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(Deadline)   World War Z is receiving a lot of press before its June premiere. Unfortunately, it's the same type of press that John Carter of Mars and Battleship got before their premieres; in short, this movie is destined to be 2013's biggest bomb   (deadline.com) divider line 166
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2013-05-13 12:46:35 AM
Perhaps now they can make the book into a movie
 
2013-05-13 12:47:05 AM
John Carter was a good movie, given the press. The problem was the title.

World War Z will Duck Hot Bonkey Salls, though.
 
2013-05-13 12:55:06 AM
fta It would just be nice to see a little more understanding among the media and Wall Street analysts, to recognize that just because a film has problems during the process of production, that doesn't mean it's doomed.

In the future, you may also want to consider the opinions of your potential audience.
 
2013-05-13 01:03:57 AM
Thing is, I enjoyed both of those.  They weren't great cinematic masterpieces, but they were fun popcorn flicks.  I also liked other bombs, like Howard the Duck, Ishtar and Waterworld, but I guess that just makes me weird.
 
2013-05-13 01:20:17 AM

Notabunny: fta It would just be nice to see a little more understanding among the media and Wall Street analysts, to recognize that just because a film has problems during the process of production, that doesn't mean it's doomed.

In the future, you may also want to consider the opinions of your potential audience.


The moment Damon Lindelof is called in to fix the script, it's doomed.
 
2013-05-13 01:25:25 AM

doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.


No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.
 
2013-05-13 01:28:13 AM

ShawnDoc: No, no it wasn't. It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.
I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass. I was wrong, they were right.


I agree. I watched it for the first time a couple of nights ago. I got halfway though, said "meh", and turned it off.
 
2013-05-13 01:32:45 AM
I figured something was up when I saw the trailers full of zombies sprinting over things like a colony of caffeine fueled ants.

Meh, I'll go see it anyway. My expectations won't be sky high, but that doesn't mean I won't be entertained.
 
2013-05-13 01:42:34 AM

Mentat: The moment Damon Lindelof is called in to fix the script, it's doomed.


I'm curious, how did he got from writing a few TV episodes to being given so many high profile scripts?

Cowboys vs Aliens - Big budget flop, that should have been good.
Prometheus - I don't think this flopped at the box office, but almost all the hate is directed at the script and how dumb the characters were.

And yet somehow he gets:
Star Trek Into Darkness (Huge budget/hype movie)
World War Z (Which looks like its going to be a huge flop)
Tomorrowland (Which is going to be a high budget Disney film starring Clooney)
 
2013-05-13 01:55:45 AM
More like World War Zzzz, am I right!?
 
2013-05-13 01:59:01 AM

ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.


Better than any Transformers flick.
 
2013-05-13 02:02:42 AM

ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.


An alien dog that looked like a penis with legs.

I saw it on Starz, and it was a bit of a mess. They didn't even try to make Mars not look like Utah, and the setup was way too long. Hell, even Bryan Cranston's awesomeness was wasted.
 
2013-05-13 02:05:39 AM

doglover: Better than any Transformers flick.


Stepping barefoot on warm dog shiat is better than any Transformers movie.
 
2013-05-13 02:10:25 AM
WWZ the book is told as a series of interviews with survivors from a great zombie infestation. These survivors come from all around the world, and shows that Max Brooks really took a long look at the geopolitical ramifications of a large-scale outbreak.
WWZ  the movie seems to be "Brad Pitt's 'Murrican Zombie Mowdown" co-starring a bunch of computer-generated zombies.

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Beside that, zombies are boring. We're into this string now.
 
2013-05-13 02:35:59 AM
Still going to wait for actual reviews and, of course, my own viewing.  Production issues and bad press can result in movies like Waterworld and Ishtar.  They can also result in movies like Jaws and Star Wars.  You just can't tell until you see the damn thing for yourself.
 
2013-05-13 02:49:07 AM
So how many hot screenwriters did it take to finish a zombie movie?

Oooh, oooh, give me a minute, I've heard this one before...


www-deadline-com.vimg.net

Enjoy the random screencap from "Shaun of the Dead".

/too bad about Tyres...
 
2013-05-13 02:54:33 AM

karmachameleon: Still going to wait for actual reviews and, of course, my own viewing.  Production issues and bad press can result in movies like Waterworld and Ishtar.  They can also result in movies like Jaws and Star Wars.  You just can't tell until you see the damn thing for yourself.


So basically you're going to be the guinea pig for everyone else? I salute you, you brave soul.
 
2013-05-13 03:00:24 AM

doglover: ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.

Better than any Transformers flick.


I'd rather catch crabs than AIDS, but it doesn't mean I'd enjoy it.
 
