, then that would lead me to assume that the only person thinking she is actually German and English and Russian and Polish would be the person self. I doubt she has the mannerisms of even half the cultures she decended from, and that those that she does have, have been filtered through the mannerisms of her parents, the culture where the various contributors to her genetic make-up grew up, the people at school and the culture of nation where she grew up.

After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.


Well, I do but my grandparents from one side where born and raised in Ireland.

My Mom's been investigating her side and discovered that her great-grandpa wasn't Amish, he was a German immigrant from Prussia who during WWI lied about his ancestry to prevent discrimination.

It's a fun history project, nothing more.
 
2013-05-13 02:58:19 PM  
When I'm asked to give my race/ethnicity for something, I just check the "other" box and write in "Meat Popsicle".
 
2013-05-13 02:58:29 PM  

Arkanaut: There may be less phenotypical expression of the recessive genes, but they will still be there to be passed on. "Dominance" does not affect odds of inheritance, unless the feature affects survival / reproduction / child rearing. In fact I would say that blonde / red hair and blue / green eyes confer a reproductive advantage, because people find those features attractive; so even if the immediate child generation might not have those features, later generations might express them again, so there will be a floor for how much those traits might disperse.



Correct, phenotype is really what everyone is talking about as there is no real 'race' in genetics.  That's what I meant if I was not clear enough.  And in that realm, dominance will in fact determine 'race'.  And it should be clear to everyone that recessive genes can still express after equilibrium.  No one has had red hair in my family that anyone can recall for several generations.  I have a ginger beard.

Basically the pool has gotten much larger in the last few hundred years, and the more isolated genetic profiles are now all mixing.  A new balance is coming about.


BafflerMeal: One of the assumptions for Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium:

'there is no migration, mutation or selection '

While there is certainly greater migration these days, there is still a tendency for people, especially in developed countries (e.g. most of the ones with white people in them) to stay in those countries. Yes people are afraid of teh immigants but even among immigrant population, reproductive rates decline after one or two generations.

Also, I'd like to point out that "selection" part -- I think people tend to pick someone like themselves as their mate; while this is no longer restricted to "race", however you define it, there are still a lot of things that correlate with race, such as wealth and education. And of course that's not to discount people who will select based on appearance, for whatever reasons -- there will probably be a lot of them around to preserve their gene pool.



We have to disagree here.  Wealth and education correlate with socioeconomic status.  Not race.  That plays out like Victorian thinking about the 'lesser races'.

Regardless, no one said less dominant expressions would go away.  They will just become less prevalent in the mix unless they end up having a reproductive advantage.
 
2013-05-13 03:00:43 PM  

shortymac: My best friend of 10+ years is black, apparently light-colored Black people are "house slaves" and look down upon the darker "field slaves".

I did notice when I visited her at a historical black college that the girls did tend to form into clique's based on how light their skin was, it was very weird.


Its pretty common in a lot of cultures, not just Italians or blacks.  In many Central and South American countries, and Asian countries, dark skin is looked upon badly, because historically those with dark complexions were dark because they had been working in the fields, while those with lighter skin were the upper class who spent most of their time inside.  Just because now skin color has more to do with genetics instead of your position in society, doesn't mean the old prejudices have gone away.

In many Asian countries there's a huge business in "skin whiteners", and you can't turn on the TV for long without seeing a commercial for them or walk into a pharmacy without seeing entire rows dedicated to them.  Also, most TV newscasters and other positions are usually given to those with very white skin, especially amongst women.
 
2013-05-13 03:04:53 PM  

ShawnDoc: In many Asian countries there's a huge business in "skin whiteners", and you can't turn on the TV for long without seeing a commercial for them or walk into a pharmacy without seeing entire rows dedicated to them.  Also, most TV newscasters and other positions are usually given to those with very white skin, especially amongst women.


I gotta admit that it's REALLY Uncanny Valley seeing the girl from "Gangnam Style" with this paper-white skin and totally Asian features.  That is some really good makeup.
 
2013-05-13 03:06:31 PM  

shortymac: Great Janitor: Good, now, can we drop the race question from the civil service tests, employment applications, food stamp applications, welfare applications so on and so forth.  Now, I know that legally I can't be denied for a job or a promotion because of my race, but when ever I see that page about the optional (or on some website applications, non-optional) questions about my race and gender, I can't help but to think that there is some HR manager sifting through those applications and deleting those who's race doesn't fit with what they are looking for at the time.  I only think this because I once worked for a Fortune 500 company where, during the annual off-site company meeting, the head of HR said that she was wanting to put more women into leadership positions and was looking to hire more hispanics.  What I heard was "No matter how qualified you are for any leadership position or for the job, if you are a male, or black, white, asian or middle eastern, you aren't even getting an interview."  Most asinine question I was asked there was when I was during my exit interview.  I was asked "Was there enough diversity in the company?"  and I said "I don't give a damn about diversity as long as person I'm working under got the job because they were the best person for the job who applied and a lesser choice who was picked because they happened to be the race you were looking for that day."  She didn't care for that answer.

I have always found that people who truly don't care about "diversity" (The PC type) and look for competent people tend to have the most diverse teams of people.

I work with a:

Trinidad Chinese (with some others mixed in)
Chinese guy
Chinese girl
Ethiopian girl
Ukrainian guy
Italian guy
Irish/German American girl (me)
Irish Canadian guy


My entire view point, which you helped out actually, is that employers shouldn't be passing over good people for a job because they aren't the race that they are looking to fill.  If you simply hire the best applicant, then you will get a diverse workforce.  If you say "Well, 54% of the population of the city that this store is in is black, so we should hire only blacks until 54% of the employees are black." you're doing it wrong because you aren't looking first at the qualifications, you're looking first at the race of the applicant.  And sadly, there are HR people who foolishly look at diversity first, qualifications second, and not just with job applications, but also with internal promotions.
 
