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(Bloomberg)   The number of U.S. temporary workers now approaches an all-time record. Actually, in this economy everyone is a temporary worker   (bloomberg.com ) divider line
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2013-05-13 03:17:07 AM  
This is what employers wanted: A temporary workforce.

Congratulations. I hope this works out for everybody. Good luck on qualifying for home loans working as a temp. Of course, if you are a temp, you might need to move around anyway, so why bother trying to buy a home? Just get a really nice car and live in it. That kind of flexibility will make you a real asset to your temporary employers. You can get the kids to becomes temps, as well. That will give you more money for gas and tolls.
 
2013-05-13 03:53:01 AM  
Having freelanced for most of the past 30 years, I'm used to all of this.  It has its disadvantages compared to so-called "permanent" employment, but delusion isn't one of them.  Every one of us is  self-employed or unemployed.

TFA notes that temp workers are still less than 2% of the total work force.  I'm more concerned about the 20.6% of workers who are part-time.  To make ends meet, many need more than one job.  That puts extra strain on them every day, commuting between home, work, maybe home again, then work again, and back home.  I guess the worst would be part-time temp.
 
2013-05-13 05:42:44 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm more concerned about the 20.6% of workers who are part-time. To make ends meet, many need more than one job. That puts extra strain on them every day, commuting between home, work, maybe home again, then work again, and back home. I guess the worst would be part-time temp.


WELCOME TO JAPAN, AMERICA.

The Japanese have been having this problem with their workforce for years.
 
2013-05-13 08:02:24 AM  
Actually, in this life, everything is temporary
 
2013-05-13 08:10:49 AM  
This number is still too low.  We need the workforce to be completely temporary and/or part time so that job creators can save money on benefits and create more temporary and part time jobs.
 
2013-05-13 08:55:17 AM  

Il Douchey: Actually, in this life, everything is temporary


I dunno. Yesterday, motherhood seemed permanent.
 
2013-05-13 09:07:56 AM  
Yep, the executives at the office think all us technical staff are fungible.

Good thing i don't work for those assholes.
 
2013-05-13 09:22:37 AM  
Which is why workers should be organizing more.
 
2013-05-13 09:28:42 AM  
How much does Kelly Services charge the temporary workers for being the only way to get hired by certain companies?
 
2013-05-13 09:33:31 AM  
Robots will fix this problem... Until robots become the problem.
 
2013-05-13 09:36:08 AM  
Just an FYI to employers: shiat like this is why legislation that benefits Joe Widgetmaker is written and passed into law. So don't biatch when it happens.
 
2013-05-13 09:40:45 AM  
Who needs institutional memory?

/what does this server do?
//Who cares. Shut it down and find out.
 
2013-05-13 09:43:34 AM  
I grew up watching Good Times so I was prepared for temporary layoffs, easy-credit ripoffs, scratching and surviving, and hanging in a chow line.

Ain't I lucky I got it?
 
2013-05-13 09:44:08 AM  
More employers are going Temp Staffing or PEO because of Obamacare and other regulations/enforcements.

It's become more and more expensive to actually employ people.
 
2013-05-13 09:50:17 AM  

Asa Phelps: Yep, the executives at the office think all us technical staff are fungible.

Good thing i don't work for those assholes.


Well if you showered more maybe they wouldn't get that impression.
 
2013-05-13 09:51:25 AM  

MugzyBrown: More employers are going Temp Staffing or PEO because of Obamacare and other regulations/enforcements.

It's become more and more expensive to actually employ people.


Universal healthcare takes that cost right off the books.
 
2013-05-13 09:54:12 AM  

verbaltoxin: Universal healthcare takes that cost right off the books.


Depends whose books you're looking at
 
2013-05-13 09:57:18 AM  
I'm working temporarily for 8 hours a day, and zero hours on weekends.
 
2013-05-13 09:59:34 AM  

verbaltoxin: MugzyBrown: More employers are going Temp Staffing or PEO because of Obamacare and other regulations/enforcements.

It's become more and more expensive to actually employ people.

Universal healthcare takes that cost right off the books.


Sure it does, and transfers it right over to the "federal tax" column. The money to cover this universal health care just makes itself right?
 
2013-05-13 10:00:40 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Having freelanced for most of the past 30 years, I'm used to all of this.  It has its disadvantages compared to so-called "permanent" employment, but delusion isn't one of them.  Every one of us is  self-employed or unemployed.

TFA notes that temp workers are still less than 2% of the total work force.  I'm more concerned about the 20.6% of workers who are part-time.  To make ends meet, many need more than one job.  That puts extra strain on them every day, commuting between home, work, maybe home again, then work again, and back home.  I guess the worst would be part-time temp.


