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(Deadline)   World War Z is receiving a lot of press before its June premiere. Unfortunately, it's the same type of press that John Carter of Mars and Battleship got before their premieres; in short, this movie is destined to be 2013's biggest bomb   (deadline.com) divider line 166
    More: Obvious, World War Z, battleships, Christopher McQuarrie, Marc Forster, Rob Moore, J. Michael Straczynski, Brad Grey, GK Films  
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2013-05-13 08:34:41 PM

stoli n coke: Geotpf: Freakin Rican: Supes: ha-ha-guy: Freakin Rican: only a 75 min movie? are we sure about that? 200 million on 75 mins?
come on! at least a 120 min movie.

That's the really bad sign, because with 200 million they have to have more then 75 minutes of footage, so mass amounts must have ended up on the cutting room floor.  If they can't string together more than 75 minutes, it means shooting likely did not go well.

Is there a source for this? I can't believe the movie is only 75 minutes. I heard the reshoots added like 35-40 minutes to the movie, and that would make it half the film.

I expect the film to be 2+ hours.

i tried looking online and found nothing. kinda dissapointing

I'm sure there isn't a confirmed length of the movie yet, as there probably isn't a final cut yet.  I'll bet 2+ hours too, though.

It's already got a rating, so the final theatrical cut of the movie is finished. I don't think the 75 minute runtime includes credits, so it's probably clocking in at barely an hour and a half. However, with commercials and previews, you're still looking at 2 hours in the theater.

Plus, I'd wager a lot had to be cut out to get a PG-13, so it's a safe bet that the director's cut Blu-ray with 20 extra minutes will be coming down the pike.


I keep trying to find the article that quoted the 75 minute runtime.  I do keep seeing articles where the initial rough cut of the movie clocked in at 52 minutes.  So even with the reshoots that added on another 30-40 minutes, it's just barely coming in at a hour and a half.  For a 200 million dollar movie.  And surprisingly enough, this isn't going to be the first time Forster's helmed a movie like that.  This go-around, though, I don't believe he's going to have the benefit of a writer's strike to cushion the impact.
 
2013-05-13 08:37:08 PM
OK, Fark tossed out the Bloody Disgusting link, so here's another article about WWZ's rough cut:

Clicky
 
2013-05-13 10:00:00 PM

ZeroCorpse: HA HA!

I knew zombies were completely ruined today when I saw an urban gangbanger, pants hanging around his knees, with a pin that said "I have a zombie survival plan."

Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.

Another clue that it's over: Sporting goods stores sell a variety of gear marketed to the new crop of lower-I.Q. zombie fans; Targets, bullets, survival gear, etc.. The fans now are frat boys, rednecks, gangbangers, and conspiracy nuts who think it  just might happen (or wish it would).

I think these days, the message and meaning of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead would go right over the heads of the bulk of new zombie fans who were turned on to the genre by the Zombie Survival Guide and WWZ... And it's not like Romero was subtle, either.

So for those keeping score, here's the list of classic monsters that have been destroyed by Hollywood and exploitative writers who "reinvented" them:

Vampires
Zombies/Ghouls
Ghosts
Werewolves
Golems (specifically flesh golems, i.e. Frankenstein's monster)
Slashers/psychos
Aliens (especially greys and body snatchers)
Mummies
Robots
Witches
Trolls/Goblins
Shapeshifters
Dinosaurs

Really, all that's left are amorphous blobs, giant insects, dragons, kaiju (although Hollywood almost ruined them), and mermen/gill men. I think demons and devils are still usable, too, but angels as monsters is overdone.

I suppose Hollywood could start working on movies about chimeras, cockatrice, baba yaga, and various elementals.

I'd love to see someone breathe life (haha) into the zombie genre, but at this point nobody's doing anything  smart. It's all the same gory survivalist shiat that uses the basic idea of undead humans, but misses the opportunity to position them as the force of nature/backdrop that brings out man's worst urges. Instead, they  glorify the idea that the end of the world is awesome because all your survival plans will be put to use.

The Walking Dead tries to keep the focus on the people, but too many mouth-breathing viewers get all pissy if they don't have a bunch of zombie kills every episode. How long before the show just becomes an endless stream of shallow zombie-gore and "fortify the encampment" scenes because the new breed of zombie fans don't like all that talking and drama?

Sigh. I'm cranky about this, and I'm certain it all goes back to the Zombie Survival Guide. By releasing that book, Max Brooks opened zombies to a whole new audience that didn't give a shiat about subtlety or subtext. Just like Anne Rice turned vampires into pretty fops, and the plethora of crappy ghost hunting shows turned ghosts into dumbed down jump-scare startlethons.