2013-05-13 03:07:34 PM  

devilEther: What most of you seem to be taking lightly is no less than the genocide of the Caucasoid race.


Since more and more of humanity works indoors away from direct sunlight, the evolutionary trend would be for everyone to become white.

Northern Europeans are white because the gulf current makes northern Europe warm enough to grow grains at a very high latitude.  Diets high in grains are very low in vitamin D, so when agriculture was introduced in northern Europe, the people there quickly acquired mutations to knock out melanin production.
 
2013-05-13 03:09:10 PM  

Wadded Beef: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

I have two Chinese nieces.  I think my sister was planning on just one, but when you adopt Chinese, an hour later you want to adopt again.


ROR!
 
2013-05-13 03:09:16 PM  

SirEattonHogg: However, the instructions for the census says quite specifically Filipinos are Asians... not pacific islanders and should be recorded as such. As a side note, I think that makes far more sense anyways and the issue was idiotic in the first place.


That's because most Filipinos are descended from Malays, with some Spanish blood thrown in.  Just like how people from Taiwan or Japan aren't considered Pacific Islanders.  Pacific Islander usually refers to those of Polynesian, Melanesia or Micronesian (Chomorro) descent, as they share a non-Malay ancestry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_islander .
 
2013-05-13 03:09:24 PM  

HortusMatris: When I'm asked to give my race/ethnicity for something, I just check the "other" box and write in "Meat Popsicle".


During the last census there was some door knocker who asked me about those who lived in my home.  It was just me and the wife.  I told the woman that my race was other: Time Lord, and that my wife was other: Klingon.
 
2013-05-13 03:14:30 PM  

BafflerMeal: Wealth and education correlate with socioeconomic status.  Not race.  That plays out like Victorian thinking about the 'lesser races'.


Sure sure.  But they have accumulated mostly to white people in this country, and wealth tends to perpetuate itself in various ways -- wealthy people can afford better education for their children, and thus allow their children to make more money, so they can afford better education for their children, etc. etc.  And those children, to quote one of the eminent poets of our time, they ain't messin' with no broke n*gga.
 
2013-05-13 03:15:32 PM  

shortymac: Well, I do but my grandparents from one side where born and raised in Ireland.

My Mom's been investigating her side and discovered that her great-grandpa wasn't Amish, he was a German immigrant from Prussia who during WWI lied about his ancestry to prevent discrimination.

It's a fun history project, nothing more.


Do what? Care about your ancestry or claim multiple cultures? If the first, good on you. Have fun with your history project. If the second, well, everyone is allowed their delusions as long as they don't hurt anyone.
 
2013-05-13 03:20:33 PM  
So vote republican?
 
2013-05-13 03:22:46 PM  

moothemagiccow: RACE IS A STUPID CONCEPT


Says the guy with the asian fetish
 
2013-05-13 03:25:22 PM  

NittLion78: I never answer because "MURRICAN!!1" is never an option

THANKS OBAMA


CSB: in 1990, I received the "long form" census.

I checked the box under "Other" EVERY time and filled in the blank, "U.S. of American." (I, my parents AND my grandparents all were born in this country, so aren't we at least entitled to call ourselves "U.S.Americans" by now?)

Yes, filling it out made the whole thing longer, but I had plenty of time and didn't care.

/They never came by to check my race.
 
2013-05-13 03:38:33 PM  

MonoChango: DerAppie: After the 2nd cultural background people should just accept that they only share a cultural link with their parents and the people in the place they grew up in. Claiming multiple cultures is just silly and claiming multiple races is only interesting to a doctor as medical history.

THIS
I was stuck on a plane with a racist old lady.  I was board and was chatting with her anyway trying to see if I could at least get her to see that people other than what she grew up with, are still humans.  Anyway she was worried that "white America was going to become extinct."  I told her.  "Don't worry about it.  In the future people may change their skin color like we change our hair color.  My kids are far darker than me but they are all suburban computer geeks, because I raised them.  It's all about culture not genetics."


My father did this to me.

TL;DR: My now-hubby is Scottish/English but with dark eyes, hair and tanned skin. When I was dating him my Black Irish Dad said "You know, you'll have dark colored babies with him, right?"

So I said "Oh! They'll look just like you Dad!" He never mentioned it again.

The back story:

He's "Black Irish", dark skin and hair, those few who are blessed with the ability to tan. Both parents born and bred in Ireland so there's no hidden black or native relative in there. Growing up people thought my Grandpa was his Puerto Rican co-worker until he opened his mouth.

Growing up he would introduce himself as Mr. "Obvious Irish Name Here" and people would always say "So your Mom's Italian?" because Irish people are all pale redheads (rolls eyes).   He got pulled in for questioning at Aussie customs because "Irish people don't get that dark" and they thought he was a Mexican.

/It's all bullshiat anyway.
 
2013-05-13 03:40:54 PM  

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: simplicimus: Amongst my in-laws I have two black/white grandchildren. three Puerto Rices/white nieces/nephews, 1 Mexican/white nephew. Not really shocked by the news.

CSB - My best friend is 3/8 Chinese, 5/8 white.   His twin married an Armenian.  His older brother married a  half-Phillipino, half-Mexican woman and had three kids, who are 5/16 white, 3/16 Chinese, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Phillipino (which itself a mix of Spanish and Asian).  Their oldest kid is about to marry a Sephardic Jew Colombian, so good luck tracking all that nonsense.

FTFM, not that anyone cares.


I kinda do, that's awesome.

Polish-German marrying a Irish boy, so if I actually had kids they'd be lily white as all get out.  My best friend is Japanese-Polish, though no progeny yet.
 
2013-05-13 03:42:25 PM  

kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?


BBW ain't gonna change, man.
 
2013-05-13 03:52:08 PM  
So its cool that the white race is going extinct to you people?

