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(Planet F1)   How bad are the Pirelli tires in F1 this year? Well, GP2 cars are running about 3 seconds a lap quicker. That's like a Miata beating a Veyron in a drag race   (planetf1.com) divider line 70
    More: Asinine, Pirellis, Spanish Grand Prix, Felipe Massa, Jenson Button, drag racers, Mercedes' Nico Rosberg, Kimi Raikkonen, Miata  
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2013-05-13 04:28:05 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Or they could introduce an all new engine and flip the whole table.

Supposed to be changing to 1.6L turbocharged V6s next year. And if the Russian Grand Prix comes to fruition there should be some amazing dash-cam footage from all the cars.
 
2013-05-13 05:59:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: .UNC_Samurai: We're seeing strategic driving, team orders from everyone - and that's because of the cost of the sport.

Team orders were illegal for a time, only when Ferrari got caught giving them was the rule changed back. It would be nice if they were made illegal again.


CUT OFF THE HEAD
 
2013-05-13 06:12:13 PM  
Spec tires are farking ridiculous, anyway, particularly for F1.  Yeah, go out and spend millions of dollars developing the most exotic, futuristic, car you can, but you gotta put *these* tires on 'em.

It's dumb.  They aught to let them have a limited number of tires for the week, but the only rule regarding them is "must be round."
 
2013-05-13 06:17:01 PM  

Rent Party: Spec tires are farking ridiculous, anyway, particularly for F1.  Yeah, go out and spend millions of dollars developing the most exotic, futuristic, car you can, but you gotta put *these* tires on 'em.

It's dumb.  They aught to let them have a limited number of tires for the week, but the only rule regarding them is "must be round."


I like the old six wheeler. Someone brought it to Laguna Seca for a historic race a few years back. Thing looks wild.
 
2013-05-13 06:24:54 PM  

crotchgrabber: Rent Party: Spec tires are farking ridiculous, anyway, particularly for F1.  Yeah, go out and spend millions of dollars developing the most exotic, futuristic, car you can, but you gotta put *these* tires on 'em.

It's dumb.  They aught to let them have a limited number of tires for the week, but the only rule regarding them is "must be round."

I like the old six wheeler. Someone brought it to Laguna Seca for a historic race a few years back. Thing looks wild.


Completely.   And if they  burn up their tire allotment on three axles, too farkin' bad.   That's racing.
 
2013-05-13 06:52:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Oh, and THANKS ADMINS for not greenlighting one of the two race threads yesterday.  You know we show up for every race - why can't a race thread be greenlit late Saturday night so we know it's up in time for the lights to go out?


+ eleventy

/Please never again deny us our F1 Fark snark
//Gerbils
 
2013-05-13 06:58:49 PM  
You're not allowed to biatch about 'crappy F1tires' unless you drove halfway across the country only to see all but six cars pull into the pits after the formation lap.

/harumph
 
2013-05-13 07:16:35 PM  

GRCooper: You're not allowed to biatch about 'crappy F1tires' unless you drove halfway across the country only to see all but six cars pull into the pits after the formation lap.

/harumph


Blame Ferrari.

FOM had a drivers' agreement to add a chicane to the corner where the tires were getting shredded by the speed. It needed approval by the teams as well.

Guess what team refused.
 
2013-05-13 07:33:43 PM  

Rent Party: Spec tires are farking ridiculous, anyway, particularly for F1.  Yeah, go out and spend millions of dollars developing the most exotic, futuristic, car you can, but you gotta put *these* tires on 'em.

It's dumb.  They aught to let them have a limited number of tires for the week, but the only rule regarding them is "must be round."


What's bad is that by having tires like this you're basically declaring that certain car configurations aren't valid. Instead of letting the teams decide what they want to do and then seeing if it works or not you're saying that certain car set ups, legal though they may be, aren't going to work. So you're taking authority away from the teams to do what they want and basically forcing them to do something they may have no interest in. Course the real fun is, F1 doesn't have a tire supplier for next year yet and I suspect more than a few team principles and drivers will scream bloody murder if it Pirelli gets the deal again or exclusively.
 