I honestly don't know how you people do it.  My sister has worked for Carnegie Mellon University in the past and hopes to get into teaching, but at present she is freelancing.  My uncle is an owner-operator truck driver.  I have seen their tax returns (my dad is the family tax man) and it's absolutely bewildering.  Good on you if you can make it work, but Jesus it's a small miracle that anyone ever can.
 
2013-05-13 10:02:23 AM  

Do the needful: verbaltoxin: MugzyBrown: More employers are going Temp Staffing or PEO because of Obamacare and other regulations/enforcements.

It's become more and more expensive to actually employ people.

Universal healthcare takes that cost right off the books.

Sure it does, and transfers it right over to the "federal tax" column. The money to cover this universal health care just makes itself right?


You're right. Universal healthcare has utterly bankrupted the countries that adopted it.....

 Except that it hasn't and your argument is crap and comes down to, "I'm a selfish coont."
 
2013-05-13 10:03:14 AM  

nekom: My sister has worked for Carnegie Mellon University in the past and hopes to get into teaching, but at present she is freelancing.


It puts into perspective how expensive you are to employ when you're self-employed...and you're still only seeing part of the picture.
 
2013-05-13 10:04:15 AM  
As somebody who has spent the last two years as a temp and had to leave one job because there was a limit on how long temp workers are able to stay, I'm getting a kick out of this... Finally got my current employer to realize it would be better for both of us to just friggin hire me and now the temp agency is pissed that they are losing the free money they get from skimming off of my work. Can't wait until the dust settles on this and I can just do my work...
 
2013-05-13 10:04:21 AM  

Do the needful: verbaltoxin: MugzyBrown: More employers are going Temp Staffing or PEO because of Obamacare and other regulations/enforcements.

It's become more and more expensive to actually employ people.

Universal healthcare takes that cost right off the books.

Sure it does, and transfers it right over to the "federal tax" column. The money to cover this universal health care just makes itself right?


So it's too much of a burden on employers, you don't want to have the government do it with taxes because taxes going towards helping actual human beings are the most wasteful kinds of taxes... I guess lots of people should just fark off and die. Seems the most efficient in both money and time.

We could burn their bodies in some sort of furnace and harness the energy, that would help out.
 
kab
2013-05-13 10:05:31 AM  
The average consumer will complain about wage stagnation, etc, and then happily open his / her wallet for shiat they don't need.

Employers have no real reason to change their tune, because you're not giving them any incentive to do so.
 
2013-05-13 10:07:16 AM  

Fukuzawa: you don't want to have the government do it with taxes because taxes going towards helping actual human beings are the most wasteful kinds of taxes...


Or maybe there's a better, cheaper, more efficient way of solving the problem?
 
2013-05-13 10:07:42 AM  

verbaltoxin: Do the needful: Sure it does, and transfers it right over to the "federal tax" column. The money to cover this universal health care just makes itself right?

You're right. Universal healthcare has utterly bankrupted the countries that adopted it.....

 Except that it hasn't and your argument is crap and comes down to, "I'm a selfish coont."


Are you people high? There is a set amount of money being made, and a set amount of money being spent. Now how you distribute it is up to you. This conversation obviously belongs in the Politics tab and I have no desire to argue about this. Do the needful out.
 
2013-05-13 10:08:05 AM  
legalize all drugs and eliminate urine testing. we'll be the happiest nation on the planet.
 
2013-05-13 10:08:34 AM  

MugzyBrown: Or maybe there's a better, cheaper, more efficient way of solving the problem?


As in such as?
 
2013-05-13 10:09:14 AM  

MugzyBrown: Fukuzawa: you don't want to have the government do it with taxes because taxes going towards helping actual human beings are the most wasteful kinds of taxes...

Or maybe there's a better, cheaper, more efficient way of solving the problem?


If you know what it is, I'm sure there would be a lot of people interested in finding out what it is.
 
2013-05-13 10:09:15 AM  

MugzyBrown: Fukuzawa: you don't want to have the government do it with taxes because taxes going towards helping actual human beings are the most wasteful kinds of taxes...

Or maybe there's a better, cheaper, more efficient way of solving the problem?


Except there's not, because the free market isn't magic like you make it out to be.
 
2013-05-13 10:10:27 AM  

Do the needful: verbaltoxin: Do the needful: Sure it does, and transfers it right over to the "federal tax" column. The money to cover this universal health care just makes itself right?

You're right. Universal healthcare has utterly bankrupted the countries that adopted it.....

 Except that it hasn't and your argument is crap and comes down to, "I'm a selfish coont."

Are you people high? There is a set amount of money being made, and a set amount of money being spent. Now how you distribute it is up to you. This conversation obviously belongs in the Politics tab and I have no desire to argue about this. Do the needful out.


