dj_bigbird: A simple explanation of what will happen if the rate for student loans goes down, goes up or stays the same (short answer: students get screwed)
PsyLord: Waah! My school is no longer giving a free ride to their new students. Waah! Seriously, did they really think that the university can sustain that? What utopia do they believe they are living in?
Jument: Ha! I graduated in 93 and paid about $1500 per semester for (arguably) the best engineering school in Canada. Suckers!
Meesterjojo: My school is what happens when you let the dumber college grads run things. MBA's lined up to work for $12/hr shuffling papers, and acting smug. Brilliant.
bunner: PunGent: Buddy of mine just got out of a private sector situation where one of the VPs spent the last two years...and nearly ten million dollars...trashing the old computer system everyone relied on and replacing it with one his pet consultants built from scratch.Naturally, it doesn't work as well, has fewer features and more bugs, and they've had to let people go to pay for it, and work the remaining ones harder to make up for the inefficiency.You know how, like, you'd be sitting in a bar hanging out, listening to the conversations and some guy would say "Well, you know, it's not what you know, it's who you blow"? And you'd chuckle and say, internally. "Well, yeah, but not -really-"? Well, yeah. It is. And fatassed, pigsh*t thick, well connected dullards are regularly rewarded for taking a big fat dump on stuff they don't understand because their cronies made a buck off of it. And until we find a way to start throwing these dolts and their patrons out of the nearest 30th floor window, college is pretty much a piss up a rope, regardless of your degree.
ultraholland: Starting in the fall of 2014, new students with the ability to pay will be billed for half the tuition costs, currently $19,000 per semester. Current students won't be affected.The writing has me confused as to whether this $19K is the full tuition or half; that aside, only students who can afford it will pay.
cheesewheel: Shame on Cooper Union's administration and board the entirety of corporate America and the banking industryfor so grossly mismanaging finances as to run the school economy into the ground, and now making the students people who actually work for a living pay for what they have done.
bunner: Meesterjojo: My school is what happens when you let the dumber college grads run things. MBA's lined up to work for $12/hr shuffling papers, and acting smug. Brilliant.And if you think about it, all but inevitable. Only a dolt would smugly grin at the prospect of a "career" where they get to wear a snappy suit every day and "never have to lift anything heavier than a file storage box full of hard copies or a mouse", and assume they'll never get bored out of their skulls. Guess which end of the bell curve can happily do incredibly numbing, repetitive bullsh*t every day without succumbing to ennui?
quietwalker: Most white collar jobs are like that because they focus on your intellectual skill set
quietwalker: Besides, what's the alternative?
quietwalker: hat's the lower end of the bell curve that doesn't get the choice to pick any other type of job.
quietwalker: Most white collar jobs are like that because they focus on your intellectual skill set instead of your physical capabilities.
puddleonfire: Meanwhile university presidents are retiring with a MILLION A YEAR.Oh and $19K IS a lot, you damn brats./protested $600 increase
cheesewheel: Shame on Cooper Union's administration and board for so grossly mismanaging finances as to run the school into the ground, and now making the students pay for what they have done. Are any of those administrators taking a pay cut? Didn't think so.They have violated Peter Cooper's mission. If they are to charge tuition, then the school needs to be called something else as it is no longer Cooper Union. Where once students were selected based on merit alone, the school will now join the mediocre ranks of any other for-profit institution.
bunner: quietwalker: Most white collar jobs are like that because they focus on your intellectual skill setAnd so far these captains of industry have gotten us.. here? I sort of doubt that Stanford Binet scores are the top shopping metric when checking the teeth on the latest crop of corporate whore wannabes.quietwalker: Besides, what's the alternative?Honesty? Decency? Value for dollar as a goal other than a nuisance to the quarterly P&L?quietwalker: That's the lower end of the bell curve that doesn't get the choice to pick any other type of job.PhDs with spatulas are prolix. It may be a comfort to assure oneself that you have the GOOD treadmill cause "I'm one of the smart ones!", but the state of the con speaks to other qualities being necessary to skin whatever cat they are handed. I'd like to say that the debt Ponzi fandango is *tee hee* better than working for a living", but it isn't. The false dichotomy between "works with his hands / works with his brain" is nothing more and it's losing traction in the face of stellar GPAs and 300k degrees selling stereos.
bunner: quietwalker: Most white collar jobs are like that because they focus on your intellectual skill set instead of your physical capabilities.And in case you're interested - and from your rather long and mind profile, I assume it's a great interest to you - .7 percentile of everybody who ever sat the Stanford Binet, Accelerated Learning Program in 4th - 6th grades, turning in college level work in college level classes by 6th grade, quit the program because I got tired of self congratulatory, precious snowflake prats braying endlessly about how wonderful it is to be "special" while doing f*ck all of any use with it and dime store pedagogues taking their "stuck teaching in public school" frustrations out on the brats they were charged with . Regrets? I've had a few. But then again, too few to mention. The point? The window dressing and the potential is a lovely little trophy, but if your results suck fat hippo ass, so do you and so do your methods, colloquially speaking. All the ostensibly high minded "people of promise" have, so far, manged to offer the world is nothing more than new and more gymnastic methods of sucking money's dick. Oddly, I find this to be vastly unimpressive.
quietwalker: I'm not quite able to parse everything you typed, it seems like some sort of political activist-buzzword?
quietwalker: Perhaps your reasoning is based primarily on bias and anecdotal evidence? You apparently have your own axe to grind on the subject and your emotional involvement may be resulting in the above incoherent ... message? .... and lack of focus or rational points.
quietwalker: Perhaps your reasoning is based primarily on bias and anecdotal evidence?
dj_bigbird: thamike: dj_bigbird: It's cute how the students think college is about them.What does this even mean?It means that colleges don't really exist to educate students anymore. That their goals are irrelevant. What counts at college is the number of admins, professors, bigger budgets, more buildings, more benefits for the staff, sports (to raise revenue) etc. etc. The students are just the conduit of money from the federal government (student loans, grants) to the college. The students are then saddled with inescapable debt. Great blog about this mess here: http://edububble.com/dpp/
iheartscotch: I told him that he'd probably end up homeless in Central Park; giving BJs to rich business
ds394: I'm just curious what kind of alternative solution is being proposed by the protesting students.How come all I'm hearing is the sound of crickets?That's what I thought... protestors without an answer.
msbav8r: It's the entitlement culture to which Mitt Romney alluded.
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