2013-05-13 07:58:41 PM  
No surprise there. You can literally *hear* how bad Italian tires are when you're driving. Dago wop wop wop.
 
2013-05-13 11:53:30 PM  

Cybernetic: WhyteRaven74: Cybernetic: A good craftsman never blames his tools.

But a good crafstman has a choice in where to get his tools, F1 teams don't have a choice in where to get tires.

No, but if the tires suck, and there's only one supplier, then the tires suck for everyone. It should be a no-op. You're either good enough to win the race with that equipment, or you're not.

It's different if a car has some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure (blown engine, broken suspension, etc) that is peculiar to that vehicle. But if it's common equipment, then it should be "STFU and win the race."


Have you ever watched a NASCAR race at Talladega and a whole team of cars blow their engines.  I find it quite funny.
 
2013-05-14 12:05:15 AM  

baorao: No surprise there. You can literally *hear* how bad Italian tires are when you're driving. Dago wop wop wop.


*rimshot*
 
2013-05-14 12:11:02 AM  
ALMS thread-jack-ish? American Le Mans Monterey race gallery.

Jensaarai: Best Delta Wing + Corkscrew pic is probably this one.
 
2013-05-14 02:35:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Guelph35: If they weren't driving to a specific tire wear they'd be driving to a fuel consumption number.

Given they don't having refueling that's not too much of an issue.


Well, if the FIA wanted to be right bastards about it, they could mandate fuel tanks that are slightly too small (like they did in 1986 by removing 25 liters), resulting in drivers either running to a fuel number, or risk running out (as happened several times in 1986, particularly at Hockenheim).

/ Or the manufacturers would create more efficient engines
 
2013-05-14 09:39:53 AM  
Pirelli is doing just fine as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure they could make a set that would go race distance, but that wouldn't give us very good races.
 
2013-05-14 10:09:00 AM  

Tsrwedge: ALMS thread-jack-ish? American Le Mans Monterey race gallery.

Jensaarai: Best Delta Wing + Corkscrew pic is probably this one.


Thanks. Those are great!
 
2013-05-14 10:13:06 AM  
As for the topic at hand, Pirelli's racing director just tweeted they will be changing the tires to "bring back 2 to 3 stops" starting out at the Canadian Grand Prix. I guess the right guys complained enough, and will be able to get their advantage back rather than having to adapt. And I thought NASCAR was bad about playing favorites.

Formula 1?

More like Formula WWE.
 
2013-05-14 11:05:11 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Time travel and cloning, I think is feasible - getting everyone to share fairly in the Concorde Agreement, on the other hand, is complete science fiction.


Brilliant!
 
2013-05-14 12:14:07 PM  

Jensaarai: As for the topic at hand, Pirelli's racing director just tweeted they will be changing the tires to "bring back 2 to 3 stops" starting out at the Canadian Grand Prix.


That, and fixing the delamination issue. Sure, it could just be a sudden epidemic of cuts (there is a lot of CF debris out there), but it seems more likely that this particular rubber doesn't bond as well to the 'construction', as they [media] term it.
 
2013-05-14 02:42:58 PM  

Loomy: Jensaarai: As for the topic at hand, Pirelli's racing director just tweeted they will be changing the tires to "bring back 2 to 3 stops" starting out at the Canadian Grand Prix.

That, and fixing the delamination issue. Sure, it could just be a sudden epidemic of cuts (there is a lot of CF debris out there), but it seems more likely that this particular rubber doesn't bond as well to the 'construction', as they [media] term it.


Yeah, I have no problem fixing that issue. It's the decision to change the wear rate of the tires because certain big money teams didn't want to adapt to it which crosses the line.
 
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