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(The Daily Beast)   A ragtag band of American GIs, French prisoners, and German soldiers defends an Austrian castle from the SS. Quentin Tarantino's latest script? Nope; it's an actual battle fought right after Hitler's suicide in 1945   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 112
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2013-05-13 09:48:22 AM  

CarnySaur: Leo DiCaprio
Tobey Maguire
Shia LaBoeuf
Zac Efron
Taylor Lautner
Lindsay Lohan
Kristen Stewart


I hope those names belong to the bodies that they find in the moat.
 
2013-05-13 09:54:55 AM  
Nice story, but this was not the last battle of the war.  The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.   The fighting took place around city of Trieste in May 1945.  The late Col David Hackworth was an 18 year old GI who took part in the fighting.

After WWI the Italians were awarded control of  almost all of the coastal areas of what is today Slovenia and Croatia at the treaty of Versailles, even though the majority of the population in these places were Slavic and not Italian.  The Italians then proceeded to ethnically cleanse or  "Italianize" the local population.

After the Italian capitulation in 1943, Mussolini's fascist troops abandoned their posts on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic and scampered off back to Italy.  German troops than occupied those areas.  Between 1943 and 1945 Tito's partisans slowly rolled up the Germans and pushed them out.   By April 1945 the Partisans were on the outskirts of Trieste.

Churchill did not want the Yugoslavs in control of half of the Adriatic.  He wanted these areas to return to Italian control after the war.   Tito had other ideas.  Churchill ordered retaliatory bombing of many Yugoslav coastal cities.  For example, 70% of the City of Zadar was destroyed by RAF bombers AFTER the Germans had retreated.

It was clear to the Americans and British that they would not be able to dislodge the partisans from the coastal areas without launching another major military campaign, so they drew a red line around Trieste and said, "No further".   The fighting took place in 1945 and ended in stalemate.  The issue was eventually settled by a 4 nation panel:  USA, Britain, France and the USSR.   Trieste itself was awarded to the Italians, while the suburbs around the city were given over to the Yugoslavs.

What happened to the former Italian "lords" who were stupid enough to remain on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic after the war?  Google, "Foibe massacres" to find out.

Remind me to tell you the story about how the Russians used ex-Nazi nuke scientists to help them prepare the uranium that went into the first Russian nuke bombs.

This not the kind of history you're going to get in school, kids.
 
2013-05-13 10:04:44 AM  

CarnySaur: Leo DiCaprio
Tobey Maguire
Shia LaBoeuf
Zac Efron
Taylor Lautner
Lindsay Lohan
Kristen Stewart


Nah.

Mike Meyers
Eddie Murphy
Mike Meyers
Eddie Murphy
Eddie Murphy
Eddie Murphy
Mike Meyers
Mike Meyers
SS played by 88 CGI Peter Sellers
Eddie Murphy
 
2013-05-13 10:08:00 AM  
Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."
 
2013-05-13 10:20:39 AM  
What constitutes a castle in Australia?
 
2013-05-13 10:23:53 AM  

vygramul: vossiewulf: Someone needs to make that an Advanced Squad Leader Scenario and come up with rules for Pissed Off French Wife squads.

They don't already exist?

I remember walking out of Saving Private Ryan and someone observing that the bridge battle is a really hard scenario to win as the Americans in ASL.


I'm pretty sure if all directions were in hand signals, the Americans might be seen by the Germans who would know what they were about to do, especially in such a visible place as the top of a bridge.
 
2013-05-13 10:41:58 AM  
notmtwain: upload.wikimedia.org

// Loved the real VW bug in the moat.  CGI just wouldn't cut it.

"the impotent Count hopes they will defend against the advancing Germans as well as, he also hopes, impregnate the Countess"

Oh my.
 
2013-05-13 10:42:56 AM  

Fissile: The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.


www.wearysloth.com

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2013-05-13 10:43:21 AM  
As someone who just got done re-reading Band of Brothers this weekend, I'm getting a kick out of finding out about this book.
 
2013-05-13 10:44:13 AM  

mad_prophet_tx: What constitutes a castle in Australia?


Pretty much every tenth house.
 
2013-05-13 10:45:26 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."



So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.
 
