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(Deadline)   World War Z is receiving a lot of press before its June premiere. Unfortunately, it's the same type of press that John Carter of Mars and Battleship got before their premieres; in short, this movie is destined to be 2013's biggest bomb   (deadline.com) divider line 21
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2013-05-13 12:46:35 AM
4 votes:
Perhaps now they can make the book into a movie
2013-05-13 03:51:54 AM
3 votes:
Battleship was farking awesome.   It didn't spend more than two minutes on the whole "romantic character development" angle, giving us enough for this...

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and this...

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And then spent the remaining 98% of the movie on "shoot the aliens in the face with the 5" gun" awesome sauce.

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That movie delivered, and you're a terrorist hugger if you disagree.

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2013-05-13 03:15:04 AM
3 votes:
HA HA!

I knew zombies were completely ruined today when I saw an urban gangbanger, pants hanging around his knees, with a pin that said "I have a zombie survival plan."

Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.

Another clue that it's over: Sporting goods stores sell a variety of gear marketed to the new crop of lower-I.Q. zombie fans; Targets, bullets, survival gear, etc.. The fans now are frat boys, rednecks, gangbangers, and conspiracy nuts who think it  just might happen (or wish it would).

I think these days, the message and meaning of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead would go right over the heads of the bulk of new zombie fans who were turned on to the genre by the Zombie Survival Guide and WWZ... And it's not like Romero was subtle, either.

So for those keeping score, here's the list of classic monsters that have been destroyed by Hollywood and exploitative writers who "reinvented" them:

Vampires
Zombies/Ghouls
Ghosts
Werewolves
Golems (specifically flesh golems, i.e. Frankenstein's monster)
Slashers/psychos
Aliens (especially greys and body snatchers)
Mummies
Robots
Witches
Trolls/Goblins
Shapeshifters
Dinosaurs

Really, all that's left are amorphous blobs, giant insects, dragons, kaiju (although Hollywood almost ruined them), and mermen/gill men. I think demons and devils are still usable, too, but angels as monsters is overdone.

I suppose Hollywood could start working on movies about chimeras, cockatrice, baba yaga, and various elementals.

I'd love to see someone breathe life (haha) into the zombie genre, but at this point nobody's doing anything  smart. It's all the same gory survivalist shiat that uses the basic idea of undead humans, but misses the opportunity to position them as the force of nature/backdrop that brings out man's worst urges. Instead, they  glorify the idea that the end of the world is awesome because all your survival plans will be put to use.

The Walking Dead tries to keep the focus on the people, but too many mouth-breathing viewers get all pissy if they don't have a bunch of zombie kills every episode. How long before the show just becomes an endless stream of shallow zombie-gore and "fortify the encampment" scenes because the new breed of zombie fans don't like all that talking and drama?

Sigh. I'm cranky about this, and I'm certain it all goes back to the Zombie Survival Guide. By releasing that book, Max Brooks opened zombies to a whole new audience that didn't give a shiat about subtlety or subtext. Just like Anne Rice turned vampires into pretty fops, and the plethora of crappy ghost hunting shows turned ghosts into dumbed down jump-scare startlethons.

F♥ck it. The old movies are still around. I'll go watch something made before 1990, or re-read I Am Legend again.
2013-05-13 06:42:45 AM
2 votes:
John Carter was a GREAT movie. Just had some of the worst marketing I've ever seen...
2013-05-13 02:10:25 AM
2 votes:
WWZ the book is told as a series of interviews with survivors from a great zombie infestation. These survivors come from all around the world, and shows that Max Brooks really took a long look at the geopolitical ramifications of a large-scale outbreak.
WWZ  the movie seems to be "Brad Pitt's 'Murrican Zombie Mowdown" co-starring a bunch of computer-generated zombies.

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Beside that, zombies are boring. We're into this string now.
2013-05-13 12:55:06 AM
2 votes:
fta It would just be nice to see a little more understanding among the media and Wall Street analysts, to recognize that just because a film has problems during the process of production, that doesn't mean it's doomed.

In the future, you may also want to consider the opinions of your potential audience.
2013-05-13 02:13:26 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: The moment Damon Lindelof is called in to fix the script, it's doomed.