I guess that whole "diversity" thing everyone celebrates really was a ruse then huh? Sounds less like a celebration of diversity and more like a celebration of racial destruction.
 
2013-05-13 03:54:23 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: i have family members who want to know why Obama is always mentioned as black? They always ask...where is his mother? Is he ashamed of being half white?

Also...

Gonz- maybe...

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x267]

i keed...i keed...


Because traditionally in American culture if you have 1 drop of black blood in you, you where "black". You where barred from voting in certain US states if you had 1 black relative going back to 8 generations.

/Farking stupid
 
2013-05-13 03:54:33 PM  
Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:16 PM  
I thought this was going to be a thread about hot multiracial women.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:50 PM  

FLMountainMan: OH NOES!!!!  How can we play identity politics then?


I'm sure humans will find a way.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:53 PM  

jshine: OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?

Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.


As we all well know, "race" is what is used to classify proper Teutonics vs inferiors, such as the Irish Race, the Italic Race, the Iberian Race, and those other Races of Europe.
 
2013-05-13 04:01:14 PM  
Will there be just one general box for us OtherKin to check? As someone who identifies himself as a gnome I would hate to be lumped in with Elves, Orcs or Furries.
 
2013-05-13 04:01:27 PM  
atomicmask

So its cool that the white race is going extinct to you people?

I'm not going to say that there aren't people who cheer such a notion, I just don't understand how you get to "the white race is going extinct" from "some people have children with individuals of other races."
 
2013-05-13 04:05:58 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: atomicmask

So its cool that the white race is going extinct to you people?

I'm not going to say that there aren't people who cheer such a notion, I just don't understand how you get to "the white race is going extinct" from "some people have children with individuals of other races."


How do I get that?

1. If a growing portion of individuals are no longer being one race
2. That means that said races, black, white, asian, etc...are shrinking..
3. Typically, when a species is shrinking, it means extinction is on the way..

I do not find that spiffy or great, I find that sad. It means a generic dull brown mix of person, with no individual traits is going to make up the majority of the population. Which in turn proves the racist propagandists right, it never was about equality and diversity, it was all about destruction and muddling.
 
2013-05-13 04:10:17 PM  

QueenMamaBee: So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.


Well it makes sense since according to wiki
The racial makeup of the county was 98.71% white.

Where I live the racial makeup is 97% white.
 
2013-05-13 04:11:06 PM  

atomicmask: Which in turn proves the racist propagandists right, it never was about equality and diversity, it was all about destruction and muddling.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-13 04:15:41 PM  
Muggles.
 
2013-05-13 04:21:40 PM  

Silly_Sot: jshine: OminousAnonymous: Maybe someone can explain... aren't we all the same race?  Are we not all homo sapien?

Homo sapiens is a species designation. The word race means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, so its impossible to have any meaningful discussion about it.

As we all well know, "race" is what is used to classify proper Teutonics vs inferiors, such as the Irish Race, the Italic Race, the Iberian Race, and those other Races of Europe.


Well, if that's what you want it to mean I suppose...

Most words surrounding politically-charged or socially "difficult" topics end up becoming ambiguous because their definitions get twisted through years or decades of arguments.  Re-defining terms is a pretty common debate tactic, so over time one just ends up with an ambiguous mess.

As an alternate example, what does the word "retarded" really mean?  Or going back farther, "idiot" was once a well-accepted and reasonably unambiguous medical term.

Similarly, the word "race" has been the center of so much vitriol acrimony that whatever usefulness the word once had in the lexicon is gone -- but that isn't to say that all humans now look alike or share the same trends in heritable physical characteristics.  We just don't have a succinct and politically correct term to describe the concept.
 
2013-05-13 04:32:23 PM  

DerAppie: shortymac: Well, I do but my grandparents from one side where born and raised in Ireland.

My Mom's been investigating her side and discovered that her great-grandpa wasn't Amish, he was a German immigrant from Prussia who during WWI lied about his ancestry to prevent discrimination.

It's a fun history project, nothing more.

Do what? Care about your ancestry or claim multiple cultures? If the first, good on you. Have fun with your history project. If the second, well, everyone is allowed their delusions as long as they don't hurt anyone.


I care about my ancestry.

I'm not dumb enough to claim multiple cultures. While I may have a slightly better idea of Irish history than an American I'm not going to talk about how "Irish" I am.  Irish culture has changed a lot since they left in the 1950's.
 
2013-05-13 04:37:08 PM  

mbillips: Sheesh. "Races" are pseudo-scientific constructs that consist of family resemblance, nothing more. The median difference between members of a "race" is larger than the median difference between "races," with the exception of a few superficial bits of outward appearance such as tightly curled hair or epicanthic folds. No one has ever made a scientific description that describes a "race" biologically.

Dog breeds are something entirely different, created by intensive selected breeding. Put a group of "purebred" dogs together, and eventually they'll breed back to something that resembles a coyote.


They're not really that different.  Humans in isolated geographical regions with different cultural norms are exposed to both different climates (which select for, say, darker skin to prevent cancer in brighter sun) as well as sexual preferences.  I.e., different cultures consider different traits to be attractive.  As an example, some birds (peacocks, for example) have useless plumage that they evolved simply because it was considered attractive by other birds, but provided no other benefit and may even be harmful to their survival.  The same principle is doubtless at work in humans, only for a shorter span of time: any trait that is considered attractive within a culture will be selected for over the generations.  Its not quite as direct and intentional as the way humans bred dogs to have a certain appearance, but then again, it would have been operating over a longer span of time.
 
2013-05-13 04:40:55 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I'm a German Dutch Native American American, AND PROUD OF IT


Racist!
 
2013-05-13 04:42:05 PM  

clkeagle: That's great. In only seven or eight more generations, we'll finally realize that the "race" block on a form is utterly meaningless.

What a stupid way to view the world.