2013-05-13 10:49:42 AM  
DIRECTED BY UWE BOLL
 
2013-05-13 10:55:59 AM  

LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.


The American-German interactions had a very different tenor from German-Russian or Japanese-American interactions.
 
2013-05-13 11:06:05 AM  
Were the SS troops trying to summon a demon?
www.craveonline.com
 
2013-05-13 11:06:10 AM  

This text is now purple: LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.

The American-German interactions had a very different tenor from German-Russian or Japanese-American interactions.


=======================

I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended.  His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there.   The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.
 
2013-05-13 11:26:17 AM  
Fissile
I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended. His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there. The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.

The casualties in the US was about 300-400,000. Millions for the Russians depending on how you want to count.
 
2013-05-13 11:32:39 AM  
first 2 things i thought of:

upload.wikimedia.org

watchesinmovies.info
 
2013-05-13 11:36:21 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


My father enjoyed the movie, and he was there.
 
2013-05-13 11:42:18 AM  

FlashHarry: Fissile: The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

approves!


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Chetnik, not Partisan.
 
2013-05-13 11:43:02 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Fissile
I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended. His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there. The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.

The casualties in the US was about 300-400,000. Millions for the Russians depending on how you want to count.


To say nothing of the destruction of property and infrastructure. The Nazis torpedoed our shipping and perpetrated a few minor attacks on the US mainland, but they never occupied, incinerated, or enslaved our civilian population. We only formally entered the war in Europe after Hitler declared us their enemy. On the other hand, the Russian civilians took a savage beating at the hands of the Nazis and that drove the Red Army's vengeance when they counter attacked.
 
2013-05-13 11:43:10 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


"Der Untergang" was criticized for humanizing Hitler.
 
2013-05-13 11:45:18 AM  

simplicimus: mad_prophet_tx: What constitutes a castle in Australia?

Pretty much every tenth house.


Eddie Izzard on Castles
 
2013-05-13 11:51:18 AM  

Fissile: This text is now purple: LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.

The American-German interactions had a very different tenor from German-Russian or Japanese-American interactions.

=======================

I have a friend whose late father was a in grade school in Germany when the war ended.  His recollection of the US troops he encountered was that they seem to be annoyed that they had to be there.   The Russians, on the other hand, weren't so pleasant.


Yeah, they sure weren't. Of course, some people say this was just revenge, but they fail to explain what revenge, exactly, was it for their behavior in '39-'41.

CSB:

My grandmother had her camera stolen by French troops, of all things. She had fled the Soviets and a friend of hers kept pushing her to go further and further west until she finally ended up in western Bavaria.

/CSB
 
2013-05-13 12:00:32 PM  
I'd like to see Christopher Nolan direct (or at least produce) a hard-R war film with an ensemble international cast of A-listers.

Jean Reno
Gerard Depardieu
Vincent Cassel
Marion Cotillard
Audrey Tatou
Michael Fassbender
Christoph Waltz

^^Now throw in DiCaprio, maybe Christian Bale as the hard-drinking, unconventional American Captain, give them all automatic weapons, and have them bicker and make wisecracks in three different languages while gunning down Nazis in a medieval castle with a bit of gratuitous French nudity thrown in....

www.shellypalmer.com
 
2013-05-13 12:03:01 PM  
And once Hollywood gets a hold of it. It will be trashed beyond all recognition.
 
2013-05-13 12:17:56 PM  

stuffy: And once Hollywood gets a hold of it. It will be trashed beyond all recognition.


Yep, they'll be sheltering the Von Trapp family in the castle.
 
2013-05-13 12:24:56 PM  

simplicimus: stuffy: And once Hollywood gets a hold of it. It will be trashed beyond all recognition.

Yep, they'll be sheltering the Von Trapp family in the castle.


Pearl Harbor showed us that it's important to have a love interest in the story.
 
2013-05-13 12:34:24 PM  

ronaprhys: simplicimus: stuffy: And once Hollywood gets a hold of it. It will be trashed beyond all recognition.

Yep, they'll be sheltering the Von Trapp family in the castle.

Pearl Harbor showed us that it's important to have a love interest in the story.


What other reason is there to cast women in movies than to provide a love interest for the male protagonist?
 