But my money! Somebody is going to take more of my money! How can that possibly benefit me?!

Bye, selfish coont.
 
2013-05-13 10:12:39 AM  
Then you have the self employed people who figure they're not going to work on anything that doesn't at least prospectively offer a few hundred dollars an hour, and then be happy to only make $60k a year rather than busting hump to get the diminishing returns for $70k.

As far as the "people buying too much shiat" thing goes, I went to the mall this weekend. It's like everyone has shrunk, I was at least a foot taller than everyone else. Alienation: The process of realizing that you are an alien on this planet and that's why you don't fit in.
 
2013-05-13 10:15:28 AM  

kab: The average consumer will complain about wage stagnation, etc, and then happily open his / her wallet for shiat they don't need.


Oh, yeah, that's a winning strategy: Blame the imaginary welfare queens and their illusionary big screen teevees.

/Or you could STOP. BLAMING. THE WORKERS.
 
2013-05-13 10:16:50 AM  
Spiffy tag?
 
kab
2013-05-13 10:25:19 AM  

IlGreven: kab: The average consumer will complain about wage stagnation, etc, and then happily open his / her wallet for shiat they don't need.

Oh, yeah, that's a winning strategy: Blame the imaginary welfare queens and their illusionary big screen teevees.

/Or you could STOP. BLAMING. THE WORKERS.


Nowhere in my post did I mention, or even hint at, welfare.  Try projecting less.

My point stands... if a companies are seeing no loss in revenue by doing what they're doing, why would they change anything?   How people collectively spend their money speaks far louder than internet comments, or strongly worded emails.
 
2013-05-13 10:28:16 AM  

doyner: As in such as?


There are countless problems with the health insurance industry, and I don't claim to be able to solve all of them, although you and others think they are... just cover everything and pay for it with other people's money.

*You have laws that make it illegal for a health insurance company to charge different rates to a triathlete and Kirstie Alley.  This makes everbody's premiums higher and discourages health behavior.

Imagine if auto insurance was guaranteed issue and community rated.  I'm sure auto body shops and ER docs would love it.

*You have tax laws that encourage employers to provide employees healthcare, and employment laws that prevent them from implimenting any real ways to control their costs, and soon laws to penalize employers for NOT providing coverage.  They can't refuse to hire old people.  They can't force somebody to go on a diet.  They can't surcharge an employee who is killing their premiums.


Just a couple of examples of how the consumer has been so far removed from the product, which is causing prices to rise through the roof.  Not only do you not purchase the services at the 'retail' level, but most people don't even purchase (or pay for) their insurance.  The people purchasing the insurance has so little they can do the control the cost of their insurance, and then the insurance company can't properly price risks in some cases.

But it's the free market's fault.  And there's so much more federal and state government interference into the system that causes shortages or price inflation, etc, but the solution of course is more intervention, as it always is.
 
2013-05-13 10:33:45 AM  
It's not 2009, anymore, subby. Please eliminate "in this economy" from your lazy vocabulary
 
2013-05-13 10:37:40 AM  
I think a good business to get into right now would be fully-furnished temporary housing. The workers of the future are going to need to be able to pick up and move every six to 18 months. Things like couches and beds and wardrobes are going to be albatrosses. Everyone will always need one, but few people will want to own them and constantly lug them around.
 
2013-05-13 10:43:35 AM  

MugzyBrown: There are countless problems with the health insurance industry, and I don't claim to be able to solve all of them, although you and others think they are... just cover everything and pay for it with other people's money.


You do realize that when your insurance pays for catastrophic health costs for you, it's with other people's money, right?
 
2013-05-13 10:46:45 AM  

Arkanaut: I'm working temporarily for 8 hours a day, and zero hours on weekends.


Good for you. Becoming one of the few.

/Work in IT. My job is 24/7/365. Get paid 8/5/232.
 
2013-05-13 10:50:22 AM  

doyner: You do realize that when your insurance pays for catastrophic health costs for you, it's with other people's money, right?


Did you read my whole post or just want to pick a line out and argue out of context?

Insurance is supposed to be a financial risk transfer.  I pay you $x per month.  In return I get a form of financial stability to protect me from the unexpected.

It's not supposed to be a pass to get everything I want paid for by somebody else.

If I drive like a maniac, my insurance gets more expensive, or even unattainable. If I smoke, over eat, and act like a sloth, for most people there is no consequence to their health insurance.. or national health plan in this case.
 
2013-05-13 10:51:29 AM  

Giltric: How much does Kelly Services charge the temporary workers for being the only way to get hired by certain companies?


in my experience, kelly services is ok.