I always write in "Human" on any form that asks my race.
 
2013-05-13 04:44:22 PM  

Jello Fever: I'm okay with this as long as they don't turk ur jrrbs.


They won't; they already did.
 
2013-05-13 04:44:35 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.


But what if they all looked like this:

1.bp.blogspot.com

Bow to your Lebanese-Mexican overlords!
 
2013-05-13 04:45:40 PM  
So if some white guy is born in South Africa and later becomes a US citizen, can he call himself an African-American?
 
2013-05-13 04:55:48 PM  
atomicmask

1. If a growing portion of individuals are no longer being one race
2. That means that said races, black, white, asian, etc...are shrinking..
3. Typically, when a species is shrinking, it means extinction is on the way..


I disagree. The birth of a mixed-race child in no way indicates the white population is shrinking. It's not a zero-sum situation; all populations, generally speaking, are growing. There are probably more white people alive today than at any other time in history.

If you mean to suggest that white people are shrinking as a percentage of the world population, that's a different argument, but miscegenation has almost nothing to do with it; the largest ethnic group in the world (the Han) outnumber all the various "white people" put together already, unless you really stretch what the term "white people" can logically encompass...

I do not find that spiffy or great, I find that sad. It means a generic dull brown mix of person, with no individual traits is going to make up the majority of the population. Which in turn proves the racist propagandists right, it never was about equality and diversity, it was all about destruction and muddling.

Assuming for the sake of discussion this were true, I have a hard time seeing the people that invented spaceships and nukes going quietly when the final hour tolls. Maybe I just have more white pride than you, but I imagine that peoples whose oldest legends usually end in a world-shattering conflict that destroys and remakes reality could be pretty good at a final race war if their backs were against the wall.
 
2013-05-13 04:55:49 PM  

DerAppie: If you start with a sufficiently large amount of gingers then you could still expect gingers to crop up after a few dozen generations. But the amount of gingers born would decrease. Assume an Irish ginger with ginger genes on both chromosomes in Asia. (S)he only passes along 1. If the partner doesn't pass along the gene (which Asian don't posses according to South Park) then you'd only have a 50% chance that the grandchild of the ginger person passes on the ginger gene to a child. 25% that the great grand child receives a ginger gene etc. Due to the fact that there are fewer people with red hair than without it would seem simple math that increased mobility threatens the red hair gene.

/I have a red beard and would like to offer my services to preserve the existence if redheads



You're assuming that the ginger only has one kid. If she has two kids, then the number of ginger genes in the population remains the same in the next generation.


If she has only one kid with another ginger, then it also results in less gingers in the world because 4 ginger genes are now only 2.

Hardy-Weinberg says that the number of genes in the population will remain the same. Yes, the number of gingers with both recessive genes will decrease but the total number of ginger genes will remain the same in the population. So, there will always be gingers - it won't be that gingers will disappear with inbreeding and we all turn into medium brown as the OP was suggesting.
 
2013-05-13 05:06:26 PM  
BraveNewCheneyWorld  Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.

Brazil is supposedly even more mixed in terms of races than the US, and their people hardly look bland and similar.
 
2013-05-13 05:08:18 PM  
Time to introduce "Miscellaneous" or "Combination of some or all of the above" choices.
 
2013-05-13 05:11:35 PM  

mr0x: Hardy-Weinberg says that the number of genes in the population will remain the same. Yes, the number of gingers with both recessive genes will decrease but the total number of ginger genes will remain the same in the population. So, there will always be gingers - it won't be that gingers will disappear with inbreeding and we all turn into medium brown as the OP was suggesting.


Looking at the math behind the Hardy-Weinberg principle seems to suggest that they are implicitly assuming non-integer numbers of individuals are possible.  ...that is, that its possible to have (say) 0.3333... of a person.  In a large enough population (7 billion of us), that's probably a reasonably safe assumption, since a single person is a small percentage of the population and the difference between a discrete-valued and a continuously-valued variable is tiny, but its still only approximately true.

If one considers a population with a total of (say) 10 individuals, where the difference between a continuous and discrete-valued variable is more significant, it would certainly be possible to drive a gene completely into extinction.

/one has to be very careful applying math to biological populations, since continuously-valued variables are rarely exactly appropriate -- lest one run into the "atto-fox problem"
 
2013-05-13 05:14:25 PM  
Countries in the Western Hemisphere are very young.  Brazil is about 200 years old -- that's about 8 human generations -- and many of its people probably are descended from immigrants that arrived more recently than that.
 
2013-05-13 05:15:10 PM  

SirEattonHogg: BraveNewCheneyWorld  Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.

Brazil is supposedly even more mixed in terms of races than the US, and their people hardly look bland and similar.


Countries in the Western Hemisphere are very young.  Brazil is about 200 years old -- that's about 8 human generations -- and many of its people probably are descended from immigrants that arrived more recently than that.
 
2013-05-13 05:16:27 PM  

hundreddollarman: I thought this was going to be a thread about hot multiracial women.


anyone having issues with miscegenation just needs to check out mixed race hotties, and argument invalid.

and race isn't an issue now. there are historical racial issues leading to poverty, but then our policies should address those issues today & not perpetuate a second class standard for racial minorities.

but, hey, if my family can get ahead due to racist politics about mud people, great!

whatever box we need to check, we'll check.
 
2013-05-13 05:21:44 PM  

legion_of_doo: anyone having issues with miscegenation just needs to check out mixed race hotties, and argument invalid.


That's what cured my racism. Whatever social shifts create more Rosario Dawsons and Jessica Albas are A-OK with me.
 
2013-05-13 05:48:05 PM  

Prey4reign: I don't have the time to read all the posts that went before but, why don't they just come up with a category named "American Hybrid"?