2013-05-13 03:03:09 AM

karmachameleon: Still going to wait for actual reviews and, of course, my own viewing.  Production issues and bad press can result in movies like Waterworld and Ishtar.  They can also result in movies like Jaws and Star Wars.  You just can't tell until you see the damn thing for yourself.


That's fine, but this is a reportedly $200,000,000, 75 minute movie. Unless they spent that 200 millon getting the world's hottest actresses together for the greatest lesbian orgy OF ALL TIME...the movie isn't gonna be good.
 
2013-05-13 03:09:40 AM

GreenAdder: Beside that, zombies are boring. We're into this string now.


TINFINS!
 
2013-05-13 03:15:04 AM
HA HA!

I knew zombies were completely ruined today when I saw an urban gangbanger, pants hanging around his knees, with a pin that said "I have a zombie survival plan."

Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.

Another clue that it's over: Sporting goods stores sell a variety of gear marketed to the new crop of lower-I.Q. zombie fans; Targets, bullets, survival gear, etc.. The fans now are frat boys, rednecks, gangbangers, and conspiracy nuts who think it  just might happen (or wish it would).

I think these days, the message and meaning of the original Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead would go right over the heads of the bulk of new zombie fans who were turned on to the genre by the Zombie Survival Guide and WWZ... And it's not like Romero was subtle, either.

So for those keeping score, here's the list of classic monsters that have been destroyed by Hollywood and exploitative writers who "reinvented" them:

Vampires
Zombies/Ghouls
Ghosts
Werewolves
Golems (specifically flesh golems, i.e. Frankenstein's monster)
Slashers/psychos
Aliens (especially greys and body snatchers)
Mummies
Robots
Witches
Trolls/Goblins
Shapeshifters
Dinosaurs

Really, all that's left are amorphous blobs, giant insects, dragons, kaiju (although Hollywood almost ruined them), and mermen/gill men. I think demons and devils are still usable, too, but angels as monsters is overdone.

I suppose Hollywood could start working on movies about chimeras, cockatrice, baba yaga, and various elementals.

I'd love to see someone breathe life (haha) into the zombie genre, but at this point nobody's doing anything  smart. It's all the same gory survivalist shiat that uses the basic idea of undead humans, but misses the opportunity to position them as the force of nature/backdrop that brings out man's worst urges. Instead, they  glorify the idea that the end of the world is awesome because all your survival plans will be put to use.

The Walking Dead tries to keep the focus on the people, but too many mouth-breathing viewers get all pissy if they don't have a bunch of zombie kills every episode. How long before the show just becomes an endless stream of shallow zombie-gore and "fortify the encampment" scenes because the new breed of zombie fans don't like all that talking and drama?

Sigh. I'm cranky about this, and I'm certain it all goes back to the Zombie Survival Guide. By releasing that book, Max Brooks opened zombies to a whole new audience that didn't give a shiat about subtlety or subtext. Just like Anne Rice turned vampires into pretty fops, and the plethora of crappy ghost hunting shows turned ghosts into dumbed down jump-scare startlethons.

F♥ck it. The old movies are still around. I'll go watch something made before 1990, or re-read I Am Legend again.
 
2013-05-13 03:17:58 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: GreenAdder: Beside that, zombies are boring. We're into this string now.

TINFINS!


Don't mess with Grizzlebees.

ZeroCorpse: I suppose Hollywood could start working on movies about chimeras, cockatrice, baba yaga, and various elementals.


I really think the next big trend will be Lovecraftian horrors. The groundwork has already been laid for that. And, of course, they'll eventually just be turned into squishy generic baddies with tentacles and fins - bullet targets for the wisecracking protagonist. Just like zombies.
 
2013-05-13 03:28:05 AM

Clutch2013: karmachameleon: Still going to wait for actual reviews and, of course, my own viewing.  Production issues and bad press can result in movies like Waterworld and Ishtar.  They can also result in movies like Jaws and Star Wars.  You just can't tell until you see the damn thing for yourself.

That's fine, but this is a reportedly $200,000,000, 75 minute movie. Unless they spent that 200 millon getting the world's hottest actresses together for the greatest lesbian orgy OF ALL TIME...the movie isn't gonna be good.



Sounds weird, but the 75 minute runtime may help. They can squeeze in an extra showing per screen and sell a few more tickets opening weekend before the reviews come in.

Personally, I'll wait for it on Bluray or on demand. I can't see a point in shelling out 12 bucks a ticket for a 3D Walking Dead episode with about ten extra minutes.
 
2013-05-13 03:47:06 AM

ZeroCorpse: I'd love to see someone breathe life (haha) into the zombie genre, but at this point nobody's doing anything smart. It's

...

Really? Hollywood and smart. Together?

It's become the biggest oxymoron in the history of oxymorons.

/oxymoron.
 
