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(The Daily Beast)   A ragtag band of American GIs, French prisoners, and German soldiers defends an Austrian castle from the SS. Quentin Tarantino's latest script? Nope; it's an actual battle fought right after Hitler's suicide in 1945   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 17
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2013-05-13 03:56:28 AM  
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 My grandfather was a POW in that area, though not at that particular spot, and he said things got very weird at the end; soldiers from both sides trying to help each other get to US lines and safety, and all trying to avoid the few loyal Nazi officers still roaming about. The POW's avoiding them as the officers were under orders to execute them, the Germans as they didn't want to get rounded up for 'scorched earth' and 'last stand' suicide missions.
 All the Germans wanted to do was get to US lines to avoid the Soviets, or just to get to whatever sector their families were in before the country got carved up by all the different factions that were moving in.
2013-05-13 07:10:32 AM  
3 votes:
Please, please don't let Tarantino produce this. He'll have Uma Thurman doing her toenails for 15 minutes while a battle is going on outside, with regular closeups of her left pinkie toe. The SS troops will be shown accompanied by The Gimp, and- ohmigod, I can't bear to think what other crap will be ejected from that warped brain.
2013-05-13 09:54:55 AM  
2 votes:
Nice story, but this was not the last battle of the war.  The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.   The fighting took place around city of Trieste in May 1945.  The late Col David Hackworth was an 18 year old GI who took part in the fighting.

After WWI the Italians were awarded control of  almost all of the coastal areas of what is today Slovenia and Croatia at the treaty of Versailles, even though the majority of the population in these places were Slavic and not Italian.  The Italians then proceeded to ethnically cleanse or  "Italianize" the local population.

After the Italian capitulation in 1943, Mussolini's fascist troops abandoned their posts on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic and scampered off back to Italy.  German troops than occupied those areas.  Between 1943 and 1945 Tito's partisans slowly rolled up the Germans and pushed them out.   By April 1945 the Partisans were on the outskirts of Trieste.

Churchill did not want the Yugoslavs in control of half of the Adriatic.  He wanted these areas to return to Italian control after the war.   Tito had other ideas.  Churchill ordered retaliatory bombing of many Yugoslav coastal cities.  For example, 70% of the City of Zadar was destroyed by RAF bombers AFTER the Germans had retreated.

It was clear to the Americans and British that they would not be able to dislodge the partisans from the coastal areas without launching another major military campaign, so they drew a red line around Trieste and said, "No further".   The fighting took place in 1945 and ended in stalemate.  The issue was eventually settled by a 4 nation panel:  USA, Britain, France and the USSR.   Trieste itself was awarded to the Italians, while the suburbs around the city were given over to the Yugoslavs.

What happened to the former Italian "lords" who were stupid enough to remain on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic after the war?  Google, "Foibe massacres" to find out.

Remind me to tell you the story about how the Russians used ex-Nazi nuke scientists to help them prepare the uranium that went into the first Russian nuke bombs.

This not the kind of history you're going to get in school, kids.
2013-05-13 07:59:15 AM  
2 votes:
I miss you, Lee Marvin.
2013-05-13 03:40:44 AM  
2 votes:
Wow. That would make a good movie.
2013-05-13 01:13:35 AM  
2 votes:
Someone needs to make that an Advanced Squad Leader Scenario and come up with rules for Pissed Off French Wife squads.
2013-05-13 02:11:58 PM  
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: When this becomes a movie, it should be Tarantino.

Please don't let McG, Michael Bay or Tom Cruise near this.  Spielberg couldn't do it right either.


If you want something to even closely resemble history as it actually happened, the last man you should have in mind for the job is Quentin Tarantino.  He literally only understands the world through the filter of exploitation movies.  He'd be terrible at this one.
2013-05-13 01:56:21 PM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


You have to remember the attitude that pervades with the greatest generation concerning Japan.

They sneak attacked us. They blew a large portion of the pacific fleet to kingdom come; plus they killed a lot of fighting men and probably a few civilians in the mix.

It was the 9/11 of the 1940's. It's one of the most important days in American history. I'd say one of the top 15; at the least.

/ most of the greatest generation haven't ever forgiven Japan, or ever will. Sort of like a large number of us haven't and won't forgive Muslims.

// at least we haven't tossed them into internment camps
2013-05-13 01:45:03 PM  
1 votes:

LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.


Germans are white. Just sayin'
2013-05-13 11:51:18 AM  
1 votes:

Fissile: This text is now purple: LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.

The American-German interactions had a very different tenor from German-Russian or Japanese-American interactions.

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I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended.  His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there.   The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.


Yeah, they sure weren't. Of course, some people say this was just revenge, but they fail to explain what revenge, exactly, was it for their behavior in '39-'41.

CSB:

My grandmother had her camera stolen by French troops, of all things. She had fled the Soviets and a friend of hers kept pushing her to go further and further west until she finally ended up in western Bavaria.

/CSB
2013-05-13 11:06:10 AM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.

The American-German interactions had a very different tenor from German-Russian or Japanese-American interactions.


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I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended.  His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there.   The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.
2013-05-13 10:08:00 AM  
1 votes:
Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."
2013-05-13 08:39:01 AM  
1 votes:

Public Savant: CarnySaur: Leo DiCaprio
Tobey Maguire
Shia LaBoeuf
Zac Efron
Taylor Lautner
Lindsay Lohan
Kristen Stewart

How about no? Does no work for you?

Guy Pearce
Liam Cunningham
Claudia Black
Wil Wheaton
Nolan Gerard Funk
Brian J. Smith
Dominic Zamprogna
Sandy Sidhu
Zak Santiago


Michael Fassbender
Til Schweiger
Ulrich Matthes
Christian Berkel
Thomas Kretschmann
2013-05-13 05:59:22 AM  
1 votes:
I had read a novel that had been written in the 1960's based on this story a while back.  Involved the novel use of a 17th century cannon among other things.
2013-05-13 05:43:09 AM  
1 votes:
Here are the basic facts: on 5 May 1945-five days after Hitler's suicide-three Sherman tanks from the 23rd Tank Battalion of the U.S. 12th Armored Division under the command of Capt. John C. 'Jack' Lee Jr., Sgt "Oddball".

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2013-05-13 03:55:40 AM  
1 votes:
Tarantino needs a role.

"You see a sign in front of my castle saying "dead Nazi storage?"
2013-05-13 03:48:51 AM  
1 votes:
Leo DiCaprio
Tobey Maguire
Shia LaBoeuf
Zac Efron
Taylor Lautner
Lindsay Lohan
Kristen Stewart
 
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