Homo Sapiens Sapiens Americanus Hybridae
 
2013-05-13 05:51:03 PM  
FTA:  'Dawkins also says multiracials need to take some responsibility and look at how their entrance into the conversation might "disrupt - for better and for worse - resources and communities that have worked really hard to be organized."'

I will tell my own children to enter the conversation with "Fark your checkboxes and the small minds that came up with them."
 
2013-05-13 05:53:47 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.

dang! an Asian man married to an Aryan woman! Not only did you get yaself a white wimin you got yaself a racist white wimin!



If only he had opened his eyes, this wouldn't have been a problem.
 
2013-05-13 05:57:21 PM  

jshine: Looking at the math behind the Hardy-Weinberg principle seems to suggest that they are implicitly assuming non-integer numbers of individuals are possible. ...that is, that its possible to have (say) 0.3333... of a person. In a large enough population (7 billion of us), that's probably a reasonably safe assumption, since a single person is a small percentage of the population and the difference between a discrete-valued and a continuously-valued variable is tiny, but its still only approximately true.

If one considers a population with a total of (say) 10 individuals, where the difference between a continuous and discrete-valued variable is more significant, it would certainly be possible to drive a gene completely into extinction.

/one has to be very careful applying math to biological populations, since continuously-valued variables are rarely exactly appropriate -- lest one run into the "atto-fox problem"



Yeah, duh!


Anyway, what you said is also applicable to a breakaway sub-population that goes into inhabit a new environment. In this case, the genetic makeup of each successive generation is more subject to chance (see genetic drift).

Wasn't there a theory also that such processes and geographic isolation resulted in the human "races" and why races look different.
 
2013-05-13 05:57:38 PM  

doofusgumby: Prey4reign: I don't have the time to read all the posts that went before but, why don't they just come up with a category named "American Hybrid"?

Homo Sapiens Sapiens Americanus Hybridae



upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-13 06:00:20 PM  
Jshine:  BraveNewCheneyWorld  Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.

Brazil is supposedly even more mixed in terms of races than the US, and their people hardly look bland and similar.

Countries in the Western Hemisphere are very young.  Brazil is about 200 years old -- that's about 8 human generations -- and many of its people probably are descended from immigrants that arrived more recently than that.


So, w
e'll all be members of aslightly tanned with black hair boring mongrel race as lamented by BraveNewCheneyWorld. But as you note that's generations out there - even more than the age of all countries in the Western Hemisphere - assuming if we were all having kids with persons of another race, which presumably most people aren't, even in this country.

Even if everyone was busy making mixed-race babies, honestly does anyone really give a damn about what will happen to your respective race or racial ethnic group 3 - 4 centuries from now?   I sure as hell don't.
 
2013-05-13 06:11:32 PM  

James!: I'm okay with this.


As a 100% Celt with mocha-coloured Welsh cousins (long story requiring Craig Venter to explain), I support this.

Race is stupid and subjective. I've seen people who look like me in southwest Ireland, Germany and Portugal. Clearly, dicks wander.
 
2013-05-13 06:12:32 PM  

YoOjo: What's it called when an orange Kurdish attention whore with sixteen buttocks worth of buttocks mates with a confused looking retarded Somali pirate lookalike?


Rule 34.
 
2013-05-13 06:15:28 PM  
fickenchucker:
///I'm doing my best to integrate--I had sex with a 1.56% Native American!


THAT was funny. I think that should be a variation for the next Fark party........ so people can fill in gaps in their missing DNA using name-tag labels.

Any Farkettes wanna mix their 3/13ths Oceanic with my (2/27ths + 5/22nds) 'Stans???
 
2013-05-13 06:22:27 PM  

BafflerMeal: The Pope of Manwich Village: I blame Crayola for changing the name of its "flesh" colored crayon to "peach" in 1962 and "Indian red" to "chestnut" in 1999.

Prussian Blue forever!


I hate to admit it but... Well... They were kind of cute. I actually recently did a video search to see what they were singing about. Needless to say, it had been years since I'd heard of them and someone reminded me of them in a /. post so I went off and had a listen. They couldn't sing worth a damn, play their instruments well, and the subject matter was entirely as I'd expected it to be which was why I'd never gone to look for it way back when they were still in the news. *sighs* I wish I'd never gone to look/listen. I could have at maintained the illusion that they were, at least, cute.

Anyhow, I thought I was the only one who checked "other" and wrote in "human." Imagine that?
 
2013-05-13 06:26:03 PM  

shortymac: MagSeven: netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?

I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.

They've allowed Catholics into their ranks soooooooo

/I want to punch every single one of them in the face


Do you feel like the inclusion of Catholics has ruined your group or something?
 
2013-05-13 06:26:14 PM  

AdamK: fine with me, i've always wanted to date a woman from another race



Trust me, it Never works out between liters and TFers...... same with 5k'ers and full marathoners. It all blows up eventually.
 
2013-05-13 06:27:05 PM  

AdamK: fine with me, i've always wanted to date a woman from another race


Oh, man, you have no idea.
 
2013-05-13 06:48:02 PM  

UnspokenVoice: BafflerMeal: The Pope of Manwich Village: I blame Crayola for changing the name of its "flesh" colored crayon to "peach" in 1962 and "Indian red" to "chestnut" in 1999.

Prussian Blue forever!

I hate to admit it but... Well... They were kind of cute. I actually recently did a video search to see what they were singing about. Needless to say, it had been years since I'd heard of them and someone reminded me of them in a /. post so I went off and had a listen. They couldn't sing worth a damn, play their instruments well, and the subject matter was entirely as I'd expected it to be which was why I'd never gone to look for it way back when they were still in the news. *sighs* I wish I'd never gone to look/listen. I could have at maintained the illusion that they were, at least, cute.

Anyhow, I thought I was the only one who checked "other" and wrote in "human." Imagine that?


I ready an article recently that claimed those girls had abandoned that mindset and admitted it was brainwashing by their family.  So there is hope!
 