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2013-05-13 01:39:38 PM
1 votes:

manimal2878: devildog123: verbaltoxin: bborchar: Maybe I'm alone, but I hated the book.  Basically, EVERYONE in that story is too stupid or oblivious to the obvious, and no one is smart enough to take care of it from the start.  Then, when it's a problem, people are STILL stupid and don't do the easy and OBVIOUS things to get rid of the zombies.

Sorry, can't stand continuing stupidity.

For me it's the fact that the author doesn't seem to understand how 5,000 lb bombs, depleted uranium shells, or Hellfire missiles work. There's nothing left to get up when you strike zombies with those. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in a few hours, with the humans winning.

There are plenty of other good parts in the book, though.

Yeah, it isn't like the zombies use tactics or take cover, they're an Air Force pilot's wet dream.  A few FAEs or some white phosphorus would have absolutely destroyed them.  The book made a point of saying that the bodies kept decaying, and could be damaged.  I don't care how little pain they feel, all the skin and muscle burned off the bodies, or every bone smashed to bits means that the zombies won't be moving anywhere.  The Battle of Yonkers would have consisted of the Air Force dropping a shiat ton of ordinance, some arty units firing off their M777s, and then the grunts getting up in a line and walking through the mass of wrecked zombies, putting a round into every head they could find.

I think you, and many people who point out things like the above, seem to forget is that the failure wasn't one of military might in that battle, it was one of the soldiers and military industrial complex being so arrogant about how extremely easy it was going to be, they could have easily annihilated the zombie hoard, had they planned to just do so, but instead it was set up as a media circus that went wrong, and new technology was implemented in disastrous ways just to show it off that ended up causing panic and such.  The point isn't that the Zombies were invincibl ...


Well, that and also because of the sheer numbers. The zombies are a menace not because of their inherent individual abilities, but sheer weight of numbers and relentlesness.The military planners also misunderstood the nature of the enemy as well. Several factors combined are why the Battle of Yonkers went badly, and I thought Brooks was pretty explicit about that.

If the military folks had more properly understood the threat they faced, they could have won it. Instead they were relying on different tactics and tools then they should have been, and because they underestimated the threat they didn't try to fall back on contingencies until it was too late. They ended up attracting millions of zombies (remember how dense the population of that area is!) into a huge, neverending wave approaching them from any direction possible. They'd annihilate what they thought was a big chunk of them, and sinince they were using big waepons the noise of the calamity ended up attracting zombies from mu further around then they otherwise would have.

Some of those weapons would also slow or mangle the zombies, but not destroy them, as pressure waves which - further out from actual center of the blast - would stop things made of living tissue were not nearly as effective on the dead (I remember Brooks describing how after some of the attacks there would be a bunch of zombies with lungs hanging out of their mouths or limbs missing, but still chugging along the best they could). Some of the weapons also relied on shrapnel, which was only effective if a piece of shrapnel actually penetrated the brain - again, unlike living flesh things.

And then using incendiary weapons backfired too, as fire will destroy the zombie - but not right away. So they ended up making a bunch of zombies still shuffling inexorably onwards but also now on FIRE, which only made them even more dangerous.

All those factors, combined with the massive columns attracted from an unforseen range of area all on to one spot began to look pretty dangerous to the military folksfighting them. Then once a few had slowly made their way closer folks were panicking on the future combat systems network, which served to panic and demoralize the rest, breaking down discipline and further weakening the military response.

It wasn't because of any one thing, it was because of ALL those factors all together. If even one of them had been accounted for then they would have had a much better chance. Sounded pretty reasonably realistic to me. Although, considering how many young folks in the military love zombie stories (many thanks to WWZ, I'm sure) I'm guessing if you wrote it today you might want to assume they'd be better prepared to meet the threat more effectively!
2013-05-13 01:33:23 PM
1 votes:
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2013-05-13 11:52:20 AM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: I think these days, the message and meaning of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead would go right over the heads of the bulk of new zombie fans who were turned on to the genre by the Zombie Survival Guide and WWZ... And it's not like Romero was subtle, either.


I love Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead.  But judging by Romeros recent Dead movies, I am basically at the point of thinking any commentary and social meaning were accidental.
2013-05-13 09:50:59 AM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: doglover: Better than any Transformers flick.

