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(Stabley Times)   Who killed Steve Jobs? It was you and me, and Bill Gates   (stableytimes.com) divider line 149
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2013-05-13 08:44:34 AM
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for H1B coders
Who get killed before they leave Bombay
 
2013-05-13 08:48:50 AM
That's a lot of inaccurate derp to be crammed in just 4 paragraphs.   I wouldn't have thought it possible if I hadn't just read it.

/Also read the source as "stabbey times".
 
2013-05-13 09:04:14 AM
Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.
 
2013-05-13 09:17:07 AM
If I killed Steve Jobs I can only hope that I was well-paid for the job.

But I don't seem to remember any of it.
 
2013-05-13 09:26:50 AM

Babwa Wawa: That's a lot of inaccurate derp to be crammed in just 4 paragraphs.   I wouldn't have thought it possible if I hadn't just read it.

/Also read the source as "stabbey times".


Not just you.
 
2013-05-13 09:27:10 AM

Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.


Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.
 
2013-05-13 09:29:33 AM
Butthurt100
 
2013-05-13 09:35:19 AM

slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.


He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.
 
2013-05-13 09:39:40 AM
Personally, I don't get this belief that Windows was a copycat of Mac OS. Technology builds iteratively. Jobs was inspired by Xerox PARC's mouse-driven UI like the Alto (which came out in the 70s) to create the Macintosh OS. Gates created Windows as a response. X Windows for Linux and Unix came out at around the same time as the Macintosh.
 
2013-05-13 09:50:52 AM
Should have been written as "I shouted out 'Who killed Steve Jobs,' when after Bill, it was you and me."
 
2013-05-13 09:51:41 AM

RexTalionis: Personally, I don't get this belief that Windows was a copycat of Mac OS. Technology builds iteratively.


Only non-technologists ever use this as an argument.  When I encounter it, I use it as a signal that I can safely ignore the conversation.
 
2013-05-13 09:54:13 AM
Or it could be the fact he tried to cure himself with magic crystals and berries he found in the woods. (Seriously)
 
2013-05-13 09:59:52 AM

RexTalionis: slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.

He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.


He was a "fruitarian", actually.  Maybe the Apple brand got to his head.

I remember reading that when Ashton Kutcher was playing Jobs for some movie (might have been made for TV), he tried to copy that fruitarian diet for a short while.  Kutcher was soon hospitalized for pancreas problems.
 
2013-05-13 09:59:59 AM
And an all fruit diet.
 
2013-05-13 10:03:08 AM

RexTalionis: slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.

He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.


Eh, not likely.  Pancreatic cancer generally has an extremely low survival rate, so its really impossible to know whether or not he would've survived.  As far as I know its not really known why pancreatic cancer is so deadly compared to many other cancers, and modern medicine doesn't really have an answer for it yet.  Had a friend of mine lose his mother to it, must've been at most half a year when she passed away after the diagnosis.

/fark cancer
 
2013-05-13 10:04:23 AM
Gonna go ahead and say it was the cancer that killed him.

Also to the author of that article: Steve Jobs is dead, you can stop fellating him any time now.

To the Apple fanboys: $150 million in 1997. Gates kept it alive before you ever thought it was cool.
 
2013-05-13 10:04:58 AM
Anyone dense enough to think Jobs was within 10 tiers of Tesla and makes for an apt comparison has got to be on some truly powerful hallucinogenics. This guy is Hale Bop cult levels of messed up.
 
2013-05-13 10:07:21 AM

Babwa Wawa: Only non-technologists ever use this as an argument.  When I encounter it, I use it as a signal that I can safely ignore the conversation.


It is fascinating that two OS's, based largely off the same studies on usability, ergonomics and such can have vastly different work flows.   It's also ironic that a great deal off effort has gone in to skinning various things in to looking like OS X... but fail utterly to actually work like OS X.

Here;s one for you though: pre-NT Windows is closer to the Xerox PARC stuff than Mac OS was.  Windows being a partial GUI on top of a command line system and not everything could be done through the GUI.
 
2013-05-13 10:08:13 AM
It can be argued that Bill actually helped save apple, by giving them 150 million and a commitment to continue Office for Mac.  Which made their machines more atractive to rank and file business users.


http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-202143.html

lol 1997.  I love th eprediction that Java was going to be a serious competitor to MS.
 