Robert Half, on the other hand.....if they call you for a temp job, here is how to handle it in 3 easy steps:

Step 1: Feign interest
Step 2: Laugh at the rate
Step 3: Thank them for wasting your time, and hang up
 
2013-05-13 10:53:23 AM  

MugzyBrown: doyner: You do realize that when your insurance pays for catastrophic health costs for you, it's with other people's money, right?

Did you read my whole post or just want to pick a line out and argue out of context?

Insurance is supposed to be a financial risk transfer.  I pay you $x per month.  In return I get a form of financial stability to protect me from the unexpected.

It's not supposed to be a pass to get everything I want paid for by somebody else.

If I drive like a maniac, my insurance gets more expensive, or even unattainable. If I smoke, over eat, and act like a sloth, for most people there is no consequence to their health insurance.. or national health plan in this case.


I take it you've never been denied coverage for something, like a birth defect or condition you had 5 years ago while working for another employer.
 
2013-05-13 11:00:09 AM  
Let me first say that I am stating this as experience and not verification or opinion.

My daughter has a car payment and she worked for a place  part time.  She was consistently getting 28 - 32 hours a week which provided income enough for some classes, her furniture payment and her car payment with money left over.  I provide her insurance as she's 19 and allowed.

She was recently told, in the past couple months, that they can no longer allow part time workers more than 22 hours.  Their reason was because they would otherwise have to provide health insurance.  25 hours is the cutoff, according to what they said, but they didn't want to take chances on OT.

Because of this limitation, she now has to either quit school or get a second job...which will limit her ability to go to school.  Yes, she could stop the furniture payments and car payments but that would be the worse decision right now.  Otherwise, all payments will fall on me and I'm already making $1100 less take home per month than I was three years ago due to tax increases.

Opinion:

This will be lauded as Obama increasing jobs.  Yes, he did, but not on a livable wage...especially at 22 hours max per job.
 
2013-05-13 11:01:10 AM  

Giltric: How much does Kelly Services charge the temporary workers for being the only way to get hired by certain companies?


I got my current job through Kelly, and went temp-to-perm without much of a hitch.  What's this about "charging"?
 
2013-05-13 11:02:04 AM  

WhoGAS: Let me first say that I am stating this as experience and not verification or opinion.

My daughter has a car payment and she worked for a place  part time.  She was consistently getting 28 - 32 hours a week which provided income enough for some classes, her furniture payment and her car payment with money left over.  I provide her insurance as she's 19 and allowed.

She was recently told, in the past couple months, that they can no longer allow part time workers more than 22 hours.  Their reason was because they would otherwise have to provide health insurance.  25 hours is the cutoff, according to what they said, but they didn't want to take chances on OT.

Because of this limitation, she now has to either quit school or get a second job...which will limit her ability to go to school.  Yes, she could stop the furniture payments and car payments but that would be the worse decision right now.  Otherwise, all payments will fall on me and I'm already making $1100 less take home per month than I was three years ago due to tax increases.

Opinion:

This will be lauded as Obama increasing jobs.  Yes, he did, but not on a livable wage...especially at 22 hours max per job.


so its Obama's fault that your daughter's boss is an asshole.

How about she gets a new job?
 
2013-05-13 11:03:28 AM  

dumbobruni: I take it you've never been denied coverage for something, like a birth defect or condition you had 5 years ago while working for another employer.


The way a healthy insurance market performs is you seek reimbursement from the policy in effect when the conditions first appeared/treatment was saught.

When you have a screwed up market where people are dropping in and out of the insurance pool because insurance is attached to their job, and it's too expensive to pay for outside of the work place, and people are irresponsible and drop off coverage when they're 20 and healthy, you get hit with these exclusions.
 
2013-05-13 11:06:33 AM  

kab: Employers have no real reason to change their tune, because you're not giving them any incentive to do so.


This.  I won't defend the sociopathic decisions companies make, but people sort of expect change without any real reason driving that expectation beyond "life ain't fair".  You can't win a game when the deck's stacked against you, but as long as you're forced to play, you can do a lot better with a realistic understanding of how it works than under the premise of entitlements you know you don't have.

moothemagiccow: It's not 2009, anymore, subby. Please eliminate "in this economy" from your lazy vocabulary


And this.  Employers aren't doing this because of economic conditions; they're doing this because they can.
 
2013-05-13 11:08:53 AM  

dumbobruni: so its Obama's fault that your daughter's boss is an asshole.

How about she gets a new job?


Yes it is.  When you create incentives for people do limit their employees to under 25 hrs per week, why do you blame the employers?

Like many medium/small businesses who are currently hovering around 45 employees.  The government has made it a huge deal once you hit 50, so what do you do?  Maybe you get interns or temps to help with work load or just stretch your current employees to help, because hitting that magical 50 number may cause more problems then it's worth.  (FMLA, ACA)
 
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