2013-05-13 03:48:36 AM
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2013-05-13 03:51:54 AM
Battleship was farking awesome.   It didn't spend more than two minutes on the whole "romantic character development" angle, giving us enough for this...

patpoh.fooyoh.com

and this...

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And then spent the remaining 98% of the movie on "shoot the aliens in the face with the 5" gun" awesome sauce.

geektyrant.com

That movie delivered, and you're a terrorist hugger if you disagree.

image.blingee.com
 
2013-05-13 04:08:13 AM

ShawnDoc: Mentat: The moment Damon Lindelof is called in to fix the script, it's doomed.

I'm curious, how did he got from writing a few TV episodes to being given so many high profile scripts?

Cowboys vs Aliens - Big budget flop, that should have been good.
Prometheus - I don't think this flopped at the box office, but almost all the hate is directed at the script and how dumb the characters were.

And yet somehow he gets:
Star Trek Into Darkness (Huge budget/hype movie)
World War Z (Which looks like its going to be a huge flop)
Tomorrowland (Which is going to be a high budget Disney film starring Clooney)


"I need some characters to get lost in the alien structure, to show how dangerous the situation is.  I know, I'll pick the two guys with the mapping computer and the scanning drones."
 
2013-05-13 04:19:56 AM
So farking bored of zombies I'd rather watch the House try to pass a binding resolution on chicklets.
 
2013-05-13 04:21:35 AM

Notabunny: fta It would just be nice to see a little more understanding among the media and Wall Street analysts, to recognize that just because a film has problems during the process of production, that doesn't mean it's doomed.

In the future, you may also want to consider the opinions of your potential audience.

]

Who gives a f*ck about THEM? It's not like they've got anything to do with our projections or analyses of how good the movie's going to do!
 
2013-05-13 04:22:23 AM

Rent Party: Battleship was farking awesome


Call an ambulance, RentPary is delirious!
 
2013-05-13 04:27:11 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.


What social commentary and allegory?!

The appeal of zombie movies have ALWAYS revolved around Tower Defense-style survival plans. They've never not been about the fantasy of taking out as many mooks as possible before they overwhelm you.
 
2013-05-13 04:47:30 AM

doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press. The problem was the title.

It had bigger problems than the title.

1. The absolute lack of connection between it and the world Edgar Rice Burroughs created.
2. It was all setup for a sequel that will now never happen.
3. The focus group cobbled together ending.
4. The epic lack of epicness, it felt like it happened in one weekend.

If you can ignore all that it's not a terrible way to kill a couple hours, but then again you have a computer, google some porn, except if you're in a public library.. they frown on whipping it out and gumming up the keyboard.

 
2013-05-13 04:57:58 AM

ShawnDoc: doglover: John Carter was a good movie, given the press.

No, no it wasn't.   It was a long drawn out movie about a guy who can jump far and had an alien dog for a pet.

I went into the movie wanting to like it, and thinking the critics just had a bug up their ass.  I was wrong, they were right.


Jump Good was the basis for a pretty good Samurai Jack episode.
 
2013-05-13 04:59:10 AM
World War Z is going to kill big budget zombie films for the next decade at the very least. On one hand that makes me sad, on the other even as a Zombie fan they sorta need a break.

There is just so much about this movie they seemed to have changed just for the sake of changing. The fast zombie, the 12 seconds to becoming a zombie, the fact it takes place over 2 days rather than a decade.

If they had just stuck with Todd Wainio's story from the book, mention what else is going on in the world through the movie (i.e. a radio mentions the Air Force chick being rescued from the swamp, or a paper blows by with a head line about African rabies) it would have been a great adaptation. Use some external media, maybe an AR site to explore some of the other stories of WWZ, I don't know.

It's just so much wasted potential in favor of Brad Pitt masturbating over himself and Lindelof ruining something that could have been great, once again.
 
2013-05-13 04:59:39 AM
This movie is getting bad press because of the god awful CGI, no other reason! It looks extremely bad and no amount of gloss is going to make that "ants crossing a stream" BS leave the public mind any time soon. These is going to be just as shiat awful as I Am Legend, no matter how good the script is. Zombies are just about the easiest damn thing for a special effects artist to do, why would you famr out something so effective for shiatty VFX?
 
2013-05-13 05:03:21 AM

Evi1Bo1weevi1: This movie is getting bad press because of the god awful CGI, no other reason! It looks extremely bad and no amount of gloss is going to make that "ants crossing a stream" BS leave the public mind any time soon. These is going to be just as shiat awful as I Am Legend, no matter how good the script is. Zombies are just about the easiest damn thing for a special effects artist to do, why would you famr out something so effective for shiatty VFX?


The scri
 
2013-05-13 05:04:26 AM

Raw_fishFood: Evi1Bo1weevi1: This movie is getting bad press because of the god awful CGI, no other reason! It looks extremely bad and no amount of gloss is going to make that "ants crossing a stream" BS leave the public mind any time soon. These is going to be just as shiat awful as I Am Legend, no matter how good the script is. Zombies are just about the easiest damn thing for a special effects artist to do, why would you famr out something so effective for shiatty VFX?