2013-05-13 10:10:03 AM

ianthetexan: To the Apple fanboys: $150 million in 1997. Gates kept it alive before you ever thought it was cool.


Care to expand on that factoring in the importance of the Mac::Office part of that deal over the raw cash/stock?  Maybe?  Guess you didn't know about that one then.

Awwww didums.
 
2013-05-13 10:10:35 AM
Another butthurt apple fanboi article.

I guess both sides visiting Xerox PARC and "borrowing" their UI ideas from there never happened.
 
2013-05-13 10:11:19 AM

Babwa Wawa: RexTalionis: Personally, I don't get this belief that Windows was a copycat of Mac OS. Technology builds iteratively.

Only non-technologists ever use this as an argument.  When I encounter it, I use it as a signal that I can safely ignore the conversation.


I don't understand this comment, are you saying that all new technology products are built completely from scratch with no reference to past products?
 
2013-05-13 10:15:31 AM
what? why the hell am i responsible for buddhism and cancer? i'm a christian and i don't smoke!
 
2013-05-13 10:15:58 AM
I find it ironic and idiotic that the author is comparing Gates to Edison and Jobs to Tesla in this situation.

/Woz is Tesla.
 
kab
2013-05-13 10:16:36 AM
But what we don't spend much time thinking about is what all could have come out of Apple during those fifteen years when Jobs was pushed out of the industry, all the innovation we collectively lost thanks to the fact that Gates' original sin broke the personal computer industry in was supposed to have been its formative years. Why did personal computers turn out to be so buggy, so complicated, so difficult to use? Because a guy who understood the public like Jobs was forced away from the steering wheel by a guy who had no understanding of mainstream users whatsoever.

Delusion at its finest.
 
2013-05-13 10:17:26 AM

Sonneillon: I don't understand this comment, are you saying that all new technology products are built completely from scratch with no reference to past products?


Exactly the opposite.
 
2013-05-13 10:18:09 AM
You didn't get the note that black turtlenecks increase the risk of pancreatic cancer?
 
2013-05-13 10:19:51 AM

kab: Delusion at its finest.


Exceptionally so.  During those years he wasn't at Apple he was busy founding and running NeXT, which did reasonably well for itself when it came to high end workstations.   A lot of the early web stuff was developed/tested on NeXT machines.

How someone could not know about NeXT and consider themselves tech savvy I've no real idea.
 
2013-05-13 10:20:47 AM
THEIR TAKING ERR JERBS!!
 
2013-05-13 10:21:21 AM
Not just butthurt.

Poorly written butthurt
 
2013-05-13 10:22:48 AM

Babwa Wawa: Sonneillon: I don't understand this comment, are you saying that all new technology products are built completely from scratch with no reference to past products?

Exactly the opposite.


Excuse me, I can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. I thought you talking about RexTalionis's argument
 
2013-05-13 10:22:50 AM

kab: But what we don't spend much time thinking about is what all could have come out of Apple during those fifteen years when Jobs was pushed out of the industry, all the innovation we collectively lost thanks to the fact that Gates' original sin broke the personal computer industry in was supposed to have been its formative years. Why did personal computers turn out to be so buggy, so complicated, so difficult to use? Because a guy who understood the public like Jobs was forced away from the steering wheel by a guy who had no understanding of mainstream users whatsoever.

Delusion at its finest.


Wow, and did he honestly use the phrase "original sin"?  Does he think Gates is the "Adam" of the computer world, and destroyed it all when he got too greedy?
 
2013-05-13 10:23:47 AM

kab: But what we don't spend much time thinking about is what all could have come out of Apple during those fifteen years when Jobs was pushed out of the industry, all the innovation we collectively lost thanks to the fact that Gates' original sin broke the personal computer industry in was supposed to have been its formative years. Why did personal computers turn out to be so buggy, so complicated, so difficult to use? Because a guy who understood the public like Jobs was forced away from the steering wheel by a guy who had no understanding of mainstream users whatsoever.

Delusion at its finest.


Apple wouldn't have survived the 80's had Jobs stayed, Jobs also wouldn't have become a billionaire had he not bought Pixar, him being ousted was the best thing to ever happen to the company in the long run
 
2013-05-13 10:23:48 AM

AntonChigger: RexTalionis: slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.