Stepping barefoot on warm dog shiat is better than any Transformers movie.


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You shut your whore mouth!
2013-05-13 09:36:30 AM
1 votes:

verbaltoxin: bborchar: Maybe I'm alone, but I hated the book.  Basically, EVERYONE in that story is too stupid or oblivious to the obvious, and no one is smart enough to take care of it from the start.  Then, when it's a problem, people are STILL stupid and don't do the easy and OBVIOUS things to get rid of the zombies.

Sorry, can't stand continuing stupidity.

For me it's the fact that the author doesn't seem to understand how 5,000 lb bombs, depleted uranium shells, or Hellfire missiles work. There's nothing left to get up when you strike zombies with those. The Battle of Yonkers would've been over in a few hours, with the humans winning.

There are plenty of other good parts in the book, though.


Yeah, it isn't like the zombies use tactics or take cover, they're an Air Force pilot's wet dream.  A few FAEs or some white phosphorus would have absolutely destroyed them.  The book made a point of saying that the bodies kept decaying, and could be damaged.  I don't care how little pain they feel, all the skin and muscle burned off the bodies, or every bone smashed to bits means that the zombies won't be moving anywhere.  The Battle of Yonkers would have consisted of the Air Force dropping a shiat ton of ordinance, some arty units firing off their M777s, and then the grunts getting up in a line and walking through the mass of wrecked zombies, putting a round into every head they could find.
2013-05-13 08:33:09 AM
1 votes:
I liked John Carter and Battleship.  The former gets a bad wrap, the latter was clearly the equivalent of junk food but a little of that is ok now and then.
2013-05-13 05:12:30 AM
1 votes:

Ishkur: ZeroCorpse: Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.

What social commentary and allegory?!

The appeal of zombie movies have ALWAYS revolved around Tower Defense-style survival plans. They've never not been about the fantasy of taking out as many mooks as possible before they overwhelm you.



Night of The Living Dead had an underlying theme of race relations, as it was one of the first horror movies where the hero was black, and he still died.

Dawn of The Dead had social commentary of the growing mass consumerism of America. The zombies were always in that mall, even before the ones that ate people's brains started showing up. Land of the Dead critiqued corporatism as the elite thought the walls would always protect them from the riffraff. Until the zombies showed up.

At least in the Romero films, there was always some kind of social commentary.
2013-05-13 04:59:10 AM
1 votes:
World War Z is going to kill big budget zombie films for the next decade at the very least. On one hand that makes me sad, on the other even as a Zombie fan they sorta need a break.

There is just so much about this movie they seemed to have changed just for the sake of changing. The fast zombie, the 12 seconds to becoming a zombie, the fact it takes place over 2 days rather than a decade.

If they had just stuck with Todd Wainio's story from the book, mention what else is going on in the world through the movie (i.e. a radio mentions the Air Force chick being rescued from the swamp, or a paper blows by with a head line about African rabies) it would have been a great adaptation. Use some external media, maybe an AR site to explore some of the other stories of WWZ, I don't know.

It's just so much wasted potential in favor of Brad Pitt masturbating over himself and Lindelof ruining something that could have been great, once again.
2013-05-13 04:27:11 AM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.


What social commentary and allegory?!

The appeal of zombie movies have ALWAYS revolved around Tower Defense-style survival plans. They've never not been about the fantasy of taking out as many mooks as possible before they overwhelm you.
2013-05-13 03:00:24 AM
1 votes:

doglover: ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.

Better than any Transformers flick.


I'd rather catch crabs than AIDS, but it doesn't mean I'd enjoy it.
2013-05-13 02:05:39 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Better than any Transformers flick.


Stepping barefoot on warm dog shiat is better than any Transformers movie.
2013-05-13 01:59:01 AM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.


Better than any Transformers flick.
2013-05-13 01:55:45 AM
1 votes:
More like World War Zzzz, am I right!?
2013-05-13 01:03:57 AM
1 votes:
Thing is, I enjoyed both of those.  They weren't great cinematic masterpieces, but they were fun popcorn flicks.  I also liked other bombs, like Howard the Duck, Ishtar and Waterworld, but I guess that just makes me weird.
 
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