F♥ck it. The old movies are still around. I'll go watch something made before 1990, or re-read I Am Legend again.


Let me geuss, everything seems like shiat to you?

have you considered drinking? Heavily?
 
2013-05-13 10:00:55 PM
This is what I don't understand about normal humans:

There are essentially two types of movies: The kind that attempt to replicate every normal facility of every faucet of being pertaining to everyday life, and then the extraordinary.

The kind of movies where a demon from Hell can appear in real life and shoot other demons. The kind of movie where a farmboy becomes a knight of sorts and joins a rebellion.

Did the SFX people 'disguise' that the Death Star close ups were cannibalized models of battleships? Maybe. But after seeing the movie 20 years after it's release when I was nearly 11, it didn't matter.

Did Disney 'disguise' Mars so it 'didn't look like Utah' or some such crap as I keep reading? Meh I don't know and I don't care. Never been.

It's PULP FARKING FICTION you subhumanoid rectal ticks. It's fiction you take as it appears, not attempt to categorize it as 'what ifs' and 'how could this work' sci-fi crap. "Looper" provided the greatest example of this recently "we could spend time drawing charts and blah blah blah".

I think that's the problem with most of you normal farks these days: You attempt to rationalize a story. You fail. you fail hardcore.

You know what's fake? Opera is fake. Plays are fake. Does that mean they're any less awesome? FARK no. Some of them are freaking fantastic. "Oooh! The Marriage of Figaro didn't have sets that REALLY represented an 17th Century Palace".

Eat my balls you ass goblins.

I don't know of John Carter was representative of the source material, but the movie has inspired me to pick up the books. I'll be checking it out whenever bills are caught up. Was it 'epic'? I don't farking know. It was the story of an anti-hero who said "fark the world, fark you, fark your ideology and shove it up your asshole' while living for himself. There was a decent character arc, there *was* the Disney silliness but it didn't outweigh the slightly "Outlaw Josey Wales" bit, as well as the early sci-fi of the 20th century aspect of it. It looked good, it was acted out with decent drama, and it was fun for what it was: not groundbreaking, not entirely original as it was an early story from where many people draw fiction from (farking Superman copied John Carter, so it's hard to ignore that stigma) but it doesn't mean it was shiat.

The only conclusion I can come to is that those who said 'meh' and the like lack imagination. With movies, so many of you simpleton farks what 'so realistic you can't tell it from the CGI' or 'that's not what would happen if a guy could leap 40 meters in the air and land even with dense bones'.

Eat my cock meat. Grow an imagination, and for the love of Cthulhu, stop talking about movies. Without any sort of perspective you sound like a politician talking about shiat he has no business discussing.

of course that applies to the majority of the people on Fark discussing politics as well, but for now, let's stick to fiction, something of which most people can only grasp in a specific, time based manner.

Farking fleshy carbon sacks.
 
2013-05-13 10:47:47 PM

Lunchlady: manimal2878: mongbiohazard: It wasn't because of any one thing, it was because of ALL those factors all together. If even one of them had been accounted for then they would have had a much better chance. Sounded pretty reasonably realistic to me. Although, considering how many young folks in the military love zombie stories (many thanks to WWZ, I'm sure) I'm guessing if you wrote it today you might want to assume they'd be better prepared to meet the threat more effectively!

Don't forget the part where they had the guys in  clumsy chemical and biological hazmat suits when  that was pointless, but they wanted the guys to wear them because it looked good on camera.  And then the part where panic spread because they used a new and untested com link system that was suppossed to increase battle field communication, but instead allowed one dudes misunderstanding of the situation to create mass panic that spread through all the troops.

Two things about World War Z.

Firstly, it clearly was in a slightly different world than our own based on history and ideology so some of what we expect can be reasonably different.

Secondly the whole zombie apocalypse scenario is complete bullshiat. Everyone now knows what a zombie is and how to deal with them. There's no way a zombie outbreak gets beyond the few dozen stage before people figure out what's going on and put a stop to it. Especially with the prevalence of the internet; FARK or Reddit would figure things out pretty damn quick.


For sure it is fark the day

reddit sucks the fat one
 
2013-05-13 10:48:13 PM

Capo Del Bandito: This is what I don't understand about normal humans:

There are essentially two types of movies: The kind that attempt to replicate every normal facility of every faucet of being pertaining to everyday life, and then the extraordinary.

The kind of movies where a demon from Hell can appear in real life and shoot other demons. The kind of movie where a farmboy becomes a knight of sorts and joins a rebellion.

Did the SFX people 'disguise' that the Death Star close ups were cannibalized models of battleships? Maybe. But after seeing the movie 20 years after it's release when I was nearly 11, it didn't matter.