2013-05-13 06:52:56 PM  

UnspokenVoice: shortymac: MagSeven: netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?

I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.

They've allowed Catholics into their ranks soooooooo

/I want to punch every single one of them in the face

Do you feel like the inclusion of Catholics has ruined your group or something?


No, traditionally they hated Catholics and discriminated against them.

I was pointing out how they're covering up their own history to gain more supporters.
 
2013-05-13 06:57:33 PM  

thisiszombocom: Whexican: kid_icarus: How will we sort our porn in the future?

Into two folder:

1. Anal
2. Not Anal

Wow. Just ... wow

New keyboard. Please. Plus my coworkwrs think im crazy, and i cant explain this to them.



You followed him down the rabbit hole, didn't you???
 
2013-05-13 06:59:14 PM  
Not sure why census cares.

Everyone's Human race, right?

I look white but am actually mixed white and asian....don't remember ever having to check a box where it asked what race I am.
 
2013-05-13 07:21:28 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Spiffy!?  It's a farking shame.  In several generations we'll all look very much alike.  I prefer variety and individuality to a world of bland similarity.


It is okay, you won't be here.
 
2013-05-13 07:24:37 PM  

OminousAnonymous: I ready an article recently that claimed those girls had abandoned that mindset and admitted it was brainwashing by their family. So there is hope!


I guess they went off to college or got out of the house. It may have been a Fark link, not a /. link. Anyhow, they were still cute IIRC. I am pretty sure they were still cute because I made the effort to go find their music finally and I doubt I'd have done that if they were ugly.
 
2013-05-13 07:30:19 PM  

Silly_Sot: My wife gets particularly nasty at me over this issue. I am Asian and "White" ancestry. Whenever I check this or "mixed race" on the form, my wife is offended. She demands that I only check "White". She's been living in Tex-asshole for over a decade. I think the state rubbed off on her far more than she's willing to admit.


I got that same thing from my fiancée when filling out my census form except with the religion part. I checked None for mine, but she got mad and said I should put Baptist because my parents were Baptist and brought me to a Baptist church for about 2 years when I was 6-8 years old. I never believed in that crap or practiced it. She put Catholic as hers even though she doesn't believe or practice the religion, but grew up going to Catholic school. I was confused as to why she identified as a Catholic even though she doesnt practice or believe and then I remembered she grew up in Newfoundland where there was always tension between Potestants and Catholics. Even within her family, one side is Anglican and the other Catholic and she grew up being called "Blackie" and a "Mick" by the Anglican side.

I think the whole thing is stupid, especially when she argued that you are born with your religious affiliation. I guess even smart people have dumb ideas.
 
2013-05-13 07:34:12 PM  

Magnanimous_J: legion_of_doo: anyone having issues with miscegenation just needs to check out mixed race hotties, and argument invalid.

That's what cured my racism. Whatever social shifts create more Rosario Dawsons and Jessica Albas are A-OK with me.


amen, brother.

/"they stealing our wimminz" is one of those things only losers would ever have cause to say. if you have to say that, you're probably a damn ugly loser.
 
2013-05-13 07:43:07 PM  
shortymac:

My Mom's been investigating her side and discovered that her great-grandpa wasn't Amish, he was a German immigrant from Prussia who during WWI lied about his ancestry to prevent discrimination.


Ahhhh......... so he rolled the Amish pair of dice.
 
2013-05-13 08:06:14 PM  

UnspokenVoice: shortymac: MagSeven: netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?

I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.

They've allowed Catholics into their ranks soooooooo

/I want to punch every single one of them in the face

Do you feel like the inclusion of Catholics has ruined your group or something?


No, but it ruins my faith in some fellow Catholics. We're a global religion, who are we supposed to hate?
 
2013-05-13 08:10:16 PM  
Whenever I'm asked to state my race on something, I pick a race at random. If I can identify with a different gender than what I was born into, I figure I can do the same for race.
 
2013-05-13 08:14:09 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So if some white guy is born in South Africa and later becomes a US citizen, can he call himself an African-American?



Sure, but he still won't be able to rap or jump.
 
2013-05-13 09:05:59 PM  

Magnanimous_J: legion_of_doo: anyone having issues with miscegenation just needs to check out mixed race hotties, and argument invalid.

That's what cured my racism. Whatever social shifts create more Rosario Dawsons and Jessica Albas are A-OK with me.


You can kiss all the hot redheads goodbye.. or rather, soon you won't be able to.
 
2013-05-13 09:19:25 PM  

simplicimus: UnspokenVoice: shortymac: MagSeven: netgamer7k: I wonder what Stormfront or other white racists think of southern Italians or Sicilians. Are they white enough?

I think they are now. Recruitment is down so they have relaxed their standards a bit.

They've allowed Catholics into their ranks soooooooo

/I want to punch every single one of them in the face

Do you feel like the inclusion of Catholics has ruined your group or something?

No, but it ruins my faith in some fellow Catholics. We're a global religion, who are we supposed to hate?


teh Moslems1!1111!!!!2!1

teh took r holy land112!!2!!!!

/ DEUS VULT!
 
2013-05-13 09:29:33 PM  

olddinosaur: The last time I checked, people of all races were eligible to vote in Amerika since 1872, and women were allowed to vote since 1920.


Not so much, either legally or in practice:

a) Most prominently, Jim Crow laws that were rapidly passed in the wake of the 14th Amendment were explicitly designed to disenfranchise not only African-Americans but any person who gained citizenship and voting rights through the Reconstruction Amendments (a fairly common method was the use of poll taxes and literacy tests, with "grandfather clauses" which conveniently exempted white males who had ancestors with established citizenship before the Reconstruction Amendments were passed).  Whilst they may have been eligible de jure under federal law, African-Americans and even groups with African-American ancestry that were not considered African-Americans per se (such as Melungeons, an Appalachian metis group that includes Cherokee, African-American, and Irish ancestry) were both de jure (via Jim Crow laws and "one drop" laws that legally defined anyone who had any discernible African-American--and in many cases, Native American--ancestry as Legally Black) and de facto (by voter intimidation in those rare cases where a literate and independently non-poor African-American TRIED to get the franchise) disenfranchised; this situation pretty much lasted well into the late fifties to early sixties, and took an act of Congress as well as National Guard intervention and a whole lot of civil disobedience to correct.