The scri


Pardon, posted that a little prematurely.

Anyways, the script is going to be horrible. There will be nothing redeeming about this movie. Absolutely nothing.
 
2013-05-13 05:08:39 AM

Lith: It had bigger problems than the title.

1. The absolute lack of connection between it and the world Edgar Rice Burroughs created.
2. It was all setup for a sequel that will now never happen.
3. The focus group cobbled together ending.
4. The epic lack of epicness, it felt like it happened in one weekend.


John Carter's powers were inconsistent as all hell. Sometimes he can jump so high, and other times he can leap across entire cities. He's strong enough to waste hordes of enemy combatants Tower Defense-style, yet he keeps getting captured and thrown in prison. If he's that powerful, why does he do anything for anyone? What predicament is too much for him? Simply tell everyone to fark off and bound away. But no, the movie couldn't decide if he was Golden Age Superman, Silver Age Superman, Platinum Age Superman, or just the Hulk.
 
2013-05-13 05:12:30 AM

Ishkur: ZeroCorpse: Yep. All the social commentary and allegory is gone from the zombie genre, and it has been replaced with survivalist ideals, end-of-world fantasies, and "I get to kill people and not feel bad about it" types.

What social commentary and allegory?!

The appeal of zombie movies have ALWAYS revolved around Tower Defense-style survival plans. They've never not been about the fantasy of taking out as many mooks as possible before they overwhelm you.



Night of The Living Dead had an underlying theme of race relations, as it was one of the first horror movies where the hero was black, and he still died.

Dawn of The Dead had social commentary of the growing mass consumerism of America. The zombies were always in that mall, even before the ones that ate people's brains started showing up. Land of the Dead critiqued corporatism as the elite thought the walls would always protect them from the riffraff. Until the zombies showed up.

At least in the Romero films, there was always some kind of social commentary.
 
2013-05-13 05:27:17 AM
John Carter was a fantastic film.  Highly recommend reading to learn about just how big a cluster-eff that marketing campaign was:

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2013-05-13 06:30:35 AM
"Titanic" got a ton of bad buzz before it came out, too. Just saying.
 
2013-05-13 06:37:47 AM

Nabb1: "Titanic" got a ton of bad buzz before it came out, too. Just saying.


That seemed kind of manufactured in the wake of Waterworld.

In every one of Cameron's films since the Abyss, there were 3 constants. 1.The budget would skyrocket, 2. The shoot would take far longer than expected, and 3. Cameron's reputation as one of cinema's biggest assholes would come out and make headlines. No one should have been surprised that Titanic was having issues.

People have been waiting for one of his movies to pull a Heaven's Gate, but so far, it just hasn't happened.
 
2013-05-13 06:42:45 AM
John Carter was a GREAT movie. Just had some of the worst marketing I've ever seen...
 
2013-05-13 06:55:54 AM
Fleeing the Zombies in Africa.
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If only there was a plan ,a guide of some sort...a book to follow.
 
2013-05-13 07:14:58 AM

doglover: Rent Party: Battleship was farking awesome

Call an ambulance, RentPary is delirious!


Could have been popcorn awesome.

/so when do the rights revert back for HBO/Starz/A&E/TLC/FX to do a proper miniseries?
 
2013-05-13 07:15:09 AM

stoli n coke: Nabb1: "Titanic" got a ton of bad buzz before it came out, too. Just saying.

That seemed kind of manufactured in the wake of Waterworld.

In every one of Cameron's films since the Abyss, there were 3 constants. 1.The budget would skyrocket, 2. The shoot would take far longer than expected, and 3. Cameron's reputation as one of cinema's biggest assholes would come out and make headlines. No one should have been surprised that Titanic was having issues.

People have been waiting for one of his movies to pull a Heaven's Gate, but so far, it just hasn't happened.


Avatar II is coming....
 
2013-05-13 07:25:41 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Could have been popcorn awesome.


If it had been a better movie...
 
2013-05-13 07:25:56 AM
Wait, Lindelhof wrote the new Trek movie? There goes any chance of me paying out a single replicator credit to see that crap.
 
2013-05-13 07:46:15 AM

timujin: Thing is, I enjoyed both of those.  They weren't great cinematic masterpieces, but they were fun popcorn flicks.  I also liked other bombs, like Howard the Duck, Ishtar and Waterworld, but I guess that just makes me weird.


Ironman 3 is a fun popcorn filck. Battleship was an insult to the intelligence of every person in the theater.
 
2013-05-13 08:03:24 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: More like World War Zzzz, am I right!?


This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call "low hanging fruit."
 
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