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(Independent)   Scientists claim a breakthrough in 5G mobile broadband allows movies to be downloaded in seconds. What's a Bieber   ( independent.co.uk) divider line
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2013-05-13 10:53:10 AM  
So what you're saying, subby, is that in 2020 (projected widespread roll-out for 5G) that I'm REALLY going to feel silly without a data plan?

That's a shame, because I'm particularly good at finding and remembering free WiFi spots.
 
2013-05-13 11:39:14 AM  
Oh good.  Something else that will give carriers license to charge even more absurdly high rates based on the idea that you may, theoretically, take advantage of the new technology only to find IT DOESN'T WORK FROM YOUR HOUSE.

But, hey, 7 years from now, it'll be new in the iPhone36.
 
2013-05-13 12:19:18 PM  
Oh, good. You can hit your data cap in 0.1 seconds!
 
2013-05-13 12:21:34 PM  
Hah, by next year carriers will latch on to the term '5G', bastardize the hell out of by increasing their network speeds by 5% and call it a 'marketing term'.  And you still wont be able to get coverage in your house.

/No, your phone doesn't have 4G.
 
2013-05-13 12:25:24 PM  
Well, if "4G" is any indicator, we're not going to see anything close to 1GBps (or even 1 GiBps). Just slap whatever new antenna in there, slap a "5G" decal on the packaging, claim to have upgraded your network, and pray that people remain ignorant of what the standard actually says.
 
2013-05-13 12:25:28 PM  
And we'll still be limited to 2GB per month.
 
2013-05-13 12:25:30 PM  
Do we even have actual 4G yet? When's that rolling out?
 
2013-05-13 12:26:32 PM  
Don't worry, by then AT&T etc will have paid congress to allow a cap of 20GB a month on all data plans with fines of $100 per 10GB afterwards, so the speed becomes meaningless.
 
2013-05-13 12:38:51 PM  
I'm slowly using up what used to be an unlimited data plan to post this. Fark AT&T. Is there any carrier that isn't shiatty?
 
2013-05-13 12:46:58 PM  
I don't believe the carriers own the higher spectrum required to complete this feat. Any Farkers know if they do?
 
2013-05-13 12:51:55 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I'm slowly using up what used to be an unlimited data plan to post this. Fark AT&T. Is there any carrier that isn't shiatty?


Verizon's OK, I've had a decent experience with their customer service at least.  But you're always going to pay out the nose with any of them as there's plenty of collusion in that industry.  I'm surprised they haven't come up with a Charge Fee ability for phones.  Some little program on there that charges you every minute you have the phone turned on.  Hope there aren't any telecomm execs reading this thread.
 
2013-05-13 12:53:33 PM  
The real question should be: does 5G cause cancer to develop in seconds?
 
2013-05-13 12:57:17 PM  
Sprint doesn't even have 4G coverage yet in most of Metro Detroit.  5G?  Riiiiiiight...
 
2013-05-13 01:17:54 PM  
I'm not seeing how 100 times faster than current wireless data results in HD movies downloading in seconds. Not even come close. Maybe if it was 100 times faster than basic landline fiber (or if they're only talking about 720p 2 minute YouTube videos).
 
2013-05-13 01:20:40 PM  
Yeah, "4G" coverage sucks, but who cares if your house has it? Your house has wifi.
 
2013-05-13 01:21:01 PM  
I use Virgin Mobile, which uses Sprint's network. I have a 4G capable phone but no 4G network in my city. Can I at least get that before 5G, please?
 
2013-05-13 01:21:19 PM  
yes faster is better, but I can already stream movies now, so it's not that big of a deal.

I agree with whatever is saying here, have less spotty/shiatty coverage of technology of today!
 
2013-05-13 01:23:16 PM  
So, one step closer to Voice of Planet?
 
2013-05-13 01:26:09 PM  

TheSwizz: Hah, by next year carriers will latch on to the term '5G', bastardize the hell out of by increasing their network speeds by 5% and call it a 'marketing term'.