(And some would argue--rightfully, IMHO--that the situation is STILL not entirely corrected; the effort that used to go into poll taxes and literacy tests now goes into "voter ID" laws--in more than a few states with a history of not only explicit disenfranchisement of non-whites but even such things as "sundown towns" where it was literally illegal to Exist While Brown (and in the case of Indiana, the state was legally a sundown state where laws existed on the books well into the fifties technically making it illegal for anyone of colour to take up residence) this is ALSO meant as a method to disenfranchise African-Americans in particular and the poor in general--knowing damn well that (for instance) poor families may not be able to get transportation to a DMV, or supporting documents required for an ID (anymore, a certified copy of a birth certificate is needed as well as other documents--there is no provision for ordering a certified birth certificate from the state department of records, for starters, and it's not uncommon for African-Americans from about their forties upward in the Southeast to not necessarily have these documents--home births being more common)...much less often having to fork over for the ID because the DMV neglected to notify them that IDs for voting only were free.)

b) One notable population that did NOT get full citizenship rights and was legally ineligible to be granted US citizenship were First Nations people and folks of First Nations descent; in fact, NDNs (and children of foreign diplomats) are the ONLY people who were outright exempted from jus solis and jus sanguinus citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment--and in fact, it was also legally impossible for a First Nations person to even become a naturalised citizen; ANY person of First Nations descent was essentially considered an "illegal alien" to be deported to their "homeland" reservation (ironically, it was the last ditch attempt by the Cherokee Nation to avoid ethnic cleansing in Georgia by suing in the Supreme Court that established the whole concept of First Nations as a "dependent nation"--legally, similar to the status of American Samoa, where people are US nationals but not US citizens).  Simply admitting you had ancestors of First Nations descent was in fact legally enough to deny one citizenship, and a surprising number of First Nations groups in the Southeast in particular survived and avoided ethnic cleansing by passing as "black Irish", "black Dutch", or even mixed-race populations (and there were actual metis communities founded as well, like the Melungeon).

First Nations people did not become eligible for US citizenship until 1924 (when Congress mass naturalised every person in the US of NDN descent), and did not receive full civil rights until World War II--and again, there are a LOT of things pointing to things STILL having a long way to go (particularly in regards to how much sovereignity that tribal governments are allowed to have in practice--among other things, they cannot prosecute felony offenses committed by non-tribal members, which has led to a bit of a rape epidemic on a number of reservations--and the BIA not exactly being a good ward of the money they're supposed to be holding in trust for First Nations as compensation for NDNs being subjected to ethnic cleansing and mass violation of treaties).

In addition, many states in the Southeast explicitly included people of First Nations descent in their "one drop" rules (basically defining NDNs as Legally Black)...and this was on the lighter end; much more common were laws (that have been on the books since the first major acts of ethnic cleansing against the "Five Civilised Tribes", and are STILL on the books but legally unenforcable thanks to the Civil Rights Act) that were the exact equivalents of laws in "sundown towns" and the "Sundown State" of Indiana that prohibited people of First Nations descent from living or even loitering in those states.  If anything, someone of (say) Cherokee or Creek descent had it worse in some cases than African-Americans, hence why it was so common to try to pass as "high-yella" of some variety.

In fact, there were even times where explicit exemptions had to be given to some groups--the state of Virginia explicitly included First Nations as a group of Legally Black folks in its Jim Crow laws...and had to carve out an explicit exemption for descendants of Pocahantas (thus making at least her descendants Legally White) lest fully half the Virginia legislature be legally disenfranchised.

c) Another group of people who were functionally prohibited from US citizenship (and for a period, US immigration as well) were people of Asian descent; after a Supreme Court ruling that essentially upheld jus solis citizenship for a Chinese-American, laws were passed that essentially completely barred people of Asian descent from citizenship (and even prohibited them from entering the country as "undesirable persons"--this at the same time as massive immigration from Europe).  In addition, a lot of Western states passed rough equivalents of "sundown town" laws that prohibited settlement by people of Asian descent (and "Asian" was defined pretty broadly in some cases, Bellingham, WA's "sundown town" law targeting Asians also included people from the Indian subcontinent and the East Indies broadly), and in some cases even children of Asian immigrants were denied citizenship.  (Needless to say, this actually formed a lot of the legal basis for rounding up Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; legally, they were considered "enemy aliens" who were never eligible for US citizenship, and thus to be treated not unlike a "hostile Indian nation".  And yes, there was a lot of support from the more racist bits of the local white population--who weren't exactly friendly with Japanese-Americans even before World War II.

It pretty much took the Korean and Vietnam Wars for Asian-Americans to get full legal rights--it turns out that some major Cold War-fueled humanitarian crises (and refugee families including refugee kids) tended to speak rather louder (for once) than the usual "Yellow Menace" derp, and having a number of Korean and Vietnamese and Khmer and Lao and Hmong refugees rather helped open up the doors to actually allowing Asian-Americans to gain citizenship.
 
2013-05-13 09:44:32 PM  
All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep farkin' everybody 'til they're all the same color.
 
2013-05-13 11:09:13 PM  
I've been checking random boxes since Jr. High.

/what the fark do you mean 'white'?
 
2013-05-13 11:20:21 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Not so much, either legally or in practice:


You do realize that most of us operate in the present, right?
 
