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(Rochester Post Bulletin)   Man makes handwritten copy of the Bible. In the meantime, some upstart named Gutenberg also started making copies of it   (postbulletin.com) divider line 157
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2013-05-13 07:59:32 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Ishkur: PC LOAD LETTER: If the Crusades had today's weapons, do you think that would still hold true?

We don't need the Crusades to what-if our arguments. The Wars of the Reformation killed more people than both World Wars combined.

There's no hate like Catholic/Protestant hate.

Hostilities fizzle out without a "my god can kick your god's assl" element.


Like Ghenghis Khan? Fun fact: the population of Afghanistan didn't recover from the Mongol Invasion until the 1800s.
 
2013-05-13 09:04:23 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Like Ghenghis Khan? Fun fact: the population of Afghanistan didn't recover from the Mongol Invasion until the 1800s.


Which one? The Mongols invaded it three separate times. There was Temujin (Genghis) in 1250, Timur (aka Tamerlane) in 1387, and finally Babur (founder of the Moghul empire) in 1510 who did most of the damage.

All three are related. It was a family dynasty that tromped around Asia for 400 years unchallenged.
 
2013-05-13 10:52:29 PM  
Let's face it, no one does genocide like the Unitarians, except maybe the Quakers.
 
2013-05-14 12:17:28 AM  
What an idiot! That is all I can think...
 
2013-05-14 12:41:37 AM  

Ishkur: now, am I talking about Jesus Christ or Joseph Stalin?


Neither, Christ even said he wasn't God.
Stalin, while powerful, never reached the godhood level.
So neither one is a deity, nice try though.
Just being worshipped isn't enough, or Jim Jones would be a deity.
/you're quoting 1984.
//yay
 
2013-05-14 01:26:52 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Just being worshipped isn't enough


Actually, that's all that matters. Not being a god is irrelevant if the people think you are one.
 
2013-05-14 04:53:45 AM  

Ishkur: /now, am I talking about Jesus Christ or Joseph Stalin?
//Neither. This paraphrase is from Orwell's 1984, but you are free to fill in the blanks with whatever deity you love most


Kurmudgeon: Neither

/you're quoting 1984.

Boy, how'd you figure that out?

Anyway, Ishkur is completely correct. Totalitarian leaders are deified to an extent, they replace one religion with another. They may not worship the same gods, but they have a religion, and the religion is themselves. Then just like any other religion they try to surpress competing religions. Like the Pharoahs of ancient Egypt and monarchs through the ages they get their legitimacy by claiming authority from a higher power, or indeed being that higher power. So it's not about the state being worshipped, it's the leader who gets worshipped.

Ishkur: PC LOAD LETTER: If the Crusades had today's weapons, do you think that would still hold true?

We don't need the Crusades to what-if our arguments. The Wars of the Reformation killed more people than both World Wars combined.

There's no hate like Catholic/Protestant hate.


Did they, though? Some 40m died in the first world war, some 80m in the second world war, plus throw in some deaths from direct consequences of war and you could be up as high as 200m. I had a Russian friend who reckoned that the Russian casualties were severely downplayed, and the figures for Russia alone, citizenry included could show a 100m people population decline. The population of the world is theorised to be around 350m-400m after the black death. So with the reformation starting with Luther in 1517, only a hundred and so years after the black death, and concluding around 1650, I think another population decline of 200m or more would be more talked about. But I'd be interested to learn more if I'm wrong.
 
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