He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.

Eh, not likely.  Pancreatic cancer generally has an extremely low survival rate, so its really impossible to know whether or not he would've survived.  As far as I know its not really known why pancreatic cancer is so deadly compared to many other cancers, and modern medicine doesn't really have an answer for it yet.  Had a friend of mine lose his mother to it, must've been at most half a year when she passed away after the diagnosis.

/fark cancer


He had a neuroendocrine islet tumor in his pancreas.  It was found while he was undergoing a scan for kidney stones and it was still small.  Johns Hopkins website gives a 50-70% survival rate for that type of pancreatic cancer, dependent on early detection.  He wasn't under the same death sentence that Patrick Swayze or Randy Pausch were under.  There is a better than even chance that Jobs would still be alive if he listened to his doctors.
 
2013-05-13 10:24:38 AM
Came for Sympathy, got the quick fix, glad to see someone's on their toes.
 
2013-05-13 10:25:43 AM

Quantumbunny: Anyone dense enough to think Jobs was within 10 tiers of Tesla and makes for an apt comparison has got to be on some truly powerful hallucinogenics. This guy is Hale Bop cult levels of messed up.


This so much. As far as I can tell, Jobs was a great designer of pretty things. The iPod was just an mp3 player made prettier, the iPhone is just a pretty smartphone, etc. His OS is famously based on BSD as well - but you know what they say, good artists borrow, great artists steal.

It's way past time to stop putting Jobs on a pedestal. The guy was a ruthless businessman just like any other - if anything, he was a bigger jerk than average. At least Gates has thrown much more of his personal fortune at poverty, disease, etc.

But yeah, people who are entraced by shiny, pretty things LOVE apple, and that's the work of Steve Jobs. A sort of sorcery.
 
2013-05-13 10:25:43 AM
Stopped reading here,

FTA: Gates stole Jobs' work out from under him and built a career out of copycatting the guy's every move
 
2013-05-13 10:26:19 AM

SN1987a goes boom: I find it ironic and idiotic that the author is comparing Gates to Edison and Jobs to Tesla in this situation.


So much this.

/Woz is Tesla.

Woz is a bit of Tesla. So is Tog. So was Jef Raskin. Atkinson, Hertzfeld -- lots of geniuses on the team. Nobody quite so far off the bell-curve as Tesla, though.

/was thinking TFA deserved no more than 5/10 for obviousness, but here we all are
 
2013-05-13 10:26:41 AM
I think it was Cock Robin.
 
2013-05-13 10:28:06 AM
So derpblogger is pretty much arguing this:

images.tribe.net

Where Bill Gates = Christianity and Steve Jobs = Science.

Yup, he made a rather retarded argument.
 
2013-05-13 10:30:42 AM

adamatari: As far as I can tell, Jobs was a great designer of pretty things.


Except that Jobs wasn't really a designer, more of a design critic, but a very successful one.

The iPod was just an mp3 player made prettier, the iPhone is just a pretty smartphone, etc.

If by "pretty" you mean "able to be used without instruction by people who tossed out the older players in frustration", then I guess you have a point.
 
2013-05-13 10:31:14 AM

AntonChigger: RexTalionis: slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.

He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.

Eh, not likely.  Pancreatic cancer generally has an extremely low survival rate, so its really impossible to know whether or not he would've survived.  As far as I know its not really known why pancreatic cancer is so deadly compared to many other cancers, and modern medicine doesn't really have an answer for it yet.  Had a friend of mine lose his mother to it, must've been at most half a year when she passed away after the diagnosis.

/fark cancer


Warning: Speculation/Anecdote Alert
I believe I have heard that one reason it is so hard to treat is that it is fairly slow-growing and relatively symptom free at first. By the time it has advanced enough to diagnose, it's too late. Slow growing cancers are harder to kill than fast growing ones because there is less to selectively target. Cancer drugs select fast growing cells to kill (which is why your hair falls out on chemo).
 
2013-05-13 10:32:06 AM

trackerbri: AntonChigger: RexTalionis: slayer199: Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.

Even with medical treatment, the mortality rate for pancreatic cancer is very high.  75% after 1 year and 94% after 5.