2013-05-13 11:44:36 PM  
Temperament, intelligence and values. Over the years, I've noticed that people who share similarities in those traits tend to associate with each other.

Don't get me wrong, human races are as real as dog breeds. But, instead of general races ("white", "black", etc), the historic grouping mechanism was ethnicity which maps more closely to dog breed (see Belgian Malinois versus German Shepherd).

But in an ethnically and racially diverse society, the grouping mechanism then becomes temperament, intelligence and values.
 
2013-05-14 12:33:48 AM  

ShawnDoc: shortymac: My best friend of 10+ years is black, apparently light-colored Black people are "house slaves" and look down upon the darker "field slaves".

I did notice when I visited her at a historical black college that the girls did tend to form into clique's based on how light their skin was, it was very weird.

Its pretty common in a lot of cultures, not just Italians or blacks.  In many Central and South American countries, and Asian countries, dark skin is looked upon badly, because historically those with dark complexions were dark because they had been working in the fields, while those with lighter skin were the upper class who spent most of their time inside.  Just because now skin color has more to do with genetics instead of your position in society, doesn't mean the old prejudices have gone away.

In many Asian countries there's a huge business in "skin whiteners", and you can't turn on the TV for long without seeing a commercial for them or walk into a pharmacy without seeing entire rows dedicated to them.  Also, most TV newscasters and other positions are usually given to those with very white skin, especially amongst women.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9Tx9vVVMWw0 Here's a video of an Indian commercial for a groin whitener.
 
2013-05-14 02:12:27 AM  
My cousin is biracial. Lolol my aunt tried to pass her off as half Mexican to my grandma cause she was incredibly racist. It worked until my cousin's dad and other grandma showed up and they were both black. Oh ho ho that was a fun Christmas. Us kids sat playing with toys in my aunt's bedroom while the adults argued in the kitchen.
 
2013-05-14 04:10:50 AM  
i honestly just check Other and write in Human cause no one believes my bizarre ass family tree...
 
2013-05-14 05:35:19 AM  

ShawnDoc: shortymac: My best friend of 10+ years is black, apparently light-colored Black people are "house slaves" and look down upon the darker "field slaves".

I did notice when I visited her at a historical black college that the girls did tend to form into clique's based on how light their skin was, it was very weird.

Its pretty common in a lot of cultures, not just Italians or blacks.  In many Central and South American countries, and Asian countries, dark skin is looked upon badly, because historically those with dark complexions were dark because they had been working in the fields, while those with lighter skin were the upper class who spent most of their time inside.  Just because now skin color has more to do with genetics instead of your position in society, doesn't mean the old prejudices have gone away.

In many Asian countries there's a huge business in "skin whiteners", and you can't turn on the TV for long without seeing a commercial for them or walk into a pharmacy without seeing entire rows dedicated to them.  Also, most TV newscasters and other positions are usually given to those with very white skin, especially amongst women.


Regarding the Asian preference for white skin, that's weird, but no weirder than people who darken their skin color through sun exposure, pills, creams, and lamps.
 
2013-05-14 06:01:44 AM  

dazed420: You Are All Sheep: J. Frank Parnell: There is really just one race: the human one.

Lies.  A dalmation and a pitbull are both dogs, but significantly different.  Every 'race' of human is slightly different (on the whole) from the other in one way or another.


Dogs belong to the same species grouping just as humans belong to the same species grouping.  By being part of hte same species there can be different character traits but at the end of the day they are still canines or humans are still humans.  The use of race is a way of grouping people into sections based on physical traits but at the end of the day there is only one human race.   Race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.The sooner we get ouf of this race issue the better and accept the fact that we are all humans and that we just have different physical traits which helps to add to diversity.


Fail. No, there is only one human species (currently) but there are multiple races. And race does have taxonomic significance. A good example in taxonomy is found in birds; here the taxonomy clearly delineates races within species based on a combination of physical features and regional distribution (sound familiar?). Just because you do not like the concept of race for humans does not mean that they do not exist. Your other option is to remove the concept of race from all taxonomy but you damn well better apply it to all animals not just humans. But first you have to stop muddling up your terms.

/dabbler in taxonomy
 
2013-05-14 09:06:46 AM  

A Terrible Human: QueenMamaBee: So you've been to Letcher County, Kentucky?

I went there for a wedding several years ago, and I was by far the darkest person in the county. It's like they all live in caves and fear the sun.

Well it makes sense since according to wiki
The racial makeup of the county was 98.71% white.

Where I live the racial makeup is 97% white.


It's a creepy shade of white. I'm white. These people look like Powder. Where I live, the racial makeup is 95% white, but at least people here see the sun.
 
2013-05-14 09:29:34 AM  
How will we know who the victims are and who to give special treatment too???
 
2013-05-14 01:23:29 PM  

diaphoresis: I refuse to acknowledge by multicultural dna. White people get all the breaks, so I am white...

/You wouldn't believe all the money I get


Then you must be a woman. Ain't no love for the white man.
 
2013-05-14 05:48:44 PM  

QueenMamaBee: It's a creepy shade of white. I'm white. These people look like Powder. Where I live, the racial makeup is 95% white, but at least people here see the sun.


Ahahah you'd probably be creeped out by how pale I am,I do go outside and stuff but I've never been able to tan. I just burn or get blisters.
 
2013-05-14 06:46:45 PM  

A Terrible Human: QueenMamaBee: It's a creepy shade of white. I'm white. These people look like Powder. Where I live, the racial makeup is 95% white, but at least people here see the sun.

Ahahah you'd probably be creeped out by how pale I am,I do go outside and stuff but I've never been able to tan. I just burn or get blisters.


I'm the same way.

Despite my Dad being black Irish, I did not inherit the ability to tan at all. I go straight to red.
 
2013-05-14 11:31:10 PM  
I shall play you the songs of my people.
 
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