2013-05-13 12:49:46 PM  

BenJammin: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

My father enjoyed the movie, and he was there.


Was your father Japanese?
 
2013-05-13 12:53:36 PM  
Just bought it. I love books like this.
 
2013-05-13 01:03:17 PM  

AlanSmithee: BenJammin: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."

My father enjoyed the movie, and he was there.

Was your father Japanese?


He was with the marine invasion.
 
2013-05-13 01:05:19 PM  

BenJammin: My father enjoyed the movie, and he was there.

Was your father Japanese?

He was with the marine invasion.


So were the Japanese. =)
 
2013-05-13 01:17:56 PM  

vygramul: Yeah, they sure weren't. Of course, some people say this was just revenge, but they fail to explain what revenge, exactly, was it for their behavior in '39-'41.


So very much this.  The Katyn Massacre happened in 1940, before Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union.  In fact, they were buddy-buddy then.
 
2013-05-13 01:42:35 PM  

dittybopper: Deep Contact: I miss Col. Klink.

You should spend more time on the range.  Maybe check to make sure the bases for your scope mount aren't loose.


I KNOW NOTHING!

I KNOW NOTHING!

NOTHING!
 
2013-05-13 01:45:03 PM  

LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.


Germans are white. Just sayin'
 
2013-05-13 01:56:21 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


You have to remember the attitude that pervades with the greatest generation concerning Japan.

They sneak attacked us. They blew a large portion of the pacific fleet to kingdom come; plus they killed a lot of fighting men and probably a few civilians in the mix.

It was the 9/11 of the 1940's. It's one of the most important days in American history. I'd say one of the top 15; at the least.

/ most of the greatest generation haven't ever forgiven Japan, or ever will. Sort of like a large number of us haven't and won't forgive Muslims.

// at least we haven't tossed them into internment camps
 
2013-05-13 02:00:49 PM  

UNC_Samurai: vossiewulf: Someone needs to make that an Advanced Squad Leader Scenario and come up with rules for Pissed Off French Wife squads.

E144.1:  Irregular unit: Battalion Pissé Épouses Français.  This unit ignores the normal restrictions for infantry according to Chapter B's Terrain Chart.  The attack factor increasing with each step loss is intentional and is not a printing error.  Attempts to apply E133.4 ("Make Me a Sandwich" LOSS/GAIN TABLE) will result in tethered Command counters losing steps according to QRDC Close Combat Table.


Also need a rule for the deadly "does this make me look fat?" close combat, with any response leading to random step losses.
 
2013-05-13 02:11:58 PM  

Enemabag Jones: When this becomes a movie, it should be Tarantino.

Please don't let McG, Michael Bay or Tom Cruise near this.  Spielberg couldn't do it right either.


If you want something to even closely resemble history as it actually happened, the last man you should have in mind for the job is Quentin Tarantino.  He literally only understands the world through the filter of exploitation movies.  He'd be terrible at this one.
 
2013-05-13 02:26:37 PM  

mad_prophet_tx: What constitutes a castle in Australia?


imageshack.us
 
2013-05-13 02:36:15 PM  

Fissile: FlashHarry: Fissile: The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

approves!

=============

Chetnik, not Partisan.


been a while since i've seen the movie.
 
2013-05-13 03:02:23 PM  
I'm thinking Michael Mann.

Not going to try and throw out casting suggestions without reading the book first, but Michael Mann has the chutzpah and the willingness to go un-Hollywood gritty that could make this THE WWII film since SPR.
 
2013-05-13 03:28:54 PM  

Archie Goodwin: Here are the basic facts: on 5 May 1945-five days after Hitler's suicide-three Sherman tanks from the 23rd Tank Battalion of the U.S. 12th Armored Division under the command of Capt. John C. 'Jack' Lee Jr., Sgt "Oddball".

[boards.cannabis.com image 200x186]

/Woof


Kelly's Heroes, right? I liked that movie.
 
2013-05-13 03:54:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: LL316: Lando Lincoln: Many Americans don't like stories about how Axis soldiers were human beings.

My dad was very offended by Letters from Iwo Jima, because it "humanized the Japs."


So...Band of Brothers wasn't widely acclaimed?  That book/show had plenty of moments humanizing the Germans.  I don't remember any hoopla about it.