This. But I'd rather complain that a "Footlong" Subway sandwich is only 11 inches (despite that it is the same amount of bread).
 
2013-05-13 01:27:38 PM  

usernameguy: Oh, good. You can hit your data cap in 0.1 seconds!


THIS.  Screw you AT&T.
 
2013-05-13 01:28:26 PM  

Frozboz: And we'll still be limited to 2GB per month.


limeyfellow: Don't worry, by then AT&T etc will have paid congress to allow a cap of 20GB a month on all data plans with fines of $100 per 10GB afterwards, so the speed becomes meaningless.


Meh...I last year I paid $300 for a Republic Wireless Motorola Defy, and get unlimited 3G voice, text and data for $19 a month. Yep...nineteen dollars. Works great...no complaints.

Here's their coverage map...

www.republicwireless.com
 
2013-05-13 01:29:56 PM  

pkellmey: I don't believe the carriers own the higher spectrum required to complete this feat. Any Farkers know if they do?


And finally someone who knows something about wireless appears!

There wasn't a single mention of spectrum or data throughput per mhz - which is the important part.

LTE is very efficient with spectrum and has a very low latency (for wireless). In theory, right now you could put a MIMO antenna on a smartphone right now and if the carrier wanted to to remove the caps and give you the entire capacity of the tower using 10mhz of spectrum you could download at almost 400Mbs right now.

However that isn't going to happen because we all have to share these wireless networks. If you want these 5G transmission speeds it is going to require a lot more mhz to do it. There just isn't that much more efficiency available. More mhz generally means higher frequencies - 1.5ghz+, which have short ranges and don't penetrate buildings very well. So I'm not holding my breath. We don't need that kind bandwidth for mobile anyway. 50Mbs can do a 4K video stream using h.265. Anyone that needs faster speeds is going to be using fiber in a fixed location.
 
2013-05-13 01:34:36 PM  

Stone Meadow: Frozboz: And we'll still be limited to 2GB per month.

limeyfellow: Don't worry, by then AT&T etc will have paid congress to allow a cap of 20GB a month on all data plans with fines of $100 per 10GB afterwards, so the speed becomes meaningless.

Meh...I last year I paid $300 for a Republic Wireless Motorola Defy, and get unlimited 3G voice, text and data for $19 a month. Yep...nineteen dollars. Works great...no complaints.

Here's their coverage map...

[www.republicwireless.com image 576x345]


That's all fine and good if you don't mind Sprint's crowded network and no LTE. They didn't build out that green area - that's just Sprint's license area. Their EVDO network is terrible right now. Think dial-up speeds in many areas. A friend of mine works for Sprint (Ericsson actually) and if he can't get LTE on his S3 he turns it off. Your expensive phone is 3G only.
 
2013-05-13 01:35:01 PM  

madgonad: Anyone that needs faster speeds is going to be using fiber in a fixed location.


You may want to shy away from making bold statements like that about technology, 640k Memory Bill.

// I don't "need" the internet on my phone at all
// but now that that's a thing, making it faster than Taco Bell diarrhea should be the goal every year
 
2013-05-13 01:46:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: madgonad: Anyone that needs faster speeds is going to be using fiber in a fixed location.

You may want to shy away from making bold statements like that about technology, 640k Memory Bill.

// I don't "need" the internet on my phone at all
// but now that that's a thing, making it faster than Taco Bell diarrhea should be the goal every year


HD video is pretty much the pinnacle of bandwidth demand. It is extremely data intensive. If a decent installation of LTE can do 4K video now, I just don't see the demand for more coming any time soon. Moving large files (terabytes in size) is just not a mobile function. Data stays on the cloud and you download what you need.
 
2013-05-13 01:47:00 PM  

Dr Dreidel: madgonad: Anyone that needs faster speeds is going to be using fiber in a fixed location.

You may want to shy away from making bold statements like that about technology, 640k Memory Bill.