He actually had a less deadly and slower forming form of pancreatic cancer and he caught it early on enough, however, he spent almost a year dicking around with veganism instead of cancer treatments. If he actually decided to do chemo or surgery when his doctor told him to, he would probably still be alive today.

Eh, not likely.  Pancreatic cancer generally has an extremely low survival rate, so its really impossible to know whether or not he would've survived.  As far as I know its not really known why pancreatic cancer is so deadly compared to many other cancers, and modern medicine doesn't really have an answer for it yet.  Had a friend of mine lose his mother to it, must've been at most half a year when she passed away after the diagnosis.

/fark cancer

He had a neuroendocrine islet tumor in his pancreas.  It was found while he was undergoing a scan for kidney stones and it was still small.  Johns Hopkins website gives a 50-70% survival rate for that type of pancreatic cancer, dependent on early detection.  He wasn't under the same death sentence that Patrick Swayze or Randy Pausch were under.  There is a better than even chance that Jobs would still be alive if he listened to his doctors.


Fair enough, I bow to your superior knowledge on this topic.
 
2013-05-13 10:38:39 AM

Sonneillon: Excuse me, I can't seem to read and comprehend simple English. I thought you talking about RexTalionis's argument


Yeah, I was agreeing with him (or her?).  Anywho, the notion that someone "stole" the GUI from someone else is about as ludicrous as saying that Fermi "stole" from Chadwick.  If people who were serious about technology took that view, then we'd never have made it out of the middle ages.
 
2013-05-13 10:40:30 AM

jfarkinB: SN1987a goes boom: I find it ironic and idiotic that the author is comparing Gates to Edison and Jobs to Tesla in this situation.

So much this.

/Woz is Tesla.

Woz is a bit of Tesla. So is Tog. So was Jef Raskin. Atkinson, Hertzfeld -- lots of geniuses on the team. Nobody quite so far off the bell-curve as Tesla, though.

/was thinking TFA deserved no more than 5/10 for obviousness, but here we all are


True, Jobs did make a regular habit of screwing people over.
 
2013-05-13 10:41:58 AM

Asa Phelps: Steve Jobs killed Steve Jobs by deciding to try and treat Steve Jobs' pancreatic cancer with diet & exercise instead of, you know, medicine.


Came here for this, leaving satisfied. Being arrogant enough to think that, because you make pretty phones, you know better than a cancer specialist is a good way to die painfully.
 
2013-05-13 10:43:33 AM

jfarkinB: If by "pretty" you mean "able to be used without instruction by people who tossed out the older players in frustration", then I guess you have a point.


I have an ancient creative muvo (like 5 years old). It's basically a USB stick. You put music on it, it plays the music. There are people who can't figure this out?

/Yes, I know there are people like that.
//Seriously, it's at least as much "pretty" as "easy to use" that makes Apple popular
 
2013-05-13 10:48:43 AM
I wish all the idiots that are comparing Jobs to Tesla or Edison would just quit it.

Wrap your head around this fact:

Steve didn't know how to program or code computers.
Steve didn't know how computers actually worked.

He was just a really really demanding marketing guy that got ahold of some really good engineers and rode them until they made some great products. However, he really didn't even know how his products worked.
 
2013-05-13 10:50:24 AM

RexTalionis: Personally, I don't get this belief that Windows was a copycat of Mac OS. Technology builds iteratively. Jobs was inspired by Xerox PARC's mouse-driven UI like the Alto (which came out in the 70s) to create the Macintosh OS. Gates created Windows as a response. X Windows for Linux and Unix came out at around the same time as the Macintosh.


The "Gates stole Windows" argument just doesn't fly on the details. Windows was a big improvement over the Mac OS just on the level of pure functionality, not to mention its cross-platform utility, its transparency, and the fact that you could actually fiddle with it. The old DOS era was great, and Microsoft's turn towards Mac-like opacity -replacing simple, informative functions with slick UI elements that tell you nothing and are functionally useless- has been one of the more infuriating aspects of the last 2 decades of GUI development.
 
2013-05-13 10:52:20 AM

ThatGuyGreg: Babwa Wawa: That's a lot of inaccurate derp to be crammed in just 4 paragraphs.   I wouldn't have thought it possible if I hadn't just read it.

/Also read the source as "stabbey times".

Not just you.


Did so as well.
And that is a whole lot of butthurt.
/Troll article for hits is successful?
 
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