Germans are white. Just sayin'


It was more than that.  *MUCH* more than that, and it was largely Japan's fault due to their own actions,   prior to attacking the US, because of the manner in which they attacked the US, and also to their actions during the war with the US itself.

Sure, racism in the US played a part, but overall, it was a minor bit part.  Cartoons of people with buck teeth and thick glasses are less offensive to the humanity of your opponent than performing vivisection on living prisoners of war.
 
2013-05-13 03:57:12 PM  

cynicalbastard: Please, please don't let Tarantino produce this. He'll have Uma Thurman doing her toenails for 15 minutes while a battle is going on outside, with regular closeups of her left pinkie toe. The SS troops will be shown accompanied by The Gimp, and- ohmigod, I can't bear to think what other crap will be ejected from that warped brain.


This guy?

images4.wikia.nocookie.netimages2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-13 04:04:25 PM  

98K514: What other reason is there to cast women in movies than to provide a love interest for the male protagonist?


Titties
 
2013-05-13 04:11:24 PM  

Fissile: Nice story, but this was not the last battle of the war.  The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other.   The fighting took place around city of Trieste in May 1945.  The late Col David Hackworth was an 18 year old GI who took part in the fighting.

After WWI the Italians were awarded control of  almost all of the coastal areas of what is today Slovenia and Croatia at the treaty of Versailles, even though the majority of the population in these places were Slavic and not Italian.  The Italians then proceeded to ethnically cleanse or  "Italianize" the local population.

After the Italian capitulation in 1943, Mussolini's fascist troops abandoned their posts on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic and scampered off back to Italy.  German troops than occupied those areas.  Between 1943 and 1945 Tito's partisans slowly rolled up the Germans and pushed them out.   By April 1945 the Partisans were on the outskirts of Trieste.

Churchill did not want the Yugoslavs in control of half of the Adriatic.  He wanted these areas to return to Italian control after the war.   Tito had other ideas.  Churchill ordered retaliatory bombing of many Yugoslav coastal cities.  For example, 70% of the City of Zadar was destroyed by RAF bombers AFTER the Germans had retreated.

It was clear to the Americans and British that they would not be able to dislodge the partisans from the coastal areas without launching another major military campaign, so they drew a red line around Trieste and said, "No further".   The fighting took place in 1945 and ended in stalemate.  The issue was eventually settled by a 4 nation panel:  USA, Britain, France and the USSR.   Trieste itself was awarded to the Italians, while the suburbs around the city were given over to the Yugoslavs.

What happened to the former Italian "lords" who were stupid enough to remain on the Yugoslav side of the Adriatic after ...


At least not in public school.

Back in the early 60's in junior high and high school, the official California textbook version of WWII had "United Nations troops" fighting and conquering the Germans, Italians and Japanese. Seriously, folks. UN troops. Not one single mention of United States troops.

My high school history teacher also told the class that Truman atom bombed the Japanese after they had surrendered, and that it was done to intimidate the peaceful Russians because we wanted to invade them. He also mentioned our naked war of aggression in Vietnam (this was 1966) against a peaceful agrarian society and urged us to protest the war.
 
2013-05-13 04:21:43 PM  
What would a fleet of upper-level GM products do with a castle anyway?
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-13 04:29:14 PM  
I'd like to breach her castle walls.
spacebison.com
 
2013-05-13 04:30:25 PM  

98K514: ronaprhys: simplicimus: stuffy: And once Hollywood gets a hold of it. It will be trashed beyond all recognition.

Yep, they'll be sheltering the Von Trapp family in the castle.

Pearl Harbor showed us that it's important to have a love interest in the story.

What other reason is there to cast women in movies than to provide a love interest for the male protagonist?


They will probably have one of the french women know one of the GI's from years back and their romance will be rekindled and he and the husband will fight one will die in the attack and she goes wit hthe winner.
 
2013-05-13 04:38:47 PM  

Fissile: The last battles of WWII took place between the US and British Armies on one side, and their erstwhile allies, Tito and his communist partisans, on the other. The fighting took place around city of Trieste in May 1945.


Apparently you missed that whole atomic bomb business over in Japan in August.
 
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