Yeah, because in 7 years we might not even have phones, hopefully Google Glasses will lead people on a path of wearable and implantable technology, so our phones will be eye and ear implants that are thought controlled. So we'll need all the ultra speeds we can find for all the new stuff we don't know of yet. If mankind is alive.
 
2013-05-13 01:48:04 PM  

madgonad: Stone Meadow: Meh...I last year I paid $300 for a Republic Wireless Motorola Defy, and get unlimited 3G voice, text and data for $19 a month.

That's all fine and good if you don't mind Sprint's crowded network and no LTE. They didn't build out that green area - that's just Sprint's license area. Their EVDO network is terrible right now. Think dial-up speeds in many areas. A friend of mine works for Sprint (Ericsson actually) and if he can't get LTE on his S3 he turns it off. Your expensive phone is 3G only.


Yes, as I noted...my phone is 3G. As for Sprint's "crowded" network, I dunno. My calls are never dropped, videos play fine...and I'm in the Bay Area, which must be a torture chamber for a wireless company. My prior carrier was Verizon, where I could have upgraded to an iPhone for $70/mo with a 2 year contract.

Lessee...

Republic: $300 + 24 months at $19/mo = $756, or...

Verizon: Free iPhone 4S + 24 months at $70/mo = $1680 for capped service.

It was a no-brainer for me...YMMV.
 
2013-05-13 01:49:20 PM  

madgonad: There wasn't a single mention of spectrum or data throughput per mhz - which is the important part.


The article on Redmond Pie notes that they were using the 28KHz Ka band.  They mentioned that they were able to achieve 10Gbps using a 400MHz wide channel with a 64 antenna MIMO configuration.

Just for comparison, 802.11ad is supposed to be able to achieve 7Gbps using a 2.1GHz wide channel on the 60GHz E band using a couple of antennas.

I haven't read anything about the FCC auctioning spectrum in those high microwave bands.  Last I've heard is that they're trying to kick the US military out of the 1.7GHz L band.  I think this is all research at the moment.
 
2013-05-13 01:53:35 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Oh good.  Something else that will give carriers license to charge even more absurdly high rates based on the idea that you may, theoretically, take advantage of the new technology only to find IT DOESN'T WORK FROM YOUR HOUSE.

But, hey, 7 years from now, it'll be new in the iPhone36.


I'm waiting on the 36S
 
2013-05-13 01:59:58 PM  
Does everybody else have "4G" but really have "you better not try to watch video" speed?
 
2013-05-13 02:10:00 PM  

Slaxl: Dr Dreidel: madgonad: Anyone that needs faster speeds is going to be using fiber in a fixed location.

You may want to shy away from making bold statements like that about technology, 640k Memory Bill.

Yeah, because in 7 years we might not even have phones, hopefully Google Glasses will lead people on a path of wearable and implantable technology, so our phones will be eye and ear implants that are thought controlled. So we'll need all the ultra speeds we can find for all the new stuff we don't know of yet. If mankind is alive.


As long as we can blink and have our implant take a picture. Cause I was in a store the other day and a woman was wearing a sheer top with some amazing implants of her own. Hubba hubba.
 
2013-05-13 02:21:01 PM  
And the cost from your average carrier will be $60 for 500MB of access, judging by the trend of increasing rates and lower caps.
 
2013-05-13 02:23:51 PM  
so, I can see the scars on the pornstars when I'm fapping on the train? count me in.
 
2013-05-13 02:25:03 PM  
Big TeleComm conspiring to prevent Americans from getting it at a reasonable price in 3, 2, 1..
 
2013-05-13 02:33:32 PM  
I still dislike this meaningless naming structure. 3G, 4G, 5G... I don't really care what generation it is, I want to know how fast it is.
 
2013-05-13 02:37:10 PM  
Wireless speeds so fast you will never speak with people not online again,

Smart phones are a plagu eon humanity to on the internet at home.

Go to the park, play with your kids, have dinner with friends watch movies at home with your family. As mentioned above use.free WiFi hotspots for any heavy data use, carriers charge what te market will allow them to.charge, follow the steps above and the prices of those data plans will come.down.