Did Disney 'disguise' Mars so it 'didn't look like Utah' or some such crap as I keep reading? Meh I don't know and I don't care. Never been.

It's PULP FARKING FICTION you subhumanoid rectal ticks. It's fiction you take as it appears, not attempt to categorize it as 'what ifs' and 'how could this work' sci-fi crap. "Looper" provided the greatest example of this recently "we could spend time drawing charts and blah blah blah".

I think that's the problem with most of you normal farks these days: You attempt to rationalize a story. You fail. you fail hardcore.

You know what's fake? Opera is fake. Plays are fake. Does that mean they're any less awesome? FARK no. Some of them are freaking fantastic. "Oooh! The Marriage of Figaro didn't have sets that REALLY represented an 17th Century Palace".

Eat my balls you ass goblins.

I don't know of John Carter was representative of the source material, but the movie has inspired me to pick up the books. I'll be checking it out whenever bills are caught up. Was it 'epic'? I don't farking know. It was the story of an anti-hero who said "fark the world, fark you, fark your ideology and shove it up your asshole' while living for himself. There was a decent character arc, there *was* the Disney silliness but it didn't outweigh the slightly "Outlaw Josey Wales" bit, as well as the early sci-fi of the 20th century aspect of it. I ...


No, Brad Pitt, it's none of that. We just don't want to see fast, hivemind zombies. It really is that simple.
 
2013-05-13 10:50:05 PM

IrateShadow: When the first trailers came out, people were making jokes that the movie was going to be about the world's wildest orgy.  I'm still kind of hoping that will turn out to be true.


Chuckled at that - especially remembering the trailers...
 
2013-05-13 10:55:28 PM

Owangotang: The best sci-fi movie I have ever seen was District 9. The movie took relative unknown actors and inserted them into a story that, while retreading familiar themes (apartheid and aliens, most notably), created something new.

The movie I am most looking forward to seeing this summer is Pacific Rim, another sci-fi movie containing familiar themes (giant robots, monsters from the sea, apocalypse averted) yet doing so in a new, engaging way. The cast contains familiar actors but no mega A-listers.

Give us more of this. Interesting stories that do not rely on Brad Pitt to carry the film. The themes can be retreads, hell EVERYTHING is a retread, just do so in a way that makes us WANT to see it.

That last sentence is key, because NO ONE wants to see swarming, fast, hivemind zombies.


I agree with your sentiment, although Pacific Rim isn't the example I'd use - it looks like a fun popcorn movie, but watching giant robots clearly breaking the laws of physics in the trailer also carries with it a certain amount of derision, too. It's live-action manga - SF fantasy, yes, but not hard SF.

I want to see hard SF with unknown actors, in which the story, not the flashy name of the actor or the strident claims of the movie's budget, is the feature. Retread a good story - there's an entire friggin' catalog of hard SF from both seminal and unknown authors that's been untouched. Stop selling the rights to big companies, only to watch them piss all over the story to crank out a friggin' TV miniseries that no one will watch, but that will sell enough advertising to break even.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:13 PM

Owangotang: Capo Del Bandito: This is what I don't understand about normal humans:

There are essentially two types of movies: The kind that attempt to replicate every normal facility of every faucet of being pertaining to everyday life, and then the extraordinary.

The kind of movies where a demon from Hell can appear in real life and shoot other demons. The kind of movie where a farmboy becomes a knight of sorts and joins a rebellion.

Did the SFX people 'disguise' that the Death Star close ups were cannibalized models of battleships? Maybe. But after seeing the movie 20 years after it's release when I was nearly 11, it didn't matter.

Did Disney 'disguise' Mars so it 'didn't look like Utah' or some such crap as I keep reading? Meh I don't know and I don't care. Never been.

It's PULP FARKING FICTION you subhumanoid rectal ticks. It's fiction you take as it appears, not attempt to categorize it as 'what ifs' and 'how could this work' sci-fi crap. "Looper" provided the greatest example of this recently "we could spend time drawing charts and blah blah blah".

I think that's the problem with most of you normal farks these days: You attempt to rationalize a story. You fail. you fail hardcore.

You know what's fake? Opera is fake. Plays are fake. Does that mean they're any less awesome? FARK no. Some of them are freaking fantastic. "Oooh! The Marriage of Figaro didn't have sets that REALLY represented an 17th Century Palace".

Eat my balls you ass goblins.

I don't know of John Carter was representative of the source material, but the movie has inspired me to pick up the books. I'll be checking it out whenever bills are caught up. Was it 'epic'? I don't farking know. It was the story of an anti-hero who said "fark the world, fark you, fark your ideology and shove it up your asshole' while living for himself. There was a decent character arc, there *was* the Disney silliness but it didn't outweigh the slightly "Outlaw Josey Wales" bit, as well as the early sci-fi of the 20th centu ...