I'm always baffled on why they charge so much when they make so much money selling your personal details
 
2013-05-13 02:38:03 PM  
Written from my mobile lol
 
2013-05-13 03:16:14 PM  
Which seems almost unnecessarily speedy.

Um, no.
 
2013-05-13 03:40:35 PM  

Dinjiin: madgonad: There wasn't a single mention of spectrum or data throughput per mhz - which is the important part.

The article on Redmond Pie notes that they were using the 28KHz Ka band.  They mentioned that they were able to achieve 10Gbps using a 400MHz wide channel with a 64 antenna MIMO configuration.

Just for comparison, 802.11ad is supposed to be able to achieve 7Gbps using a 2.1GHz wide channel on the 60GHz E band using a couple of antennas.

I haven't read anything about the FCC auctioning spectrum in those high microwave bands.  Last I've heard is that they're trying to kick the US military out of the 1.7GHz L band.  I think this is all research at the moment.


Hmm, 10Gbps using 400mhz of spectrum (current value of this much spectrum isn't even known yet) isn't even as efficient as current MIMO LTE that can get up to 380Mbs using 10mhz. And the range/penetration of 28Ghz is terrible! Maybe a mile or two - tops. Might have trouble penetrating a car.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:39 PM  

madgonad: 10Gbps using 400mhz of spectrum (current value of this much spectrum isn't even known yet) isn't even as efficient as current MIMO LTE that can get up to 380Mbs using 10mhz


I've read that LTE is just shy of 300Mbps using 20MHz channels with a 4×4 MIMO antenna configuration with QAM64 encoding.  LTE Advanced is supposed to bump that up to 3.3Gbps using 100MHz channels, 8×8 MIMO and QAM128*.

That would suggest that their tests were more efficient than LTE, but not as efficient as LTE-A.  Since the article doesn't go into detail about the coding or antenna array configuration they used to achieve 10Gbps, who knows how much that could be pushed.

* some slideshows note the use of QAM256, not QAM128, for LTE-A.
 
2013-05-13 04:13:20 PM  
by movie do they mean .gif? and given how att and verizon squeeze out every penny this probably won't happen until mid century.
 
2013-05-13 04:18:59 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Well, if "4G" is any indicator, we're not going to see anything close to 1GBps (or even 1 GiBps). Just slap whatever new antenna in there, slap a "5G" decal on the packaging, claim to have upgraded your network, and pray that people remain ignorant of what the standard actually says.


Aww, you think anything after 3G actually had a standard - that's cute.
 
2013-05-13 06:44:42 PM  
I get pretty decent 4g speeds with verizon.  I use my phone as a mobile wifi hotspot all the time.. download well over a megabyte a second of data, which is similar to home.
 
2013-05-13 07:25:11 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Oh good.  Something else that will give carriers license to charge even more absurdly high rates based on the idea that you may, theoretically, take advantage of the new technology only to find IT DOESN'T WORK FROM YOUR HOUSE.

But, hey, 7 years from now, it'll be new in the iPhone36.


No shait on this one.  Phone internet has got to be the biggest scam in the history of the world.  30 bucks for pennies worth of service.  All that increasing the speed will do is make it easier to go over your data caps.

/Do you seriously think "unlimited" will stick around?  Don't kid yourself.
 
2013-05-13 07:55:26 PM  

spentshells: Wireless speeds so fast you will never speak with people not online again,

Smart phones are a plagu eon humanity to on the internet at home.

Go to the park, play with your kids, have dinner with friends watch movies at home with your family. As mentioned above use.free WiFi hotspots for any heavy data use, carriers charge what te market will allow them to.charge, follow the steps above and the prices of those data plans will come.down.

I'm always baffled on why they charge so much when they make so much money selling your personal details


Because some executive said: 1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-05-14 01:54:29 AM  

Kazrath: Do you seriously think "unlimited" will stick around? Don't kid yourself.


I think the T-Mobile model where you get a set number of high-speed bytes and an unlimited number of throttled bytes will catch on.
 
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