Where are you getting this "hivemind" stuff from?
 
2013-05-14 12:00:57 AM

Capo Del Bandito: This is what I don't understand about normal humans:

There are essentially two types of movies: The kind that attempt to replicate every normal facility of every faucet of being pertaining to everyday life, and then the extraordinary.

The kind of movies where a demon from Hell can appear in real life and shoot other demons. The kind of movie where a farmboy becomes a knight of sorts and joins a rebellion.

Did the SFX people 'disguise' that the Death Star close ups were cannibalized models of battleships? Maybe. But after seeing the movie 20 years after it's release when I was nearly 11, it didn't matter.

Did Disney 'disguise' Mars so it 'didn't look like Utah' or some such crap as I keep reading? Meh I don't know and I don't care. Never been.

It's PULP FARKING FICTION you subhumanoid rectal ticks. It's fiction you take as it appears, not attempt to categorize it as 'what ifs' and 'how could this work' sci-fi crap. "Looper" provided the greatest example of this recently "we could spend time drawing charts and blah blah blah".

I think that's the problem with most of you normal farks these days: You attempt to rationalize a story. You fail. you fail hardcore.

You know what's fake? Opera is fake. Plays are fake. Does that mean they're any less awesome? FARK no. Some of them are freaking fantastic. "Oooh! The Marriage of Figaro didn't have sets that REALLY represented an 17th Century Palace".

Eat my balls you ass goblins.

I don't know of John Carter was representative of the source material, but the movie has inspired me to pick up the books. I'll be checking it out whenever bills are caught up. Was it 'epic'? I don't farking know. It was the story of an anti-hero who said "fark the world, fark you, fark your ideology and shove it up your asshole' while living for himself. There was a decent character arc, there *was* the Disney silliness but it didn't outweigh the slightly "Outlaw Josey Wales" bit, as well as the early sci-fi of the 20th century aspect of it. I ...


I am only saying this because I care - but there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
 
2013-05-14 04:38:17 AM
John Carter was a hero for another century where you didn't have to be politically correct.
 
2013-05-14 07:42:44 AM

Lunchlady: manimal2878: mongbiohazard: It wasn't because of any one thing, it was because of ALL those factors all together. If even one of them had been accounted for then they would have had a much better chance. Sounded pretty reasonably realistic to me. Although, considering how many young folks in the military love zombie stories (many thanks to WWZ, I'm sure) I'm guessing if you wrote it today you might want to assume they'd be better prepared to meet the threat more effectively!

Don't forget the part where they had the guys in  clumsy chemical and biological hazmat suits when  that was pointless, but they wanted the guys to wear them because it looked good on camera.  And then the part where panic spread because they used a new and untested com link system that was suppossed to increase battle field communication, but instead allowed one dudes misunderstanding of the situation to create mass panic that spread through all the troops.

Two things about World War Z.

Firstly, it clearly was in a slightly different world than our own based on history and ideology so some of what we expect can be reasonably different.

Secondly the whole zombie apocalypse scenario is complete bullshiat. Everyone now knows what a zombie is and how to deal with them. There's no way a zombie outbreak gets beyond the few dozen stage before people figure out what's going on and put a stop to it. Especially with the prevalence of the internet; FARK or Reddit would figure things out pretty damn quick.


 Did you have a point?
 
2013-05-14 10:02:27 AM

FLMountainMan: Fireproof: Did anyone else noticed that the article's author saw an advanced screening and said it was spectacular?

The content of the article is irrelevant.  This thread is for coming in and rehashing the arguments we've used in the last sixteen trashing World War Z threads.


Just like every other FARK movie thread.
 
2013-05-14 10:05:22 AM

manimal2878: Secondly the whole zombie apocalypse scenario is complete bullshiat. Everyone now knows what a zombie is and how to deal with them. There's no way a zombie outbreak gets beyond the few dozen stage before people figure out what's going on and put a stop to it. Especially with the prevalence of the internet; FARK or Reddit would figure things out pretty damn quick.


Actually, in 90% of zombie movies/shows the characters are unfamiliar with zombies, or even the concept of them see:Walking Dead re: "Biters"

Thats what makes the movies work, and arrogant assholes in Internet threads talking about how stupid the characters are cant puit themselves in the mindset of being totally unfamiliar with the concept. Dumbasses;
 
2013-05-14 10:44:58 AM
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Let's leave the bomb reporting to CNN
 
2013-05-14 02:35:34 PM
I made this meme pic earlier today, and since I can't find the O.J. thread anymore in the Sports tab it'll have to do here -

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